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Posted: 11/4/2004 3:37:01 PM | | I'm absolutely against it. The reason is that there is no guarantee that no-one who is innocent will not die. The system is not perfect and mistakes happen. Its just not worth an innocent person's life. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2004 2:57:37 AM | with u there ..mistakes do happen..guess ive read one too many books tht were non-fiction and spoke of how someone got away with something and the one they framed sat in the electric chair or whtever..
john grishams The Chamber kinda makes u all teary-eyed in the end too.. but even if someone deserves to b punished for something - a short, painless death (which is my idea of the pot of gold at the end of lifes rainbow) wud hardly b classified as punishement.. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2004 6:31:14 AM | BARN I TOTALLY AGREE..... I USED TO BE TOTALLY FOR THE DEATH PENALTY UNTIL I REALIZED THAT INNOCENTS WERE BEING EXECUTED.....
I SUGGEST YOU ALL SEE THE MOVIE "THE LIFE OF DAVID GALE''
MAYBE YOU WILL THINK TWICE. | |
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| Death Penlaty
Posted: 11/5/2004 7:41:20 AM | Putting your fellow citizens to death in the name of the state is barbarian.
What happens when a mistake is made ?
Thanks to DNA we're now finding out how many innocent men have spent years imprisonned for a crime they never committed.
I know lets ask; Guy Paul Moran, Steven Trusscott and others how they feel. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2004 7:49:54 AM | | and also thanks to DNA we're able to prove these people have commited the crimes and deserve the death penalty. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2004 9:27:25 PM | | i still felt ted bundy could be turned around and john wayne gayce,or the green river killer.i dont want them in my town.ther is bill to give all inmates dna test ,hope it passes dont want to kill an innocent person. | |
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Loukus
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Joined: 2/15/2004
Msg: 32 | |
| Death Penlaty
Posted: 11/5/2004 10:25:48 PM | If you murder someone, your life is forfiet.
Seems pretty straight forward to me. | |
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ousu
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Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 33 | |
| Death Penlaty
Posted: 11/6/2004 2:35:37 AM | I agree with ”no death sentence”, and with the statement it belongs to the barbarism.
No one, not a person, not a state should take the position where it can decide about ending human life which I see untouchable, the greatest of miracles/gifts.
I would like to bring here also a question about the vision on the field of prison administration:
I saw some time ago a Canadian document which compared prison systems in different countries. There were two extremity:
1) Prison sentence was mainly a punishment where the prisoner was isolated from so called normal world totally, and also treated in pretty inhumane way.
2) Prisoner was treaten (maybe the first time in his/her life depending on the circumstances he/she was originally coming from) with certain dignity, in a matter-of-fact way. In this system prisoners had a possibility to finish their studies (basic and university) or learn an occupation, and also to have proper therapy.
The target was more to integrate in the society than to isolate from it totally – in latter case the point was isolation would just grow the prisoner from the society he was supposed to live again after the prison. The constant touch with other people was like controlled learning process.
Idea behind all this was: first we have to respect ourselves, and feel we are as valuable as other people, and via this we would have healthier attitude to our fellow men. | |
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| Death Penlaty
Posted: 11/6/2004 2:39:39 AM | | besides depending on the crime, you also have to remember........ they have to be guilty "beyond a doubt". How would you feel being on a jury that gave the death sentance to find out years later you were wrong? | |
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ousu
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Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 35 | |
| Death Penlaty
Posted: 11/6/2004 3:14:47 AM | | To make my opinion clearer: I would replace death sentence with life time sentence (hopefully this was the correct term)... What I was saying about different prison systems and methods was about other type of sentences. | |
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| Death Penlaty
Posted: 11/6/2004 3:25:27 AM | lol my remark was not against you at all, I believe in the death sentance myself. But from reading some of the posts......... well that is why I said what I did.
There are many aspects to a death sentance being imposed, there are murders who commit the crime and admit to it, but get a life sentance instead of death.
And when the state takes on a prisoner, they have to take care of them. This means that if they need a transplant, they get put on a waiting list, I am opposed to this, they get expensive surgery that many of us cannot afford....... the list does go on. I work at a nursing home and have many residents who are not "old", but cannot have certain surgeries because medicaid wont pay for it, certain medications......... unfair, hell yea! | |
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ousu
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Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 37 | |
| Death Penlaty
Posted: 11/6/2004 3:38:27 AM | LOL I know it, havgreeneyes, but after reading your post I thought it would be easy to misunderstand my point of view - that prison system was a different issue than death sentence :)
Ah, what you say about surgeries and not being able to afford them, I agree with you, it sucks. The countries in that document happened to be USA (isolating system) and Finland (healing) which of course are totally different as cases if you think administration. Our social system is different, the size of population makes it easier. | |
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yna6
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Joined: 5/2/2004
Msg: 38 | |
| Death Penlaty
Posted: 11/6/2004 6:37:48 AM | Ok..the idea of sentancing an "innocent" to death is becoming more and more unrealistic given the DNA tests, etc now available. Mistakes were made in the past, no doubt about that. BUT...with todays technology, it is a completely different ballgame.
We have to remember that locking these people up for life is NOT a good thing. They have NOTHING to lose, and THAT makes them much more dangerous to society in general, and to their guards. NOBODY here has brought that little point up. What IF one of them escaped? Killing while escaping ,to them would be nothing because they are already going to be spending their entire lives behind bars....so they are WAY more dangerous. Far better for society in general to put thses people in a place where they cannot in any way make a danger to ANYONE....a grave would do nicely.
There are some corporations now operating building and running jails. Perhaps this is wrong. It costs millions a year for the taxpayer....Perhaps a place should be chosen where prisoners could be deposited and forced to live their lives, or for their sentence, in an isolated area. A big "box canyon" type thing where they would be forced to grow their own food, build their own shelters, and would have to get along with their fellow prisoners. Drop them and forget them. The highest technology would be a hammer and nails and a saw. A real "pioneer" type setting. Use the Army to guard it. No other guards....no "civilians" in there. When their time is up, they can hike out to the main gate and be released. They will learn something about themselves AND their place in society with their fellow man.
A "life sentence" is not life....true. It isn't. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2004 11:46:33 AM | hmmmmmm and do you think that would work? Makes me think of a movie with Kurt Russell in it, Escape from (heck if I can remember where).
If you want people to learn you have to teach them and set examples.... | |
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| Death Penlaty
Posted: 11/6/2004 6:55:17 PM | | kill them all. if they were innocent, god will save them. back in the day, if someone was caught stealing...off with the hands...not too many theives around back then. now thats the only things you see. kill them before they kill again. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2004 3:11:39 PM | | For those that go back and forth regarding their beliefs and would like an insightful and educational evaluation on the matter. I would suggest reading a book called "THe Ultimet Punishment" by acclaimed criminal prosecutor and author, Scott Turow. Also a book by Sister Helen Prejean titled, "Dead Man Walking", which a movie was made about. Very informative and enlightening. The question that I mill over now is "Could the Death Penalty every really be justly applied and how"? | |
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Posted: 11/8/2004 6:51:30 PM | it's so typical of men like larry691 to be against abortion rights for women, yet he doesn't want serial killers in his neighborhood, so therefore, the death penalty will solve that problem. just as abortion is legal, sadly, so is the death penalty in some states. this is the world we live in folks. and we have ourselves to thank for it all.
personally... i'd rather see a prisioner sit in a 6x6 cell for the rest of his/her godforsaken life and remember why they're where they are than to see them get off as easy as a dog being put down so it no longer has to suffer. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2004 7:50:49 PM | | Yes, I find it intresting that many people who are aganist abortion, are for the death penalty. I have always been for the death penalty until the past few years where D.N.A. has proven some on death row to be innocent. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2004 9:30:22 PM | | yep byrd... this world is full of hypocrits but i guess that's a part of what keeps life exciting. when you really think about it... who's the better person... the vet that puts your dog to sleep because they think it's suffering, the person that pulls the switch on a prisoner on death row so the victims left behind no longer suffer, the mother that makes a concious decision to have an abortion or the family member that pulls the plug to save a person from suffering? there's no safe answer to that question because they all involve the killing of a human being or family pet. is one better than the other because of the circumstances... probably not. they are all alike in that in each situation there is a choice. the person that makes the choice has to live with the outcome. so whether you are for or against the death penalty, ask yourself... could you live with yourself knowing that you took the life of another human being? add to the equation the fact that you may be executing and innocent person. i personally couldn't live with myself if i took another human beings life... but to each his own. just felt like sharin' my opinion. :) | |
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yna6
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Joined: 5/2/2004
Msg: 45 | |
| Death Penlaty
Posted: 11/8/2004 11:47:38 PM | There are vertain ones who are on my own personal "better dead" list....and I'd take my turn as executioner if given the chance. I KNOW these people are NOT innocent in any way, shape or form...they are the REAL dregs of society that are better off flushed...not only for the taxpayer, but for everyone. IF one of these guys ever escaped, they wouldn't give a hoot in hell if they killed anyone while out, so why even take the chance? Nope....the death penalty is a proper form of punishment, and can be done WAY cheaper than the millions that so many anti-death penalty protesters throw at us claiming that it costs that much to kill one.
Example...Clifford olson....convicted child killer...self confessed, and even tried to make a money deal with the families....they get the corpse back IF they pay....tell me this guy is NOT better off dead. Tell me he won't kill again if he is ever released or escapes. Tell me these things, and PROVE it....otherwise, agree with me. No moral issues....simple defense of society against people like this. | |
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yna6
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Joined: 5/2/2004
Msg: 47 | |
| Death Penlaty
Posted: 11/9/2004 12:58:09 AM | Maybe "well said"...but I'm gonna get flamed for my stance....just know it.....probably by someone cute too....just watch!  | |
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| Death Penlaty
Posted: 11/9/2004 2:00:46 AM | | Then we'll execute them too ... lol .......... j/k | |
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ousu
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Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 49 | |
| Death Penlaty
Posted: 11/9/2004 2:02:02 AM | Good point Whoisyourbadkitty and Byrd...
This is now a bit like mind game (I just remembered a case in USA... a woman who killed several men): how about if the killer is not-wanted child born because the mother/parents were not ready and capable to carry their response on him/her but there was no abortion option (geeezzz, couldn't you start to use just one form for 3rd person singular, this is confusing :p), the society did not take care of the person, either... the person grew up in odd way and found him/herself convicted in serious crime. - In a society the responsability should be shared in a way or other if we take the attitude the state / society can intervene in the private area of people (the right for abortion, right to live) - uh, sounds like former Soviet Union.
I am opposing the death penalty but not the right for abortion; it depends on the way I see when the life starts... But for this there are the time limits when you are allowed to have the abortion. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 12:48:39 PM | | I can't remember the gals name I believe it was Eliane Worous or something like that the way punishments go in the U.S. If she had been a man I don't think the death penalty would have been given in that case, just my opinion and I do believe in the death penalty if there is no doubt the person committed the crime. | |
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