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Posted: 2/11/2010 2:26:31 AM |
Actually I prefer to choose my own match
sorry but you are not qualified to choose your own match. if left to your own devices you would more than likely focus on irrelevant information such as personality and character. you do not know what attributes are important and therefore have no idea what is good for you. it is much better idea that you leave the importance of your future to some strange bloke living in another country because he knows what is best for you.
he is obviously taking your future really seriously and will, in due course, provide you with the information of your correct match. naturally this information will be complete with picture of his head and the last fish he caught.
now just put your income in like a good girl and wait your turn.
gee whizz ive just realised... there actually is a god... his name is markus.. and he talks to us... *swoon* | |
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Posted: 2/11/2010 3:15:29 AM | Miz, if you "really don't see what's so difficult to grasp here", maybe you had better examine your current understanding of the issue, and look for ways it differs from others who are apparently unable to come up with the clarity you seem to have found, rather than implying others (those that disagree with you) aren't as capable as you at grasping points.
Start by looking at the issue of security. Tell me if this doesn't seem to provide a degree of insecurity for those reporting higher incomes. Add that high income to an advanced age or any other number of perceived vulnerabilities, and play the numbers. That's what scammers do. This move is putting PoF users at an advanced risk of being targeted by individuals with bad intent.
Next look at the issue of whether or not this information is being used for any other purposes. Counter the Admin's statement "this is the internet...no one cares about your income" with the statement at http://www.plentyoffish.com/advertising.aspx pasted here:
"POF’s real strength arises from its targeting capabilities. Very few websites can offer in depth, accurate demographic targeting at the same magnitude as POF.
Country/State/Province/City/Age/Gender/Education/[bold]Income[/bold]/Body Type/Ethnicity
Parental Status/Religion/Search type (dating, friends etc)/Car Status/AlcoholConsumption Habits/Job Description"
Did you see Income in there? I sure did. I tried to bold it. Not sure if I got the format right, but it's there. What does this mean? That PoF users are being forced into reporting something that is very personal to them while being misled about the uses of that information. That is odious behavior and deserves an explanation.
Understand now why some think that this is in poor taste? | |
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Posted: 2/11/2010 10:10:33 AM |
Start by looking at the issue of security. Tell me if this doesn't seem to provide a degree of insecurity for those reporting higher incomes. Add that high income to an advanced age or any other number of perceived vulnerabilities, and play the numbers. That's what scammers do. This move is putting PoF users at an advanced risk of being targeted by individuals with bad intent.
no more risk than the fact of saying I'm a single female living alone ......... infact that point makes me more vulnerable than entering an earning figure in a wide bracket.
you would get more feel for my circumstances reading my posts on here than you would seeing which earning band I tick
I'm aware of that ~ I choose to take that *risk*
If I were being asked for my exact salary, and proof of it, I'd have concerns
A generalisation, as has been asked for, I'm not worried about
I don't pay to use this site. They hold no *sensitive* information about me.
They don't know exactly where I live, exactly what I earn or exactly what my bust size is
If I don't like it I'll leave ~ in the meantime I'll play by his rules.
His site, he can do what he wants ............ and if he makes wrong choices that means people decide to leave then it is his loss | |
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Posted: 2/11/2010 11:18:51 AM |
Start by looking at the issue of security.
what risk to security? so someone puts in their earnings -so what.....what exactly is the very worst that could happen to me if I state I earn £1540k a year? As I have previously stated - income is something that is widely asked about on line - is it any more risk here than any where else? No one has asked for exact figures or proof of earnings - I could have entered anything and no one would be any the wiser........and as has been stated time and time again -IT IS NOT VISIBLE ON YOUR PROFILE (sorry for caps but i don't know how to "bold" either)
People have photo's of their children, their cars, houses, they bandy personal information over the forums - they have phone numbers and email addresses on profiles - I fail to see what "risk" there is here at all just because we are asked to pluck a random figure from a list, especially as most people seem to be entering false information anyway. All I see is a huge fuss over nothing.
Of course those who are so affronted by this can always vote with their feet as is their "consumer" rights..........but - as it's a free site I'm not sure we technically count as "consumers" in the first place. | |
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Posted: 2/11/2010 2:17:01 PM | I can't believe that this thread has gone on for so long, its all a case of 'Much ado about nothing'!
Some people should think about changing their screen names to something like 'Para Noyd' or 'Percy Kewshon' 
Members of this site already have an extremely public profile, showing your age, your sex, your marital status, where you live, whether you have kids, what you do for a living, in many cases it shows a photo of you with your home or your car showing very clearly in the background.
Of course, none of this information could be remotely useful to somone who wants to find out about us could it?  Oh no, what they really need to know is what box we ticked on the 'How much do you earn' section.
I ticked a box! It may, or it may not, be an accurate assessment of my income but I'll tell you one thing - only my accountant would know for sure! 
Sorry boys and girls, but I've never read such a load of old bollox in my life as some of these posts! | |
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Posted: 2/12/2010 2:46:52 AM | Miz, thanks for responding to my post in a substantive way. My point about the risk involved ("What's the very worst that could happen to me") isn't really about any sort of individual risk, but rather the aggregate risk involved. You seem to be a rather sophisticated internet user, if judging only by your frequent participation in these forums. Unfortunately, you're in the minority. A large (I would say vast but I don't have my hands on the numbers involved) amount of casual internet users are significantly less sophisticated, and thus unaware of the risks involved with providing information regarding income to a site which has to this point been unwilling or unable to state clearly the alternate uses and security provisions that protect that information.
I'd imagine you'd be unlikely to be caught by a scammer who, based upon their fake PoF profile, had been supplied you as a potential match based upon a falsely reported income, but scammers work by picking what's known in the law field as low hanging fruit. They mine the easy ones who report a high income, and probably send hundreds of ultimately fruitless (to continue the fruit allusion) emails, but only have to fool one individual to have a significant payday. It's important to note that even though invisible on one's profile, the suggested matches provided by PoF will be sorted based upon income, thus while invisible, one may assume that the matches provided by PoF have factored in income.
Simply put, by creating matches based upon income, the site has opened up the opportunity for users with ill intent to sort the wheat from the (low income) chaff. Most users won't bite, but some will, especially considering the usership numbers involved. Targets have been created by the admin's controversial decision to sort matches by income. Those targets will be exploited and some will lose money because of it.
More importantly though (to me, at least), the text that forces a user to update their income if they wish to update their profile is misleading. Further, the statements of the admin in support of those changes have been misleading when viewed with the current advertising solicitation provided by the site, which clearly states that PoF is an effective site to advertise with because it can target users based upon their income. What you're being told by the admin is that the income you report is only used for matches, but the site itself states that PoF can match advertisers to a desired income range. This kind of advertising can command a premium, which PoF is currently reaping at your potential expense while not admitting it to the users it relies upon for revenue. Until the admin either admits that the income information generated by the site is used to target demographics, or shows substantive proof otherwise, it's only fair to assume that the online material used to entice advertisers is correct. And to sum up, that means you're being lied to by the site owner. You as a consumer of a free product may not be bothered by this, but many many users are. People tend not to enjoy being exploited and then told that "this is the internet, no one cares about your income". At least most people do. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2010 5:23:28 AM |
Strider886 :" I think this whole income thing is there to please the Americans on the site, I get a strong impression that income means a lot to American women (am I wrong?)"
No, Strider, unfortunately you are right.
I think i just let the cat out of the bag!
*why are my quotes not working...must be this stupid american server | |
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Posted: 2/15/2010 6:47:00 AM | | What’s too grasp? Straws..? I am now an Airline Pilot who used to be a well known Neurosurgeon, before I moved on. When I was younger, had some top ten hits in the music charts,(mostly Operatic Rap) and made a few James Bond movies while I was playing for Man Utd, naturally, I am in the high earner bracket, and have been put in the intolerable position of having to disclose my earnings here, moreover probably face now being targeted now by unscrupulous gorgeous Bimbo’s who might well want to seduce me into Hotel bedrooms while they record it all on his cam phone, trust me I know the hellish risks involved in divulging so much about my life and my considerable earning, fully cognisant that some of the middle aged women here too will be using all their considerable charms to inveigle me into their schemes and using their ‘experience’ to possibly “land me”, simply because they now know I am loaded...Sadly, it’s the risk we all run when looking for love.. Just hope that people realise the pressure I was put under to expose myself, to admit my income, that I wasn’t at all using it to impress women, my wealth is something I have quarrelled with the Tax man for decades is now in the Public domain ! Alternatively I could of course have lied, and said I was on the breadline,and possibly ruin my chances of getting a leg over situation, but that would also be dishonest, which is clearly and wholly unacceptable here....eh...Get a grip eh.... | |
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Posted: 2/15/2010 6:57:21 AM | I'm now on my third income. This week I have decided to use the income I would have been on if I hadn't quit Health and Safety about 10 years ago. This income matching thing must work cos my 35-50k makes me an apparent match with a stay at home dad and someone who is unemployed. Go figure that one out!!!
Next week my income will grow considerably because in my imagination I will have sold my properties and the value of those will be that months income.
Do I see it as being misleading - not at all, well no more than someone who has dyed their hair from brown to blonde and describing themselves as blonde.
Of course when I catch my financial match according to Fish, I shall quickly lose everything on the stock market but I'll have him hooked by then
Me taking the proverbial out of the matching system - never haha | |
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Posted: 2/15/2010 7:07:06 AM | Income as nothing to do with how wealthy you are,it bears no resemblence to how much spending power you have.
For instance i work 30 hours a week,i take home 850 a month,but my outgoings are just over 400 a month.That leaves me with half my wage 400 plus(spending money).
And no i don't rely on anyone else, i just have a low mortgage due to prudence,and only myself to think about.
I'm the richest guy i know, 45 and it feels like semi -retirement. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2010 7:23:50 AM | | But look on the bright side Robin, you will be matched with women of similar income who also have high outgoings so you will be able to compare bills and HP charges | |
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Posted: 2/15/2010 7:37:36 AM | The type and amount of info you typed in before you logged in could certainly make a good demographic survey statistics. I'll be interested in looking into the stats myself....great for business. hee hee.
I'm not sure how pof would use this for matching, but I never trust any of the matching tools provided here. I'll be a better matching adviser myself. Certainly income is important for some folks, especially in country where it matters....like US. As per UK it is a welfare state, so you talk about 'class' instead. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2010 12:26:34 PM | I can't input my income because they don't have an option for billionaires.
Still, if any gold diggers want to ravage my body with sex, I promise I'll see you properly compensated after the fact. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2010 12:38:52 PM | Well I seriously doubt a male student type will be a match for a young business woman. I myself wouldn't know what to do with such a situation until it happens though.
But thats me. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2010 1:51:15 PM |
Well I seriously doubt a male student type will be a match for a young business woman. I myself wouldn't know what to do with such a situation until it happens though.
depends.....if one likes to have a sugar mummy and some women like to date younger guys...then why not? | |
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Posted: 2/15/2010 2:25:30 PM | | I don't see people's incomes in any case. It must be purely for matching purposes. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2010 5:04:18 PM | On page 7 Admin wrote:
This is the internet, no one cares about your income, least of all advertisers
In his blog, on 17 November 2009, he blogged about 'Plentyoffish Self Service Advertising Platform', and wrote:
Instead of guessing at who your ads will reach you can target based on zip code, age, gender, ethnicity, income, education, profession, if a user drinks, smokes etc etc.
A bit of contradiction in there I feel.
See the blog: http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/ | |
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Posted: 2/17/2010 2:21:55 AM | Good man! Now let's examine this issue further. We've already determined that it's easy to lie about your income and that the data has little or no use in the real world( assuming your intentions are good and you're not a scammer targeting those who report higher incomes).
We've also determined that new changes to to the site provide for greater access by advertisers to a desired income range, whether or not it's made up. Add to this the fact that it's the one of three requirements for a profile to have full use of the site now, along with a face picture as the main picture and the required number of characters in the profile boxes.
The question is, why the income requirement now? Is the imperative for accurate matchmaking so strong that income must be entered, while almost nothing else at all must? Or is this income information being put to another use? Why not require all elements of the profile to be updated in the same way income is? Answer- because only income really matters to most advertisers. I'm sure there are a few advertisers who would like to target certain regions, genders, etc, but as the internet is a global marketplace, there's really only one important number for them- the new number that allows the Admin to command a premium for targeted advertising.
To sum it all up, you've been told one thing (info only used for matchmaking, not visible to others), and logically, it looks like something else entirely. The final question is whether or not you're happy being exploited and misinformed about the use (or uses) your personal information is being put to. Is it too much to expect honesty from someone who wouldn't be making $10,000 a day (in 2006 numbers from Adsense) without the users who draw the advertisers? | |
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Posted: 2/17/2010 10:14:00 AM | | no I don't feel exploited - and the only reason this site is free is because the owner earns his money from advertising. Therefore no advertising = no free site........and I for one would rather have to tick a box to enter an extremely vague reference to my current earnings than have to pay to be a member of this site. | |
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Posted: 2/18/2010 5:06:59 AM | Ok Miss, but does a free site give the site owner a licence to lie to its users about the uses the information provided (and now required) is being to put towards?
Caveat Emptor, and good for you for being a good capitalist, but there's a difference between disclosing the uses of, and security provided behind, the information that defines you on this site and the current status quo: failure to do so on the site's part. Do you at least agree that the Admin's posts have been misleading? Are you not worried that, in the aggregate, individuals will become targets based upon the release of this information? | |
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Posted: 2/19/2010 6:03:06 PM | | I haue just realised i may be classed as a liar. I do not look at income or like telling the world about my own. I assumed it wdnt b visible but used for admin and marketing- so just ticked a fairly average box. oops. | |
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