| | mothers banned for being british in playgroup?Page 2 of 3 (1, 2, 3) | A spokeswoman for the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said under the Equality Act 2010 it is not unlawful to set up a group especially for a particular ethnic or national group.
If they did wouldn't that group be deemed to be racist ?? | |
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| mothers banned for being british in playgroup?
Posted: 1/19/2011 5:38:26 PM | Goodness gracious me..the Daily Mail needs to get over it's paranoia already!!
A play group, held once a week on a Thursday, geared towards acclimatising women who are mothers of young toddlers to their new surroundings in their new country is flouting equality laws????
Talk about grasping at straws!
How do they know what exact needs of the mothers involved are being met during the weekly sessions and if British women who've lived all their lives in the country could avail of the same thing....it could be the case that when the children are being given structured play by trained staff that the mothers are being taught English and being given advice on their rights or maybe being taught about British ways...I assume the voluntary staff who work there are British themselves or have lived in Britain long enough to be able to help in that regard.
There are lots of playgroups run by various organisations which cater to the needs of specific types of children and mothers which would be a waste of time for those who don't have those same specific needs to join.
Why can't the two mothers who wanted to join the playgroup organise their own, I think if the church refused to give them the space in their community centre (or whatever) to do that could be deemed discriminatory...How hard could it be to organise a weekly playgroup for a couple of hours and get a grant for it from the council to help out?
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| mothers banned for being british in playgroup?
Posted: 1/19/2011 5:43:38 PM | Why can't the two mothers who wanted to join the playgroup organise their own
Simple as if the 2 mothers organised a playgroup for the british only they would be classed as being racist or prejudice .To the post below me this thread is about a playgroup for non british people why should they be allowed to do that and get away with it , if the british did that we would be classed as racists or being prejudice or discriminating against people not being british .And they wanted to join as it was free and also so that there children could play with children from other races and integrate in the community , but yet her friend who is indian was born in britain so she is british but they let her children join saying her parents wernt born in britain | |
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| mothers banned for being british in playgroup?
Posted: 1/19/2011 6:03:30 PM | You don't know the two women in question so you cannot presume that if they were to organise a playgroup it would be for British nationals only so your point is null and void.
According to the OP the women wanted their children to be a part of a playgroup with children of different ethnicities, I can't see what is preventing them from doing that for themselves.
I don't know if you yourself are a mother and if you have had need of a playgroup in the past or even presently but often what happens and what is dicussed amongst the mothers at such play groups are not allowed to be repeated outside of the group..it's not just about children playing together, it's also very much about mothers sharing similar issues and gaining confidence from the freedom of sharing with others in the same situation safe in the knowledge that what they say or moan about will be kept between themselves.
I can understand why fathers would be excluded from such a group if there are mothers there who come from certain cultures where fraternising with men sans chaperones is frowned upon, so for many reasons immigrant mothers, might themselves, feel excluded from joining other more freer and all encompassing playgroups. | |
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| mothers banned for being british in playgroup?
Posted: 1/19/2011 6:26:56 PM | | And yes i do have children grown up now though , so i do know what playgroups are , but looking at your profile you dont have children , and the playgroups i took my child to also had fathers there , a playgroup is for children to interact with other children or used to be when my child was young , so unless playgroups have changed i dont know where your idea has come from (what is dicussed amongst the mothers at such play groups are not allowed to be repeated outside of the group..) as when my child was young a few of us mothers would go for a cup of tea and discuss our time at the playgroup | |
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| mothers banned for being british in playgroup?
Posted: 1/19/2011 8:07:27 PM | I would agree that, ostensibly, a playgroup is designed to get children used to socialising with each other and playing together but I'm sure a lot of parents join them so that they can make friends with other parents and perhaps enjoy play dates with the people they and their children get on with outside of the playgroup also.
I worked in a Cheshire home where some of the adult clients decided to open up a weekly drop in centre for children with special needs ranging from down syndrome to autism, including severe cerebral palsy, children with hydrocephalus etc.
How this benefited the parents of those children and the disabled carers was manifold, I worked as an assistant to one of the disabled carers ..she directed me in what I should do, each qualified child carer had a personal assistant, the objective of that particular playgroup was to empower those adults with severe physical disabilities (who were trained in childcare and fully qualified to do the job with assistance) and give them an opportunity to give back to the community, it also offered minimal but very necessary respite to the parents of the disabled children who were being looked after for a couple of hours every Saturday....and the children themselves benefited hugely from being amongst other children in their age group who had similar difficulties but most of all from learning that as adults they could achieve the same as their older peers in the future.
I don't know how useful it would have been to them to have able-bodied children included in the group, or how it would have affected the dynamic...obviously most who are born disabled are born to able-bodied parents and siblings but I'm sure it was nice for them to be amongst those who could relate to them personally as opposed to just those who might feel a bit awkward and embarrassed and who didn't quite understand the problems posed by their apparent physical and mental limitations.
Sometimes an exclusive group is a good thing.
At all times I was reminded to respect the privacy of the clients/children who attended the group...I would never ever have discussed named individuals with other people or gossiped about them.
I worked in a private creche too and I did some training as a playgroup leader in a Barnardo's run mother and toddler group, so I would think that my experience denotes that I am fairly knowledgeable about stuff like this. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2011 11:40:19 PM | If the majority of the children and staff speak in a language other than English would you want you child to go there?
Or is it more to do with the fact that as a minority they can do/say something you would like to but cant? | |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 12:38:56 AM | maisie  there is very little help out there for familys with disabled children .when my son was younger i did a playgroup attached to a support group .The support group was for familys with disabled children ,,These children were very vulnrable not one could speak .. but disability has never been racist ... It can hit any child from any country .We had a boy and his mum from iraq a mother and son from ethopia .. There cultures are diffrent i soon as the other women did made friends with them ..Even had them over for dinner and they did the same there hospitality was just beautifull there cooking was awesome .There homes decorated very diffrent from mine a lot of african things even african drums in the ethopian womens house ..Im still friends with them .Now i learnt about them , They learnt about me ...Ilearned about diffrent cultures ........... This benifited both ...So i think this church is wrong in what they are doing ...We need to embrass other cultures ... We are a multicultural britain .... These women attend this playgroup are not to blaim for these rules ..The church is who is running the group ... get some new parishanars i expect ....... respecting people from other cultures is to have then included ...... We as a playgroup did only have disabled children this is allowed .... As it was attached to a support group ...Disabled children have a variety of needs so we were not breaking the law .............. All able bodyed kids at toddler stage can mix very easy with any other child this benifits the child ..I think we have a church looking for new recruits and this is not in these familys best intrests ..When dealing with other cultures religion (im very religious) should be left out .............. lucipher said his teacher said he didnt care what the kids believed as long as they believed in something ........Iagree 100% This church thinks its right in what its doing it isnt .If these children are going to stay in britain let them make friends best time to start is young .This playgroup we had was twice a week . My very disabled child went to an ordinary play group the rest of the week ..As this was for his benifit to be amoungst kids who could speak as he has no hearing isues .He also went to main stream council run nursery this benifited him.. but my son with no speach had to mix with kids with speach ... to learn ...... School is diffrent hes at special needs school ... But my point is if these kids cant speak english , The best way to learn it is from english toddlers ....My son was never expected to speak at 6 i herd his beautifull voice again .. had not since he was just turning 2.......But all the kids he had mixed with all played a part in teaching him ................So i no what this church is doing is not benifiting these kids ...........My son is now a human budgy never stops talking ......... music to my ears .......must stop feeding him trill lol | |
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| mothers banned for being british in playgroup?
Posted: 1/20/2011 1:08:22 AM |
Why are "Anti-Natal Clinics" only open to people who are pregnant...?
Why Is "Disability Living Allowance" only paid to those who are disabled...?
Why can't I, as an able-bodied, "white", tax-paying British man, get a mobility scooter for free...?
(A segway would be even better, I am very lazy)
Why are nursery schools only open to the under-5's...?
Why are English classes only open to "foreigners"...?
Why should only the unemployed get Dole money....?
It's an outrage!
I don't think you have understood the OP, ante-natal clinics are open to ALL pregnant women, DLA is available to ALL disabled, You can't have a disability scooter because your able bodied that would be the same if you were black, didn't work but were ABLE bodied.
You can have a segway, though like everyone else would have to pay yourself but weren't they just banned from the road and the paths so would have stick to your garden.
Nursery schools are open to ALL under-5's, Englaish classes are available to ENGLISH as well who may be iliterate, Dole money is mostly available to ALL unemployed.
If a friend reccomends a free playgroup in the town that you live and you go along I think most would be put out if they declined entry because they are British and the reasoning is they are trying to help and encourage integration. The play group wasn't trying to discriminate and I would imagine the women and children who use this facility on a thursday use the others during the week but this gives them a chance to share with other people what it is like to go somewhere completely different and gain practical and moral support, like the language, form filling and local customs and traditions.
My only issue is that it is free where as the others have to pay and that creates division as one group is trated better than the other. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 3:00:57 AM | | The none british mother told the british mother about the play group pud so she is more than able to communicate . Is it moral support there getting or are they being converted ......... The volanteers are from the church who have just applied for vetting .and got it..........You can get vetting even if not qualified so the volanteers most likely have no qualifications .. So in fact they dont no that having a multicultural group would be the best ...The none british women probably told the british women as she wanted her to go and she was wanting to make friends ... This church stoped that . What better a welcome to get to a new country a women from that country sitting and helping you to understand...If i was the british women id set my own up right next door welcome everyone with open arms have it 3 days a week and make sure they leaflet the women at this group ... This one would soon no longer be needed as the new group would benifit the comunity as a whole community.... They also must have a board of directors lmao yes there also most likely the volanteers from the church .................Doesnt smell right to me | |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 5:17:54 AM |
I'm still trying to work out how segragation and divide = Integration and Unity????
The cars on the motorway don't all stop when a car wants to join it, the car picks up speed to fit in with the flow of the traffic already on the motorway.
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Posted: 1/20/2011 5:43:56 AM | I don't think you have understood the OP,
I think I understood it completely. 
Maisie makes the case far more eloquently.
This is basically a 'play group', set up to help immigrant mothers, who need help in integrating into British Society.
I would have considered that a fairly laudable objective.
The real question is:
Did these two British women NEED help, integrating into British society...?
The answer may well be "yes", as they clearly seem not to understand very well.
But I suspect not....
However, I suspect that because of funding difficulties, and demand, this organisation has to limit itself to providing this service only to those in the most need.
ie., non-English immigrants.
English people, complaining about not being allowed to get into organisations designed to help to integrate people, is just ridiculous.
Which is why I tried to show some other ridiculous examples.
You may as well ask "why are only fish allowed to live submerged in water..?"
JMO
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Posted: 1/20/2011 5:56:36 AM |
Did these two British women NEED help, integrating into British society...?
If that society is now including people of other nationalities that they haven't encountered before, then yes.
English people, complaining about not being allowed to get into organisations designed to help to integrate people, is just ridiculous.
Not nearly as ridiculous as that statement! As I said before, I didn't think you believed in nationality.
You may as well ask "why are only fish allowed to live submerged in water..?"
JMO
Stop being so whale-ist, octopusist and coralist! Equal rights for spongebob squarepants! | |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 7:06:28 AM |
This is basically a 'play group', set up to help immigrant mothers, who need help in integrating into British Society.
I would have considered that a fairly laudable objective.
If that was the case , then why did they allow an indian woman who was born and bred in britain and classed as british join? She doesnt need help intergrating in british society and then when the british woman asked why the indian woman was allowed to join as she was born and bred in britain , they replied her parents were not , but isnt a playgroup about mothers and children , not about where the grandparents are from ? | |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 7:14:43 AM | There are many British who do need to integrate into society where they have had lives of imprisonment or have spent many years through mental health institutions but as far as i'm aware these groups do not operate policies based on colour or race?
The main purpose of the group is to integrate therefore what better opportunity to integrate is there than allowing those they isolate from to become part of the group.
They will be experiencing integration first hand rather than learning about it........you can't beat experience can you !
This group and those who support it are sending out a clear message that apartheid is permissable as long as it's self imposed.
It is both a mockery of racial equality and an insult to the tax payer in funding the discrimatory policies of this play group . | |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 7:33:51 AM |
There are many British who do need to integrate into society where they have had lives of imprisonment or have spent many years through mental health institutions but as far as i'm aware these groups do not operate policies based on colour or race?
interesting enough, on way to villa park the other week i spotted this ....
http://www.copefoundation.org.uk/home/
so is that fair? i mean what would happen if it said white and british only? | |
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| mothers banned for being british in playgroup?
Posted: 1/20/2011 7:41:30 AM | interesting enough, on way to villa park the other week i spotted this ....
http://www.copefoundation.org.uk/home/
Racial equality working at it's finest !!
I can only repeat .............
This group and those who support it are sending out a clear message that apartheid is permissable as long as it's self imposed. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 7:48:16 AM |
then why did they allow an indian woman who was born and bred in britain and classed as british join? She doesnt need help intergrating in british society and then when the british woman asked why the indian woman was allowed to join as she was born and bred in britain , they replied her parents were not ,
Do you know that this "indian woman" could actually speak English, and was she at ease amongst British people..?
Many people from those backgounds don't speak a word of English, possibly because of their ridiculous religious/cultural beliefs.
The main purpose of the group is to integrate therefore what better opportunity to integrate is there than allowing those they isolate from to become part of the group.
They will be experiencing integration first hand rather than learning about it........you can't beat experience can you !
This group and those who support it are sending out a clear message that apartheid is permissable as long as it's self imposed.
It is both a mockery of racial equality and an insult to the tax payer in funding the discrimatory policies of this play group .
The group is run by British volunteers, who they presumably believe can offer a sufficient "British" input, and as they only have limited places, they should surely go to those who can benefit most from it...?
And surely, as many as possible, for the resources they have...?
Otherwise, how many British mothers would you allow in...?
Half of them...?
Three quarters..?
All of them...?
The group gets £20/week from a council grant, that probably just about buys the biscuits.
This is just another daily mail rant against "immigrants", that the hard-of-thinking will be whipped into a frenzy of indignation about.
The women have said that the reason they chose this one, was because it was free, whereas the others were £2/week.
The Daily mail complains when people don't "integrate", and then complains when they try to , because "it's free", and because "British women are discriminated against"
Give me a break!
Why should only non-swimmers get free swimming lessons...?
Why shouldn't people who can already swim, also be given free swimming lessons..? | |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:09:16 AM |
Do you know that this "indian woman" could actually speak English, and was she at ease amongst British people..?
Many people from those backgounds don't speak a word of English, possibly because of their ridiculous religious/cultural beliefs.
Thats bullcrap i am from that background born and bred in england , we are taught to speak english, and it was pretty obvious she could speak english as she told her friends about the playgroup , people who are born here with indian/asian background are taught english from very young aswell as their own language . | |
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| mothers banned for being british in playgroup?
Posted: 1/20/2011 8:40:04 AM |
The group is run by British volunteers, who they presumably believe can offer a sufficient "British" input, and as they only have limited places, they should surely go to those who can benefit most from it...?
And surely, as many as possible, for the resources they have...?
Unfortunately in the real world charity volunteers are not always available in our day to day lives.
The group gets £20/week from a council grant, that probably just about buys the biscuits.
AA meetings rely on even less than £20 a week (self sufficient, not funded at all) , the more that attend the more they make in donations , the more the donations the bigger the venue, the bigger the venue the more people they can help.
This is just another daily mail rant against "immigrants", that the hard-of-thinking will be whipped into a frenzy of indignation about.
The women have said that the reason they chose this one, was because it was free, whereas the others were £2/week.
The Daily mail complains when people don't "integrate", and then complains when they try to , because "it's free", and because "British women are discriminated against"
Give me a break!
Google the story, every paper has covered this article in a similar way.......they can't all be racist surely ??????
Why should only non-swimmers get free swimming lessons...?
Why shouldn't people who can already swim, also be given free swimming lessons..?
Are we talking racist swimmers/non swimmers here ?
A council has been fiercely criticised for holding ethnic-minority only swimming sessions.
Wolverhampton City Council employs special life-guards and instructors for the sessions, which are open to the city's black and Asian residents only.
It claims the weekly periods are for women and children with "religious or cultural issues which would otherwise prevent them from taking part."
But furious pool-users say they amount to racial segregation and claim they are being prevented from using the pool - simply because they may be white.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-425238/Row-ethnic-minority-swimming-sessions-women-children.html#ixzz1Batk3dcR
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:50:43 AM | errr wrong jo, as this says otherwise ......
Roger Owen, the administrator for Making Links, said: "We have had an issue with men turning up before and back then we told them the group is strictly for mothers so it's nothing to do with racial discrimination.
"It is a group for ladies from other countries. It is not for British people.
"It started out as a church group but is now run by a local charity and we get money from writing to organisations such as housing associations, the local council and the lottery.
"It is quite hard work but obviously we get the money on the basis its a group for ladies from other nations.
"There is a creche and ladies can bring their children, but it is not strictly a playgroup. It is what the Government calls a single identity group." | |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 9:38:26 AM | So the whole story is crap!
They do let "British" people in!
well yes if your not british white as they let the indian woman who is british in , so really it depends on your skin colour which boils down to racism
(Ministers said the group was ‘divisive’ and ‘racist’.
Last night the Department of Communities and Local Government announced it would effectively abolish it by cutting its public funding.)
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| mothers banned for being british in playgroup?
Posted: 1/20/2011 10:15:55 AM | The group gets £20/week from a council grant, that probably just about buys the biscuits.
I'm unsure how you have arrived solely at this amount as we are not privy to their financial audit details or how many other contributing donators/funders there are and how much they give?
What we are privy to is .........
Making Links gets £5,000 towards its £11,000 running costs from Government funding, £1,000 comes from the local council and the rest from lottery handouts.
I reckon the greedy b'stards are splashing out on vast quantities of Chocolate Hobnobs instead of Custard Creams !!
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Posted: 1/22/2011 2:44:49 AM | | its bang out of order ! This is Britain,them woman are British,there families have paid Britain loadsa taxes all there lives, how dare they be treated like that in there own country!BANG OUT OF ORDER. | |
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