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Well alan ...
pushing the discussion into the classroom at all is an agenda ... if you can't see it ... too bad. You can see and believe whatever you like.
But I didn't say to push it into the classroom, I said I see nothing wrong with there being an OPTIONAL course avaialble for those that wanted to study religions... various religions, not one specific religion. How is an optional course pushing someone into it? I personally think it's be interesting ( for those that wanted to take the course) to learn more about Buddhism, Hindu, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Wicca, various native American & African tribal religious beliefs. All treated with equal respect in the classroom, and all being regarded as equally valid faiths.
Btw, I'm in Canada, we don't have that seperation of church & state arrangement that the US has. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2011 8:55:57 PM | | After all is said and done...what is the difference between the God of the various religions Alan mentioned? Is this God thing a particular, specific personal sentiment towards women, justice, economics, politics, etc, etc. ??? My idea of God is more than the sum of all our words, deeds and possible permutations. I appreciate Zen Buddhism. The airy reach of detachment and surrender. But...with a very real connection to those you have loved with great difficulty and with an understanding that to detach is harder than losing a loved one. A never equals B. Ever. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2011 12:53:57 AM |
what is the difference between the God of the various religions Alan mentioned?
What is the similarity between them? The siilarity is that no evidence exists to prove that any of them exist.
A never equals B. Ever.
Meaning what, exactly, in the framework of this thread? You probably meant to sound profound in some way, but without some reference points to explain what you are talking about, and what you mean by A and B it's a meaningless phrase.
We could list a lot of things which don't equal different things. This would show only that the things are different; so what? | |
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Posted: 11/2/2011 8:59:57 PM | | A never equals B. Ever. Because you do not package life in similar or different. You live and forget the easy excuse of secure categorization. Where one is better off is in a consciousness of unfolding and folding and unfolding...etc. With due respect to the work already done. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2011 11:21:49 AM | That just goes to show that the laundry will never completely be done. Astute observation. Folding, unfolding, but, "no tickee, no laundry." And in the case of "no tickee, no laundry" the folding will stop. This is to say, no energy expended, no activity.
Alan was right, 1 plus 1 does equal 1. (In Boolean algebra). And 1 plus 1 equals 10, in binary counting system. But 1 plus 1 equals 2, in decimal.
Thus A can equal B, in converse, or in a dialectic system.
Thus I've said nothing by saying much.
Here's yore hat and what's your hurry?
On thread, in all the foregoing, the basis for saying relied on deductive reasoning. It made some sense, or not, based on empirical verification of a universal imperative, as opposed to a particular imperative.
The universal imperative must be accepted as verified. That's where it all starts. That's Aristotle.
For more information, google "Table of Oppositions" | |
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Posted: 11/16/2011 5:27:05 AM | for even more information Google theafterlifebeyondvision where even blind freddy's
dog can see 5D images of Gods and the missing Link to 'the Existance of God and Other sundry Matters   | |
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Posted: 11/16/2011 10:57:50 PM | ^^^^
Oh, and they're even willing to sell you original prints
Available in 20" x 30" prints, posted by mail to you anywhere on the planet.
Original prints are much better quality and much clearer and sharper than on here.
Prices for genuine individual prints, 25 in total
Top row au $3000 each including postage / handling / insurance
Of course, it couldn't be a scam to make money, could it? And the people there have never heard of Photoshop ( or similar programs) or pareidolia.
Pareidolia ( /pærɨˈdoʊliə/ parr-i-doh-lee-ə) is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant. Common examples include seeing images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon or the Moon rabbit, and hearing hidden messages on records played in reverse. The word comes from the Greek para- – "beside", "with", or "alongside"—meaning, in this context, something faulty or wrong (as in paraphasia, disordered speech) and eidōlon – "image"; the diminutive of eidos – "image", "form", "shape". Pareidolia is a type of apophenia.
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Combined with Apophenia, seeing patterns in randomness, and Hierophany, a manifestation of the sacred, pareidolia may have helped early societies organize chaos and make the world intelligible for our ancestors
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
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Posted: 11/17/2011 1:00:46 AM | My daughter, lil Bobby, 13 years old, and I went to Six Flags over Texas, in San Antonio, Texas, this summer. They had a ride, the water log as I remember. In any case, as we were cascading down the last, and most highest peak, there were cameras to capture our expressions as we fell down a few hundred feet.
Pictures? Awww, it was worth the price to capture my sh*t eating grin expression and my daughter's "yikes" expression.
But that's just it. Everday life does not explain the intricacies of the universe. Bozo the Clown and Barney the Dinosaur aren't equipped to capture the intricacies of the universe, only scientist are capable of doing that.
Still, it was fun to ride the "log." And it's equally fun to work at science.
Everything in its place. Until someone confuses the two.
And, in any case, again, it sure was meaningful when lil Bobby held onto to me for "safety."
Sometimes neither science nor pseudo-science can capture the true meaning of life. But if I had to choose, I reckon I'll bank on the Scientists. The rest are in the category of Bozo and Barney the Purple Dinosaur. Don't get me wrong, they're both sweet, but not empirical. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2011 1:22:56 AM | alan you really are confused
hearing voices playing things backwards mind wondering off into accusations
'the people there that would be me
realising the value of such priceless imagery have made them available for free free
though clearer original prints are offered from au$500-$3000 at the top end which
most would think reasonable as 'one off ' made to order canvas from au$50k-$1.3mil
though the prints offered for free free are a little fuzzy, 75% of people who view them
get the picture
please be carefull with any fraudulant accusations  | |
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Posted: 11/17/2011 6:20:12 AM |
realising the value of such priceless imagery have made them available for free free
though clearer original prints are offered from au$500-$3000 at the top end which
most would think reasonable as 'one off ' made to order canvas from au$50k-$1.3mil
though the prints offered for free free are a little fuzzy, 75% of people who view them
get the picture
please be carefull with any fraudulant accusations
The only thing not fraudulent about your two posts on this page is that they appear to be authentic spam. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2011 6:48:33 AM | please be carefull with any fraudulant accusations
Accusations? There was no accusation in my posting, merely a simple query: "Of course, it couldn't be a scam to make money, could it?".
As to the voices backwards, I left that in the article I was quoting because that was part of the quote. It's the section of the quote stating "is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant. Common examples include seeing images of animals or faces in clouds, " which is particulary relevant in my posted response to your posting.
But I notice you didn't respond to that section of the article. Another site exploring this phenomenon is this article entitled "Faces in the cloud" at
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/wtcface.asp | |
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Posted: 11/20/2011 9:42:54 PM | Alan...I saw my dead sister's image in a cloud. Convince me otherwise. If there is nothing but Science then there is nothing to do but invent a way to sculpt reality into a form of spirituality. AND. If you do not, please do NOT brush your take on the matter with horribly bare and enigmatic words and phrases that amount to your skill with nothing other than pause and clearance of your lack of ...whatever. lol.
Here...
you died.
I flew.
to bury you.
up here
in a place
above
i saw
your spirit leave.
today.
I again, saw you
shaking a finger
at my lack
of meaning. | |
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Posted: 11/20/2011 11:52:08 PM |
Alan...I saw my dead sister's image in a cloud. Convince me otherwise.
This is a common refrain from theists when talking with non theists; " prove God ( or whatever entity(s) their particular faith worships) DOESN'T exist".
But it doesn't work that way. First it's impossible to prove something doesn't exist & second it's up to the person making the claim to prove what they're claiming is real.
If you believe you saw your sister's image in a cloud you are free to believe it. It's only when you want other people to believe you saw her image in a cloudthat you have to prove it.
If there is nothing but Science then there is nothing to do but invent a way to sculpt reality into a form of spirituality
I don't think I've seen anyone here say there is nothing but science; I have seen people say they are firmly in the science camp and want people making claims for some other things ( god, souls, assorted paranormal things) to provide evidence for their claims.
And even if we accepted the premise that there is nothing but science, that doesn't mean there's nothing to do but " invent a way to sculpt reality into a form of spirituality".... particularly when words such as "soul", "sprituality", & "god" ( as examples) aren't clearly defined by the people tossing them around.
please do NOT brush your take on the matter with horribly bare and enigmatic words and phrases
What words & phrases that I have employed are you referring to? Provide some examples I have used and I'll see if I can clear things up for you.
that amount to your skill with nothing other than pause and clearance of your lack of ...whatever.
^^^^^^^^ a perfect case of a person tossing around terms/words without clearly defining what they mean. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2011 6:12:58 PM | Alan .... thanks for the word of the day. .... Pareidolia.
Love it ... and always have loved it ... even though I didn't have the word.
Faces everywhere for this crazy boy. Its driven my art and my curiosity. It is a gift though I'm sure some scientists would want to classify it as some distortion in reality ... yet as you know ... my feelings about reality and its distortions. Let the science boys do their damdest and I'll give them 99 .. but never 100. Nobody gets 100. That is reserved for the God dude or dudette or well more likely both and neither at the same time and outside of time and on and on they go ... until the whole of all languages and the bazillion monkeys at keyboards, etc. ...
it inspired a poem .... bravo!
Pareidolia
what a cool thing to enjoy
artist abound
the perfect toy
things are not always what you see
this is a truth as best can be for me
one day
from out of that blue
pareidolia reaches for you
like me
seduction can set us free
or provide a bondage
roots and a tree
Symbolism goes way back
translations need culture to stack
emotional track leads the pack
duck from the whack
quack from a duck
get in the truck
make a buck or two
notice later that I left you
when I see your face in a cloud | |
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Posted: 11/21/2011 7:38:24 PM | Glad you enjoyed the word; it wasn't part of my existing vocabulary, but I knew the word was out there somewhere & did a search on the net for it.
Nothing wrong with looking for & finding faces, castles, animals etc in the clouds, the problems can arise when people start attaching any real significance to seeing such shapes in clouds & smoke ( or some other medium), and take such sightings as signs of something. | |
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Posted: 11/23/2011 8:57:03 AM | signs of something .... or signs of something specific?
signs of something would be a correct analogy ...
to be specific would be speculatively wrong ... but ...
man does seem to speculate a lot and that goes for science too.
Latest research I have been hearing is that in decision making we rely on emotion much more than we think we do. Its these emotional decisions that make us what we think we are. Take away this emotion as has occurred through accidents or medical treatments and the inventive creativity in life also seems to go along with the ability to socially interact satisfactorily and in general ... fulfillment is gone and life becomes pretty meaningless and looks petty.
These symptoms are what a belief that pure science explains everything seems to be doing [in general] to an awful lot of people and that commitment looks to be speculatively wrong [partly because of the symptoms] to me. | |
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Posted: 11/24/2011 11:06:28 AM |
Latest research I have been hearing
Sounds intriguing, do you have any links to this research?
ife becomes pretty meaningless and looks petty
Well, since the debate is still raging on what the meaning of life is (and whether it has any meaning or not) results like this aren't surprising. It could simply mean life doesn't have any specific meaning ( other than try to pass on your genes) and is petty ( though petty is a very ambiguous & subjective term... one person's petty could be another person's raison d'être ). | |
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Posted: 11/24/2011 11:55:06 AM | Wow! I really like the poetry that ya'll came up with, so I'll add my own:
Twas the night before Thanksgiving
And all through my house,
Not a can of dog food was stirring
Though mine eyes were blurring
So off to the Wally World, with the canines in tow.
And since it's the holidays, they each wore a bow.
Wally World Traffic, inside and out, wall to wall peoples
On cell phones, blocking the isles -- like ants on tall steeples.
Bozos with 100 items in the 10 items line, now ain't that sublime?
Narcissism ablaze, attention-getting at highest .. well it's eating up time.
Back on the road ... a nice evening with friends;
Ya ever notice .... how each year .. times has its trends?
Trends ... cultural behavior laid on top of the natural elements of life. Heck even my dogs know when it's time to go to Wally World, or hiking. It's the brain, you see. | |
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Posted: 11/25/2011 10:33:44 PM | The last time I visited Wally World
my already tired eyes
died! In the blaze of shopper's light.
I honestly stumbled in a daze
visited by a dizzy imbalance
what the hell was the aisle?
I saved 30 cents!!!!!
In a righteous indignation
I marched my dizzy self
out the friggen doors
and into the breath of fresh air
Swearing, swearing, swearing.
Never again.
I will never go back..for
at least...
another year.
(umble, mumble, umble)
them sodden summer sandals.
were cheap
lasted.
still going.
If I ever vote again.
it will certainly (be) after I make...
my own friggen sandals. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 10:49:14 AM | the Religion forum has been converted to the Creative Mumbling forum
Creative mumbling is as good a description of religion as any ( though I generally use the term mythology):
"God created the universe"
How?
"Nevr mind that"
How do we know he created the universe?
"It's obvious, something can't just come into existence from nothing."
Who created God?
"God has always existed."
But you just said something can't come into existence from nothing.
"..."
"........."
"mumble mumble mumble....." | |
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Posted: 12/16/2011 9:54:37 PM |
let us pray
Typo.
If you're speaking of religious leaders, it's "let us prey". They have to keep their subjects in line with constant brainwashing & unverifiable promises.... otherwise the tithes will dry up. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2011 2:43:06 AM | | And until then I had been prostrate on my face trembling and the Lord called me with his own mouth and said to me "come hither Enoch and hear my word", and one of the holy ones came to me and waked me and he made me rise up and approached the door and I bowed my face downwards. God said" fear not Enoch thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness approach hither and hear my voice". ......... | |
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