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Posted: 11/8/2009 5:58:25 AM | Wow I love that quote OP...............I must admit I don't recall ever hearing it before but that pretty much sums up how I feel regarding myself and men.
I've taken down my photo because alot of people here simply contact you based on your best pics and while I understand that, alot of them are not so special themselves. I have done the tests where I've put a super hot picture up with cleavage and had immediate marriage proposals (huh?) which left me shaking my head in disbelief at how shallow men can be.
I've also put up very ordinary pics before and no response.
So I feel very strongly about Marilyn's statement as I feel it should apply to everyone. And those who are trying to belittle her by talking about her being bipolar and how Joe Di Maggio left her............what does that have to do with anything? Men leave women every day, women leave men everyday so what?????
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:08:11 AM | | I think this quote rings true, although I do not think that Marilyn Monroe was pretty. She oozed sexuality I suppose, and from what I can gather, she would not be a size 16 today. Sizes seemed to run smaller in those days. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:21:21 AM | I think it's a telling sign of the times that no one has recognized the OP's quote phrase as essentially being the narcissist's version of the "for better or worse" clause in the traditional wedding vows.
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:50:30 AM | Marilyn Monroe wasn't a scholar, she was an actress/model.Why anyone would take anything she said seriously is beyond me.
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She was a prostitute and a porn actress while trying to get a career in hollywood...
Quoting Marilyn is like....hmmm better not say it...
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:02:00 AM |
"If you can't take me at my worst, then you don't deserve me at my best."
It all depends on what your "worst" is. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:24:58 AM |
"If you can't take me at my worst,then you don't deserve me at my best".
Most people thinks that life is Black and White, until they find out that life can be Neutral..
A Neutral person might not the Best and he is not the Worst either.
Example: I have rich Aunt who gave me love and material things generously, and gave me mental and physical abused too. People thinks I am stupid to run away from good life, but I would rather have a hard life ,with my dignity intact...... | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 7:45:53 AM |
wonder what it would have cost?
I don't know if true or not, but remember reading somewhere that she made $300-500/day offering that booty to hollywood producers ..... | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:19:54 PM | | oooh I agree with that. If he wants to dump me over a minor this or that he's not worth my time. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 6:46:54 PM | Wow message 30 I just sat back, counted to 10 and bingo you were right there in my face, once again as I knew you would be.
Whether it's Marilyn or whomever you are always ready to tear someone apart - I've read enough of your comments to know that.
You're not here to meet anyone rather to tell people that they are wrong and you know better...............OMG ROFLMFAO.
As the OP has observed already - there are definitely some very uncompassionate people on here.
................10 and here he comes again. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 8:02:59 PM | I think the idea again is accepting all of me.
But it's not about deserving. It's about "fitting". It's easy to like someone at their best... hell all of us are pretty good at our best. But at our worst? Come on, we all havebad days. And will you still like me on my bad days? Will you still love me when I come home from work whining and b*tching about my day at work? Will you still love me when I fall into a down mood...and I feel bad about myself and need you to hold me up?
I would reword it, I think.
It's easy to love me at my best, but if you can love me at my worst then you're a keeper!
If you can love me at my worst then I know you'll love me at my best.
I need you to love me at my worst, not just at my best.
Etc...
Never about deserving though. About accepting.
And yes, I do like that quote if you modify it a bit, because it is what I seek. I want someone who can love ALL of me, even the secret dark parts... I want someone who I feel confident can grow with me and will still love me when I'm "old and grey", not just while I"m "young and perky".
A ltr or marriage takes more than fun dates, or hot sex. Relationships don't make it if they can't weather the downs, not just enjoy the ups.
I think any of us who have been thru a divorce already know this...and probably agree with me, at least partially...because we know how hard it is to make it day in, day out, with someone else.
And, fwiw, I don't look down on anyone who can't take ME at my worst... That's their prerogative. I don't pretend to be easy or perfect. I try to be the best me I can be, but let's face it, that's never going to be perfect. I"m always going to be a bit high strung, over analytic, wanting to talk about feelings all the time, always going to have down days sometimes, etc.... So yeah... I want someone who wants me when I'm not as much fun as well as when I'm flirty and teasing... | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:13:36 PM | | I have that quote attached to my email. Only it's "Any man who can't handle me at my worst damn sure don't deserve me at my best." LoL | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:44:29 PM | "If you can't take me at my worst, then you don't deserve me at my best."
Dont care where the quote came from... we've ALL been there in life.
Last 18 months have been the sh*ttiest of my life aside from when my marriage broke up and when I had a broken neck.
Who else is willing to admit that publically while keeping up the facade?
We're all "heros" on the internet.
A man that had feelings for me right now... who had a romantic interest and who I returned... that saw and understood the situation Ive both been in and am still realistically going through... Id consider to be one great man.
YES Im worth it... question is... are you...? | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:47:27 PM | ^^^Yep, the MM bashfest. So easy..I mean, she's been dead for 30 years or something..lol.
Before you go calling her a whore because you remember reading it somewhere, I'd like to point out that diMaggio adored her until the day she died and even after - he brought flowers to her crypt until he died. And she also married one of America's intellectuals - Arthur Miller - so she couldn't have been as stupid and low-life as some posters say.
Another point - MM's measurements, according to her dressmaker - were 35-22-36 - hardly what I would call fat - unless you think a 22-inch waist is obese. 
OT: I don't like the quote. I don't think an adult should subject anyone to his or her worst behaviour. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 12:04:27 AM |
I'd say-- stop being your worst; no one likes you like that.
ChardyGirl*~*:
Landra,what if you have a cold and are feeling and looking like hell?! That's not a "worst" that's just life. But if you feel that because you have a cold you're entitled to be a raving psycho demanding b1tch from hell and make everyone around you miserable, then no one likes you like that. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 12:10:29 AM | 'If you can't take me at my worst, then you don't deserve me at my best.'
Reminds me of when my late husband and I married and said for better for worse. Its also a wise reminder when you meet someone terrific and they have a bad day, that remembering the good days can help.
A few times when at friends for dinner where some new women have been as well, the subject of husbands came up and a few women started complaining about their husbands. Every dang time one would see me listening and then ask me what bugged me about Ron. Assuming he must have had something that bugged me. Was honest and said they were minor. And thus not worth wasting time talking about.
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Posted: 11/9/2009 12:23:09 AM |
if you feel that because you have a cold you're entitled to be a raving psycho demanding b1tch from hell and make everyone around you miserable
Wow?
Are YOU like that when you have a cold,coz im not.......................!
Achoo.....................
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Posted: 11/9/2009 12:42:21 AM |
We should have compassion for a home wrecker who shared herself with two married brothers? Yeah sure, you do it, you have compassion for the woman that doesn't care one way or another that your husband is married. You have compassion for a woman who would actually go on tv & flirt & flaunt her sexuality to your husband while you are forced to watch. You have compassion for me, because I have none for women like that! Wow. That's so Christian of you. So Christlike really. So self-righteous. I never saw the big deal with Jackie O, never saw her as classy or anything like that. But apparently Jackie and her SIL was old school. As long as the Kennedys' provided, took care of them and their children, and loved her - they let the Kennedy brothers mind their indescretions. So many women of that era did while their men went whoremongering. But maybe JO does have class because maybe she actually pitied MM and wasn't mad at her.
There was woman, a 'friend' of mine who used to not-so-discreetly flirt with my SO. She would have focked him if he gave it up and she had the chance. I knew it, but I wasn't so worried.
I actually did have pity and compassion for her. I knew her background. I knew it included rape, absentee father, several abortions and sexual abuse. She had many men but not one that left her in a decent state of mind about men. She thought all men cheated when given a chance, but if she thought you (me) had a decent man she would try to have sex him to both get with him and prove that your man is not as decent as you may think he is. She didn't think she ever get a decent man herself so she relegated herself to getting a-holes or someone else's man.
If you know people's problems and backgrounds, it 's not that hard for me to empathize. I empathize with the hurt and misdirected behavior of people like Michael Jackson, Anna Nichole Smith, Courtney Love, Lil Kim, and others. I can see through their famous facade and not be appalled and never once call it a 'train wreck' but hurt souls for whom money didn't resolve the issue.
I never really thought much about MM because all I know is that she was some glamourous white 50's movie star. This is my first time hearing of her problems with bipolar, depression, drugs and others. To me, it would explain her behavior as presented here. I'm interested enough now to pick up her bio if I remember to do that. Hope it's a good read.
I don't know how decent Demmagio was, but if he loved her like somene said, then I'm glad he loved her. It seems, from what I'm reading here, that someone needed to love her. And I hope he, Demaggio, continued to love her even after they divorced, even when she died. I don't think it's that hard to have love for a crackpot (as in 'insane' or 'has issues') - even if you can't physically be with them like you want because of their illness and have to love them from a distance.
You know what I heard? I heard that if you are a woman and ever needed to go on trial against a rapist or someone who abused you - watch out for the women on the Jury or elsewhere because they can be even more harsh than the men. I thought 'What? Really? Hell nall women have more compassion than that. They are women after all!' But there might be some truth in that.
Somewhat enlightening thread.
Thanks.
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Posted: 11/9/2009 1:00:53 AM | | Kinda reminds me of the show "The Ugly Truth"...in the beginning the guy is coaching her on how to land and keep her dream guy...so she does all these things that are choreographed for her to present herself as being the perfect woman that every guy would like a woman to be...which in reality wasn't her true character...in the meantime she's being her true unperfect self to the guy coaching her ie. angry with him, seen her without her extensions (fake long hair), not dressed to impress...yet he falls for her...evidently she's left with both guys having an interest in her...in the end she goes for the guy who has seen her unperfect self...because she realizes he loves her for her...who knows her true self and yet still fell in love with "her" and not the image of the "perfect" girl like the other guy...and I believe that's what Marilyn Monroe was looking for...someone who loved all of her...the good, the bad and the ugly. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 1:07:14 AM | The best book about MM is called "Blondie" by Joyce Carol Oates - an amazing, wonderful writer.
Yes, she needed a man who would accept her for all her failings - but they all fell in love with Marilyn, not Norma Jean. As Rita Hayworth said.."They go to bed with Gilda (her most famous role), and they wake up with me."
I will accept "the worst" in someone - but I won't accept abuse and that includes emotional. If the "worst" is a nasty, vicious temper..forget it. If the "worst" is mental illness - that's an extremely hard call. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 1:38:20 AM | Kinda reminds me of the show "The Ugly Truth"...in the beginning the guy is coaching her on how to land and keep her dream guy...so she does all these things that are choreographed for her to present herself as being the perfect woman that every guy would like a woman to be...which in reality wasn't her true character...in the meantime she's being her true unperfect self to the guy coaching her ie. angry with him, seen her without her extensions (fake long hair), not dressed to impress...yet he falls for her...evidently she's left with both guys having an interest in her...in the end she goes for the guy who has seen her unperfect self...because she realizes he loves her for her...who knows her true self and yet still fell in love with "her" and not the image of the "perfect" girl like the other guy...and I believe that's what Marilyn Monroe was looking for...someone who loved all of her...the good, the bad and the ugly. Wow, that's apt... and the best meaning of her quote that I've read so far. I totally get that. I understand that. And in the end - I would have done the same thing. It may not be that hard to live up to an image if you only have to do it a couple of hours a day or week - on screen, at a concert or signing, or in public. But to live up to fake image for someone day after day after day because that's what you (mis)represented and that's who they feel in love with - much harder and much stressful. So why not choose the person who knows the 'real' you and manages to love you still.
I still ain't sure about being 'deserving' of someone's best if I can put with their worse - that kinda scares me. But I now get the meaning of this quote and that meaning ain't bad, with one exception....
If you can't take me at my worst, then you don't deserve me at my best." I'd change that too
if you can take me at my very worst, then you deserve me at my very best.'
That would be even more apt still.
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Posted: 11/9/2009 3:37:20 AM | Compassion ?
I am very compassionate, but like everything else it has limits too. If you're talking about Marilyn's worst. I am sorry to say but it's quite dayum hard to accept hers. But hey that's me. Everybody has different levels of acceptance.
There are millions of women in this country standing on their feet all day, serving people in diners & restaurants. Women without college education making an honest living. I have compassion for those women. I have RESPECT for those women.
Marilyn and people like her (prostitutes, porn actresses, strippers, pimps, drug dealers) they're the smart ones trying to catch easy buck, but rest of us are suckers.
Compassion? Oh yes! compassion my ass.
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