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 mccullough64
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i don't think we will have to wait for a "Natural" disaster. our over exploitation of resources and pollution and resultant nuclear exchanges should kill us all off by 2040.
 sexyisback!
Joined: 9/14/2010
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Posted: 2/22/2011 12:06:52 PM
^^


i don't think we will have to wait for a "Natural" disaster. our over exploitation of resources and pollution and resultant nuclear exchanges should kill us all off by 2040.



Assuming that you are right, I guess the "Good News" is that given our ages and relatively poor physical conditions, respectively, barring any huge advance in life-extension technology between now and then, you and I will *already* be dead by then...
 swamp_dude
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Posted: 2/23/2011 7:30:24 AM
well bummer for you guys then...
they do seem to have found a potential fountain of youth , so to speak. ... at least for mice in a lab. twas on the news the other night ... but I only caught the tail end and not the name of the reseachers or lab.

maybe someone else knows ... or maybe I'll chance a dialup google search ... lol.
 GlasgowIain2011
Joined: 2/13/2011
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Posted: 3/8/2011 9:14:41 AM
It's amazing how much hogwash people read on the internet without subjecting it to any kind of critical analysis. People who write pseudoscientific blogs about the end of the world make some ludicrous claims. Perhaps they should do their research from peer reviewed papers rather than prophecies of ancient civilisations that weren't able to forsee and thus avert their own collapse.

Several people committed suicide when comet Hale Bopp passed because they believed Jesus was travelling on a spaceship behind it to save them and that they needed to die to reach the spaceship. My concern is we could see alot of suicide cults springing up over 2012 as well.

Magnetic pole reversal does happen, there is magnetic evidence in rocks but rather than being a sudden drastic event it takes place over hundreds of thousands of years. Imperceptible to us but a very short period in geological terms. It's not going to do a somersault on 21 Dec 2012 so take a chill pill!

As for the continents suddenly shifting or the Earth physically flipping over that is completely impossible - what exactly is going to apply the necessary torque? (Newton's first law?). The continents have moved significantly in the past but again over millions of years. The Atlantic ocean is widening at a rate of about 1cm a year. All of the landmass in the world is thought to have existed as a single continent at one time (Geologists called it "Pangea") prior to drifting apart. Part of the landmass that is now the British Isles existed in the southern hemisphere at one time but has moved North due to the same drift process (http://tinyurl.com/6xh3db2). Again this took millions of years.

Solar maxima occur approx. every 11 years. Of course there is the risk to communication systems and long distance power transmission from the EM inductance major solar storms can cause but communication and power companies are well aware of that and looking at ways to protect the infrastructure. Energy security also has major implications for national security as well so I doubt governments are ignoring it. The greatest risk would be to satellites and astronauts but there would be no impact on the biosphere.

Planet X would be visible by now and so too would any asteroid large enough to pose a threat.

As far as problems for the future go we should be far more concerned about progrssive effects like climate change, pollution, dubious experimentation with GMOs, unsustainable fishing and over-exploitation of natural resources. These are very real disasters that will loom if action is not taken and the consequences, particularly for the third world, could be very servere.

2012 was passable as disaster movies go and had some good special effects but NASA scientists say it is the most scientifically flawed disaster movie ever made (plus the acting wasn't great either!)
 LatinDevian
Joined: 3/2/2011
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Posted: 3/8/2011 9:34:56 AM
I occasionally comment often on these threads - not that anyone really sees them nowadays...one wonders why :)

We have been here a very long time

It would depend very much on the focal point that hits the planet and therefore i am inclined to dismiss this as conjecture - the kind that rarely happens...although one mite then argue that increases the chances


Power grid arguments - we are ill prepared and yet we know better for this particular scenario
 slimchance2010
Joined: 9/26/2010
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Posted: 3/8/2011 9:42:58 AM

Don't you think it's strange though, that considering the earth has been here for billions of years , it just so happens it might end when we are alive , what are the chances of that ?


Doom predictions have probably been popping up since mankind developed language. The only difference is that now we have a higher level of technology so the predictions are more grandoise.
I'd have to put better odds on mankind destroying it's self than some rogue comet striking the earth, solar events or what have you.
 jackfouru
Joined: 9/10/2010
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Posted: 3/8/2011 9:48:46 AM

2012 was passable as disaster movies go and had some good special effects but NASA scientists say it is the most scientifically flawed disaster movie ever made (plus the acting wasn't great either!)


I had no idea the 2012 movie was supposed to be based on science. The rest of your post is spot on, and let me add that the end times have been predicted foreever and haven't happened yet.
 GlasgowIain2011
Joined: 2/13/2011
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Posted: 3/8/2011 10:53:07 AM

I had no idea the 2012 movie was supposed to be based on science. The rest of your post is spot on, and let me add that the end times have been predicted foreever and haven't happened yet.


I meant it was passable as entertainment. The science was completely fictional - based on the notion of neutrinos heating up the earth's core like microwaves. Their interaction with matter is virtually non-existant because they have no charge and negligible mass, hence the extreme difficulty (unlike ionising radiation) in actually detecting them. Anything external that actually could heat the Earth's core would be prevented from doing so by inability to reach it - most of the heat inside the Earth is generated by radioactive decay within the mantle anyway. Also neutrinos are a product of fusion reactions in stars, not solar flares (which produce charged particles). Also the inner core is solid due to the extreme pressure acting on it.

Frankly the engines of the Starship Enterprise are more scientifically plausible.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 3/8/2011 4:43:40 PM
The emerging evidence that suggests quite compellingly, that GMO Corn and Soy is killing our organs and rendering us sterile is worth considering as our Borg manipulates our herd into submission. Monsanto is GOOD and is our MASTER. Greed is good.
 Paul K
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Posted: 3/8/2011 5:04:04 PM
^^^^^^^^

And that "evidence" would take the form of........... what exactly? Sterile is not as bad as you might make it out to be, just think of all the money saved on vasectomies, abortions and birth control! Hey puppy, those savings alone could fund a larger military!!!

You see, there can always be good coming from bad!

Paul K
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 3/8/2011 5:35:44 PM
Agreed Paul K.
That is precisely why pro-"life" people are so gung-ho for oil-wars, post-birth abortions of muslims sitting on OUR oil, the death penalty for even innocent black folks caught up in racism, and GitMo brown folks, hispanics crossing back into territorial lands to kin, and doctors and liberals who don't believe right thangs.

The studies on GMO soy and corn are still being peer-reviewed.
http://www.responsibletechnology.org/article-gmo-soy-linked-to-sterility
Many links if you look. But the onus is upon those with doubts to prove the claims of the benign nature to be other-wise, rather than the producers of such technologies to prove safety over the long term. The game is stacked to protect the corporate scum-sucker profiteers/capitalist extremists, who by all political and physical means, can control studies, findings, litigation, and truth by mere bucks alone...truth be damned in the process. While you may love that money is the ultimate truth in all things capitalistic, others value actual truth, accountability, and appropriate response to do less evil to be the other alternative.
 Paul K
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Posted: 3/9/2011 9:38:00 AM
Hey puppy

As was pointed very eloquently by another poster a while back, while you may think that you are leading an existance that all should emulate, what you do is only possible because all others DON'T do as you do. Imagine if everybody lived in the woods, crapped in a hole, burned wood for heat, etc............ Not long before we all would really be in one big $hithole.

The ultimate truth that I see in capitalism is not the money, but the opportunity it affords anybody who sees how to access said opportunity. But, just keep patting yourself on the back, and keep on bemoaning how the deck is stacked against you.

More to life than that.

Paul K
 iceaxe
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Posted: 11/22/2011 3:55:28 PM
An informative treatise on the subject:

http://blog.ted.com/2007/09/25/stephen_petrane/
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
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Posted: 11/22/2011 5:39:14 PM

Paulk..it is almost as if you do not realize you are a troll. Most thinking folks have acknowledged you as such. Contribute something real and positive when you can some day. Good luck with the surgery.


Pups, when will you learn not to bang your head against a brick wall or not to feed the troll? I have a list of four or five people to whom I just don't respond--even if they address me directly by name!

(Grin.)
 MikeWM
Joined: 2/7/2011
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Posted: 11/23/2011 6:30:03 AM

Re-distribution of wealth, of anything, is an anethema to freedom because what it does is strip the achievements of those that actually earned them, and gives them to those that are seen in the eyes of what can rightly be called a facist, totalitarian, central power regime. Yet how many people fail to see this as the result of following their feelings of pity for someone, instead of looking at the circumstnces, and if those that did not achieve had the same opportunity, then to leave them to their own means.


I think thats a veiw sold to people and indoctrinated into them by a regime whose chosen method of facism is the consumer and debt based method of control and subjugation tbh

It doesnt matter what political ideology you look at theyre all pretty much the same and the people at the top have the best lives and the most comfort whilst doing the least work, whilst the majority tend to find themselves at the bottom doing the most work for the least comfort and the worst lives

A consumer society that taxes the bulk of people so much that its almost impossible for them to break out of that existence is no less "socialist" nor "communist" than actual socialism or communism in reality

The introduction of money becomes irrelevant to some degree when taxation ensures that pretty much all of it will have to be spent on basic needs

The only real advantage a capitalist version of facism has over other versions is that you have far more levels of "gain" with which to buy off peoples compliance and avoid massive social uprisings as well as the ability to direct each group or levels frustrations towards slightly different, higher or lower groups as a way to dissipate desire for change by misdirection whilst also avoiding the possibility that all groups would unite and focus their dissatisfaction on the top couple of tiers who are really to blame

Most "redistribution" ideas tend to be quite deliberate though, and I suspect in many cases thats quite deliberate to cause the notion to be viewed as "silly"

But what IS actually needed, and what would create "actual" freedom is just simply a fairer distribution rather than some idealistic equal redistribution

Whatever the political model in use its main focus is power being held and weilded by the few. Whether that power is defined in capitalist circles by wealth and the ability to control political power through economics or whether its communist power that is measured in the military force available

Both structures are practically the same objectively and both rely heavily on constant brainwashing of their subjects to create a majorative conformity of outlooks and thinking within its own particular paradigm

Although we are now heading into the third era of social control where its moving towards the same tiny group of people who have "power" focusing on a global regime but the bigger the catchment area the less the idea of actual "freedom" becomes and the more its working definition is altered to signify choosing between dictators rather than any actual freedom in life
 swamp_dude
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Posted: 11/23/2011 8:16:30 AM
Funny how we start talking about "End Days" and get twisted into some stupid Facist Democrap rhetoric about political garbage .... stop with the off topic posting.

Thanks for the TED link ... Ice
its always good reading. too bad he left out the ..... Yellowstone super eruption that is also overdue.
 Kohmelo
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Posted: 11/23/2011 4:04:32 PM
I think my dad used to have a shirt or mug that read

"What if the whole world farted at once?"

There's a cataclypse... appocalism... Ragnapture.. Doomageddon... Judgementius type event that could occur.

I think it is our duty as humans to be prepared for these catastropic events, each in our own way. Not out of fear that they might occur, but with the intent of surviving. If we do not keep ourselves superior in strength, speed, intellect, technology et al, we will surely die off... it is survival of the fittest and we must advance ourselves to maintain our place.

I worry sometimes about the end of the world too. I, unfortunately, do not have the time nor the education to research and plan how to prevent the devil's alien invasion during a sudden pole shift created by solar winds passing through the hole in the ozone layer... however, I can do things to make myself the best I can be and competetively fit so that in the event of the above, I can survive and help my children survive that they might repopulate the earth
 MikeWM
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Posted: 11/23/2011 4:38:58 PM
I have had part one of my preparations for an apocalyptic event in place for years

I have TONS of tinned food so I can survive afterwards

But at some point I need to put part two in place and replace my electric can opener with a manual one
 Paul K
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Posted: 11/23/2011 5:41:56 PM
The best way to prepare for total apocalyptic event is to understand that if it does get that bad, the only law recognized will be a muzzle flash......................

In the respect, I have all the food, water and shelter I will need.

Paul K
 A_Gent
Joined: 8/18/2011
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Posted: 11/26/2011 11:47:24 AM
Did you know.. or maybe you don't .. that you could have a weakness in one of the arteries in your brain... and it may be expanding this very moment... aneurysm you know.... and one day when you stress it just a little too much... like when you are sitting on the can and need to give a little extra grunt and then ... Pop!!!

And if you live alone it might be a week or more before the stench and flies would alert the neighbours.

Just wanted to pass that along.

Have a nice day!
 RATHLINLIGHTHOUSE
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Posted: 11/28/2011 5:21:56 AM
pixydust >>>>>It's interesting that we have developed the means of seeing a astroid and it proximity to the Earth yet can do nothing to stop it

Until the invention of the electronic camera and computer screen we could not see haemorrhoids either.
Now that we can see them perhaps in great detail we discover we can do very little about them either

I know I would prefer destruction by one of your astroids rather than the alternative.
 swamp_dude
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Posted: 12/1/2011 7:48:16 AM
Honestyl .... so few people are ..."dwelling" on ... end days ... that its laughable and easy to pass them off as mentally disturbed.
 DameWrite
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Posted: 12/1/2011 1:14:52 PM
The aliens (viruses) have invaded our planet (body). We should not have poisoned our spaceship (body) with chemicals (greed). Now that we've depleted our natural resources (immune system) and poisoned our atmosphere (mind), we just might be doomed.
I get the feeling conscious people like Earth Puppy will be one of the last standing though, and cudos for him for not tapping out. (giving up). I'm not giving up either. Troll's already tapped out, hence their envy of those still trying (loving).
 celladore
Joined: 11/11/2011
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Posted: 12/2/2011 11:30:35 AM
the planet is ****ed, no debate, just look around further than your noses. what brilliant plan could possibly change the affect the human race has had on this planet, except stop the human race.
The remarkable thing is that the planet is a living structure and sooner or later the nature of that structure will protect itself from the bacteria growing on it that the rest of the universe call Earsian.
 swamp_dude
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Posted: 12/5/2011 10:45:52 AM
There is an up side to "End Time" [can't be times cause it will only happen once]

the big plus is all debts even if not absolved will have an unattainable due date and ya won't have to stress over what to get anyone for xmas anymore.
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