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Posted: 11/9/2004 5:32:18 PM | i like that line...IF THE PERSON COMMITTTED THE CRIME
thats the problem...a lot of cases the person didnt and it takes until 10 years after the person is dead to find that out...
If that could change...maybe my view on capptial punshiment would too | |
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mysty
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Joined: 10/10/2004
Msg: 52 | |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 6:05:52 PM | I strongly disagree with killing anyone for any reason other than in war. That includes a criminal or an unborn child.
However I would have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER with sex offenders being castrated, and repeat offenders of serious crimes being locked up for life. And I mean their entire lives, not 25 years or whatever 'life' is considered to be by the court system. | |
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mysty
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Joined: 10/10/2004
Msg: 53 | |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 6:07:36 PM | | Killing a family pet is not anywhere near the same league as killing a person, born or unborn. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 6:43:27 PM | | I don't know about that one an old neighbor of mine shot a .22 at my cat, and I shot him in the a** with a wrist rocket slingshot, I love my cats... | |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 7:11:55 PM | Death Penalty, that is a very touchy subject. I am for it it because I have had someone in my family a victim slain in cold blood, it was before I was born. I didn't know my cousin who was murdered by his Aunt on his mother's side. I am a cousin on his father's side. But I didn't get to know him becuase of her. I don't know the details to what happened to her... my dad doesn't like to discuss it, because he was close to my cousin... they were pretty close in age.... my Uncle being considerably older than my Dad. But I do hope that she was executed. I hope that she spent a good member of years in Prison, only being fed beans for every meal... knowing that she was going to be put to death. But I think she got off on it. I understand that people should be proven guilty beyond a doubt... beforehand. I agree... we should spend more money keeping the wrong ones out of the system... but some of the one's that are without a doubt guilty.... they need to be taken off of the face of the Earth. That is where I stand on the entire situation. If someone keeps on going to jail... slam the door and never let them out again after the third time.... you know what they say... third times the charm! :-)
Sincerely,
Chelle | |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 7:28:26 PM | | just out of curiosity mysty... what makes killing via the death penalty any more humane than killing a family pet or an unborn child? nevermind the reasons behind killing any of the above. trying to get a better understanding of where you're comin' from. :) | |
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mysty
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Joined: 10/10/2004
Msg: 57 | |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 8:07:07 PM | | Go back and re-read what I said. I very clearly stated that I do not agree with the death penalty. I do not agree with killing ANYONE unless it is war. Can I be any clearer??? | |
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Posted: 11/10/2004 6:28:16 AM | | my bad... i should have asked you what makes killing a person during war any less severe than in any of the other cases you mentioned? | |
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mysty
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Joined: 10/10/2004
Msg: 59 | |
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Posted: 11/10/2004 8:12:32 AM | | It isn't any less severe. Just a necessary evil sometimes. | |
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yna6
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Joined: 5/2/2004
Msg: 60 | |
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Posted: 11/10/2004 11:32:03 PM | | Anyone trying to kill you deserves to be killed themselves...we call it self-defense. Except in war...actually, the "old troops" know that killing an enemy is actually dumb. Wound him...make his buddies pull out of battle to drag him to safety....put more and more pressure on their economic resources having to care for their wounded....it is based on economics. Then...they have to quit...can't afford to fight anymore. | |
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Posted: 11/11/2004 7:47:07 PM | | true enough mysty, that's for sure... it just sucks for the families they leave behind | |
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Sundog
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Joined: 8/23/2004
Msg: 62 | |
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Posted: 11/11/2004 8:31:50 PM | The death penalty is wrong...... the government administers it and the government is inept.
It's all well and fine for people to say that it's ok that some innocent people die because that's the price for having the death penalty.... I wonder if they would say that if it was them innocent and in jail facing death?
Not to mention the death penalty is applied more often to people that are poor or minorities. | |
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w8in4u
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Joined: 10/11/2004
Msg: 63 | |
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Posted: 11/13/2004 7:17:55 AM | I'm at a loss here, I believe in the death penalty - yes. Yet, how does that person suffer the pain they've cause by dying? I say let 'em live in misery, torture them to the point they feel the pain (if possible) and then - shock 'em.
The cost to put someone to death is ridiculous - the cost of chancing they get out again - priceless.
I don't know that answer, but some people don't deserve the priveledge of ever smiling again.
One question - Why is it that when someone commits a crime, society makes them famous? I'd like to see it changed so that when you kill, it's not you're name that gets posted and remembered - I'd rather see the victim be the one that's remembered. (ie. F*** Scott Peterson - let's not forgot Laci and Connor)
Killers have stated they do it for the notoriety - let's not give them anything. | |
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yna6
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Joined: 5/2/2004
Msg: 64 | |
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Posted: 11/13/2004 11:20:15 AM | "Killers have stated they do it for the notoriety - let's not give them anything."...better the devil you know....
Some killings are so senseless. Like drive-by shootings. These people have no respect for human life. So why even bother with them until they DO get that respect? They CAN be taught. The usual defense is "That wasn't the target, so it was an accident. 2nd degree murder." I figure if you are going out to kill ANYONE, then anyone should be held accountable for 1st degree murder." The intention WAS to kill..therefore, this makes it all the more horrible. 2nd degree should be reserved for deaths when there was NO intent to kill ANYONE. Usually the use of a firearm should weigh heavily in the intent to kill. No excuse of "wounding someone" or "sending a message".
I also do not believe in concurrent sentences. Whereby a criminal is paying for two or more crimes at the same time. Consequetive sentances for every violation should be in order. You shoot someone with an unregistered firearm. You do the time for having an unregistaered weapon...THEN you do the time for shooting, then the time for unlawfull use of a firearm, etc, etc. Longer sentances, I know. With overcrowding in jails now, it is almost a revolving door on the prisons. Quicker trials, could easily be arranged. A police force that ACTUALLY investigates crimes, rather than just trying to pin it on someone has to be formed.
Perhaps a new class of jobs could be made....professional jurists. Take folks off the welfare rolls and have them as jurors on a daily basis. Run the courts 24 hours a day. Outsource more prisons (privatization). Drug dealers dealt with more harshly. Users dealt with in a manner pertaining to health rather than legal means. Force the druggie to "dry out" They don't have the right to flaunt the laws, so, as criminals they could be sentanced to hospitalization to dry them out, and help beat their addictions. | |
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Posted: 11/13/2004 11:25:01 AM | | The times are long enough. I disagree with yna6 | |
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Posted: 11/13/2004 11:29:45 AM | | i agree with the death penlaty 100%. its something that people who do bad things deserve | |
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yna6
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Joined: 5/2/2004
Msg: 67 | |
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Posted: 11/14/2004 5:45:28 AM | | The whole idea Snoug is to make people THINK before they commit a crime....like "How long will I be in?" This way the old line about "Can't do the time, don't do the crime" kicks in. Many of these guys commit a felony, and figure, hey....5 years (or whatever), out in 3...yeah, I can do that, IF I GET CAUGHT. Some folks think it is only a crime IF they get caught. This would be a deterrent to this kind of thinking. | |
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Posted: 11/14/2004 12:18:53 PM | It costs more to execute a person than it does to imprison them for life.
Let do the math together.
Anyone facing the death penalty will use every and any mean available to save their life, we all would.
The remedies available are all legal.
The tax payer is on the hook for all costs. By ALL COSTS I mean the lawyers, clerks, judges, court house police officers, fancy paddy wagon to drive back and forth, etc. The list goes on and on. When you add it all up it's cheaper to throw waway the key so to speak. | |
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Posted: 11/14/2004 12:46:17 PM | so then as taxpayers we don't pay for the prisons they rot in? prisons are becoming overcrowded. i think untill they fix that situation we can roast some people in the mean time.
yes, i understand how bad that sounds but i'm tired of hearing about murderers and rapists being let off because of stupid a$$ rules that were made up because people thought they "deserve" a second chance. come to find out they just get put back in prison again for the same exact thing as before. these people get out of prison because the government is making rules to let people out sooner to help from the overcrowded prisons. the longer they sit in prison the better chance they have at being let out. they don't deserve a second chance. | |
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| Dear God are we actually considering cost in the same sentance as the Death Penalty?
Posted: 11/15/2004 10:29:17 AM | I never understood how we could possible consider the economic cost of life imprisionment as opposed to summary execution. while I agree with paddler, would all you pro-death advocates have a better position if you could show that imprisionment cost $100,000 while execution only cost $999,995? The fact that some could be swayed by an economic argument when a human being's life is in the balance shows how far removed America has gotten from the real question of whether we have the capabilities to decide who deserves to live, and who deserves to die. And further, assuming a faultless system (impossible given the degree of fallible human involement required) do we have the ability to see that the penalty is meted out fairly and without prejudice. The thing that makes this topic simple and plain is that the answer to BOTH those questions is a RESOUNDING NO.
And, finally, anyone who has any degree of christian conviction (which I don't) who agrees with the death penalty should be forced to write on the blackborad 100 times Vengence is Mine (mine meaning God's only and not for humanity to decide) and Thou Shalt Not Kill. | |
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| Dear God are we actually considering cost in the same sentance as the Death Penalty?
Posted: 11/15/2004 11:40:46 AM | | knowing that the person who commited the crime is dead and not able to commit the crime again is suitable enough. Life in prison doesn't always mean LIFE in prison. i'm tired of seeing these murderers being sent to jail then later released and them commiting the same f*cking crime as before. all it does is prove to other criminals that they could possibly get away with the same crime. if life in prison actually mean LIFE and had NO POSSIBILITY of realease then i'd be ok with it. but the fact remains that too many people commiting these huge crimes get released after a few years. | |
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| Dear God are we actually considering cost in the same sentance as the Death Penalty?
Posted: 11/15/2004 12:29:06 PM | yeah but the problem I have is with this statement:
"knowing that the person who commited the crime is dead and not able to commit the crime again"
How do we know we are punishing the person who ciomitted the crime? Scroll up and see my post about the fallibility of human systems, and then tell me you are willing to put an innocent woman to death for the crimes comitted by another. Google the Innocence Project to check out how often things like this happen, and then tell me how comfortable you are with the criminal justicice system making decisions that are IRREVOCABLE.
Spiff, you seen to have a tremendous amount of faith in a system that has been proven to be racist, unjust, and easily corruptable time and time again. I'm not sure whether this is due to naivetee or simple lack of research, but before you start to feel qualified to make life and death decisions, I feel like you owe it to those you condem to be fully informed on the issue.
Respectfully- | |
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Posted: 11/15/2004 12:32:13 PM | | Spiff, I didn't mean to imply that you were naive. Sorry if that was a bit harsh, but this is an issue I feel very strongly about- | |
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Posted: 11/15/2004 1:50:03 PM | | you have it backwards tolstory, i DON'T have faith in the system. if you look at some of my previous posts in this thread i've stated that i believe people should be put to death if there are 2 credible witnesses. i also believe if someone is found guilty and DNA proves it, they should be put to death. my problem with the system is that they don't keep the people in jail that deserve to stay there their entire lives. if life in prison actually meant LIFE, i would be just fine with someone rotting in a cell. like i said before though, life doesn't mean LIFE. i'm for the death penalty because of my lack of faith in the system. If people are proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt, they should be killed. if they are killed there is no chance for them getting out. If the government actually put these people in jail and kept them there without a chance of paroll i would be fine with that and there wouldn't be any reason for the death penalty. but the fact remains that too many murderers are being released that should have never been released. do you understand what i'm saying? | |
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Posted: 11/15/2004 2:30:46 PM | Texas has it just right. give em the happy juice, and don't look back.
my daughters friend's mother was murdered in texas. the killer was executed in under 2 years. gotta love it! | |
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