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I don't think Lord of the Rings is based on proven scientific priciples. He's not just giving an opinion. He's using proven scientific facts to form possible answers for the questions we have. Religion has nothing to do with reality.
What Stephen and others are basically creating is another religion .They are the high priests of the religion and folks are following and repeating the things they say without personally understanding what these guys are saying or experiencing any of what they say happened .
I don't care if a person has got fifty thousand PHDs from MIT or sixteen hadron collidor in their garden shed ,I know for sure that they were not there when the universe was created,therefore anything they suggest is just imaginings ,a story,fairytale ,fiction ....
The joy of God is a personal experience ,one that you too can enjoy .Ask me how I know it ? | |
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| Stephen Hawking: God Did Not Create the Universe
Posted: 5/20/2012 12:10:52 PM |
What Stephen and others are basically creating is another religion .They are the high priests of the religion and folks are following and repeating the things they say without personally understanding what these guys are saying or experiencing any of what they say happened .
I don't care if a person has got fifty thousand PHDs from MIT or sixteen hadron collidor in their garden shed ,I know for sure that they were not there when the universe was created,therefore anything they suggest is just imaginings ,a story,fairytale ,fiction ....
It has nothing to do with fiction and everything to do with evidence. They are using their knowledge of scientific laws to provide reasonable explanations for the universe. Religion only gives us a "story/fairy tale/fiction" as well. It was just sound guy writing down a story in a book. I have more faith in science because they are investigating the universe and learning more every day. Religion is based on people writing stories in a book.
The joy of God is a personal experience ,one that you too can enjoy .Ask me how I know it ?
Personal experience is irrelevant. Crazy people talk to fairies. Does that mean fairies are real? | |
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Posted: 5/20/2012 12:14:13 PM | dwight_the,
Do you do drugs? like pot, mushrooms, opium, etc? And even alcohol? have you tried them? if it's joy you are looking for, they are VERY effective.
I'm not trying to be disrespective here at all. It's a real question. For instance, I enjoy pot but it's not my joy that helps me solve problems, find true answers, etc. It simply solves the problem of needing joy to feel better about not having other problems solved and not having answers or anything else that's stressig me out or makes me want to relax and have fun.
So I wonder if you enjoy these things too. and if not, why not? | |
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Posted: 6/2/2012 9:16:31 PM | What Stephen and others are basically creating is another religion . False. There is no such thing as a religion based on evidence. Religion is based on faith. A lack of evidence. That's like saying everyone believes in the religion of gravity. Whether you believe gravity or not, it exists.
.They are the high priests of the religion and folks are following and repeating the things they say without personally understanding what these guys are saying or experiencing any of what they say happened . Unlike the followers of your religion, I CAN study science and understand it, because it is real. There is evidence to support the claims that it makes. You can't do that for religion. No evidence of Jesus, no evidence of God, nothing.
The joy of God is a personal experience ,one that you too can enjoy .Ask me how I know it ? The joy of God, eh? I'm sure the kids that were born with AIDS, people have been diagnosed with cancer, people who are homeless or are in dept, people who have been hit by natural disasters and lost their homes and family and friends, I'm sure they all share in this God's joy as well, right? I can't DISPROVE god, but I think it's a safe thing to say that he is an under achiever. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 10:21:19 PM | -science has found that the universe runs itself.
or;
-the universe was created to run itself.
and;
.............My question: For those creationists out there, do IDEAS in science such as these at all undercut or shake your belief in a god, personal or otherwise? (Honesty would be much appreciated.).............
ideas???
ideas in science are supposed to shake my beliefs now?
I would be shaking all the time.
and specifically, which ideas?
are they in here?
pretty general, and yes, ideas, if you want to entertain a godless universe.
...........That is not the answer of modern science. As recent advances in cosmology suggest, the laws of gravity and quantum theory allow universes to appear spontaneously from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.
Our universe seems to be one of many, each with different laws. That multiverse idea is not a notion invented to account for the miracle of fine tuning. It is a consequence predicted by many theories in modern cosmology. If it is true it reduces the strong anthropic principle to the weak one, putting the fine tunings of physical law on the same footing as the environmental factors, for it means that our cosmic habitat—now the entire observable universe—is just one of many.
Each universe has many possible histories and many possible states. Only a very few would allow creatures like us to exist. Although we are puny and insignificant on the scale of the cosmos, this makes us in a sense the lords of creation. .............
taken from this ;
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704206804575467921609024244.html | |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 10:46:09 PM | what s. hawking said:
"As recent advances in cosmology suggest, the laws of gravity and quantum theory allow universes to appear spontaneously from nothing."
so, now when hawking says gravity existed before the universe, some will automaticaly gobble that up, without question, as the 'present, reining for a little while' ...truth? | |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 11:24:55 PM | Once again we have seen some evidence that Skynet did not take over, or that some magic show occurred because some people with chose to learn some basic geometry and astronomy - simple math taught in elementary school- were not prophets.
Those of us who see the world as it really is and don't use the words "zen" and "karma" know that when we wake up on 21 December, nothing will have happened- again.
And there was no "zen" and "karma" occurring on 22 December- the same spirituality that has existed all along was still front and center in the eyes of the new age nutcases- spirituality was directly in front of them, all around them just as it was the same thing that has kicked them in the ass all of their entire life and never once learned from it.
Just because engineers didn't have enough memory available to create 4 digit year codes on computers did not mean that Skynet was going to take over in Y2K. The Mayan's weren't no different- they weren't writing prophecy- THEY WERE WRITING MATH.
"WHAT PART OF 2 PLUS TWO EQUALS 4 DO YOU NOT "GET?" Furthermore, THERE'S NOTHING MORE TO THE EQUATION- nothing to read through lines, assume or insinuate.
There was a man who once said that "When you believe in things that you don't understand- then you were born ****ing stupid.” Something about superstition. | |
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Posted: 12/27/2012 5:54:35 PM | lol
ok Imagine you are the oldest goofball in your village thousands of years ago. Your daughter asks you where did it all begin. You close your eyes and think hard and what did your superior intellect remember? You were in your mothers womb and Viola! you become aware of the firmament, gravity. After you realize what time is you realize some time has gone buy, the first day. Then you see light seeping into the womb etc etc etc. The your devil dad steals mommys tit away and you feel betrayed :) | |
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Posted: 12/27/2012 6:11:17 PM |
so, now when hawking says gravity existed before the universe, some will automaticaly gobble that up, without question,
SH has been trying to be the "Dr. OZ" of physics; going well beyond his limits (or that of anyone else) to stay relevant. In his next book maybe SH should write about what exactly "nothingness" really is. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2012 6:36:02 PM | | Firstly, I do not appreciate the "title". Secondly, I'm not about to give you my opinion, but I will give you my lifes experience that have been provene tried, and true. I may come across bitter but I'm really not because no one has showed up at my doorstep that wants this conversation. I like short stories because it saves me the task of typing, but their is alot to read between the lines, but those that can't, good-bye. To put it quite simply, if you don't believe in God, then spend all your time, attention, and money to try and become him. We will find you thinkin' your something special. No man or woman can explain all the mysteries in life or we would run out of math.(numbers). There are no numbers in eternity. And I hope you notice the period at the end of that last statement. your friend , Santa Claus. LOL. There is so much talent out there, I just hope that someone with other talents, (better than some of mine), will see what I'm saying and listen to a long term goal or life plan. Its about our "youth". Amen | |
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:41:07 PM | first off; kudos to all contributors....You people sound intelligent and some of you write very well. Now for the record;
It is most doubtful that the 3.5 pounds of noodle [ brain ] will ever be capable of indexing or categorically knowing
the infinite mysteries of space. For the believer [ such as myself ], I find it a curious waste to "prove God"....much
easier to define him. And the etymology of g-o-d tracks to gad and that word means fortune....makes a lot of cent$ too
when you consider the masonic overseers of all Western currencies. To my mind, nothing is more absurd to claim
that gravity, planets with varying densities & spin rates, plasma [ which accounts for 99% of the known solar system],
the periodic table, magnetospheres, and SALT-WATER[ some 75 bazillion gallons of it] + fresh WATER came into
existence as a result of a large Cosmic bang. When we rule out the absurd, we can move on to logic and the first & 2nd
laws of Heat....and even with all the advances in science and astronomy, experts are still at a loss to explain why and
how one teaspoon of neutron star weighs a million tons. There is an I D K [ I don't know ] factor that is still at work
even in the realm of the Santa Barbara Channel and / or the deep blue Sea. | |
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| Stephen Hawking: God Did Not Create the Universe
Posted: 12/31/2012 4:00:09 PM |
To my mind, nothing is more absurd to claim that gravity, planets with varying densities & spin rates, plasma [ which accounts for 99% of the known solar system], the periodic table, magnetospheres, and SALT-WATER[ some 75 bazillion gallons of it] + fresh WATER came into existence as a result of a large Cosmic bang.
What's so absurd about it? Things like planet, plasma, water and so on are just different combinations of protons, neutrons and electrons. What the Big Bang did was provide the universe with it's basic ingredient: hydrogen (as well as the four forces of nature), which then combined to form heavier elements.
It seems to me that the your position is nothing more than personal incredulity, based on the false notion that these things are fundamentally different and too complex.
When we rule out the absurd, we can move on to logic and the first & 2nd laws of Heat....and even with all the advances in science and astronomy, experts are still at a loss to explain why and how one teaspoon of neutron star weighs a million tons.
Really? I'm not an expert, but even I can explain why this is so. A neutron star is one of the densest materials on earth. Despite appearances, solid matter (like you and me) is composed largely of empty space. As Professor Jim Al-Khalili explained, if we could take out all the empty space, then every single human being could fit inside an apple (and that apple would weigh the same as seven billion human beings). | |
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Posted: 1/1/2013 7:35:54 AM | | maybe your explanation makes you content......make your own explosion and check for saltWater, ball bearings[ magnetically polarized spheres] and um.....blood--in varying classifications plus..um....this thing called "order". | |
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Posted: 1/1/2013 8:01:31 AM |
first off; kudos to all contributors....You people sound intelligent and some of you write very well. Now for the record; It is most doubtful that the 3.5 pounds of noodle [ brain ] will ever be capable....
It's surprising what intelligence, fed with accurate information, and combined with rationality and logic can achieve. It's equally surprising that some would choose to abandon those tools and rely instead on guesses and made up factoids.
I find it a curious waste to "prove God"....much easier to define him. And the etymology of g-o-d tracks to gad and that word means fortune....makes a lot of cent$ too when you consider the masonic overseers of all Western currencies.
Here is the etymology of the words 'god', and 'gad'.
god (n.)
O.E. god "supreme being, deity; the Christian God; image of a god; godlike person," from P.Gmc. *guthan (cf. O.S., O.Fris., Du. god, O.H.G. got, Ger. Gott, O.N. guð, Goth. guþ), from PIE *ghut- "that which is invoked" (cf. O.C.S. zovo "to call," Skt. huta- "invoked," an epithet of Indra), from root *gheu(e)- "to call, invoke." But some trace it to PIE *ghu-to- "poured," from root *gheu- "to pour, pour a libation" (source of Gk. khein "to pour," also in the phrase khute gaia "poured earth," referring to a burial mound; see found (v.2)). "Given the Greek facts, the Germanic form may have referred in the first instance to the spirit immanent in a burial mound" [Watkins]. Cf. also Zeus.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=god&searchmode=none
gad (v.)
"to rove about," mid-15c., perhaps a back formation from Middle English gadeling (O.E. gædeling) "kinsman, fellow, companion in arms," but which had a deteriorated sense of "rogue, vagabond" by c.1300 (it also had a meaning "wandering," but this is attested only from 16c.); or else it should be associated with gad (n.) "a goad for driving cattle."
gad (n.)
"goad, metal rod," early 13c., from O.N. gaddr "spike, nail," from P.Gmc. *gadaz "pointed stick".
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=gad&searchmode=none
I see nothing about either word meaning, or having any connection to 'fortune', and nothing about either one being derived from the other.
Do you have a reference or source for your assertions?
To my mind, nothing is more absurd to claim that gravity, planets with varying densities & spin rates, plasma [ which accounts for 99% of the known solar system], the periodic table, magnetospheres, and SALT-WATER[ some 75 bazillion gallons of it] + fresh WATER came into existence as a result of a large Cosmic bang.
I don't think anyone has ever said, other than people who claim a god thing 'created' it all, that this ^^^ is what happened.
The things you refer to are outcomes and consequences - which could loosely be described as 'results' I suppose, if one was trying to misrepresent and massively oversimplify reality to the point of nonsensical incomprehensibility.
When we rule out the absurd, we can move on to logic and the first & 2nd laws of Heat....and even with all the advances in science and astronomy, experts are still at a loss to explain why and how one teaspoon of neutron star weighs a million tons. There is an I D K [ I don't know ] factor that is still at work even in the realm of the Santa Barbara Channel and / or the deep blue Sea.
This ^^^, like most of your post, is just a distortion of reality based on an uninformed opinion that leads to a flawed conclusion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l1/neutron_stars.html
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l1/pulsars.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-powered-the-big-bang/
http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/big-questions/how-did-universe-originate-and-evolve-produce-galaxies-stars-and-planets-we-see-today/
The truth can set you free. | |
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| Stephen Hawking: God Did Not Create the Universe
Posted: 1/1/2013 8:43:34 AM |
maybe your explanation makes you content......make your own explosion and check for saltWater, ball bearings[ magnetically polarized spheres] and um.....blood--in varying classifications plus..um....this thing called "order".
The Big Bang was not an "explosion" per se, it was an expansion that transformed the singularity into the universe that we see today. As I indicated earlier, it provided the universe with the four forces of nature (gravity, electromagnetism, weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force) and gave it it's birth ingredient, hydrogen. The hydrogen formed the first stars, and it is inside the core of these stars that complex elements were created through nuclear fusion (in a sense, ancient sun-worshiping cultures were right - the sun is the engine of creation). This explains all the elements we see today, and this process is still going on inside current stars like our sun (every second, tons of hydrogen is being fused into helium, giving off light and energy in the process). | |
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| Stephen Hawking: God Did Not Create the Universe
Posted: 1/1/2013 8:56:50 AM | check word no. 1408 in Strong's Exhaustive concordance....or obtain a copy of C J Koster's, "Come Out of Her My
People"--one of the finest books ever written about doctrine & etymology.
News Flash** You may believe what You want....its called free Will. The above links prove nothing....which, co-Incidently, is not the best enviroment for Explosions...ie...no Gravity...Absolute Zero Temp...no Matter...no God...
no intelligence and no purpose......and then that nothing extrapolated itself into everything....real nice science you
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| Stephen Hawking: God Did Not Create the Universe
Posted: 1/1/2013 9:16:45 AM |
check word no. 1408 in Strong's Exhaustive concordance....or obtain a copy of C J Koster's, "Come Out of Her My People"--one of the finest books ever written about doctrine & etymology.
It's not for me to substantiate your claims by searching through your vague references - both of which appear to be less then independent sources.
If you can't substantiate your claims get used to them being ignored, and/or mocked.
News Flash** You may believe what You want....its called free Will. The above links prove nothing...
This ^^^ is just an expression of imperviousness to rational input. | |
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| Stephen Hawking: God Did Not Create the Universe
Posted: 1/1/2013 10:47:10 AM |
News Flash** You may believe what You want....its called free Will. The above links prove nothing....which, co-Incidently, is not the best enviroment for Explosions...ie...no Gravity...Absolute Zero Temp...no Matter...no God... no intelligence and no purpose......and then that nothing extrapolated itself into everything....real nice science you have there.
From nothing? Did you misread something? I clearly stated that the Big Bang is an expansion from a singularity (a point of infinite density, like a really small but really heavy black hole).
You seem to be having a conversation with yourself. | |
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Posted: 1/1/2013 1:49:28 PM | a singularity of infinite density? Is that science? Can you explain that in english? the fact that you state something
in a meaningless sentence does not mean it is scientific fact. Its your religion, your belief..and you are taking it on
faith that the Universe is 14.6 billion years old because some Egghead said so on TV. Seriously, is this the best you
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| Stephen Hawking: God Did Not Create the Universe
Posted: 1/1/2013 3:38:39 PM |
a singularity of infinite density? Is that science? Can you explain that in english? the fact that you state something in a meaningless sentence does not mean it is scientific fact. Its your religion, your belief..and you are taking it on faith that the Universe is 14.6 billion years old because some Egghead said so on TV. Seriously, is this the best you got?
Yes, it's science! And I just explained it in English (if you didn't understand that's your problem). As for the age of the universe (~13.75 billion years old), it can be gleaned from the microwave background radiation (e.g., WMAP).
Honestly, you are making yourself out to be a complete ignoramus. If you're interested in learning, then ask. If not, then say just say you don't understand and be done with it. You can mock science all you want, but the facts are the facts. | |
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Posted: 1/1/2013 5:26:12 PM |
a singularity of infinite density? Is that science?
This ^ is not "science" as we know it to be, though we make the conjecture of it having been there at some point! The concept of 'infinity' is not something that is subject to scientific exegesis. Truth be told, no one really knows what the nature of a singularity is (ask Michio Kaku, for one). The 'singularity' is the point which all scientific observations (that we know of) fall apart. Cosmologists & physicists often try to grapple with it, but make no head way as the answers to their equations become absurd. | |
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| Stephen Hawking: God Did Not Create the Universe
Posted: 1/1/2013 6:37:57 PM | Its your religion, your belief..and you are taking it on faith that the Universe is 14.6 billion years old because some Egghead said so on TV. Seriously, is this the best you got?
For us to think that the universe is 13.75bn years old is not blind faith, it is a logical conclusion. A consensus amongst peer reviewed literature is as strong an argument from authority as there is possible - ie. a valid inductive argument. That means it is indeed the 'best we got' without ourselves undertaking many years of study to become cosmologists and further years of work analysing the data to see if it can be better explained by an alternative hypothesis. | |
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| Stephen Hawking: God Did Not Create the Universe
Posted: 1/2/2013 5:13:03 AM | This ^ is not "science" as we know it to be, though we make the conjecture of it having been there at some point! The concept of 'infinity' is not something that is subject to scientific exegesis. Truth be told, no one really knows what the nature of a singularity is (ask Michio Kaku, for one). The 'singularity' is the point which all scientific observations (that we know of) fall apart. Cosmologists & physicists often try to grapple with it, but make no head way as the answers to their equations become absurd.
Well, keep in mind that "infinity" is just a short-hand way of saying "really really big". Whether it's actually infinite is doubtful (e.g., black holes are said to be of infinite density as well, but they can dissipate over time and disappear, a la Hawking radiation). | |
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