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 salamander000
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The "living wage" in the county in Kansas that I live it $9.40. Most companies do not pay the recommended "living wage" here in this county, Some government offices do, but waitresses are still being paid $2.10-$3.40 and hour and to rely customers tips to make up the difference. Why?

but in Namibia (africa) is $1 a week.

Explain it? I can't fathom either.
 CheLuna
Joined: 7/7/2010
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Posted: 7/16/2010 2:26:39 PM

Slavery wasn't abolished, it was just disguised by degree...


Good one, Late!
 hellofla
Joined: 6/7/2010
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Posted: 7/19/2010 7:01:40 PM
It's a rich man's world..........unlesss you're hungry like Eddy Van Halen was ....you're not going to make it.
 KCCal
Joined: 6/20/2010
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Posted: 7/19/2010 7:59:55 PM
I have two main philosophies
"If you're working 4o hours per week, you're part time"
"If you're$making minimum wage and not looking for work like you're unemployed, you've given up your right to complain."

Companies pay their employees for the value they bring to the hour, not for the value of their hour. Some positions bring more value than others. The average wage of a Walmart employee is $11.70 per hour. That's not bad in my book. People complain who complain about Walmart's wages then turn around and compare them to the average wage of all retail sales jobs whose average wage runs roughly over $12.00. Here's the thing, those other sales jobs include jobs like selling jewelry, furniture, and cell phones that have mark ups in four digits. These people are commissioned, and can earn a pretty penny. I once made $40,000 selling furniture, and in college I made $20 per hour selling computers and cellphones.
 hyoid
Joined: 5/12/2009
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Posted: 7/24/2010 8:38:10 PM

Why is the min wage so low in the US??


Because it's even lower in China.
 starmaiden35
Joined: 5/10/2007
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Posted: 7/24/2012 4:42:09 AM
Ok flyguy-

That is simply not true! I am a grown adult. I used to make a decent salary before the economy went bad, plus I was able to earn a bonus check every other month to help with expenses. After the economy went bad, I lost my job, only to get another earning a little less and was laid off from that one due to downsizing. The only job I could find was one making minimum wage. I even tried to change careers by taking some courses at the college and after I graduated from that program, I still was only making minimum wage because I was starting at the bottom in that career! So I am stuck with two part time jobs to make one full time and they both only pay minimum wage!
So, no it is ridiculous to expect people to live in this salary. I also have tons more experience that a lot of the younger people working at the same job, but because I am new that is what I started at.
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
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Posted: 7/24/2012 5:33:56 AM
There should be no mandated minimum wage people should be able to negotiate a wage..by implementing a minimum wage employers can point to that and say this is what the Government says I can pay you....on the other hand because of our tax laws and workman's comp and what not employers have to pay close to double that in order to pay minimum wage to an employee...
 robin-hood
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Posted: 7/24/2012 6:46:29 AM
Star Maiden,

The profession listed on your profile, is this the current or past ?
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 7/24/2012 10:09:22 AM
The minimum wage is too *high.* If it didn't exist, and entry-level wages were set by an open labor market, there would be a lot fewer young people without jobs in this country. Like rent control, the minimum wage is a well-meaning but dumb idea that does a lot of harm--especially to the young and the nonwhite.

Most people who start at a low wage move up before long, at least if they do a good job. And keep moving up. But to hear the sob sisters tell it, you'd think they were all stuck at the bottom forever.
 want to travel
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Posted: 7/24/2012 10:35:14 AM
anyone who 'thinks' the minimum wage, is a bad idea, or too high, should be made to go work it for a year or two
and yes I meen in north america
I worked very hard to get to where I am in life
but, a lot of people just do not have the opportunities I had, or if they do, they dont take it...


honest work, should be respected,that was the american dream, not have the biggest house, on the block
but have enough!
in the last couple of decades the middle, and working class have been disapering
people are becoming more and more heartless, and a lot more selfish
how many people take time, and give it to the poor
not many
I know, I always have set time, aside for charity, and frankly, i just do not see the well off helping
 flyguy51
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Posted: 7/24/2012 10:45:20 AM
Starmaiden:

Ok flyguy-

That is simply not true!

I looked back at my vintage post and still don't see what the problem is. What is not true? With all the other anti minimum wage posts, you take issue with mine? Here's my post again:

In the US, the minimum wage isn't really meant to be a living wage, from what I can tell. It is simply the lowest wage one can legally earn. It is mostly for kids who are still supported by their parents and people trying to get their shoe in the door, perhaps. Many people depend upon tips in addition to their low wage.

If you are a grown adult earning solely minimum wage with no other prospects? Well, you haven't played your cards right employment wise or have run into some very bad luck.

It doesn't conflict with anything you have said. Did you catch the "very bad luck" part?
 GreenThumbz18
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Posted: 7/24/2012 11:14:06 AM
Does everyone understand the definition of "minimum" ? It means "the least."
Would anyone here accept the least boyfriend/girlfriend , the least happiness, the least intelligence, the least housing, the least education?
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 7/24/2012 12:16:42 PM
personally i think you should earn a decent living wage for doing 40 hours per week. instead of
opting to do 60 hours. the other 20 hours could be allocated to a part time worker.

here in the uk though we have this directive

Working time limits (the 48-hour week)
Find out about your right to not have to work more than 48 hours a week on average, unless you choose to or work in a sector with its own rules. Your normal working hours should be set out in your employment contract or written statement of employment particulars.

The weekly maximum working hours
Usually adult workers cannot be forced to work more than 48 hours a week on average - this is normally averaged over 17 weeks. You can work more than 48 hours in one week, as long as the average over 17 weeks is less than 48 hours per week.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/employment/employees/workinghoursandtimeoff/dg_10029426

you can of course choose to opt out of the 48 hour agreement.

our national minimum wage rates are below. i used to think it was a good thing but no longer.
it just means bosses can cut wages with the governments blessing. although most public sector
cushy non jobs are not affected by the infux we had from eastern europe*

There are different levels of NMW, depending on your age and whether you are an apprentice. The current rates (from 1 October 2011) are:

£6.08 - the main rate for workers aged 21 and over
£4.98 - the 18-20 rate
£3.68 - the 16-17 rate for workers above school leaving age but under 18
£2.60 - the apprentice rate, for apprentices under 19 or 19 or over and in the first year of their apprenticeship

If you are of compulsory school age you are not entitled to the NMW. Some of your other employment rights are also different.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/employment/employees/thenationalminimumwage/dg_10027201

* EU INFLUX MEANS OUR YOUNGSTERS CANNOT FIND JOBS
But the only realistic way to bring youth unemployment back down to 2004 levels is to reduce the influx of European labour until the jobs emergency is over and the political class has so far shown no inclination of doing so because it certainly would contravene EU law.

It would also upset employers who have become used to a limitless supply of keen young Eastern Europeans willing to work hard for relatively low pay.

Yet because most are doing low-wage work, send a large proportion of earnings home and qualify for taxpayer-funded healthcare and free schooling for their offspring, their presence is of negligible overall economic benefit.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/294618/EU-influx-means-our-youngsters-cannot-find-jobs/
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 7/24/2012 1:51:30 PM
well in a way i agree with you paul but the way the nation works would
have to change.

we are always told that as fathers we never spend enough time with our bairns. working
60 hour weeks only means that we will never get the time to spend with the wee yins

again unless self employed what are the incentives to work 60 hour weeks? getting
paid an overtime rate is virtually impossible now as hourly rates have been cut during
the economic crisis

and if you are self employed and working 60/70 hour weeks whats the incentive?
we already get taxed to the limit over here. so you work cash in hand

if possible i will always work in the black economy. the reason being if i can help in a total
meltdown of the current system then i shall.

but

and now this. a politician talking about morality

Tradesmen's anger over cash-in-hand claims
Tradesmen have accused the Government of letting them down after David Gauke, a Treasury minister, criticised those who accepted cash-in-hand payments in order to cheat the tax man.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/consumertips/tax/9422946/Tradesmens-anger-over-cash-in-hand-claims.html

maybe the twat should have a word with his wife

For the record Mrs Gauke - aka Linklaters-trained solicitor Rachel Gauke - does specialise in corporate tax law. In other words, she is trained to offer legal tax avoidance advice to large companies.

http://www.channel4.com/news/public-fury-over-treasurys-tax-morality-lecture

people in glass houses etc. but if you have a 2 income household then why can someone
not be employed 20 hours if they are making enough to live on? someone nearing retirement
age would maybe enjoy getting out the house and working but not the full week.

anything is possible it just takes the will to change
 pescando75
Joined: 3/23/2012
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Posted: 7/24/2012 2:01:50 PM
It's not a popular position to argue from, but I have heard analysis how minimum wage actually hurts those most who could use employment and a true living wage.

If the government mandates you *must* pay at least ___ per hr.,
do you:

A.) Hire anyone that can do the job, regardless?
B.) Be selective and get the most qualified person who can do the job and still get paid squat?
C.) Outsource to another country altogether?

How many "A." answers are we seeing these days?

Couple this with higher than average unemployment of minorities, and I think we see once again who bears the brunt of minimum wage policy, like so many other laws meant to "help" and "protect." Save us, Government!
 usernonymous
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Posted: 7/24/2012 11:00:30 PM
The minimum wage is seen in two ways. Those who support it often see it as a living wage for long term employment meant to provide a minimum standard of living to all citizens of the country, if they choose to work.

Meanwhile other people see these jobs as unskilled labor not meant for long term employment and hence do not agree with a minimum wage because they see minimum wage as a inhibitor for future personal growth and development, as well as a limiter of low end job creation (a job they feel is worth $4 hour will only create half the amount of employees if the minimum wage is set at $8).

I don't believe that without a minimum wage, that wages would suddenly go down to $1/hour as some here have suggested. The fact is that supply and demand that makes up the employment market would limit $1/hour jobs (as no one would ever take it due to the availabilty of other jobs paying more).

I fall a little more on the latter as well. I feel that a minimum wage is not needed because many unskilled jobs are often temporary (such as in the service industry) and with people right to job mobility (get educated or trained and get a better job) and collectively bargain, I feel that the market tends to work itself out.

Then again. I am a bit of a libertarian.
 Consigliori
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Posted: 7/25/2012 1:15:55 PM

I find it hard to feel sorry for those who are the last person to work, and the first person out, and take too much time at lunch.


Lol. Let’s go play a round of golf and talk about that. The gals can keep the doors open while we chat.
Why is the min wage so low in the US??
Posted: 7/25/2012 10:02:23 PM
America has a lot of stupid people who need to be employed. To see how it works, go into any Macdonalds restaurant. They'll have at least 4 employees operating cash registers, so when one of the illiterate retards presses the wrong picto-gram and disables his register, they still have 3 working registers sending orders to the kitchen. You could run the same size restaurant with four or five well-motivated, literate, English-speaking individuals and pay them a higher wage. But the odds of that happening here are like 100 to 1. Even among college graduates, the majority are functionally illiterate. I've had guys work for me who can't even read a tape measure.

We're also very lazy. I chose to work in construction because I wanted to learn a trade that I could do myself. Young people today aren't interested in blue collar jobs, so these industries have been taken over by foreigners for whom $8 an hour is good money. I remember when you could get a job in a meat packing plant and make $12-14 to start with a decent pay scale. That was 20 years ago. Now they just hire Mexicans and give them $8 or $9 an hour. Americans have abandoned these industries to compete for white collar jobs, with the result that salaries in those industries have stagnated as well.

Of course people are blaming the problem on the rich. That's the wrong way of looking at it. The problem is not the difference between rich and poor, but the shrinking of the middle class that bridges the two. Too many young people are afraid of honest work, and if they're going to college, they avoid the tough programs.
 Padawan61
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Posted: 7/25/2012 11:43:54 PM
Those who think minimum wage is disguised slavery is out to lunch. If a person doesn't like his min wage job, he is free to quit. But your paycheck stops when you do. No employer will force you to work for them.

Minimum wage jobs are for young people starting out in the work force. If you're permanently stuck in that wage category past age 30 ... you're doing something wrong.

but, a lot of people just do not have the opportunities I had, or if they do, they dont take it...

And that is rich people's fault ... how???

Quit making excuses for the poor. They simply "can't cut the mustard" and it's not mine or anyone's problem to lift them out of their misery.

Yeah ... I'm selfish. The money I make is for my own comfort and nifty stuff ... like big screen TVs. I work hard for my money and don't feel the need to give it away to charity.
 vnufall
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Posted: 7/26/2012 6:59:51 AM
I just don't like the fact that the really wealthy...The 1%, are getting wealthier off the backs of the middle class. This group fights for every last penny( minimum wage, medicare, social security, medicaide etc) anything that smacks of any kind of help to anyone else other than them. The thing is they will tell people with little or no money that they are working hard and rich and everyone should aspire to this too, to be just like them. In the meantime they are working extremely hard to take the minimal amt of the poor and middle class for their profits. its simple, the rich get rich, the poor get poorer, and the rest of us in the middle are going down.
 Reprmoreons
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Posted: 7/26/2012 7:12:32 AM

I just don't like the fact that the really wealthy...The 1%, are getting wealthier off the backs of the middle class. This group fights for every last penny( minimum wage, medicare, social security, medicaide etc) anything that smacks of any kind of help to anyone else other than them. The thing is they will tell people with little or no money that they are working hard and rich and everyone should aspire to this too, to be just like them. In the meantime they are working extremely hard to take the minimal amt of the poor and middle class for their profits. its simple, the rich get rich, the poor get poorer, and the rest of us in the middle are going down.


Yup. And one of the ways the wealthy are able to do this is because they have bamboozled 47% of the population in the United States into advocating for the interests of the rich, and against there own best interests and the best interests of their children. I see people who are not one of the rich, but who advocate for the interest of the rich, as fools. Anyone who is so easily suckered are fools. There is no other way to explain it.

I also see them as traitors. The wealthiest Americans have declared war on this citizenry of this country and those are not wealthy, but have sided with them, should be seen as the turncoats they are. When they decry increasing the minimum wage, it is the same as spitting on the flag of the United States.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Posted: 7/26/2012 8:02:06 AM
First, I agree with what the poster in msg. 50 had to say. When you can buy the media and get your message out there you can indeed fool some of the people some of the time.

Plus, when you can buy the politicians in our country you can have great influence on wages and pretty much anything else you'd care to change or influence. The only time the rich and or rich controlled politicians care about min. wage and or middle class workers is during an election. Then they'll crank up the rich controlled media to get them to vote against their own best interests.
 natgoat227
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Posted: 7/26/2012 8:38:30 AM
Just my opinmion...but....

Min wage is low because of things like 'Unions'...
Is it 'Fair' to pay someone 'union wages' of between $25 and $45 an hour...to sit/stand at a station, and push 4 buttons...400 tomes a day...(as in the auto industry)
...while another person works his @$$ to the Bone for a measley $8 an hour..??
 GreenThumbz18
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Posted: 7/26/2012 9:14:58 AM
^^^^^^
President Obama thinks it's fair, doesn't everybody?
 vnufall
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Posted: 7/26/2012 9:14:59 AM
Not fair for sure, but I don't think those jobs are around anymore in the auto industry...pay is much less....
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