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What do you base that assumption on? My opinion is that the only thing that would case you to get sick is in your mind.
My understanding has always been that your stomach stops producing enzymes it doesn't need gradually, such as the ones used to break down meats, dairy, etc. Of course, if you gradually reintroduce the foods you'll go back to being able to digest them - but eating a big piece of meat definitely is not the way to go. This is based on standard nutrition literature, along with the experiences of many many people I've encountered who have switched back and forth(they say the sickness lasts for around 2 weeks to a month before they can eat meat whenever they want). | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 12:28:02 AM | Hey OP, listen, I didn't read the three pages but
If the eating is taking place at YOUR home
You have the right to tell anybody that comes in your house
What do you want to cook in your own, stove, with your pots and pans
If you are going to live with the guy and he is paying half of the rent
well, then it is his house too, so
you are an adult, hope you don't expect the guy to eat what you
want him to eat, if he LIVES there
Are you going to keep him living off slim jims
just because you don't like the smell of cooked meat?
Aren't vegetarians supposed to be nicer people
since they don't consume meat?
You don't sound very accommodating there OP
If you don't smoke
are you going to move in with a smoker?
Not a good choice
Now if you go to somebody elses home
It's a free country
Hope you are not one of those preaching vegetarians
Diet as religion is a preference
What anybody puts in their mouths is their business
and what you put in your is YOURS
As long as they are not forcing a burger down your throat
You shouldn't be serving them wheatgrass shots either
Do you know how hard is convincing my nephews to eat
their vegetables?
Then once in a while
we find a born again vegetarian and they start talking
and it all goes down hill from there
After my nephews heard egss referred as "chicken mestruation"
from one such person,
I have to start from scratch!
The moment you cross those lines
you start sounding a little crazy
and them, the meat eaters are only going
to have more evidence as to why
one should NOT become a vegetarian
Peace | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 1:21:28 AM |
My understanding has always been that your stomach stops producing enzymes it doesn't need gradually, such as the ones used to break down meats, dairy, etc.
Interesting. I've sometimes wondered about this - idly, as I don't expect to be in a situation wherein it's required anytime soon, if ever. But I've been a vegetarian for about, roughly, 26 years, now, and it occasionally occurs to me to wonder if it might make me ill were I to actually have to eat flesh for some wild reason (pretty much the only thing that comes to mind is getting stuck on a deserted island - I don't think I'd have a hard time telling the proposed impoverished family, "Please don't kill the pig," or whatever the animal may be, upon being invited to dinner). I instinctively feel that I might toss it right up, but have no factual basis for this.
I don't suppose this is much on topic, but I may do some research on that, so, thanks for the impetus (I love researching things and often find out nifty stuff about entirely other matters in the process).
I don't really have anything else to add, my position remains the same. To reiterate in brief for those who don't wish to read all, within limits having to do with lingering odor and/or not cleaning up, it doesn't bother me. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 1:43:38 AM |
What do you base that assumption on? My opinion is that the only thing that would case you to get sick is in your mind.
Well I have to agree with the op to an extent here if she suddenly ate a steak on hormones or some processed meat pork snouts..She would have some reaction..if just a big case of constipation and a headache.
I splurge on occasion and have brownies..I am not used to any flour or sugar and get the dreaded hangover from them..
Your body gets used to being "clean" with lots of fiber..She could very well have at the least discomfort a day or so..
I find most of her "Not in my house obnoxious and a bit waffling on some issues" but she has gotten that I think.
If anyone is going to "suffer ' from her choices...it won't be us.
Her field has just been very narrowed in the man dept..Her choice.
I think in time she will see that and loosen up.
The RIGHT man could eat steak tar tar/cook burgers and she would suddenly learn some tolerance. IMO
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Posted: 9/6/2010 2:29:41 AM | None of the men in my life have been vegetarian, including my two husbands and the man I am currently dating. In all instances, I did/do not cook red meat, but they (and my children) were free to do it. I also do not buy meat, but they were free to do it.
What ended up, is that for the most part chicken or fish got cooked in my home, as well as vegetarian dishes. At certain points my kids did not eat meat either, as they were adopted and already vegetarian. However, as they grew older they did start to eat meat in college and now only one is vegetarian (most of the time, at any rate).
My ancient black iron pots were off limits for use, given they absorb the flavors of what is cooked in them. We actually had meat pots that were kept separate. For the most part, any red meat was eaten out (by the meat eaters" choice and rarely). They also washed the meat dishes before putting in the dish washer to eliminate the smell.
My significant others became accustomed to what I cooked. When dating and going to my SO's house for dinner, in all instances they cooked what I liked to eat. It was never a big issue for me or for the man in my life. The good things we had at that time, outweighed the inconvenience to all.
When I was younger, I had periods of veganism, vegetarianism, pescatarianism and now I also eat chicken. I personally have not had red meat for almost 40 years. I do demand fan on, as I hate the "smell" of red meat cooking. Actually took me a while to even consider chicken. I also am not thrilled to kiss someone after he eats a steak. However, this was discussed beforehand and never was a problem. All the men in my life also cooked and for the most part, were happy with what I cooked. Occasionally, when my diet was stricter, my husband would cook chicken or fish, if I did not.
As to dealing with the morality of it all, since I started into this mostly around animal rights, I would say that the good influence of my cooking affected my mates and family to eat "less" of what they did or would have w/o me involved. Also, they made efforts to only buy meat that was humanely raised.
AS with everything else, I suppose it is easier if my mate and I shared a lot of practices. But, I am more concerned with the person, his character, his intelligence, his humor and how he treats me. All that is hard enough to find, so I'm not angsting about the rest. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:38:16 AM |
I splurge on occasion and have brownies..I am not used to any flour or sugar and get the dreaded hangover from them..
Oh will you ever. Not brownies for me but any wheat products. I had three pieces f a pizza about a week ago. I was miserable for a day. Starches, sugars and grains will trash me pretty quick. I know better than to eat that stuff but I do splurge a little now and then. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:06:24 AM |
My understanding has always been that your stomach stops producing enzymes it doesn't need gradually, such as the ones used to break down meats, dairy, etc.
My personal experience - having gone from omnivore to vegetarian to omnivore a few times in my life - is that eating small amounts of any meat as a part of a multi ingredient dinner as would be served in the "third world" example would not make you hospital sick - as another posted stated, it would be more like general malaise, constipation for a few days and perhaps a headache as actual physical symptoms. The taste would be odd. Anything more serious would be a mental reaction (which I acknowledge can be more serious than the physical one).
As far as me or a roommate cooking meat when I was a vegetarian (or when I was a meat eater and they were not) - no problem. And with my friends now who are vegan, flexitarian, vegetarian, red meat only eaters, eaters of whatever floats their boat: I find it's not difficult to intergrate diets, even on the same table, as long as everyone respects each others food choices. And it leads to some very interesting meals and some fun cooking adventures
As in all personal choices, it's the proselyzers and the "do as I do" ers that cause the problems. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:48:26 AM | Zikoris:
... and would most likely get extremely sick from eating meat as I haven't had any animal products in nearly 12 years.
Actually, I'm starting to get sick from this vegan dribble.
Does this whole random-family-sacrificing-everything-they-have-to-feed-a-wealthy-foreigner-they-know-nothing-about thing really happen that often?
moraima answered this beautifully in Msg No. 59.
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Posted: 9/6/2010 7:52:55 AM |
I don't think I'd have a hard time telling the proposed impoverished family, "Please don't kill the pig,"
Nor would I. If they are impoverished, I'd implore them to keep their food for themselves - I don't want deprived families to give up any food for me - no matter what type of food it is. I wouldn't feel uncomfortable or awkward in politely declining the offering of food that I don't eat, even if the theoretical family did not comprehend the reasons. I really don't worry about such situations ever happening either, since I have never been invited to share a meal with impoverished congregations of people. I also don't drink alcohol, and feel no obligation to accept alcoholic drinks.
Cheers | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 8:40:33 AM |
how do meat eaters feel about SOs not wanting meat in the home? I would not have a significant other who does not allow meat in their home.
I have low tolerance for vegan bullsh1t. And I have enough common sense to know that humans are naturally omnivorous. So I can assure you that I would simply let the vegan try to find herself a partner more tolerant of her views than I would be.
Aren't vegetarians supposed to be nicer people
since they don't consume meat? It's been my observation that vegetarians are more likely to be arrogant self-righteous types who criticize other's diets.
Here's a perfect example of an arrogant, self-righteous vegetarian's attitude:
I don't think I'd have a hard time telling the proposed impoverished family, "Please don't kill the pig,"
These people would actually value the life of a pig, over the health and well-being of a starving family. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 9:25:01 AM |
the scenario of an Impoverished family is "hypothetical" to you
The scenario of being offered food by the hypothetical family is exactly that - hypothetical. What makes this particular premise hypothetical is that is doesn't commonly occur for most people. It's a premise for the purpose of discussing an unexpected prospect. "Hypothetical” is an adjective from the word “hypothesis.” An hypothesis is an idea that you test by imagining the consequences if your hypothesis were true.
No one in this forum denies that there are entire countries that are impoverished - it's the scenario that is hypothetical, NOT the FACT that millions of people are impoverished or malnourished. Major difference. I do think your admonishment is misplaced.
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Posted: 9/6/2010 9:37:53 AM | "I have to agree with the op to an extent here if she suddenly ate a steak on hormones or some processed meat pork snouts."
Hopefully, meat eaters find a meat source that is hormone free, and isn't processed. One easy way is to eat meat in the third world country I go to, as it is free range and is tender, and sweet.
I read an interesting research article from the U 0f G on the subject of how antibiotic are absorbed into vegetables, grains etc. because of the fertizilers (cow manure) used to grow the vegetables.
From what I have read here from the opening post to the next pages, this thread is actually about tolerance or lack there off of vegetarians about being in a relationship with a meat eater.
The thread goes on the show a lack of understand and intolerance for anyone who doesn't comply to certain vegetarians and their meat ban.
As stated by several posts, the answer is simple............don't date anyone who doesn't think like you do.
ps. I seem to be right about some not understanding the example of people gifting a meal to foreign guest. Actually, that misunderstand of the point, is the same misunderstand of expections of the thread to ban meat from their home (or their world). | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 1:33:43 PM | As a meat-eater, I wouldn't have a relationship with a vegetarian. Sorry.
That's my take on it too. It just doesn't make sense. Humans are omnivores and you are depriving your body of something it was built to metabolize. The reasons behind which are so rediculous I've never actually heard a good reason yet. And then there are those vegetarians who will eat fish too? So fish don't count when it comes to animal worship? It's a big mess of stupid crap I'd just assume avoid all together in the dating world. It's not worth the time and effort or aggravation...
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Posted: 9/6/2010 2:00:23 PM | I have to say, this thread made me giggle when the OP added the post about being okay with meat being around her in restaurants, since "it wasn't actually being cooked at the time right beside her" or whatever it was. Newsflash, that delicious smell wafting from the kitchen when one first walks into a restaurant? It probably ain't the carrots. 
That being said. OP, if it hasn't been an issue in any relationships to date, why even ask the question? Or, is it simply that it hasn't been an issue to date because you've always been the one to do the cooking in each relationship you've been in so far?
I've only had one experience living with a vegetarian, and overall it worked out fine. I didn't pressure him to make changes (in fact, I could care less if he ate or didn't eat meat) and he never pressured me. We both respected each others' personal choices, even with occasional ribbing when he'd ask if I was having Miss Piggy or Mary's Little Lamb for dinner, and I'd respond that it was "None of your beeswax, Captain Carrot".
In any kitchen, though, there will always be smells that one or the other doesn't want lingering in the house. Thinking of things like curry, kippers, and a few other dishes that I love...but even I won't make those if I can't air the house out as I go and likely for the next day or so as well. And I'm the original carnivore.
To me, though, this would easily end up being a dealbreaker if this is an issue you feel strongly enough about. Which, like many other respondants so far, I'd advise that if your partner isn't conducive to changing his entire diet if a cohabitation occurred? Then, you need to find a partner who partakes of the same diet as you do.
Partnerships are all about compromise, remember? If that doesn't work, then find someone truly compatible. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:00:29 PM | Vegans rarely are willing to compromise...
And then there's all the snake-oil salesmen that often promote use of dangerous substances.
http://www.google.com/images?expIds=17259,18167,25901,25981,26341&sugexp=ldymls&tok=jDpfipWIAUo36tfyVnUjUg&q=colloidal+silver+poisoning&cp=19&hl=en&wrapid=tljp1283810116683136&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=SGOFTJjuJoTGlQfVwJSXDw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&sqi=2&ved=0CDoQsAQwAw&biw=1259&bih=858
(note that the colloidal silver can also "plate" your lungs and kill you quicker than lung cancer from smoking...)
but they'll scream at you if you point out how dangerous they really are...
PETA "rescue shelters" euthenize more animals than any equivilent size municipal animal shelter... but a PETA member will wear leather shoes while throwing red paint on someone else for wearing fur.
Greanpeace members will endanger hundreds of people at sea attempting to keep a shrimp fishing trawler from diing its job.
Tree huggers, by thier prevention of logging have prevented the creation of fire breaks and thus are responsible for how large a lot of forest fires have become over the last 30 years.
AlGore and company have convinced kids that polar bears are dissapearing when there are now more polar bears than any time in the previous 50 years. (possibly longer... we didn't have a good way to count before that)
In the mid 1970's the enviroscare was global cooling and it was feared that sea level would drop by 25 ft within 10 years if we didn't stop burning oil for fuel.
I don't have a lot of tollerance for idiots... | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:27:25 PM | To actually answer the OP question....
I was veggo for 25 years. My daughter, 18, has always been a vegetarian. At one point her non-veggo b/f lived with us and I had bo problems actually cooking meat for him on occasion. I wasn't wild about the smell, but hey... I opened the windows and voila!! I have recently (last 2 years) introduced a limited amount of meat back into my diet (chicken and fish) but its rare. So... if I could not only accept a carnivorous teen in my home but actually cook some meat for him, I would have no problems 'allowing' my SO to do the same. Thus far he has been delighted to eat my vegetarian offerings though.
On a side note. I took my kiddo to see a good friend in Italy. The friend knew we were vegetarian but still cooked us a beef lasagna as a welcome meal. Did we eat it?? He!! yes! Would have been rude not to. Didn't even have to ask my daughter- she understood it would have hurt my friends' feelings to refuse. I don't do militant vegetarianism :) | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:40:47 PM |
Here's a perfect example of an arrogant, self-righteous vegetarian's attitude: I don't think I'd have a hard time telling the proposed impoverished family, "Please don't kill the pig," These people would actually value the life of a pig, over the health and well-being of a starving family.
Not remotely. The scenario proposed in prior posts, that evidently you neglected to read, was that they would be killing it specifically for the guest ( which is me, if I'm responding), not for themselves. If it's for them, that's their choice, obviously, and I hope they do whatever makes the most sense at the time.
I do not consider it inherently wrong to eat meat - I just don't do it myself. I donate annually to Heifer International. Not just the larger animals, but also, flocks of chicks, ducks, and geese have been invaluable to their recipients. | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 4:57:48 PM | Coincidentally, every vegetarian I've met, they are the ONLY people I know
who think is fascinating to other people to hear about every single morsel they put in their mouths
You are vegetarian?
Great! Good for you!
Now, NOBODY needs to know exactly what you eat or not
I have never met a mexican who goes around preaching about the benefits of beans and rice
or an Indian who says only curry is the way to go
Live your life
Let other live theirs
Being a vegetarian is just that, you EAT VEGETABLES!
We get it,!
You haven't won the nobel prize
If your BF wants to cook himself a steak,
Let your boyfriend EAT! | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:44:20 PM | Revisiting the thread here...
It seems that OP started the thread on the premise she feels strongly about not having meat in the house, and she wants to know what other vegetarians do in the situation without having her premise challenged. Well, premises are bound to be challenged, as is the case for pretty much any other thread on POF...
Now back to answering your original question, OP.
When I was living in a teeny tiny apartment with my two other roommates who were gourmet cooks and couldn't swallow a meal without meat, we had very little ventilation. We would take turns cooking and shared all the cookware, dishes, and utensils. At first it was tough because I had the heightened sensitivity to the smell of meat like many vegetarians and they had to improvise with canned luncheon meat on the days I cooked. After a while though, I got used to the smell. They would make vegetable dishes and meat dishes. Sometimes they had to mix veggie and meat in one plate and I had no trouble just picking out the vegetable to eat. They would make extra meat for themselves before it was again my turn to cook, and I had no problem cooking meat for them when needed. It worked out conveniently for all of us. They actually learned to make fantastic vegetarian dishes and ate more vegetables, while I stopped feeling nauseous every time I walked close to the frozen meat section in the supermarket.
I guess each person's tolerance for smell differs. I adjusted to the smell fairly quickly. I also had literally no problem switching back to meat-eating after years of vegetarianism, but that's another story... | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 8:37:54 PM |
As a meat-eater, I wouldn't have a relationship with a vegetarian. Sorry. I wouldn't go as far as this.... But if the vegetarian i was dating or living with decided he was going to start telling me what i could eat and when then he would have to go...
In my home i will eat what i want to eat and my partner should eat what he wants to eat, not have some restrictive rule by one party that only THEY have the right to dictate what kind of food is consumed or cooked. THEY are allowed to eat whatever they please but i have to hide my food in a little corner somewhere??? I don't think so!! That's not a good relationship, that's a dictatorship... OP i'm really surprised you can't see that. You seem quite intelligent but you still think it is ok for you to have more rights than your partner... I don't know why you don't just stick to vegetarians instead of ramming your lifestyle and rigid rules down a meateaters throat........ | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 8:55:11 PM | "I don't know why you don't just stick to vegetarians instead of ramming your lifestyle and rigid rules down a meateaters throat........"
Because that would be no.............FUN!
Some vegetarians, I'm not saying ALL vegetarians, for the record, use the fact that they only consume organic vegetables to feel superior, hence the going around telling anyone who wants to hear, they are vegetarians,
See, they are doing the right thing, since Mom always said, eat your vegetables, right?
So most of them, I said most, they use that as a power trip
BUT
They need to find someone "inferior" to fix, to show them the right way, the light
Being/living/cooking with another vegetarian would cut down all the drama to ZERO
and that is just no decent thread material, is it? | |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 9:08:40 PM | | As the boyfriend, it's a very good bargain from my point of view. In exchange for not cooking meat—not a hardship as I am incompetent in the field of cooking to begin with—I get delicious vegan meals cooked for me and delicious baked goods baked on a daily basis. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 5:49:03 AM | | If you want your home to be meat-free, don't want meat to enter your house, and want your home to be a meat-free sanctuary, I would suggest dating only another vegetarian if it's that important to you. I want the meat, and I wouldn't date someone who had rules like that about anything I like to have or do. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:25:40 AM |
I have, however, had some very delicious vegetarian meals -- but no American has ever prepared them for me. I'm referring to Indian and Thai dishes.
You might like to know, vegetarian Thai food tends to be vegan as well - they don't normally use dairy products in their cooking. | |
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