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| The man, 26, who was operated on at birth, has never had sexual intercourse.
Posted: 8/19/2006 12:22:01 AM | http://www.cirp.org/news/perth1/
SUNDAY TIMES, Perth, Western Australia, 26 December 1999, page 2.
The cruel cut that ruined a man's life
by Bruce Butler
A PERTH man has won a $360,000 damages payout after a WA doctor admitted he botched a circumcision operation which left the man with a badly deformed penis. [CIRP note: This is roughly equivalent to US$235,000.]
The man, 26, who was operated on at birth, has never had sexual intercourse.
Due to a lack of information on neonatal circumcision, he grew up believing he was deformed. He was unable to obtain an erection until he had corrective surgery at the age of 18.
The man, who wants to be known only as "John", said he has a permanent lack of sensation in his penis but has also suffered extreme pain.
He suffered severe psychological problems from his late teens which led to an attempted suicide at 18, six months after partially successful reconstructive surgery.
In January 1992 when his injuries were diagnosed as a bungled surgery, he turned against his parents, hating them for allowing the awful operation to be done.
In 1997 he sued the GP who circumcised him.
This month John received an out-of-court settlement after the doctor admitted liability for the injuries and agreed to the payout.
His lawyer Hayden Stephens, from law firm Slater and Gordon, said the payout was one of the biggest in Australia for that type of injury.
"This young man has suffered a horrific consequence as a result of this negligent procedure and he now has to live with the problem for the rest of his life," Mr Stephens said.
"I am really pleased for him, but no amount of money will ever truly compensate him for the injuries he has suffered."
Now completing a doctorate in medical science, John said he took legal action in a bid to draw attention to circumcision and to try to eradicate it in Australia, if not the world.
He said circumcision was a disgusting, unnecessary act of mutilation which the medical profession had forced on unsuspecting parents for years.
"For my whole life I've been imprisoned in pain and exiled from pleasure. I'm serving a prison sentence for a crime that someone else committed---that's the reality for me," he said.
In John's operation, still routinely performed without anaesthetic in Australian hospitals, almost all the penile skin was removed which prevented the penis from growing normally.
John said: "Parents want to see their children grow up to live healthy and happy lives and many parents have consented to circumcision because the Australian medical profession convinced them it was a quick and painless procedure that was essential to avoid health problems.
"Not only is the claim that it is beneficial wrong, the AMA has not adequately informed parents of the surgical risks involved.
"I took legal action against the doctor who circumcised me because I hate circumcision and I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I did nothing to stop other babies being injured and mutilated in the same way as me.
"I don't want to walk down the street and see a young mother with baby boys and wonder and worry whether they've had done to them what was done to me."
Born in 1973, John's "routine" operation became a nightmare he has had to cope with all his life.
The young GP who delivered him cut away far too much skin and had to stretch the remaining soft, scrotal tissue and stitch it in place.
The result was a mess.
"The shape isn't right, the length isn't right---it's shorter than it should be---and the glans (head) is actually twisted a bit," John said.
Believing he was deformed, he hid from embarrassing changeroom and shower situations at school.
Throughout adolescence---difficult enough years when all is well---the psychological harm matched his physical scars.
He was more interested in science than sport and became withdrawn and studious.
He prospered academically but psychologically was crying for help.
When he went to university, he realised he had a serious problem and the bungled circumcision was diagnosed.
He fought severe depression and contemplated suicide but opted for surgery, hoping it could save him.
"The pain involved in that was horrific and it lasted for years and still now I get aches and pains from time to time," he said.
"With all the pain, the psychological trauma and embarrassment that went with having that surgery, it wasn't worth it.
"But I was 18 years old, I had something very badly wrong with me and I was desperate.
"I had to try something."
Skin was taken from his upper thighs and grafted to his penis, but he was left with little real sensation.
The grafted skin had unsightly leg hairs growing from it, which required electrolysis and caused further scarring.
He remains angry that he was circumcised unnecessarily and that the medical profession continues to push the operation on unknowing parents. He is outraged that 12 per cent of Australian boys are still circumcised.
"Babies should never be circumcised," he said.
"My case was a totally unnecessary circumcision. Yet my mother and father were told it was essential for me to be circumcised to avoid health problems."
John said some medical authorities still claimed circumcision reduced the rate of HIV infection and sexually transmitted diseases---a claim he says has been proven wrong by medical data.
He said it was wrong that doctors, who charged about $200 to perform a circumcision, continued to make a small fortune from such a potentially harmful procedure.
"I have been assaulted and mutilated and for my whole life I am living with an injury," he said.
John said his injuries had made it almost impossible to contemplate a relationship with a woman and he found it hard to make friends.
He was angry with his parents but he now acknowledged the operation was not their fault.
His mother, a close and loving supporter who carries her own guilt over the surgery, said: "He's never had a relationship with a woman because of how he feels about his body.
"At the most important stage of his life when he should have been dating and girls were showing an interest in him, he withdrew."
She said they should have been told how to clean a boy's foreskin, not advised to have a circumcision.
His mother also regretted the blunder was not diagnosed earlier so he could have had corrective surgery at a younger age.
John said he would like to see a support group established in Australia for men who have problems due to circumcision.
Information on circumcision is available on the Internet. The address is http://www.cirp.org/.
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Doctors divided over operation
By John Carey
THE medical profession remains divided over the issue of circumcision.
Only about 5 per cent of male babies born in WA in the past two years have undergone the procedure, suggesting that parents are less likely to want their sons circumcised.
But it is still common enough, its opponents say, that Princess Margaret Hospital for Children admits half a dozen baby boys each year suffering from infection or hemorrhaging because of it.
Princess Margaret Hospital specialist Dr Philip King said it was an unnecessary operation performed on babies when they were most vulnerable to infection and bleeding.
He said only 4 per cent of boys required circumcision for medical reasons---in cases of trauma or infection---but "every year we see babies coming in with circumcision who have nasty infections and require surgery".
"Foreskin is a very normal part of the human body," he said. "It is a very important part throughout life. It's the right of the child that he should keep his foreskin---it's not the right of the parents to chop it off."
In the US, he said, there had been six cases in which children successfully sued parents for choosing to circumcised when it was unnecessary.
But Dr King said he would perform the procedure, if necessary, to ensure the highest standards of safety.
"If parents are absolutely insistent that their child be circumcised, then I will provide them with the best possible environment to be circumcised," Dr King said.
"The message is: go to a pediatric surgeon who will do it in a respected hospital with a pediatric anaesthetist."
Another surgeon who regularly performs both ritual and routine circumcisions said the crucial issue was the technique used to perform the operation.
"I don't think it is barbaric if it is done quickly and properly," he said.
Different techniques provide different levels of discomfort for the baby."
The surgeon, who declined to be identified by name, said there was also some reason to be concerned that medical practitioners, who were opposed to circumcision, might inadvertently intimidate parents who wanted the procedure done on their sons in order to express their religious convictions.
"The should be able to practise the religious rights without feeling intimidated by society," he said. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 6:58:40 AM | | Well done with your answer,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,everyone it seems is sleeping with the world and his brother/sister. Dont know of many rubber diseases | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 8:16:15 AM | | Wow, that is a lot of words just to say "I have a complex about being un-circumcised." | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 8:33:36 AM | | great dane do u have personal issues?????????????? that u need to argue with every single persons posts and defend ur uncicumsized penis?? no wonder AJ thinks u have some kind of complex. dont blame us. get on with ur life. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 9:37:05 AM |
"great dane do u have personal issues?????????????? that u need to argue with every single persons posts and defend ur uncicumsized penis?? no wonder AJ thinks u have some kind of complex. dont blame us. get on with ur life. "
me.. nope. .
IT's about debunking myths that has arisen. As you would notice my arguments are of a more scientific and medical reasoning rather than tossing around personal opinons as facts.
I find it funny that pro-circumcision people tend to fling personal opinions as some sort of fact and then claim that when presented with evidence to the contrary dismiss it as some sort of complex. I'm all up for listening to why circumcision should be done but no one has of yet brought up a scientifically backed reason behind their opinion.
I have absolutely no problem with people who are circumcised. please understand that. If you like circumcision, that's fine. if you are happy with the way it looks that's fine too. However when people spreading false rumors and myths as facts is when I have an issue. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 10:24:59 AM | This thread is sick.
As with anything, there is no convincing Americans, what they are used to is what is inherently RIGHT, and there is no other way. What complete lack of reason...
Ok, so fat American witches don't like uncut, avoid them! There are plenty of women in europe that aren't quite so propaganda prone.
Circumsision's early intent was to deny a man most of the pleasure in sex. It is no wonder mostly fanatics, religious or otherwise, are still encouraging it; Americans, jews and muslims (I'm kind of surprised I can't add christians to this group, but i dont think it is a standard practice for it's adherents).
Religious conviction is no reason for subjecting a child to such pain!
Oh, and a lot of guys in this thread who had circumsision done as adults are touting it's benefits. But from what they say, it appears most of them suffered from phimosis, a medical condition, and yes, one that warrants having the procedure done. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 10:36:29 AM | "perhaps you skipped my post. It is only going in circles because it appears no reliable scientific reasons are presented for circumcision."
--lol...actually...this is what I have been saying all along...the anti-circ websites only present the issues from one side of the story...playing on the emotional angle rather than proven facts. I did some googling...found that like 99% of sites are biased towards the anti. circ. view point.....but did find one that actually takes in points of consideration from both sies of the issue:
www.circumcisioninfo.com
please read this with an open mind. It has alot of interesting facts and debunks alot of the myths both sides present on this wacked up forum... | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 10:41:57 AM | | I just don't see why anyone would be encouraging circumsision done on babies? It's not that the anti-circumsision people want to ban the practice altogether, it's a simple issue of consent. I truly can't concieve a reason to promote having this done to unwilling infants. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 10:44:11 AM | That is a great website to calm down all of the anti-circumcision propganda.
Bravo! | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 11:07:47 AM |
I did some googling...found that like 99% of sites are biased towards the anti. circ. view point.....but did find one that actually takes in points of consideration from both sies of the issue:
Doesn't that make you scratch your head and wonder? You found ONE website out of a hundred that supports circumcision? | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 11:19:02 AM | | actually...it proves a point which myself and others have been saying all along...the anti circ groups are like a cult...worshipping the foreskin and use illogical and unproven facts to convince themselves of whatever...bunch of zealots...it is better to be objective in this life - and see both sides of an issue before making a decision. Its called intelligence. But, people are going to believe what they are going to believe anyhow...only seeing what they want to see... | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 11:22:04 AM |
actually...it proves a point which myself and others have been saying all along...the anti circ groups are like a cult...
I was trying to say that but the flood control on the board prevented me from doing so.
Bravo to my cheese-free brother! | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 11:34:57 AM | What I find amazing it that noboday seems to care about the fact we damage our sons bodies altering them for the rest of their lives!! Extreme pain, aganoy and life long damage to penis is of no concern to anyone.
Is this becasue no one cares or no one knows! ? | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 2:45:53 PM | | ^^^^ Ummmm.... welcome to this thread! Did you read any of the posts yet? Thanks for coming out! | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 4:07:16 PM | | vindicator most buys here i assume wash and do clean their penises and if they dont its their own fault if you clean it regularly its just as clean as a cut one | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 4:38:30 PM |
It's not that the anti-circumsision people want to ban the practice altogether, it's a simple issue of consent. I truly can't concieve a reason to promote having this done to unwilling infant
Consent? A baby who is a few days old, does not have the ability to concent. As parents, they are responsible to look after their child. making decisions that they believe to be in the best interest of their children...
they have the legal right to do what they think is best... | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 4:53:39 PM | | do u anti-circumsion ppl honestly think a baby boy is going to complain about being circumsized? i think not. just saving him the pain of getting it done when he is older. saving the boy from having to pull the skin back and wash beyond. i am sure its not as sensitive sexually but who cares when ur young? a little boy is more likely to complain about the smegma that gathers under the foreskin then worrying about being circumsized as a baby which he wont even remember. u people that disagree with me or anyone that gets their baby boys circumsized then thats your opinion and option to do so. as it is my option to get it done. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 5:11:06 PM |
--lol...actually...this is what I have been saying all along...the anti-circ websites only present the issues from one side of the story...playing on the emotional angle rather than proven facts. I did some googling...found that like 99% of sites are biased towards the anti. circ. view point.....but did find one that actually takes in points of consideration from both sies of the issue:
www.circumcisioninfo.com
please read this with an open mind. It has alot of interesting facts and debunks alot of the myths both sides present on this wacked up forum...
thank you for being the first to acutally present somethign to back your claims. I admire that.
that website does present some good views and some data to back up some of the claims. so i decided to take a closer look.
Reading the references on that pro circumcision website, which there are only 26 to beghin with, you will find that a lot of the references point towards other peoples opinions and not actual doctors or studies. In fact many of the references point to individual peoples belief who show no medical background (references, 13, 14, 14, 16, 17, 21)
some of the references are also from clearly outdated sources
Reference 19 from 1973, and more notable Reference 26 is from 1964!! back when female circumcision was still practiced in US.
Reference 8 points to a page that does not exist and is from another pro-circumcision website.
I must admit i was a bit disapointed to find this. I was also a bit disapointed to note a lot of personal opinon on that website that did not have any refernece either.
Frankly the reference list is pretty badly done and if presented at a university level course would have the individual flunk just because of it.
take a look at this website
http://www.circumcision.org/
it appears to have quite a few medical articles and it's not just anti-circumcision. I personally used this website when I was finding information for school and it served me quite well in pointing me towards medical literature on the subject.
But again, i thank you for looking into the subject matter. It is nice to see that your opinions have some backing. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 5:24:18 PM |
actually...it proves a point which myself and others have been saying all along...the anti circ groups are like a cult...worshipping the foreskin and use illogical and unproven facts to convince themselves of whatever...bunch of zealots...it is better to be objective in this life - and see both sides of an issue before making a decision. Its called intelligence. But, people are going to believe what they are going to believe anyhow...only seeing what they want to see...
hmm maybe i should retract the thak you.
I believe you have confused anti-circumcision people for pro-circumcision. in which case you will be correct. It appears mroe that the only ones who do not want to even acknowledge the facts before them is you and pro-circumcision.
anti-circumcision use medical research and data to prove their point. Pro-circumcision use unproven reasonings and personal opinion.
As for calling us Zealots??? funny you would choose a term that originally was described of jewish people who supports circumcision. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 5:27:26 PM | | ^^^One of the better written anti-circ. sites....but when I read that a circumcised penis causes vaginal dryness...well..hmmmmmmmmmm....lets just say it lost it's credibility, again, proving that these sites are mostly constructed by uncircumsized fanatics who feel that they need to vindicate (no pun intended!) themselves to the world....and it is laughable how you twisted the truth in the previous post by 180 degrees! Again, proving people only see and read what they choose to... | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 5:47:08 PM | ^^
well the vaginal dryness is what one medical finding discovered. But that's just it. The points are backed from medical journals and not from some random guy. How can you possibly sit there and so easily dismiss it?
I read the website you posted, and i went through the references, it does not appear you did the same. You stating that because you personally disagree with a medical study performed it discredits all points and are made by fanatics? isn't that a bit childish to come to those conclusions?
Seriously i'm very disapointed in your reaction. I would have hoped you could have atleast disproved some of the facts from other medical research.. But then again, maybe you tried to find some and failed because they do not exist.
So please, there are no fanatics here other than perhaps yourself. I do not claim to have amazing medical knowledge. I do what most people do when they are not experts. They read up on research, examine profesional opions and go from there. I can respect your opinion on the topic but please do not throw names or insults around. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 7:14:15 PM | | total difference!!!.....and I prefer cut over turtle necks....have only been with one guy that wasn't cut and I didn't enjoy the BJ very much..ewwwy....sorry no offense, just personal preference and guess it's a comfort thing, more comfortable with what I am use to. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 7:48:27 PM | ^^^
She brings up a good point, I too am most confortable what i am used to.
Maybe thats what makes women decide on what they like best. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 10:53:16 PM |
Consent? A baby who is a few days old, does not have the ability to concent.
Exactly! A baby does not have the ability to consent, so why make a choice for them? If you leave them intact, there's nothing stopping them from getting circumsized when they are able to make the decision for themself. If you circumsize them as a baby, that's it.
do u anti-circumsion ppl honestly think a baby boy is going to complain about being circumsized?
A baby can't verbally articulate it, but it's pretty easy to understand screams of pain coming from a baby. If you're looking for articulation, can a baby boy complain about getting a tattoo? bruises? scalding water? malnutrition? Does that justify subjecting a baby to any of those, because they can't say no?
i think not. just saving him the pain of getting it done when he is older.
Maybe the boy would never have had it done, and there wouldn't have been any pain at all.
saving the boy from having to pull the skin back and wash beyond.
Clearly a trial we must save all boys from. We could also cut off their ears, so they don't have to wash behind them; or their toes, so they don't have to wash between them.
i am sure its not as sensitive sexually but who cares when ur young?
Okay, you cannot possibly be that dense. Do you think that when these boys grow up they can put the foreskin back on to regain sensitivity for sexual activity? If you cut off their foreskin as a baby, their penis will be less sensitive for the rest of their life! That includes when they've grown up into sexually active men.
a little boy is more likely to complain about the smegma that gathers under the foreskin then worrying about being circumsized as a baby which he wont even remember.
Because as everybody knows, the entire point of a penis is for little boys to keep clean. That is, of course, it's ultimate goal, so the easier we make that, the more effective the penis. Great logic, there.  | |
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| What Are the Foreskin's Functions?
Posted: 8/20/2006 3:17:50 AM | What Are the Foreskin's Functions?
The foreskin has numerous protective, sensory, and sexual functions.
• Protection: Just as the eyelids protect the eyes, the foreskin protects the glans and keeps its surface soft, moist, and sensitive. It also maintains optimal warmth, pH balance, and cleanliness. The glans itself contains no sebaceous glands-glands that produce the sebum, or oil, that moisturizes our skin.11 The foreskin produces the sebum that maintains proper health of the surface of the glans.
• Immunological Defense: The mucous membranes that line all body orifices are the body's first line of immunological defense. Glands in the foreskin produce antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as lysozyme.12 Lysozyme is also found in tears and mother's milk. Specialized epithelial Langerhans cells, an immune system component, abound in the foreskin's outer surface.13 Plasma cells in the foreskin's mucosal lining secrete immunoglobulins, antibodies that defend against infection.14
• Erogenous Sensitivity: The foreskin is as sensitive as the fingertips or the lips of the mouth. It contains a richer variety and greater concentration of specialized nerve receptors than any other part of the penis.15 These specialized nerve endings can discern motion, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations of texture.16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23
• Coverage During Erection: As it becomes erect, the penile shaft becomes thicker and longer. The double-layered foreskin provides the skin necessary to accommodate the expanded organ and to allow the penile skin to glide freely, smoothly, and pleasurably over the shaft and glans.
• Self-Stimulating Sexual Functions: The foreskin's double-layered sheath enables the penile shaft skin to glide back and forth over the penile shaft. The foreskin can normally be slipped all the way, or almost all the way, back to the base of the penis, and also slipped forward beyond the glans. This wide range of motion is the mechanism by which the penis and the orgasmic triggers in the foreskin, frenulum, and glans are stimulated.
• Sexual Functions in Intercourse: One of the foreskin's functions is to facilitate smooth, gentle movement between the mucosal surfaces of the two partners during intercourse. The foreskin enables the penis to slip in and out of the vagina nonabrasively inside its own slick sheath of self-lubricating, movable skin. The female is thus stimulated by moving pressure rather than by friction only, as when the male's foreskin is missing.
• The foreskin fosters intimacy between the two partners by enveloping the glans and maintaining it as an internal organ. The sexual experience is enhanced when the foreskin slips back to allow the male's internal organ, the glans, to meet the female's internal organ, the cervix-a moment of supreme intimacy and beauty.
The foreskin may have functions not yet recognized or understood. Scientists in Europe recently detected estrogen receptors in its basal epidermal cells.24 Researchers at the University of Manchester found that the human foreskin has apocrine glands.25 These specialized glands produce pheromones, nature's chemical messengers. Further studies are needed to fully understand these features of the foreskin and the role they play.
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