| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 10:20:58 AM | Statistically, it is far, far, far more likely that if someone in my family is the victim of violence, that violence will be done by a Christian caucasion. Who is 'they' anyway? There is no them and us, we are all Americans with different backgrounds, ethnicities, races, religions, etc., though some much more ignorant than others
they are people who kill for any reason, just to b clear i think anybody ( no matter what religon) can b a terrorist. i look at mcveigh as a terrorist and he wasnt muslim. besides i think i said this was act of terrorism not muslim terrorism, correct? i get the fact that some people are so uptight that the word they is now a slur, hope that clearded it up for you. way to try and blur the line though. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 10:36:07 AM | Statistically, it is far, far, far more likely that if someone in my family is the victim of violence, that violence will be done by a Christian caucasion.
also i thought u might find this intresting.
Race, Crime and Justice in America
The Color
of
Crime
New Century Foundation
Oakton, VA 22124
Second, Expanded Edition
Major Findings
• Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
Crime Rates
• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder,
and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
• When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely
than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and
Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of
the population that is black and Hispanic.
Interracial Crime
• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving
blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Fortyfive
percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are
Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are
black.
• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against
a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes
against whites than vice versa.
Gangs
• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs.
Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
Incarceration
• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139
to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39
million.
• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 10:42:10 AM | | If you think that these statistics contradict what I said, you would be wrong, and wrong because of how you are interpreting this data. By far, most of the crime within the black community is black on black crime. Because most of my relatives are white (some are not), they are more likely, statistically, to be, if they are the victims of crime, victimized by white people. There is a lot of other information that clarifies these statistics, but I just can't be bothered. I have a least learned one thing, as long as someone wants to maintain certain views, they will, and nothing anyone says can change that. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 10:47:03 AM | Early on - as in an hour and a half to two hours after the incident, one of the reports indicated a witness saying he raised his gun into the air and yelled "Praise Obama!" then leveled it and began firing. Others say he yelled "Allahu Akhbar" before firing. Big difference between the two phrases. I supposed it's possible and even likely he could have said both - even at different times and locations before resuming fire. Of course some "witnesses" claim he simply stood up and began firing without saying a thing. Notably at least one medic who treated one of the first victims, but was nowhere in the vicinity of the shootings. With "witnesses" like that, you'll never really find out what happened, why or how.
That first report was only up for an hour at most before it simply disappeared. At the time it was online, it had the latest information and it was quoting an eyewitness to the shootings.
So the shooter's in a coma but expected to live, although paralyzed. Eventually, we should just be able to ask him why he did it. He'd been getting flack from all around him over ihs religion and personal beliefs. I don't know that it makes what he did a Jihad, any more than McVeigh's adventure was a Christian crusade. Just some guy who didn't believe the same thing as others around him and was ridiculed constantly over it on top of dealing with the problems of returning Gulf vets as a psychiatrist. He'd been trying to leave the military for a while - even going so far as offering to pay for the medical training he received, but they refused to give him a discharge.
So he went off the deep end, as others do as well. There are many parallel precedents, including ones connected with Iran and Afghanistan. That doesn't make this a "terrorist act" unless his specific intent was to cause terror in support of his message - whatever that might be, if any. Some folks simply just go off the deep end when pushed to the edge. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 11:19:16 AM | The Air Force has historically been the worse for fundamentalist bullying, but the Army has a strong presence in the officers corp. Some maintain that this is a concerted effort to take over the military by organized religion. BTW..the Chaplain Corps is suffering the same levels of stress and PTSD as the mental health officers are facing..
http://www.jewsonfirst.org/08a/onward_christian_soldiers.html
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/05/0082488
"Within the fundamentalist front in the officer corps, the best organized group is Officers’ Christian Fellowship, with 15,000 members active at 80 percent of military bases and an annual growth rate, in recent years, of 3 percent. Founded during World War II, OCF was for most of its history concerned mainly with the spiritual lives of those who sought it out, but since 9/11 it has moved in a more militant direction. According to the group’s current executive director, retired Air Force Lieutenant General Bruce L. Fister, the “global war on terror”—to which Obama has committed 17,000 new troops in Afghanistan—is “a spiritual battle of the highest magnitude.” As jihad has come to connote violence, so spiritual war has moved closer to actual conflict, “continually confronting an implacable, powerful foe who hates us and eagerly seeks to destroy us,” declares “The Source of Combat Readiness,” an OCF Scripture study prepared on the eve of the Iraq War.
But another OCF Bible study, “Mission Accomplished,” warns that victory abroad does not mean the war is won at home. “If Satan cannot succeed with threats from the outside, he will seek to destroy from within,” asserts the study, a reference to “fellow countrymen” both in biblical times and today who practice “spiritual adultery.” “Mission Accomplished” takes as its text Nehemiah 1–6, the story of the “wallbuilder” who rebuilt the fortifications around Jerusalem. An outsider might misinterpret the wall metaphor as a sign of respect for separation of church and state, but in contemporary fundamentalist thinking the story stands for just the opposite: a wall within which church and state are one. “With the wall completed the people could live an integrated life,” the study argues. “God was to be Lord of all or not Lord at all.” So it is today, “Mission Accomplished” continues, proposing that before military Christians can complete their wall, they must bring this “Lord of all” to the entire armed forces. “We will need to press ahead obediently,” the study concludes, “not allowing the opposition, all of which is spearheaded by Satan, to keep us from the mission of reclaiming territory for Christ in the military.” | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 11:58:10 AM |
No wonder we barely see mention of it in the news. The leftist media would HATE for people to see that responsible gun ownership puts a stop to violent crime.
Umm.. she was a police officer, in duty, doing her job with her service-pistol was she not?
Newspaper reports I saw also said the Major brought his own handguns onto the base, unless it was standard practice to conduct therapy sessions wearing sidearms?
The article you quoted was widely distributed on all channels, at least over here, so I don't see your point? | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 1:40:39 PM |
The Air Force has historically been the worse for fundamentalist bullying As if this is somehow relevant? The man was 39 years old if he couldn't handle things he could have gotten counseling or something....This is a sad example of a tree hugger trying to Blame everyone else instead of the Terrorist..Yeah PTSD...or maybe his mother didnt hug him enough or maybe she hugged him to much.......I understand Obama supporters reluctance to accept this as the act of Terrorism that it is but at least be honest.............."Allahu Akbar".......... | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 1:43:21 PM | | I don't think this was an act of terrorism. At least, not in the political sense. It was an individual who snapped. If it were terrorism, then he is the most pathetic terrorist I have heard of. A Major on a military base and the best he can do is take a .22 caliber pistol and kill 12 people? No. This was someone who went off the deep-end, not a calculated terrorist strike. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 1:53:53 PM | | I guess its all in how you define Terrorism...I think a Muslim getting pissed off and going on a shooting rampage wounding 40+ American soldiers and killing 13...jumping on a table and yelling "Allahu Akbar" is Terrorism....Who knows if it was calculated or not apparently he had some idea he was going to do something that day.......How many Americans have to die before it is considered a Terrorist act? If he did in fact make internet posts that have been attributed to him, and make the Anti American Anti war statements and yelled "Allah Akbar" there is no way that this can not be construed as a Terrorist Act...why was Timothy McVeigh labeled a Terrorist and this guy not? there is little difference ......Political Correctness definitely causes a lot of Ostrich like behavior,,,, | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 1:59:18 PM | | I think he called on his higher power and that higher power just happened to be Allah. Of course, I didn't know the man personally, so I really can't say. I think his motivation was personal and not religious. A terrorist does something to incite fear, etc. While he certainly did this, he first and foremost escaped a situation. Terror was a byproduct of his goal, not his primary goal. JMHO | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 2:10:54 PM |
I don't think this was an act of terrorism. At least, not in the political sense. It was an individual who snapped. If it were terrorism, then he is the most pathetic terrorist I have heard of. A Major on a military base and the best he can do is take a .22 caliber pistol and kill 12 people? No. This was someone who went off the deep-end, not a calculated terrorist strike.
Correct.
It was one man acting alone, just like the non-muslim in Miami, instead of shoulting 'Allah Ahkbah' he shouted 'They left me to rot', which amounted to the same thing in his mind.
They were both at the end of their respective ropes. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 3:22:44 PM | Terrorism.....how times have changed. In the old days we would have said he went 'postal' on his coworkers, just as that other one did in Orlando yesterday.
OP, there are no answers. For whatever reason when some people snap they take out their rage on others.
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 4:12:59 PM | We may never know if Hasan had many factors or a mere trigger point that put him over the edge. We do know that soldiers and veterans are blowing themselves away at rates not seen in decades. The repeated deployments, stop-loss, divorces, financial stresses, and other cide effects of war are taking their toll. Hasan may have merely seen his future through the eyes and wounded hearts of so many hundreds that he counseled and could not face the prospect of becoming yet another one of "them".
Since the war started soldier on soldier attacks have been common. The one today was the worst by far but far from an isolated event
• May 11, 2009: Five soldiers shot dead at Camp Liberty in Baghdad by Sgt. John Russell.
• Sept. 8, 2008: Spc. Jody Michael Wirawan shoots himself to death after killing 1st Lt. Robert Bartlett Fletcher at Fort Hood.
• Feb. 25, 2008: Dustin Thorson, an Air Force technical sergeant, fatally shoots his son and daughter at home on Tinker Air Base in Oklahoma in domestic dispute with ex-wife. He had been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder after returning from Iraq.
• June 7 2005: Two National Guard officers are killed by a grenade at headquarters in Tikrit. Staff Sgt. Alberto Martinez is later acquitted of murder in a court-martial.
• March 23, 2003: Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar tosses grenades into three tents and then fires a rifle at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait, killing one and injuring 14. Akbar later receives death sentence. | |
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| Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/7/2009 5:40:28 PM |
If he posted on extremist websites and made the statements attributed to him then it is an act of Terrorism...It is possible to commit an act of Terrorism on your own... I wonder how many American Terrorists there are walking free in the United States right now simply because they're Baptist or some other Christian religion... with white skin...
I'm sure the southern states would be good for a few hundred thousand... if not more... | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 6:08:13 PM | the exact LAST thing he should have done was join the United States Army. With Afghanistan and Iraq being the major two theatres of armed conflict for the US, his chances of being sent to either one would have been a sure bet one would think.
Today. He joined twenty years ago -- which would make it 1989.
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Posted: 11/7/2009 6:22:38 PM | New Century Foundation
From SourceWatch
The New Century Foundation, founded November 1990 and based in Oakton, Virginia, is a "self-styled think tank that publishes a monthly journal and a Web site called American Renaissance. Also hosts biannual conferences. The Foundation promotes pseudoscientific and questionably researched and argued studies to validate the superiority of whites."[1]
The Foundation is headed by Samuel Jared Taylor, "author of Paved With Good Intentions: The Failure of Race Relations in Contemporary America, a 1991 book that documented fundamental problems with U.S. policies on civil rights, crime and welfare. ... But Mr. Taylor was criticized as an advocate of 'the new white racism' by conservative author Dinesh D'Souza, whose 1995 book The End of Racism reported many of the same racial problems Mr. Taylor had examined in his earlier book."[2] | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 6:23:17 PM |
I wonder how many American Terrorists there are walking free in the United States right now simply because they're Baptist or some other Christian religion... with white skin... Probably a lot, just like there are probably a lot of Muslims in America who fall into that category...People still have the right to freely express themselves but when you Kill 13 people and wound 30 more you actually become the Terrorist which you praise | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 6:53:12 PM |
The fix~ Remove muslims from the US armed forces.
Absolutely ~ remove them from the US, period
Fail. Total epic fail. Muslims are not the leading source of crime in our nation, racially or belief-wise. Your knee-jerk reaction is just misdirected anger. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 7:02:40 PM | "Duck & Cover" if you hear someone yell something in Arabic...
The fix~ Remove muslims from the US armed forces.
Norty... the Oklahoma City bombing was done by a white guy, should send them all back to Europe? Interesting theory! Lets start with you! | |
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