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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 4:50:00 PM | Looking into more detail, he was frequently harassed by his colleagues for "not being one of us" as some idiot previously posted. He thought he was about to be sent to Iraq, and as a Muslim, would have a far bigger giant red target on his back from both his colleagues and the Iraqis. Then there is the job description...listening to people with PTSD, playing their tape loops of rage, depression, disempowerment, loss of control, fantasies of aggression, and doing that job day after day, and wondering if one is strong enough to not fall down to empathetic slides down the same slopes.
We had a WHITE, CHRISTIAN, VA counselor near Nashville, TN, last year that did a road rage shooting, perhaps from many of the same stresses. He also shot at a white person..a momma and her kids. From what I have seen in the mental health profession, there is a severe lack of backup support for people who mean well, but cannot handle the constant barrage of negativity that the profession has to deal with, militarily in particular.
We may never know if Hasan had many factors or a mere trigger point that put him over the edge. We do know that soldiers and veterans are blowing themselves away at rates not seen in decades. The repeated deployments, stop-loss, divorces, financial stresses, and other cide effects of war are taking their toll. Hasan may have merely seen his future through the eyes and wounded hearts of so many hundreds that he counseled and could not face the prospect of becoming yet another one of "them".
It's a tragedy that does not need to be compounded by racism or xenophobia. It's just another person, facing an untenable situation, doing the unspeakable. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 10:17:07 PM | | I guess I need the question "why" answered. My cousins' son was badly wounded at the melee at Fort Hood. How could an obviously educated person murder so many people he did not know. What benefit did he gain my shooting my relative? If this crime was carried out to protest a war none of us are fond of, why shoot innocent young soldiers? | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 10:19:23 PM | I guess I need the question "why" answered. My cousins' son was badly wounded at the melee at Fort Hood. How could an obviously educated person murder so many people he did not know. What benefit did he gain my shooting my relative? If this crime was carried out to protest a war none of us are fond of, why shoot innocent young soldiers?
When it comes to some things, there is no why. Someone just lost their shit and did something bad. There doesn't need to be a why, and why won't fix it. In fact, often, there isn't really a "why". One sociopath responded, when asked, "what makes you different from other people." Response: "That caring thing..."
Not saying the major was a sociopath, but the circumstances are rather clear. He felt overwhelmed and was angry and wanted out and decided to take some people with him. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 10:46:32 PM |
He might have worn the same uniform as our many brave men and women in uniform, but he certainly was not one of our own.
I wonder if this is just a beginning?
Ahh, the old label game of 'Us' and 'Them', so much easier to go out and kill someone if you dehumanise them? Easier to park your brain at the door, than wait for the facts to get to the bottom of what could have lead a man to do such a dreadful thing.
Like it or not mate, he was an American, born in your country with exactly the same rights as you. He mightn't have shared the same life-experiences or faith as you, but he was very much one of you.
Well, if we didn't have so many liberal minded anti-defence people in our nation. More people would join the Armed Forces and reduce the work load of the hero's who are serving.
Better the hawks like Rumsfeld and Cheney, who created the very situation that's stretched your armed-forces and the men and women who serve to the limit? | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/6/2009 11:41:33 PM | Lets look at the facts that the "mainstream" media is bending over backwards to
minimize or ignore.
He was a devout MUSLIM who was very vocal that he was vehemently
opposed to being deployed to fight against fellow muslims in Iraq or Afghanistan.
He thought that MUSLIM suicide bombers were heroes.
He was an impotent sexually frustrated loser who was angry because the local
mosque couldnt find a traditional MUSLIM wife for him who would wear a circus tent, pray 5 times a day, and act like obiedient livestock as mandated by the KORAN.
He shouted "God is Great" in arabic as commited mass murder.
Wheres the mystery? The profile is all too familiar.
A MUSLIM loser, his mind twisted by the medieval psycho-babble of ISLAM,
who follows the dictates of the KORAN to kill infidels and ensure his spot in
ISLAMIC paradise by killing infidels, slaughters scores of innocent people.
You would think that in the military, a military at war with ISLAMIC Fundametalsits on a daily basis, that this freak show should have have been insomeones radar screen. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 4:59:32 AM | Let's look at a few facts that the Muslim-haters wish to ignore as they seek to capitalize on this tragedy. I am not defending or justifying Maj. Hasan's actions in any way, but there is a human tragedy like his brewing in millions of Army personnel and Veterans, of all faiths and ethnic backgrounds. And I think it's an appropriate time to understand the stresses of all mental health care providers in the services and the VA.
Hasan was an American. He chose to honorably serve his country in the capacity he could given his religion, as a mental health care provider. He was distressed at American wars of aggression in Muslim lands, the same issue that distresses most Muslims. If you recall, it was the military bases in Muslim Holy Lands that led to this whole war on terrorism pretext for putting more military bases in Muslim lands. Hasan tried to get relief from forced deployment against his religious beliefs.
Major Hasan, served at Walter Reed Hospital before his promotion to Fort Hood. Mental health service providers in the military and VA system are currently overwhelmed in a system of nearly 24,000,000 veterans. The PTSD and TBI rate from our current two wars is approaching 30%. Try to imagine a job, where day after day, you hear the stories of grief, guilt, anger, depression, suicidal thoughts, and fear that life will forever be changed for the worse. Hasan's job itself was enough of a stress in trying to do something to help heal those souls, and inevitably taking in some of their pain, that there is often a secondary form of PTSD accumulated by mental health care providers. I know one who started out perfectly solid and resolute in her abilities, only to succumb to alcoholism and depression within a year. Try to imagine spending years, doing your job, hearing the horror stories of the mentally and emotionally wounded, and then being forced to become one of them.
The mental health service providers in the military and VA system are overwhelmed with the shear numbers of people who need help. Of the 1.4 million active duty personnel, 6-10% of them get bad enough to seek help on a given year. These are the ones who SEEK help. The numbers who need it are far greater but the macho culture forces most to "buck up" and display no signs of "weakness" or normal human emotional responses to horrific acts. Again, try to imagine doing what you can to try to help these people in need, only to see suicide rates soaring to the highest in decades, the rise of domestic violence among personnel, higher divorce rates, substance abuse problems, and high attrition rates as people leave the service. It's a constant battle to actually make a difference in the lives of so many in need, only to face constant failure, lack of adequate treatment options, and a parade of new faces coming in every day.
We've not had wars like this in our past, where personnel are facing their 5th and 6th deployments. The cumulative impacts of these repeated, exhausting deployments are
cases of both post-traumatic stress and traumatic brain injury growing from 38 percent to 58 percent since August 2008, among soldiers stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to the US Army. The mental health care system of the military and VA are chronically underfunded and understaffed.
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2009/11/49732_space.html
"One of the ironies of yesterday`s killings was that while Hasan was on the rampage at Fort Hood, military veterans were in Washington campaigning for more help in dealing with mental health problems, mainly for returning soldiers. "
"Paul Sullivan, executive director of Veterans for Common Sense, said that he and others had warned that an incident such as the one which unfolded yesterday had been on the cards for a long time. `We warned the military about this. We warned the military about the need to increase the number of mental health care providers,` he said. `We warned the military about lowering recruiting standards, about the medical exams for soldiers coming back from the war and needing mental health care and brain injury exams."
Some chickenhawks, yellow elephants and new Crusaders, will only see this as a perfect Islam hate-fest justification, while ignoring the millions of domestic ticking time bombs that we have created, have failed to provide adequate and timely care for, and will be going off in greater numbers well into the future. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 5:09:33 AM | First we had this:
He was an impotent sexually frustrated loser who was angry because the local
mosque couldnt find a traditional MUSLIM wife for him who would wear a circus tent, pray 5 times a day, and act like obiedient livestock as mandated by the KORAN.
He shouted "God is Great" in arabic as commited mass murder.
Wheres the mystery? The profile is all too familiar.
A MUSLIM loser, his mind twisted by the medieval psycho-babble of ISLAM,
who follows the dictates of the KORAN to kill infidels and ensure his spot in
ISLAMIC paradise by killing infidels, slaughters scores of innocent people.
Thank goodness this followed:
Major Hasan, served at Walter Reed Hospital before his promotion to Fort Hood. Mental health service providers in the military and VA system are currently overwhelmed in a system of nearly 24,000,000 veterans. The PTSD and TBI rate from our current two wars is approaching 30%. Try to imagine a job, where day after day, you hear the stories of grief, guilt, anger, depression, suicidal thoughts, and fear that life will forever be changed for the worse. Hasan's job itself was enough of a stress in trying to do something to help heal those souls, and inevitably taking in some of their pain, that there is often a secondary form of PTSD accumulated by mental health care providers. I know one who started out perfectly solid and resolute in her abilities, only to succumb to alcoholism and depression within a year. Try to imagine spending years, doing your job, hearing the horror stories of the mentally and emotionally wounded, and then being forced to become one of them.
The second seeks to get to the heart of the matter. The first? I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 5:29:00 AM | Well, my first two musings have been answered in this thread, but it brings up a third that I'm curious of...
Why does this have to be a hate crime against others. To me, it sounds like the major was lashing out not because his religion told him to, but because he felt trapped and oppressed... heavily on both counts. Simply because the circumstances that led up to this included his religion, does not mean that he was a religious zealot committing the crime in the name of his God.
I think that people need to blame something to convince themselves that this would never be them, could never be them... and that lets them sleep better at night. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 5:33:58 AM | There was a heroine there:
Sergeant Munley — a woman with a fierce love of hunting, surfing and other outdoor sports — bolted from her car, yanked her pistol out and shot at Major Hasan. He turned on her and began to fire. She ran toward him, continuing to fire, and both she and Major Hasan went down with several bullet wounds, Mr. Medley said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us/07police.html?_r=1 | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 7:13:10 AM | Charles Witman
Ira Addabery
Jim Jones
Marine barracks bombers
Yeman bombers
Tan Tan Makut
Sean Fein/IRA
VT shooter
Tim Mcviegh
911 attackers
Camir Rouge
and so on...
Mass Murderers-
Not quiet right with the world, Most, I suspect had some sort of Mental illness. Our own government says that terror groups recuit from the un educated and easily manipulated. No matter their Religion or Politics they believe themselves to be disenfranchised.
Mass murderers, wether one individual, or group have been with us since the times of Neaderthal rading parties killed other bands for food and lodging.
Now we(humans) have very elaborate reasons/excuses for killing one another...But Im not ready to just dismiss it as Politics or Religion...thats to simple. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 7:43:52 AM |
There was a heroine there:
Sergeant Munley — a woman with a fierce love of hunting, surfing and other outdoor sports — bolted from her car, yanked her pistol out and shot at Major Hasan. He turned on her and began to fire. She ran toward him, continuing to fire, and both she and Major Hasan went down with several bullet wounds, Mr. Medley said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us/07police.html?_r=1
No wonder we barely see mention of it in the news. The leftist media would HATE for people to see that responsible gun ownership puts a stop to violent crime. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 8:02:27 AM |
to the shooting incidents and to attack Muslims, to create racis paranoia and hatred Why are people so reluctant to confront reality? The man in question is a Muslim, he was outspoken about his beliefs, he thinks America is wrong in Iraq and Afghanistan, he allegedly praised suicide bombers on a web site,he jumped on a table and yelled "Allah Akbar" ...........This is a case of domestic terrorism, American Jihad ...
Just because he is Muslim doesn't mean all Muslims feel the same way, but in this case this nut job Obviously had anti American feelings that he was suppressing....looks like we have witnessed our first Domestic Terrorist act under the new administration... | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 9:02:06 AM |
to the shooting incidents and to attack Muslims, to create racis paranoia and hatred
There is reality we have to face.
Apparently invading another free country and king their official to fight "terrorists" isn't working. We should rethink our foreign policy in the middle east.
The US has used more than 40 veto power in UN to support Israel while the rest of world regarded it barbaric atrocity from Isreal side. Why is US bend backward to support Israel to anger the rest of world? | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 9:13:57 AM | god is great, good grief!, i am watching cnn, and yr makes me sick that they dont just call this an act of terrorism !!!have we become so p. c., that it takes priority over our, men and women's lives
was this man normal or mentally ill, normal,he was able to function on a daily basis
was he a terrorist, yes, did he slip through the system...yes... are there more like him, yes, are all muslims like him, ...no but do not be naive, most have different values, most want north america to change, rather than conform and assimilate to our way of life | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 9:39:29 AM |
Hey, I've got a great idea! Let's gather up all the Muslim Americans and cart them off to internment camps, for the duration. Fantastic... then next we can go after the Christians... round up a few lions and then the party will really get started...
Maybe for the grande finale we could do a few burning at the stake whilst toasting marshmallows and singing Kumbaya...  | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 9:42:22 AM | Hasan expressed his love of America, serving honorably until he went off the deep end. The Islamophobes will do what they can to stir up the hate. Islamophobes on the base kept at Major Hasan, perhaps helping an unstable individual crack finally.
There are over 10,000 Muslims serving in the US military, with hundreds living at Fort Hood. Muslims have fought for this nation since the Revolutionary War. To use the act of a lone gunman, using civilian and locally bought weaponry, does not paint the Muslims in the US as a terrorists any more than McVeigh and Rudolf painted all white Christians as terrorists. If a Veteran goes on a killing spree, following Islamophobe logic, all Veterans are potential terrorists.
Here is another view from Fort Hood, from Muslims serving there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kamran-pasha/a-muslim-soldiers-view-fr_b_348973.html
"Richard's" story reveals some truth about the Muslim experience in the military, and the fact that Major Hasan had fundamental differences from his Muslim peers, and was suffering from job stress and imminent deployment to what he considered and immoral war. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 9:43:15 AM | | theres the old agrument if u call one muslim a terrorist then u are calling them all terrorist, what a crock of sh$t. for god sakes call it what it was , and this was a act of terrorism.maybe next time they will get someone in your family, wonder if u would see it in a differnt light then? | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 9:46:20 AM |
maybe next time they will get someone in your family Statistically, it is far, far, far more likely that if someone in my family is the victim of violence, that violence will be done by a Christian caucasion. Who is 'they' anyway? There is no them and us, we are all Americans with different backgrounds, ethnicities, races, religions, etc., though some much more ignorant than others. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 9:47:04 AM | Ismene...no one is saying that all Muslims feel the same way as the Terrorist but it is naive to totally dismiss the part his religious beliefs played in his actions. If this was not some type of Jihad why would he yell "Allah Akbar" if he wasn't motivated by his Religion?
"Federal law enforcement officials have said Maj Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats."
""He said Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor and that we should not be in the war in the first place." | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 9:58:02 AM |
Why are people so reluctant to confront reality? The man in question is a Muslim, he was outspoken about his beliefs, he thinks America is wrong in Iraq and Afghanistan, he allegedly praised suicide bombers on a web site,he jumped on a table and yelled "Allah Akbar" ...........This is a case of domestic terrorism, American Jihad ...
Just because he is Muslim doesn't mean all Muslims feel the same way, but in this case this nut job Obviously had anti American feelings that he was suppressing....looks like we have witnessed our first Domestic Terrorist act under the new administration...
From what I understand his internet writings were expressive of his beliefs several months ago and no one put a watch on him.
His internet writings were not those of a career military man happy with the military's position in the war or world.
Seems his writings were those similar to the extreme Muslims that have been doing bombings all over the world.
Looks like someone dropped the ball on this guy until it was a bit too late. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 10:13:33 AM |
There was a heroine there
Now that piqued my interest. I just had to have more! Was it.....was it......."Jessica" again?
bolted from her car, yanked her pistol out and shot at Major Hasan.
Yes......yes...its Jessica again. Whoopee go Jessie go, you go "girlfren"!
She ran toward him, continuing to fire, and both she and Major Hasan went down with several bullet wounds
Yep.......yeppity yep thats Jessica for ya. She went down shooting, emptying her pistol befer succumbing to her wounds. Darn Eraqs!
Mr. Medley said
Errr.....now wait jist a dern gon minute ear.....Mr Medley? It weren't no "Medley" it were Jerry! Who.......Jerry goddamn Bruckheimer. Yep....wrote the last one too, remember about Private Jessica Lynch?
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