HO2
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Posted: 11/7/2009 9:10:27 AM | Can anyone say OneTrack mind, fanatical, pscho.......geesh
Since Msg 4 - I advocated using equipment , some heavier than others  | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 10:26:46 AM | What a surprise, unable to back up your 'results'.
So you advocated using equipment? In other words you changed your mind and did a complete 180 over what I was disagreeing with you about in the first place when you got called out for giving poor advice.
Thank God it seems the thread starter seems to be listening to the people giving out decent advice and not you. I suspect he'll be far happier with his results that way. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 11:42:14 AM | | I'm not big but I'm pretty strong and ripped. But hiking and stuff you can do at home can never compare to a hard gym workout. What h20 speaks of is cardio which is good for burning fat and making your heart and cardiovascular system stronger, but compete crap at building size, increasing metabolism, and making good lean muscles. Squelchmeister right. h02 is.. well, misguided. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 11:52:31 AM | | Koncrete, I hear ya. You should see some of the other crap he says. Enuff to make ya barf. lmfao Cardio helps, diet is still (I feel) 75% of it. The rest is working out and supplements. Protein is the key. The key to success. :) | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 12:00:35 PM | | You can workout all day and have a bad diet or inadequate rest and get nowhere. Diet is just as important as the workout itself. You need both to get anywhere at all. I'm at the opposite end of most, I have difficulty gaining weight due to an ultra-high metabolism from gym weight training. 4,000 cals in a minimum or I will starve. At 160 now, goal is the hit 165 by January. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 12:13:40 PM |
So you advocated using equipment? In other words you changed your mind and did a complete 180 over what I was disagreeing with you about in the first place when you got called out for giving poor advice.
Thank God it seems the thread starter seems to be listening to the people giving out decent advice and not you. I suspect he'll be far happier with his results that way.
You can get into great shape with relatively little equipment - www.rossboxing.com is a great site for achieving just that. Ross trained for a year without any weights to see if bodyweight conditioning would give him the same results as gym workouts and they did.
One can argue that using a jump rope or a sledgehammer is using 'equipment,' but it is not the same as Hammer Strength or Olympic weights.
One arm pushups, pull ups/chin ups, isometric training, plyometric training, jumping squats, one legged squats (which you mentioned), putting a vehicle in neutral and pushing it for time/distance are all excellent non-gym related routines that involve no equipment and produce results.
When Mike Tyson was at the peak of his career, he didn't train with weights. Fedor Emelianenko, the mixed martial arts king - who you may not care for because he doesn't look ripped or shredded - has unbelievable power, explosiveness, quickness - does not work out with weights.
Personally, I'm a fan of mixing things up. Some weights, some bodyweight stuff. Going to the gym year after year lifting weights is boring as hell. I need variety.
Maybe I will go for a hike, with 40 pounds of sand in my back pack....oh weight...Joe Weider trademarked the word 'weight' so it must mean be a gym related movement
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Posted: 11/7/2009 12:25:52 PM | Fedor Emelianenko, the mixed martial arts king - who you may not care for because he doesn't look ripped or shredded - has unbelievable power, explosiveness, quickness - does not work out with weights.
Video right here of Fedor using weights. Fedor weight trains hard like all top MMA artists. Power cleaning 135 for many explosive reps.
http://www.martialfighter.com/mixed-martial-arts-training/simplicity-of-fedor-emelianenko-strength-and-conditioning-training.html
You body will quickly adapt to bodweight training, unless your new to working out. The gym allows you to do weight far greater than your body weight. In main muscle workouts(bench, squat, deadlift, etc) I'm reping much greater than body weight. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 1:17:03 PM |
You can get into great shape with relatively little equipment - www.rossboxing.com is a great site for achieving just that. Ross trained for a year without any weights to see if bodyweight conditioning would give him the same results as gym workouts and they did.
One can argue that using a jump rope or a sledgehammer is using 'equipment,' but it is not the same as Hammer Strength or Olympic weights.
One arm pushups, pull ups/chin ups, isometric training, plyometric training, jumping squats, one legged squats (which you mentioned), putting a vehicle in neutral and pushing it for time/distance are all excellent non-gym related routines that involve no equipment and produce results.
When Mike Tyson was at the peak of his career, he didn't train with weights. Fedor Emelianenko, the mixed martial arts king - who you may not care for because he doesn't look ripped or shredded - has unbelievable power, explosiveness, quickness - does not work out with weights.
Personally, I'm a fan of mixing things up. Some weights, some bodyweight stuff. Going to the gym year after year lifting weights is boring as hell. I need variety.
Maybe I will go for a hike, with 40 pounds of sand in my back pack....oh weight...Joe Weider trademarked the word 'weight' so it must mean be a gym related movement
There are several points I have to make in response to this, in no particular order;
- You mention bodyweight exercises, and I am a huge fan of those (with added weight). Weighted chins, weighted dips, weighted single legged squats, weighted pushups, etc. But whether you use added weight or not, there is still a very arge fundamental difference between those and hiking/walking (which H02 offered as equally effective training methods).... they all involve working against a resistance, whether that resistance is bodyweight only or bodyweight + extra. Not the same as walking.
- I would argue that Ross guy could've got better results by simply adding squats and deadlifts into his routine. I personally love closed chain exercises (+ added load) and would almost always use them instead of the open chain equivalent.... chins instead of lat pulldown, squats instead of leg press, dips instead of dip machine, etc. but you can't replicate a deadlift with only bodyweight and you can't make a squat challenging with only bodyweight, and those two movements alone wil make a drastic difference to strength and body composition. A bodyweight only routine will never be as good for body composition as a routine that makes the best of both worlds.... essentially having a larger 'toolbox' from which to have a greater selection of tools to help you reach your goals more appropriately. For instance, how many people with 20+ inch arms do you think don't do curls? Virtually nobody in the world will have got that way through chins, you need a barbell or dumbbells for that.
- Applied to fat loss, as great as bodyweight circuits are, the movements you can perform are limited and won't stimulate you metabolically as effectively as various types of squats, deadlifts, cleans, etc.
- In conclusion, bodyweight only exercises are somewhat of a compromise or middle ground between H02's ludicrous hiking is as good as weights school of thought and a proper weight training regimen.... you're working against a resistance but after a little while that resistance won't be sufficient to accomplish any large increases in strength or size without external load. It's a damn site better than walking up some stairs though. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 1:20:28 PM |
I'm not big but I'm pretty strong and ripped. But hiking and stuff you can do at home can never compare to a hard gym workout. What h20 speaks of is cardio which is good for burning fat and making your heart and cardiovascular system stronger, but compete crap at building size, increasing metabolism, and making good lean muscles. Squelchmeister right. h02 is.. well, misguided.
There was nothing wrong though with HO2's first post in this thread IMO.
Perhaps a little cross-training mixing inside gym stuff with outside hiking with a full pack,
doing the "circuit" at a local park, jump rope, medicine/kettle/exercise balls, agility stuff.
Some athletes believe working from the inside out; - build the core -; then the bulk | |
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HO2
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Joined: 10/11/2008
Msg: 61 | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 7:01:23 PM | Hey Shurite -- with all the money the military spends on analyzing things;
WHY don't new recruits spend a majority of their initial military time inside the gyms to get in physical shape ?
With over 100 different countries on the planet and 6 Billion or so people on earth
you would think every single initial military recruit around the world ,from day one ;
would do absolutely nothing else, but train inside for peak physical shape the first 12 weeks.
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Glen_Q
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Joined: 11/6/2009
Msg: 62 | |
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Posted: 11/10/2009 2:58:13 AM |
Hey Shurite -- with all the money the military spends on analyzing things; WHY don't new recruits spend a majority of their initial military time inside the gyms to get in physical shape ?
because the intention is get everyone coming out looking the same. that why everyone eats the same amount of food and does the same amount of training. they all where the same uniform, same haircut, it is to encourage a herd thought process, all for one one for all type thing. | |
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Posted: 11/10/2009 5:17:15 AM |
Can anyone say OneTrack mind, fanatical, pscho.......geesh
I can.
HO 2
I think you misread him. He didn't say quadruple chin. | |
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Posted: 11/10/2009 6:26:16 AM | Monday - chest/tris focus - flat barbell bench
Tuesday - legs/calves/abs focus - barbell DEEP heavy squats
wednesday - arms abs
thursday - shoulders/traps/abs/calves focus - shoulder barbell press
friday - back/bis focus- seated row
can fix that around to fit how many days you go.. but that is the workout schedule i have followed and was given by a professional lifter.. seen GREAT results.. and will continue with it until i'm ripped as F|_|CK | |
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Posted: 11/10/2009 7:38:42 AM |
Monday - chest/tris focus - flat barbell bench
Tuesday - legs/calves/abs focus - barbell DEEP heavy squats
wednesday - arms abs
thursday - shoulders/traps/abs/calves focus - shoulder barbell press
friday - back/bis focus- seated row
IMO it's overkill to work the bis and tris more than once a week. Especially when the OP is still a novice. The arms are also getting worked on off days when doing certain chest, shoulder, back exercises. I think only advanced people that are eating high calories should be doing this.
I put more focus on incline bench pressing to get that meatier upper chest. It's helped with the rest of my benching. You don't want to be one dimensional and focus on one main exercise though. Change things up and keep the muscles shocked every workout. Make every one count.
Calves should be worked more than once a week if you really want to see good progress. | |
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Posted: 11/10/2009 7:41:01 AM | hey irish-viking...I couldn't resist throwing my $0.02 in.
Well, I'm assuming that your fitness goal is to get cut/muscle hypertrophy based on your upperbody excercises.
Personally, I think a HUG underestimated area for fitness is doing stuff around the house and yard, like splitting wood/ yardword/home renovations.
I spent my spring & summer re-shingling my roof and taming a couple of acres of overgrown rural property. Some of the more intensive stuff I did was hauling bundles of shingles up a ladder onto a roof (I was only able to haul 1/2 bundle at a time), dragging 20' poplars through waist-high grass to the brush-fire heap.......an although I didn't get the opportunity to split wood with an axe, a friend of mine did, and he has abs like steel.
I know that yard work/home reno isn't for everyone, but I can attest that pounding nails in all day will definitely give you a powerful upperbody (just make sure you take turns alternating your arms)...you can work out in a gym for a couple of months, or you can see the same results quicker by splitting wood for a week.
have a FAB day everyone! | |
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Posted: 11/10/2009 7:56:02 AM |
you can work out in a gym for a couple of months, or you can see the same results quicker by splitting wood for a week.
Splitting wood may be a good workout for the core but it's not going to be as good as quality workouts in a gym for a couple of months. Some of the advice on here is comical.
He needs work done on his entire body. A strong lower body contributes to upper body strength. He needs to just stick to a gym...not go raking leaves and chopping wood. | |
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Posted: 11/10/2009 8:05:02 AM |
IMO it's overkill to work the bis and tris more than once a week. Especially when the OP is still a novice. The arms are also getting worked on off days when doing certain chest, shoulder, back exercises. I think only advanced people that are eating high calories should be doing this.
I put more focus on incline bench pressing to get that meatier upper chest. It's helped with the rest of my benching. You don't want to be one dimensional and focus on one main exercise though. Change things up and keep the muscles shocked every workout. Make every one count.
Calves should be worked more than once a week if you really want to see good progress.
Try hitting muscles every 4 or 5 days if you want to see real progress. Once a week isn't enough.
hey irish-viking...I couldn't resist throwing my $0.02 in.
Well, I'm assuming that your fitness goal is to get cut/muscle hypertrophy based on your upperbody excercises.
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I know that yard work/home reno isn't for everyone, but I can attest that pounding nails in all day will definitely give you a powerful upperbody (just make sure you take turns alternating your arms)...you can work out in a gym for a couple of months, or you can see the same results quicker by splitting wood for a week.
You think pounding nails and splitting wood will cause more growth than squats, deads, chins, bench, rows, dips, etc?
Why do people give advice like this? | |
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Posted: 11/10/2009 8:10:50 AM | i disagree that once a week isn't enough. On my day 1, chest/tris i do flat bench, incline bench, decline bench, cable crossovers for chest.. and i went from 225 to 275 in 2 months..
once a week for major muscle groups is good(back, legs, chest). i put arms in twice a week because they are NOT major muscle groups.
and i don't think she was say that pounding nails replaces deads and squats but is attesting to the benefits of manual labor, alot of my family is involved in a brick laying company, don't work out, some of the strongest people i know. But to get cut and ripped, you need to hit the gym. | |
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Posted: 11/10/2009 8:15:40 AM | my proof of my workout's efficiency
before starting..
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2008/06/01/11082328/progresspic/1341152orig.jpg
now...
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/09/27/11082328/profilepic/12GbLuRUGL2MQ1j2WyisDmVT7WFNIE1896.jpeg | |
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Posted: 11/10/2009 8:25:22 AM | Hitting the muscle groups once a week is enough if you're working them efficiently.
I went from being a bean pole to considerably bigger and lean with a routine of hitting the main muscle groups once a week.
My point was that the OP is new to lifting and shouldn't be trying to do arms twice a week. Down the road it could be possible when his body is stronger and more accustomed to the physical activity of lifting. | |
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Posted: 11/10/2009 8:26:46 AM | yes true, start slow.. but arms really aren't that bad to do alot even for beginners.. my friend (stupidly) used to do bi's everyday when he first started.. his bi's are HUGE!! now.. like not even fair huge.
so its all up to the OP how he wants to do it, every body is different | |
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