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 skoochie

Joined: 4/29/2008
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Posted: 11/7/2009 7:26:50 PM
What's funny is how the Resukitagains need this instant gratification. They have no patience with Obama. He didn't fix it on Jan. 21 , so he failed. They are so full of spite, they will dismiss rationality. They seem to be seriously whipped into a fervor now. They need to turn off their radios and calm down for a while before another OK Citybombing happens.
 imalwayssmiling

Joined: 7/17/2009
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Posted: 11/7/2009 8:36:04 PM

Which "vast majority" are you referring to? Obama's plans for healthcare are about the least popular thing he has proposed. I guess since I can back my "noise" up, I will request you do the same.
Well how odd,I wonder why the health care bill just passed,is that proof that everyone hates it or likes it.Doesn't matter, it passed 220 to 215.
 geeleebee

Joined: 5/26/2008
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Posted: 11/7/2009 8:44:24 PM

Actually that phenomena is not limited to Christians read these forums sometime..there are many who claim other religious beliefs or none at all that presume the right to tell others how to live their lives and know how to judge and condemn...

I have yet to read anything on these boards about the United States being a Muslim Nation, a Buddhist Nation, or a Jewish Nation.
Instead, on more than a few occasions, I've read various posters making the claim that this country is a Christian Nation.
Which, of course, it is not.
 SAguy_06

Joined: 10/8/2009
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Posted: 11/8/2009 5:07:19 AM
When did we start to believe in painless Hard Times...I guess we got use to Wars with no day to day sacrafice or involement, now we want our tough time to be painless.

We were told that we were in a recession, nearing a depression. The economic numbers were going to be almost as bad a the Great Depression. Yet we complain about the things of recessions; loss of jobs, tightening of the money supply, ect.

Are we measuring the economy against the recession, or Obama's promises?
 imalwayssmiling

Joined: 7/17/2009
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Posted: 11/8/2009 5:21:53 AM

When did we start to believe in painless Hard Times...I guess we got use to Wars with no day to day sacrafice or involement, now we want our tough time to be painless.

We were told that we were in a recession, nearing a depression. The economic numbers were going to be almost as bad a the Great Depression. Yet we complain about the things of recessions; loss of jobs, tightening of the money supply, ect.

Are we measuring the economy against the recession, or Obama's promises?
thank you very much
 Strings6

Joined: 7/14/2007
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Posted: 11/8/2009 5:34:10 AM
That's all fine and dandy until the partisan political blame game starts and it's all "their" fault and none of ours...perhaps these "promises" should have never been made in the first place....they were made to win not to keep.
 SAguy_06

Joined: 10/8/2009
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Posted: 11/8/2009 5:53:54 AM
Case in point...

Obama's decesion in Afghanistan. Obama has be critizied from all side because he has yet to tell us his plans for Afghanistan.

With all due respect to the American Public, but is it the smartest strategy to broadcast your strategy to your enemies...Just think if Roosevelt had to post the D-Day invasion plans online prior to the launch?

Secondly, Gen. McChrystal's assessement was just that, an assessement. I dont remeber Obama saying..."I sent General McChrystal to Afghanistan so he can 'Tell me what to do'".

Who thinks the President should take all voices into consideration? Or that we need to act right away? And who thinks the President should let everyone know the plan?
 Strings6

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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:08:49 AM
And i'm sure if it were Bush doing the same thing all criticism of him would be invalid as well.
 imalwayssmiling

Joined: 7/17/2009
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:22:14 AM
the man gives you sound reasoning on Obamas ,working out the kinks, of Afghanistan and you still are able to find a Bush rock to throw at him.Obama does nothing like Bush,he is a good planner,and that means all angles,yes,even the long term.he will not activate anything until its time,if its time.Sure Bush would have just thrown men in, and then wondered, what am I doing ! hope Cheney was right !,oh heck,I don't know,lets go to Iraq now,Cheney and Rummsfield said we need to hurry!

HEALTH REFORM PASSED LAST NIGHT 220 TO 215. Super Obama hard at work to save us from the past !

Hi Five !
 JSlade58

Joined: 9/11/2008
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:30:25 AM

And i'm sure if it were Bush doing the same thing all criticism of him would be invalid as well.


You seem to forget. Criticism of the Bush administration was not allowed. Can you say "Dixie Chicks" ? Bill Maher ? How about Ari Fleischer saying "You better watch what you say , mister" ?

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/McCarthyism/Dixie_Chicking.html
 GO USC

Joined: 6/14/2006
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Posted: 11/8/2009 8:36:51 AM

the man gives you sound reasoning on Obamas ,working out the kinks, of Afghanistan and you still are able to find a Bush rock to throw at him.Obama does nothing like Bush,he is a good planner,and that means all angles,yes,even the long term.he will not activate anything until its time,if its time.Sure Bush would have just thrown men in, and then wondered, what am I doing ! hope Cheney was right !,oh heck,I don't know,lets go to Iraq now,Cheney and Rummsfield said we need to hurry!




Afghanistan and you still are able to find a Bush rock to throw at him.Obama does nothing like Bush,he is a good planner,and that means all angles,yes,even the long term


OMG ... Get off the Brown Clown band wagon. He has no plan before he opens his big mouth. where was his plan when he chastized the cop when he arrested his liberal proffesor ? He has no clue what he is doing or saying unless he is reading off a telepromter and was written by someone else.


Sure Bush would have just thrown men in, and then wondered, what am I doing ! hope Cheney was right !,oh heck,I don't know,lets go to Iraq now,Cheney and Rummsfield said we need to hurry!


Please provide the link that backs up your liberal rant!
 killene

Joined: 3/28/2009
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Posted: 11/8/2009 8:49:52 AM
You seem to forget. Criticism of the Bush administration was not allowed. Can you say "Dixie Chicks" ? Bill Maher ? How about Ari Fleischer saying "You better watch what you say , mister" ?


Here we go again with the finger pointing back to Bush... If I remember right most voted for Obama so that we would have "Change" from Bush"

I am trying to figure out how many years it will be before people quit using the following three excuses to defend Obama.
If Obama is called on something
1. Then the dissenter is racist.
2. Its Bush's fault.
3. Bush did it, so what's the big deal with Obama doing it.

Over and over again Obama kept claiming he could handle the job better than any one else especially Bush. Over and over again Obama kept saying he cold fix the mess America was in . Obama was sworn in over 10 months ago when does Obama start taking the blame for what he has done and does..

Obama dropped the ball on Fort Hood and seems to keep dropping the ball. Its his fault, not his fathers, mothers, the previous administration, its Obama's fault.
 SAguy_06

Joined: 10/8/2009
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Posted: 11/8/2009 9:48:19 AM
What do you want fixed in 8 months... Ill give you this, If we are still here at 10% unemployment, and no other major legislation is signed into law by November 10th, 2011, or the Afghanistan war in worst shape, and the bulk of soldiers not home from Iraq...I will pledge my vote to the GOP front-runner.

We wont count Health Care Reform as major legislation.
 BikerBiker53

Joined: 6/11/2005
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Posted: 11/8/2009 9:59:32 AM
The Original Posters thoughts,...

I mentioned a while back that it was not smart to get involved with the professor/officer Crowley issue.

I later mentioned that calling Kanye West a jackass was a poor move.

I stated that it showed poor judgement and lack of self-control, as evidenced by lots of things he did in his campaign, as well as the little photo-shoot fly-over with Airforce 1 a while back.

Everyone shouted it down because "Kanye IS a jackass" well yeah...but it's not the president's job to call every celeb. on their behavior.


And now, from the "Link" the "OP" referred us to,

Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting
By ROBERT A. GEORGE
Updated 2:56 PM CST, Fri, Nov 6, 2009
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html

Anyone at home aware of the major news story of the previous hours had to have been stunned. An incident like this requires a scrapping of the early light banter. The president should apologize for the tone of his remarks, explain what has happened, express sympathy for those slain and appeal for calm and patience until all the facts are in. That's the least that should occur.

Indeed, an argument could be made that Obama should have canceled the Indian event, out of respect for people having been murdered at an Army post a few hours before. That would have prevented any sort of jarring emotional switch at the event.

Did the president's team not realize what sort of image they were presenting to the country at this moment? The disconnect between what Americans at home knew had been going on -- and the initial words coming out of their president's mouth was jolting, if not disturbing.

All the president's men (and women) fell down on the job Thursday. And Democrats across the country have real reason to panic.


OK,..that's his Opinion, and he is entitled to it, be it right or wrong,..but I dont think its gonna throw anyone into a Panic,...just more of a continued Smear Campaign.


we tried the "experienced" team for the last eight years. two absurd wars and the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression later we are worrying about Kanye West?


I agree with you 100% !


what did people think the next team was going to do? magically revive the economy, win the unwinnable wars, fix healthcare, and undo the collapse of the nations economy by snapping their fingers and turning around twice?


Sure they believe that,...its just that it hasnt happenned YET, and now a lot more people have become disillusioned with "THE GOLDEN CHILD",...

Ya gotta give Obama Time,....even Obama himself, said it would take time,..he, in my Opinion, is spread out too thin, and should consintrate on just a few issiues at a time instead of trying to Mulit task as much as he can,..,his plate is way too full.


maybe if Obama and his minions would address the more immediate crisis the Economy and the Wars then maybe we might have a chance at Real recovery


Right on my man !
Pull our Troops out,...NOW !
Work on restoring our ECONOMY,....NOW !


now we have pundits flipping out because the president didn't seem upset enough? where the f*ck will this sh*t stop???


Sorry, but it ISN'T,....gonna stop.

No matter how much Obama tries, there will always be an unrest,
simply because he is part Black,...that drives the Racist Nuts,...he could be the BEST PRESIDENT EVER,...and it wouldnt matter,....

The Obama supporters, both Black and White, did NOT take into consideration that putting a "Black Man" (and I use those words loosely) in the White House, would NOT be accecpted by a large majority of White people, and thus has devided this Nation, as much as THE CIVIL WAR ever did.

The reason I, "use those words loosely",.is because Obama is "Mixed Race",....Only in America, does there exist the moronic statue that if a Person has ONE DROP, of "Black" blood,..then their consider Black.....sad, isnt it,..we let that one little issue fan the flames of Racism and Discord, no matter how hard Obama is trying.

I will say this,...
I am Greatly saddened by the Loss of our Military Men, in this horrific act of senselessness,.....

I am NOT gonna "Attack" Obama,....... simply because he didnt,......
"DROP EVERYTHING",..and do, or say, enough to satisfie everyones personal feelings as to where they feel his reactions met their requirements.

I will say this,....
Thank You Mr President, for asking that all the Flags across our Nation, and around the world, be lowered to Half Mast, to Honor these Military Men.

I will say this,....
Thank You Mr President, for allowing the Native Event, to go on as planed.

If Obama would of cancelled the Native Event,..then he would of drew even more critisism from people that wouldnt of agreed with that move.

Its tuff being in a Position where you cant please everyone.

Telling someone ,...

Why don't you just sit down and have a steaming hot mug of shut the f**ck up.


Is NOT the answer,..and if you cant refrain from such an ATTACK, then perhaps you should find "Greener Pastures",..or expect to get "Tossed".
 JWG86

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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:00:37 AM
You have to understand that most supporters of Obama are also supporters of welfare type programs. This inherently means that they are all about shift of blame and responsibility and free pie for all. When someone counters there little push for free things, they call that person heartless and greedy--even if that person worked for all they have instead of trying to legislate it away from those who have so they don't HAVE to work. They want to vest more power in the government so they have to do less for themselves.

The entire of Obama's presidency has been smoke and mirrors and "give the people what they think they want". Lets think back to how he ran his campaign:

He stopped supporting the muslim community shortly before applying for the job.

He called Jeremiah Wright his "moral compass" and sat in his church for roughly a decade listening to him, but when Mr. Wright came under fire from the media, Obama said "I had no clue what message he was preaching!"

He refused to wear the US flag pin on his lapel, but when it began hurting him in the polls...he enhanced his wardrobe to include it.

He said he would only use public funding, then when it wasn't working out, he changed his tune and his bid for the presidency cost a record amount.

He said he wanted to ban guns in inner-city, urban areas. That kinda got un-popular and so he deleted the section of his website that deals with his views on gun-control. It was there one day and not the next. He then back-pedaled and told the media "It was not realistic". [Yeah. We know that. It's not like gun-ownership numbers are available ONLY once you become president... Nor would it be a good idea to remove people's ability to defend themselves.]

A major component of his campaign was "bringing our boys from the big sandbox home". However, he did this only so he could re-deploy MORE of them to a different part of it.

Every aspect of Obama is "show them my right hand while I reach over here with my left..." and people just eat that crap up and bobble their heads and chant his name. I am not saying the man has not had a few good ideas. He has. Everyone has both good and bad impact, but over-all, he has been nothing but a popularity whore who couldn't accomplish things before he was president and who now that he has some power is messing things up. I am greatly upset about the healthcare bill. Why? As someone in the medical field, it makes me the golden-goose. My job is VERY secure if it becomes a law, and my pay will likely go through the roof as the demand for me will increase...a LOT, while the supply of "me", will stay the same. However, the care patients recieve will plummet, hospitals will go bank-rupt, the govt. will end up having to buy them up, it will be one big BIG mess and the end isn't pretty.

PS. Would everyone PLEASE stop saying that his being black, or mixed, or whatever matters? It doesn't. In fact, I think he is one of the craftiest presidents I have had the "pleasure" of watching/hearing speak, black, white, foreign, or domestic. The man is crafty and I give him his due. I just disagree with him, not his color or creed. It has dawned upon me that everyone who supports Obama looks at the small picture, or a bunch of small pictures strung togather. EVERY ONE of the Obama supporters in this thread that I saw took my first post at face-value and the article by itself.

No, Obama's response wasn't even the topic really. You missed the boat. That is like a patient presenting to the Dr. with a cold and the Dr. referring the patient to an optomitrist because their eyes are looking red and bloodshot. YOU MISSED THE BOAT!

His response is just a symptom of a larger problem, and by itself it is nothing worth discussing, I agree wholly with you on THAT. However, when looked at as a whole, the trend becomes clear and the problem presents itself. Obama is an impulse actor who does what he thinks will get him the biggest pat on the back at the time (note the article writer complains about Obama giving "a shout-out". Total back-pat seeking behavior with no thought to consequences.). He does things without fully thinking the consequences through. Several times now the whitehouse has admitted the failure of his actions because he acted "Before we understood the true scope of the problem" (Words used to describe poor outcome of stimulus plan apparent a few months ago). On one occasion it even resulted in him inviting a few people over for a beer to help shift the view away from him shooting his mouth off calling someone racist, a racist act in itself when viewed in the context it occured in.
 JSlade58

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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:13:06 AM
Obama was sworn in over 10 months ago when does Obama start taking the blame for what he has done and does..


Exactly what do you want to blame him for....that wasn't started by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld? It took those blithering idiots 8 years to screw things up, yet you figure Barack can make everything nice and shiney in 9 or 10 months ?? Barack dropped the ball at Fort Hood ??? What did he do make some minor mistake ?? BIG FRIGGIN DEAL !! OK?? He hasn't wadded up the constitution and used it for toilet paper like the previous crowd did. Link?? Try this :
http://archive.democrats.com/preview.cfm?term=Iraq%20War%20Fund%20Diversion

And here's another for you.Ya, good old George "support the troops" Bush was hard at work here. And you whine about some minor mistake at Fort Hood ????

http://dailypundit.com/?p=19319

How about your brilliant minority leader Boehner ? The guy is a buffoon. At the latest little tea party gathering in washington he decides to read a few lines from his copy of the "Constitution". He begins.."We hold these truths to be self evident....." and ends up with "Life ,liberty and the pursuit of happiness".Hey..DUMBASS..that's from the Declaration of Independance...not the Constitution !

And the right wingnuts want to whine about Fort Hood ??? Are you kidding me ???
 JWG86

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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:19:12 AM
Approaching the corner fast, light on the brakes, stab the clutch, blip the throttle....shift the blame.
 geeleebee

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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:26:32 AM

Exactly what do you want to blame him for....that wasn't started by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld? It took those blithering idiots 8 years to screw things up, yet you figure Barack can make everything nice and shiney in 9 or 10 months ?? Barack dropped the ball at Fort Hood ??? What did he do make some minor mistake ?? BIG FRIGGIN DEAL !! OK?? He hasn't wadded up the constitution and used it for toilet paper like the previous crowd did.


Not eloquent, but it certainly hits the target, dead center.

No one dropped the ball about Fort Hood. Obama took care of a bit of housekeeping before he could focus his attention on the situation in Texas. Did that change anything that happened at Ft. Hood?
No.
Did it further validate the opinion of some that this president is worthless?
Probably.
No surprise, there.

So, in effect, nothing changed.

Once again--can't we focus our energy on those who have been left devastated by this tragic, horrifying act of unconscionable violence.

Seriously.
 Brandie60

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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:35:15 AM

..yet you figure Barack can make everything nice and shiney in 9 or 10 months ??


Apparently some of them did expect him to have fixed the mess the Republicans left us by now. No wonder they kept referring to him as 'The Messiah'!

Here's the video. Now explain how he dropped the ball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fNN_ETf50o

Brandie
 killene

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Posted: 11/8/2009 10:49:45 AM
Post 91 said (PS. Would everyone PLEASE stop saying that his being black, or mixed, or whatever matters? It doesn't. In fact, I think he is one of the craftiest presidents I have had the "pleasure" of watching/hearing speak, black, white, foreign, or domestic. The man is crafty and I give him his due. I just disagree with him, not his color or creed. It has dawned upon me that everyone who supports Obama looks at the small picture, or a bunch of small pictures strung togather. EVERY ONE of the Obama supporters in this thread that I saw took my first post at face-value and the article by itself)

It's so interesting how "you are racist' keeps cropping up every time someone disagrees with Obama or his policies. It seems that almost every thread that is on POF that has a dissenting opinion on Obama's administration, actions or speeches has some poster calling the dissenters racist.

Every president has had problems with support, some more than others.

When one does not support the issues of someone and they just happen to be of different race, color, religion, age, economic background and the list goes on does not make someone prejudice. It just says they have a different view that should be respected.

Around the country there seems to be some that feel that Obama dropped the ball on the way he handled his special speech on Ft Hood.

This does not make any of them bad, racist or prejudice, it is their opinion.
 geeleebee

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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:04:08 AM

Not supporting issues of someone because of their race, color, religion, age and the list goes on does not make someone prejudice.


Get all the way serious.

That is the very description of 'prejudice'.
How can a person not know that? Perhaps that's why 'some' don't understand the evident racism that crops up on the boards.

Refusing to support someone based on that person's race/color/religion IS prejudice.



It just says they have a different view that should be respected.


Having a difference of opinion is just that--a difference based on the topic of discussion, not based on skin color/religion/race.

Damn.
 Dasein2

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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:11:56 AM
If Obama had responded immediately it would have been a 'photo op'. If Obama doesn't respond fast enough, he's 'dropped the ball'.

Pointless thread is pointless.

Gonna save my energy for real issues.

 Brandie60

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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:13:34 AM

Not supporting issues of someone because of their race, color, religion, age and the list goes on does not make someone prejudice. It just says they have a different view that should be respected.


You've gotta be kidding!

If you (or anyone else) do not think that is what prejudice is about, you're sadly mistaken. That would also explain why you make some of the comments you do, then wonder why others think you're a racist.

Edit:

When one does not support the issues of someone and they just happen to be of different race, color, religion, age, economic background and the list goes on does not make someone prejudice.


Nice try! However, if you disagree with someone's politics, why bring their race, color, religion, age, economic backgroud into the conversation???


Brandie
 JWG86

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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:20:43 AM

If Obama had responded immediately it would have been a 'photo op'. If Obama doesn't respond fast enough, he's 'dropped the ball'.


So what do you refer to it when he gives a shout-out and thanks staff members before addressing the loss suffered by those at Ft. Hood?

Hint: Dropping the ball/being a popularity whore (trying)/lots of other things.
 Strings6

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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:45:36 AM
imalwaysmiling...sound logic being that Bush did everything for the wrong reasons and Obama does not things for the right reason...super Obama ?....thanks for the clarification of your level of objectivity.

Jslade58, criticism of Bush was not allowed ? of course it was allowed,the dixie chicks criticised him and those who disagreed responded with their right to criticise them as well as not buy their Music.I guess the rights of the Dixie Chicks mattered and the rights of others did not,critics of Obama are paying for that criticism.

SAguy,i am neither democrat or republican anymore and you can certainly vote for whoever you wish...i no longer beleive in the two headed serpent....and when the history books are written the chapter the chapter on the demise of America should be titled the destruction of a nation,by simply taking turns.
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