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Posted: 7/1/2005 7:17:02 AM | I just love the forums...some of the best circular logic you will find anywhere but when one reads through the circle there is much to learn.
My thoughts on this thread, celebrate people, do not ignore their heritage(that would be disrespectful) celebrate their heritage and your own. Never say "I dont see colors in people" that is absurd, of course you see colors unless you are sightless. Celebrate the colors, the differences, the joy, sadness, food, dance, music and lives of everyone you come in contact with. Please DO ignore the bigotry, hatred and ignorance but do so respectfully. A wise friend of mine once told me..."you must respect someones opinion for it matter to you"
Okay...*climbs down off soap box*
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Posted: 7/1/2005 7:33:17 AM | I am black. I have dated white women before and my best freinds are white and we dont even seem to find any difference in our skin color.PEOPLE are PEOPLE. chose who you associate with not by their color,weight or anything but heart. Close this case I say. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2005 8:35:04 PM |
, celebrate people, do not ignore their heritage(that would be disrespectful) celebrate their heritage and your own. Never say "I dont see colors in people" that is absurd, of course you see colors unless you are sightless. Celebrate the colors, the differences, the joy, sadness, food, dance, music and lives of everyone you come in contact with
This I've said and repeated.
Please DO ignore the bigotry, hatred and ignorance but do so respectfully.
This I do not agree with. Ignoring bigotry does not and has never helped. I'd much rather educate an bigot than to ignore him/her. I think its often unwise to ignore bigotry,hatred and racism. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2005 9:25:32 PM | you're the father of how many "mixed" kids? you've personally raised, how many of your own,
I am of Seminole,Dominican,Tiano,Gullah and African descent.What that makes me is a proud AfricanAmerican which means mixed race person of African descent. A can of mixed nuts is a can of mixed nuts regardless of the makeup or estimated percentage of cashews to peanuts to walnuts.
I have raised 3 children 2 by myself. I have worked with children and families for 20 yrs. I have seen or experienced perhaps every concievable scenario of raising children.Two of the children I raised have a white(German/Argentinian) mother and an AfricanAmerican father.I rasied them to be multilingual,they have full knowledge of their heritage and now 1 has his own family(wife 2 children).I am reminded by them that part of their strength as men comes from the fact that I taught them to be proud of what they are,instilled in them a knowledge of self and history and a desire to embrace culture early.We all mourn the death of thier father.I am proud to say and they are proud to exclaim that they are strong young AfricanAmerican men.My baby sister was adopted at the age of 3 by my parents when I was 16 and my parents 60. I helped raise her. Her mother is AfricanAmerican her father is white (Irish)she is a wonderful beautiful AfricanAmerican woman.AfricanAmerican=mixed race person of African descent.Honestly, race was never an negative incidental issue because they had knowledge early and would actually help educate TEACHERS as well as classmates.Of course,they delt with those from opposing teams who name called during sporting events
The closest thing to an issue about race growing up is when my nephew was in HS(so.yr) and a question was asked by a student to the teacher about Africa during a discussion of Greece.The teacher went on to say that cultures developed differently and some more slowly than others.When the teacher left it at that. My then 14yo nephew raised his hand and informed the teacher and students of the historical timeline of what was going on in Africa in 2000-1000 bc.The lesson stuck as another teacher confided in me that the teacher went into the lounge and told everyone my nephew was a "show off".The confidence my nephew had from this experience only grew as his knowledge actually helped dispell misconceptions.He was never physically assulted as I would not have permitted it,nor would I allow him to allow others to belittle him in anyway.I chose to make sure that they were not babes in an hostile environment so coupled with knowledge of self/history I made sure their early years were not environments of which the overwelming majority were white.
That nephew is now an attorny who specializes in international law.His brother is currently playing minor league baseball and should recieve his BA next spring. My sister is now a professor at UW.
Riasing AfricanAmerican children even those with a white or asian parent is no different from raising an AfricanAmerican child in which both parents are AfricanAmerican......mixed is mixed..doesn't matter the percentage.No 1 can look in the mirror and tell PERCENTAGE. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2005 8:05:57 AM | it's nice to know that you can speak first hand and you're lucky to not have had the negative experiences my son and i have had over the years. BUT... it is not appropriate for you to dub these "mixed" children as "african american" as if none of their other racial make up is significant. looking in the mirror, my son does not consider himself african american anymore than i consider myself italian american when i look in the mirror. the mirror you look into is clouded with this racial plague i just don't understand.
american is not a race. your ethnic background is not american. it's your citizenship that is american. i'm an american citizen but i am italian by way of my gene pool. and if you'll notice... it's only "african americans" that dub themselves this... you don't hear any other race do this but blacks... and i think it's wrong. greek people who are american citizens don't go around calling themselves greek americans. japanese people don't call themselves japanese americans... h-e-l-l, my own father doesn't consider himself "african american." he considers himself "black". his family heritage doesn't involve any ancestors from africa that he knows of and not even he knows why people are so offended by the term "black." he doesn't actually pay anymore attention to the fact that he's black than anyone else in our family, his sister, her kids, her grandkids, none of them behave this way and i wasn't raised to either. i know i'm not offended by being considered or called "white." this has all just go to stop. people should be proud of who they are and stop trying to label and re-label themselves... this is one reason racisim still exists. we allow it and feed into it whether we realize it or not and it's just got to stop and stopping it starts with you. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2005 3:05:54 PM |
negative experiences my son and i have had over the years
Everyone has different experiences,I believe part of the reason mine are different is that I grew up in an evironment where most of the people around me looked like me. I was reading by the time I went to school and knew about my culture and heritage before any history class.I passed that to those around me then and now.I am a child of the 60's I personaly expereiced incidents of racism.This is a reason I was aware used my awareness to protect those I had custody of.I also gave them awareness. My experiences growing up in the 60's and 70's were most likely worse than any your son has faced.This too is why I say I speak from experience.My point is I have seen this from sides you cannot and could not.
it is not appropriate for you to dub these "mixed" children as "african american" as if none of their other racial make up is significant
This is an easy point to make,I have made it well before.
1)I do NOT call ALL people of ANY racial mixture AfricanAmerican-this I've made clear AfricanAmerican=mixed race people of an African descent.Eurasians are mixed "race",the collective majority seem to be find with the label and because of that so am I.This leads to point
2)People have the right to determine what they should be called or labeled for themselves as a collective.Therefore IF you were an AfricanAmerican you may have a voice of credence on this issue.You are not.It would be wise to try to understand instead of superimposing.
3)Being AfricanAmerican doesn't mean someone doesn't consider their heritage significant. I have said on MANY occasions, I am an AfricanAmerican of Seminole,Dominican,Gullah,Tiano and other African heritage. It cannot mean I find any of my bloodlines to not be significant.I honestly believe that it is a racist mentality to believe otherwise.This point is a simple 1 if AfricanAmerican means mixed race person of African descentIt makes those of Irish,Cherokee,Italian,Polish,Indian,Navaho or whatever who have ALSO an African bloodline a mixed race person/people with an African bloodline. Simple.
it's only "african americans" that dub themselves this... you don't hear any other race do this but blacks... and i think it's wrong. greek people who are american citizens don't go around calling themselves greek americans. japanese people don't call themselves japanese americans.
Here you are 100% Wrong and varifiably so. Simply do a search on GreekAmericans,JapaneeseAmericans,NativeAmericans,and even ItalianAmericans and you'll come back with hundreds of listings of organizations and induviduals who use the hypenated American label. Is it only AfricanAmericans? NO, Clearly NO!
Let me even go further.....you say your stepfather is an AfricanAmerican who calls himself "black" which is fine,some NativeAmericans call themselves "indian",but this is another point.When you look at his picture.....is he black in color? You said he is a mixed race man of African descent, does "black" indentify his physical appearence and and cutural or genetic pool and heritage well? How about negro,for surely there was a time that he was classified as a negro.
Now,does mixed race man of an African descent BETTER describe who and what he is to you? if not. ....why? Don't think in terms of the label AfricanAmerican, just the deffinition I have supplied.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 3:17:48 PM | | My feelings on interacial dating are that we all belong to the human family and at least in my eyes we are all equal and the same.Every color ,culture,ethnic variety and religion belong to the same species so I will date absolutely anyone regardless of the differences between us.The differences should be celebrated and we all have something to learn from each other and to teach each other.If you went into a candy store would you just sample the flavour you know or would you want to sample every flavour in the store?The latter would be my choice because I want to use my senses to their full advantage in this lifetime .Lifes too short to stick to antiquated and outdated beliefs about dating and there should be no rules. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2005 4:25:22 PM | Correction!!!!!!!!! regarding this statement---> a black man carrying the sickle cell trait who has a child with any other race, white comes to mind, automatically stamps that gene out of his bloodline by mixing "breeds" because sickle cell anemia is a gene defect found primarily amongst black men. no, that's not said in a negative tone either. that's exactly when "mixing breeds" would be a good thing if you're considering having children. sickle cell anemia is not something you want to pass through your blood line.
THE TRUTH regarding sickle cell--->It is particularly common among people whose ancestors come from sub-Saharan Africa; Spanish-speaking regions (South America, Cuba, Central America); Saudi Arabia; India; and Mediterranean countries such as Turkey, Greece, and Italy. In the Unites States, it affects around 72,000 people, most of whose ancestors come from Africa. The disease occurs in about 1 in every 500 African-American births and 1 in every 1000 to 1400 Hispanic-American births. About 2 million Americans, or 1 in 12 African Americans, carry the sickle cell trait.
Sickle Cell is NOT just a black thing!!!!! jeez!!!! and 2 say that sickle cell isn't something u don't wanna pass thru ur bloodline is offensive,is having cancer a much better choice? it's been known 2 carry thru gene's... & something that's even more offensive is when u compare breeding dogs 2 humans...c'mon now!!! know ur facts b4 making accusations...this isn't said 2 bash anyone or have any negative feelings,but give my brotha's a break! they go thru enough crap as it is,I encourage other 2 "educate" themselves b4 pointing their fingers w/out knowing the "truth"! | |
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Posted: 7/2/2005 5:14:30 PM | if you re-read my statement regarding sickle cell xoticdeeva, you'll see i said it is "primarily" found, not "found only" in black men. and it's the same with cancer or any other disease or birth defect. if you know you have a genetic disorder you could possibly pass down to your children, you should carefully consider having children before you make such a life long choice for someone else. i know i wouldn't have wanted to be brought into this world if my mom or dad's family had a history of any genetic disorder or history or life threatening diseases such as cancer, luekemia, cerebalpalsy, etc. that would have been pretty damn selfish of my parents to do to me if that were the case. i happend to use sickle cell because it was something i could relate to, in that, my son's grandfather had sickle cell and before i went on with my pregnancy, i informed my doctor of that and he assured me my son would not be affected. sickle cell is nothin' to fool with, that's for sure. i also said... comparing humans to dogs wasn't the BEST example but it was one I could relate to and offer as a comparison. i guess you missed that when you fired one off at me miss thang. ;)
"give the brotha's a break!" you say... PUHLEASE! give us other than black folks a break already. as if we aren't forced to go through every bit of what you go through and more.... don't get me started... save it for a whole nother thread honey cause it doesn't belong here. actually, it's not a topic that's open for discussion on my end. i also encourage people to educate themselves and to read more carefully before they snap off at any given white chick for having an opinion on something that affects her too. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2005 7:13:42 PM |
"give us other than black folks a break already. as if we aren't forced to go through every bit of what you go through and more.."
Hmmm...so then,what your son experienced is little compared to what most white kids have experiences? If so, why would you think interracial dating requires some additional thought do to what the children may go through?......but actually....I'm still waiting on an intelligent and HONEST response to my eariler post.
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Posted: 7/2/2005 7:30:01 PM | i guess you missed that when you fired one off at me miss thang. ;)
"give the brotha's a break!" you say... PUHLEASE! give us other than black folks a break already. as if we aren't forced to go through every bit of what you go through and more.... don't get me started... save it for a whole nother thread honey cause it doesn't belong here. actually, it's not a topic that's open for discussion on my end. i also encourage people to educate themselves and to read more carefully before they snap off at any given white chick for having an opinion on something that affects her too.
Miss Thang????? lol...me snapping/firing at u? I think not!I gave an opinion as u did...along w/some facts! primarily means (chiefly & mainly)...is still a wrong accusation regarding sickle cell & black men, & 2 say that my thread(opinon) doesn't belong here( save it for a whole nother thread honey cause it doesn't belong here.)<-----is what "U" posted 2 me....that's not ur decision 2 make,if u don't like it don't read it,we're all on here 2 express our opinions whether some agree w/it or not.My comment regarding giving brutha's a break is in regards 2 ur false statement regarding sickle cell or didn't u read that? lol
I can relate 2 sickle cell as well,and people who have sickle cell or the trait r not affected the same,as far as u being white,I wouldn't care if u were beamed down by aliens,this isn't about color,it's about a statement that was posted w/out having "truth" behind it,or didn't u re-read my earlier post? lol OH! I also stated that I wasn't on here 2 bash anyone,I bet u missed reading that 2... | |
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Posted: 7/2/2005 8:31:55 PM | | Marathonman: I've noticed from your posts that you do not have a big understanding of the scientific definition of race. I was like this too back in the day, thinking race was more of a cultural artififact than anything truly substantial. However I suggest you do some research on things such as new drugs that are racially targetted, or genetic links between native americans and current siberian populations. Very interesting stuff and all genetically based. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2005 12:03:42 AM | your earlier post wasn't anything i needed to respond to marathon... you just keep saying the same old things over and over and i'm not going to go around in circles with you or your little buddy X. ;) quite frankly is bores me to talk to people like the two of you because it's the same drama, different day... heard it all before... *yawns & stretches, on to new thread* maybe the two of you ought to get together and cure the world of all the racism that exists. i'll keep my eye out for your crusade.
here's a correction for ya miss thang... but don't read too fast, pay close attention to the first sentence in the second paragraph and you might just find the TRUTH.
"Researcher Gives an Encouraging Update on Sickle Cell Disease
By Jane Schwanke
WebMD Medical News
Oct. 18, 1999 (Washington) -- Parents of children with sickle cell disease have reason to be optimistic and encouraged, according to experts. "During the past 25 years, research studies have made inroads into increasing the life expectancy, preventing complications, and managing the disease," says Clarice Reid, MD. She presented her findings here recently at the 69th annual meeting of the American Academy of Pediatrics.
Sickle cell disease, also known as sickle cell anemia, is an inherited disorder and is seen almost entirely in blacks. Close to 10% of blacks have a minor form, known as sickle cell trait, that usually does not lead to any symptoms. However, in those with the more severe form of the disorder, the symptoms usually begin during childhood and include pain in certain areas of the body, such as multiple joints and the chest, but also can lead to strokes, heart attacks, and gall bladder disease at a young age. The pain and the more serious consequences of sickle cell disease occur because of the red blood cells changing shape and getting stuck in the blood vessels. Oxygen and nutrients subsequently cannot get to the various areas of the body. The abnormal red blood cells then burst, causing the blood count to fall, which often leads to severe anemia.
One of the most significant advances in sickle cell disease research, according to Reid, has been the development of the drug hydroxyurea. "Hydroxyurea has helped decrease painful episodes, hospitalizations, and transfusion requirements in adults," says Reid. In addition, some studies are now looking at the use of penicillin to prevent pain in the chest due to sickle cell attacks. Researchers are "cautiously optimistic," Reid tells WebMD. Reid is the former research director of the National Institutes of Health.
Reid presented data from major studies performed during the past 25 years that clearly indicate children are growing into adulthood and living longer, more productive lives. Today, 85% of children with sickle cell disease live beyond age 20. The average age at death for females is 48 and for males is 42.
"Now that we know that patients are living longer, we need to prepare them for family planning, vocations, and life," Reid says. "That's not something we were able to look at 25 years ago. [Then] we didn't have cause for optimism. Today, we need to encourage kids to be ambitious and prepare for college -- they can do anything they want to do with this disease.
"Parents need to keep up to date on the latest advances, research, and services so that they can be advocates for their children," Reid says. "They need to work to become part of the health care team along with the nurses and doctors so that if emergencies arise, [they'll] be ready."
Other major studies have looked at preventing stroke, a devastating event that can lead to irreversible brain damage. One study, according to Reid, showed that blood transfusions can prevent stroke in kids at risk. "As important as this advance is, it requires that we confront issues involving blood transfusion, which in turn carry unique problems," Reid says, citing hepatitis and iron overload. Studies in stem cell transplantation, gene therapy, and the use of cord blood are also underway.
"This is exciting news," Doris L. Wethers, MD, of the pediatric department at St. Luke's-Roosevelt Comprehensive Sickle Cell Program in New York City, tells WebMD. "There has been a general escalation in emerging [studies] that has resulted in real reductions in the [prevalence of the disease] and in mortality. Our hope is that future studies will continue to show favorable results."
"These cutting-edge [advances] are encouraging, and it's reassuring to know that the results of trials conducted with adults are transferring to children," Phyllis Harris, MD, tells WebMD. Harris is with the department of pediatrics at George Washington University in Washington.
Most recent advances in sickle cell disease are moving toward developing more effective therapies that are less toxic to children, Reid says. Use of hydroxyurea, although very helpful in treating sickle cell disease, is somewhat limited due to its side effect of suppressing the bone marrow.
Reid also says that the development of a patient network would also be helpful so that children with sickle cell disease across the country can be included in larger trials.
For more information about sickle cell disease, Reid suggests calling the American Pain Society at (847) 375-4715 and recommends reading "Guidelines for the Management of Acute and Chronic Pain in Sickle Cell Disease."
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Posted: 7/3/2005 1:48:26 AM | Opposites
Black, White,
White, Black,
So opposite,
So alike.
For flesh, is flesh,
And bone is bone,
It’s the thoughts with-in,
That make us one.
Tall, Short,
Short, Tall,
More opposite,
More alike.
For love, is love,
And desire is desire,
Outer appearances
Matter none.
More
I am more than my color,
as you will surely see.
I am caring, intelligent,
and as diverse as can be.
I am more than my gender,
do you want to know me?
I have a brain, a heart,
and soul to be free.
Only by learning to accept differences and actually celebrate them will the world ever become a better place. I believe God made us different colors so we could show Him we are as accepting as he is. Only when we can overcome small mindedness and accept everyone equally will we ever be truely worthy of the ultimate love. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2005 10:31:46 AM | Pool anyone, those words couldn't come at a better time!!!
I've BEEN "bored" w/ur comments kitty  ,ur "bitter" & it SHOWS!!!!! this topic is about "Interracial Dating" & not "I have a son w/a black man & I'm angry"...all you've been posting so far is how ur son is being affected in a negative way (being called the "n" word)because he's mixed,that is something u should've considered b4 u layed down w/his father.
Calling black men "Primary" carriers of a blood disorder(which STILL isn't true) yet comparing them 2 dogs,though u say it's a bad way 2 use an example,so y even do it in the 1st place?????
Can u say anything positive about a black man you've been with???? oh wait! don't bother 2 answer cuz I'm not listenin. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2005 10:56:32 AM | Here's something I thought would be interesting 2 share.
For many years, dating outside one's race, religion or culture was unacceptable. Some believed it to be sinful; others disagreed out of ignorance.
However, trends have changed and interracial relationships are fast growing. In 1990, the United States Census Bureau statistics indicated that 5.8 percent of African Americans, 70.6 percent of American Indians, 28.7 percent of Asians and 23.2 percent of other groups dated outside their race.
According to the July 12, 1998 issue of Eagle Tribune, available at http://andovertownsman.com, the USCB statistics show that the number of interracial marriages has increased from 651,000 in 1980 to 1.3 million in 1996, including 337,000 black-white couples and 884,000 white and other races.
A report from College Student Journal, from a survey conducted at East Carolina University in North Carolina, reveals that almost half of their students (49.6 percent) reported that they were open to interracial relationships. Over 92 percent of those who had already dated interracially were willing to do so again.
When asked if she preferred dating Caucasians such as her boyfriend Ryan, Dyon Holland, a Mason sophomore, said, "I really do not prefer any race in particular. I just look at the person. That is how it should be."
Following are some tips for interracial dating.
1. Step outside your comfort zone: Often, people are afraid to try new things because they are accustomed to what they know. Be open to the people you may encounter to explore other opportunities.
2. Ignore language barriers: If you have a little crush on someone that does not quite speak your language, there are plenty of language dictionaries and "Languages for Dummies"-style books to assist you. Remember that a smile is universal! Everyone understands the meaning of a smile.
3. Expand your outlook: The actual date may seem to be the hardest part. People have certain preferences when it comes to foods, activities and family socials. Be open-minded and understanding. The whole purpose is to expand your outlook and thoughts. Instead of seeing it through your own eyes, see it through someone else's.
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Posted: 7/3/2005 11:33:28 AM | quote]Marathonman: I've noticed from your posts that you do not have a big understanding of the scientific definition of race.
Eddie,I noticed from that post that you do not have any understanding of my post nor the concept,history nor "definition of race". You could be refering to various things but due to your lack of specifics it makes discussion impossible doesn't it? In fact,it limits your post to a childish "you don't know what you are talking about" type statement without ANYTHING to back or base it upon.Does "white""black" sound like "scientific definitions or labels/groupings of race to YOU? Surely,you are intelligent enough to know that if you have information that is relevant to interracial dating or racial classification that is contrary to something posted the intelligent thing to do would be to post it.IF there is something you disagree with quote it,or state exactly what it is and why you disagree.If you have relevant information I and most others welcome it....but you must BRING IT.
Now,now now badkitty...lol...it is clear from the 5th page that you inquired of me,addressed me directly.Once I dismantled your "dispute" you run Interesting that a white woman without knowledge of the history nor culture of a people would even begin to think of herself to be of some authority on what a people should call themelves(re:"I have issue with"). I wonder if there is an episode of All in the Family,in which Archie Bunker refused to acknowledge that calling Asians "oriental" and NativeAmericans "indian" dispite THEM telling and showing him how inappropriate, inadequate and flawed the terms were........SAME MENTALITY My last 2 post (as well as previous post) are clear,if you wish to stay in Bunker mode you may.Interesting that instead,you made a post (slanted I might add) about sickle cell.
OT:People are people,but racism still exist. Of course it would since the basis of it is ignorance.The racially descriminatory laws were not erased until the 50's-60's.Practices still remain.The residue of the ignorace and misconception of nearly 400 yrs of institutionalized racism has not gone in a mere 40yrs.The key to tolerence is knowledge and UNDERSTANDING.When 1 group or members of it feels or believes its right to determine what another group should be called,it is nothing short of evidence of the residue,arrogance and ignorace of racism. Are there many Chinese that believe that what they wish to call whites in English is more relevant than what whites choose to call themselves? I doubt it. That is in fact the very root of intolerence.In interracial dating,a key is to check the attitude and intolerance at the door and LEARN from the culture and heritage of others. The points I make are 1)cultural/heritage education is extremely important,the willingness and desire to learn about the person you intend to date should include learning more about their culture and history
2)The most widely used system of racial classification is Eurocentric and flawed from its inception.Unlike in most systems of classification there is more variation WITHIN "race" than BETWEEN "race" because the concept and even much more so the system of classification is flawed majorly.People can be grouped as "races" in many different ways.
3)this brings us to the point that PEOPLE are PEOPLE,if a label must be used for WHATEVER purpose,each group certainly has the right to choose its own "label".
4)Understanding comes from WILLINGNESS and DESIRE for it.Without it intolerance remains with ignorace as its root.
The ONLY time these things are difficult is when intolerance is so entrenched,the willingness to learn and regain/explore a more panoramic perspective is nullified by ignorance/stupidity.
As humans,we MUST overcome.Interracial dating is NOT necessarily a sign of overcoming but it certainly isn't bad in of itself. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2005 12:48:37 PM | | Anyone that is against dating or "breeding" with people that are not of their race is racist.It does'nt matter that you are yellow,black,white or green.If you are against inter-racial dating you are a racist.Some of the worst racist comments I've heard have come from non-whites.You don't have to be white to be a racist and clearly you don't have to be white to be ignorant either.Being non-racist takes an open mind and clearly some of your minds are about as shut as it gets.Its absolutely utterly stupid to argue who is a darker or lighter shade of black or white or yellow.Look in the mirror.hopefully you'll see a human being. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2005 4:29:19 PM | Marathonman: No I was simply noting that throughout your posts you seem to imply race as a cultural artifact or artificial construction. Which sorry to say is simply not true, I was just pointing that out that race does have relevance outside of cultural construction. Words such as "black, white" do actually have scientific relevance, and as such can perhaps be used to choose a potential mate. Evidence of the scientific (genetic) definition of race is noted (and "backed up") by things like sickle cell, a new heart medication that is made for "blacks," genetic analysis of lineage that relates asiatic peoples with native americans etc. I can site more evidence that basically indicates race is a very real thing and not as subjective as you may think. Unfortunately race is such a touchy subject that most scientific experiments that have examined racial differences in the past but have been shot down for political reasons. However the evidence is there and one has only to do a bit of research to find it.
Of course the implication here is that from a scientific viewpoint things such as cultural heritage are irrelavant, another implication is that when choosing a mate/dating perhaps race is should be relevant in the decision making process. Touchy subject yes, irrelavant no. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2005 4:34:30 PM | | eddie... you're exactly right on every point you touched on and especially the "touchy subject" part of this whole thread. it's too bad people can't have an intelligent conversation without taking things out of context and being hyper sensitive. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2005 5:02:38 PM |
Any "positive" interracial dating stories?
Just as any date I have been on the interracial ones have good stories to tell as well as bad ones. Skin color doesn't not dictact how "good" or "bad" someone is.
As far as children being teased because of their bloodline; all kids get teased about something. It's how they are taught to handle it that counts. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2005 6:06:36 PM | uhmmm I'm confused....I thought we were all from the same race: human.
If you're talking about stuff like humans + Donkeys or Human + Sheep then I'm against it for myself but if it floats your boat then who am I to tell you what to do in the comfort of your own farm....
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| Interracial Dating....
Posted: 7/3/2005 7:29:01 PM | Words such as "black, white" do actually have scientific relevance, and as such can perhaps be used to choose a potential mate.
This is 1 of the areas in which you are misinformed. Just look and think.My post have always consistantly identified "back" "white" as labels. You seem to think the WORD "black" has sceintific value.YOu could NOT be MORE misinformed. THINK,use another word for either and any socialogical or medical/genetic relavance would still apply. Try it....THINK. Your use and knowledge of the word is far too superficial and lacks simple information that is easily gathered..Let me spell it out further. Use the word "regals" for "blacks" and any information on sickel cell would come say sickel cell affects over 250 million people worldwide,it is most often found in those of SubSaharan Africa,medditeranean Europeans,Turks,Latinos and Indians.Approximately 10% of "regals" in the USA have the sickel cell trait active or recessive.
Do you get the point?It really is quite simple. All it requires is for you to think and try to understand.This point was made many times over in other post.There is NO sceintific value in the WORD as it relates to race. This is a VERY simple point.
No I was simply noting that throughout your posts you seem to imply race as a cultural artifact or artificial construction
I asked you to bring something of relavance to the table. If there is something I stated that you disagree with PLEASE, state EXACTLY what was said or quote it. I cannot account for how you "feel" or what "seems" without knowing exactly to what statement you refer.Now, why not go back and find 1 or 2 of the things I stated that gave you this impression.
This is the 1st lesson.I wish for you to stay focused so that we can concentrate issue at a time. I will go back to the rest of your post after you show understanding of these things.
Touchy subject yes
Touchy to some? yes....not touchy when you have an informed point of view.If you can stick to a topic,I really think many can be enlightened,from the dispelling of misconceptions.Just think and be OPEN to understanding.
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