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| | ***MMA, UFC, WEC, and REAL FIGHTING***Page 9 of 13 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13) | Yeah, boxing is pretty much garbage these days... I've been waiting very patiently for the day when a super high level boxer enters the UFC to challenge one of the MMA elites in the cage. Hopefully boxing just gets swallowed up by the UFC or mixed martial arts (in general) one day, so we can see some of these boxers step up up.
Don't get me wrong, the James Tony situation was certainly exciting, but he isn't exactly one of the younger elite boxers. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2012 7:18:47 PM | I've heard rumors of a possible showdown between Roy Jones Jr. and Anderson Silva, but in a boxing match??? What on earth would be the point of a boxing match between these two people? Sure, Silva's an excellent striker, but the KEY difference here is the idea Anderson's skills being limited in a boxing ring against Jones.
Sure, Jone's would be limited in an MMA fight against Silva, but the difference in the situation is the fact that Roy Jones could bring virtually ALL of his skills to the octagon and see how they hold up (which they won't), whereas a boxing fight between the two would be LIMITING Anderson Silva... So that's why a possible boxing match between the two is silly...
Regardless of whether or not Silva gets the opportunity to knock out Jones, however, I'm much more looking forward to him knocking out Chael Sonnen. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 8:06:14 PM | "Yeah, boxing is pretty much garbage these days... I've been waiting very patiently for the day when a super high level boxer enters the UFC to challenge one of the MMA elites in the cage. Hopefully boxing just gets swallowed up by the UFC or mixed martial arts (in general) one day, so we can see some of these boxers step up up.
Don't get me wrong, the James Tony situation was certainly exciting, but he isn't exactly one of the younger elite boxers."
I think Joe Rogan said it best. "The famous boxers that boxing has right now will be the last well known fighters".
A boxer loses one fight, and it is detrimental to their career.
Whats so special about MMA is it's popular in every country, just like soccer. It's not a drunken blood sport, fighters
show respect for one another even if they have been talking shit pre fight. You need to keep a sport like MMA wired
shit tight. Dana White has zero tolerance unacceptable antics, he needs too. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 10:43:01 AM | Roy Jones Jr it shot and is ten years past his best and has a terrible chin. Boxing is very popular in Europe. MMA is not a mainstream sport where I come from where as boxing, boxing can't be taken over by anyone as there is not central regulatory board who controls it.
Boxing was actaully much like MMA some 150 years ago the rules where similar and known as London Prize fighting rules created by Jack Broughton. London Prize fighting was much more brutal than MMA or modern Boxing you were allowed to hold and throw your opponent and were also allowed spikes on your shoes although these where limited in length by the rules. A round would only end when a man would hit the floor from a throw or punch, It was always a “a fair stand-up fight". I still belive in the fair stand up fight. These rules were replaced by the Marquess of Queensberry rules.
If you want to watch really exciting fights watch old pre 90's boxing. Some of the fights are incredible and imo much better than MMA or current boxing (I love the 20's-60's period). Watching Jack Dempsey smash Jess Willard into a complet wreck is impressive and the great brown bomber could knock out anyone today utterly perfect punching technique. Dempsey could pull a crowd Dempsey vs Tunney had an attendence of around 120,000.
Dempsey wrote a book on self defence that is a great read and I would recommend to anyone in any form of fighting. Dempsey travelled across America picking tips from as many fight trainers and hobo's as he could. The guy was a true tough fighter. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 9:36:53 PM | Willard answering for the second was borderline criminal.
MMA is just boring to me, but I do enjoy watching JDS dismantle people with a very C level jab, and watching GSP jab his way to victory with a jab I would rate as a D level jab that someone with 5-6 months of training could develop. I've been boxing for almost 20 years now and I am NOWHERE near where I want to be in the sport, so much to learn.
As for the fans like the OP. Generally speaking, bloodletting fans just want to see some wetwork, no actual impressive feats of execution. If I want to see a toughman bar competition, I'll go to a backwoods bar. If I want to see skilled application of a science, I'll watch boxing. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2012 6:58:30 PM |
MMA is just boring to me, but I do enjoy watching JDS dismantle people with a very C level jab, and watching GSP jab his way to victory with a jab I would rate as a D level jab that someone with 5-6 months of training could develop. I've been boxing for almost 20 years now and I am NOWHERE near where I want to be in the sport, so much to learn.
That should tell you that a jab is not that important overall.
If I want to see skilled application of a science, I'll watch boxing.
Brazilian jujitsu is not a skilled application of science?
You don't look like you could go 30 seconds with a wrestler..... | |
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Posted: 7/7/2012 11:22:27 PM | | Anyone get to watch Silva vs Sonnen II? Bad thunderstorm here and could not get a satellite connection....Heard Sonnen took down Silva the first 10 seconds of the fight and had him down the whole first round...Round 2 heard Silva kneed Sonnen in the head while he was down and the fight was stopped by controversy. ( Knee in head while Sonnen had his knee on the canvas.) Maybe there will be a third fight between these two. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2012 6:35:24 AM | | Yeah, Sonnen probably has Silva taken down in the first 5 seconds of the fight, LOL. He proceeded to stay on top - even getting full mount - for the entire round, although he didn't do nearly as much damage as he did to Silva in the first fight. There was a bit of controversy amongst the fans about whether the knee was legal or not, but it looked like it hit high chest (legal) to me. Silva did do some blatantly illegal shorts-grabbing while punching Sonnen, but the ref didn't call that. I don't see a third fight between them - Silva has won both times, this time with authority. Without question the greatest MMA fighter extant. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2012 7:25:31 PM | What Anderson did was legal.
He hit Sonnen in the chest.
Anderson is the GOAT, no doubt about it.
That was the ultimate fail of all time by Sonnen. Pure hilarity....................................................... | |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 2:55:50 AM | Sonnen just made a mistake with a guy you absolutely do not have the luxury of making a mistake with in the octagon.
In the first round, I honestly thought perhaps Sonnen finally had Silva's number and might actually make good on all his words (let's be honest, despite Silva's rib injury at the time and Sonnen's performance enhancing drugs scandal, Sonnen still remains the only guy to really give him any trouble in the UFC).
In the second round, Silva seemed to recover from the initial shock of the fearless and aggressive Sonnen who had swiftly brought the fight right to him (most of Silva's opponents tend to keep a respectful distance, don't run through his strikes and grab him, or dump him on the floor and keep him there). He was able to stuff Sonnens attempts at takedowns and keep the fight standing up. Sonnen just seemed to get desperate and tried that wacky back-fist/back-elbow.
He seemed to get dizzy from the spin and fall on his backside and sit there looking up at Silva for what seemed like a really long time (long enough to get smashed and lose).
I have no doubt that Sonnen 'could' beat Silva, but Silva is definitely the better fighter.
The real question at this point is where this leaves these two fighters?
Silva vs Jon Jones at Light Heavyweight?
Sonnen making good on his vow to leave UFC? | |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 6:09:40 AM | He wasn't dizzy from the spin.
He fell because of how much torqe you put on your body to actually throw that. And when you miss it, there is a good chance you will be off balance. And if you are, you're probably gonna fall down afterwards.
I think Sonnen knew it was over with once he couldn't get Anderson down.
I personally don't think a Jones fight would'be competitive at all.
IF he can't get out from underneath Sonnen, he sure as heck ain't getting out from underneath Jones.
Elbows, elbows, elbows.
Edit: Just to add to the falling down thing. I think Anderson might have somewhat tripped Sonnen as he finished the spin. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 7:05:09 AM | He wasn't dizzy from the spin.
He fell because of how much torqe you put on your body to actually throw that. And when you miss it, there is a good chance you will be off balance. And if you are, you're probably gonna fall down afterwards.
Agreed, but he just seemed to sit there on the floor for what seemed like a long time afterwards (a lot of guys would be right back on their feet instantly from a fall like that) - he even looked a bit dazed/confused. Maybe he didn't fancy getting back up knowing there'd be a beatdown waiting for him up there. ;-)
I just watched it again. He sits there for a moment, pulls himself back to the cage and just sits there some more and covers up. Silva seems to pause a moment, then realise Sonnen is just going to sit there - so he lays into him with the knee.
A Silva/Jones stand-up fight would be entertaining (they are both pretty unorthodox!), but I could certainly forgive Jones for taking things to the mat and exploiting Silva's apparent vulnerability. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 7:48:46 AM | | I've just read a few round-ups of the fight and the popular opinion is that Silva landed an 'Anchor punch' shortly before Sonnen went for his backfist, so it's possible Sonnen may have been more stunned from that shot than has been obvious to me. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 9:16:16 AM | LOL at using the term anchor punch. Just reminds me of the Liston crap with Ali.
I do think Sonnen might have been hurt a little before he went full retard.
I think he didn't get back up because of a comdination of possibly being hurt and basically giving up.
He had nothing left to give once he couldn't get the fight to the ground.
And to the Jones thing. There is no way Greg Jackson would tell Jones to stand for any legnth of time.
I say that, not just because of Anderson's ability to counter, but because of the Machida fight.
Machida rarely blitzs, unless his opponant is hurt. But he did it with success against Jones.
What if Anderson did it? Night, night. | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 12:14:12 PM | | Silva vs Sonnen II was the 2nd time I've cried while watching a fight.(the only other time I've cried was when Cain Velasquez lost to Dos Santos)I wanted Silva to lose so bad!I knew it was over the minute Sonnen fell from the knee strike.I'd love to see Silva vs John Bones. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 9:10:09 PM | | It's not real fighting, it has rules and limitations. Boxing is completely different and so is Muay Thai. all MMA is is a bunch of cross trained wrestlers with only a handful who strike well the rest are trash when it comes to landing a punch correctly. Chin wise they cant take a punch either one good shot and they go down. MMA isn't true MMA because only highly skilled grapplers have taken interest in the sport. Those grapplers cross train and then claim to be strikers lol... | |
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Posted: 7/21/2012 9:17:09 AM | So, who do you guys like for this evening's card?
Methinks Barao will defeat Faber via unanimous descision.
I am going out on a limb here, and i'll probably get some flack for this, but I am going with Boetsch over Lombard via TKO.
I am not sure what to think of the other fights: I am not wholly familiar with the guy Kongo is fighting, so that one is hard to call. I guess if I had to pick the other fighs, I will go with Ebersole and Riddle as victors. | |
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Posted: 7/21/2012 9:23:50 AM | | Barao will probably win, but I'm hoping that Faber pulls it off. Lombard will probably beat Boetsch. Not sure abot the rest. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 8:31:31 AM | | Beyond disappointed with Lombard... I haven't been this disappointed since Shogun lost to Forrest. (pains me to even type that) | |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 3:09:50 PM |
all MMA is is a bunch of cross trained wrestlers with only a handful who strike well the rest are trash when it comes to landing a punch correctly. Chin wise they cant take a punch either one good shot and they go down. MMA isn't true MMA because only highly skilled grapplers have taken interest in the sport. Those grapplers cross train and then claim to be strikers lol...
In a ring with pillow gloves,sure,a boxer will outstrike the MMA guy.And?How about the cage?It's not that only highly skilled grapplers have taken an interest,it's that highly skilled grapplers have proved to be able to subdue pure strikers.Do you feel that boxers have good wrestling instincts? | |
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Posted: 7/23/2012 2:29:35 AM | | Statemachine both sets of gloves were tested MMA gloves and Boxing gloves. They deliver the same amount of force. The variable that changes is the surface area, so if the force delivered is equal explain to me why one shot is all an MMA fighter can take?? most punches in MMA aren't even direct hits or flush hits and they end up on the floor they have the chin equivalent of Amir Kahn LOL... All you have in responce is the ground game if that fails im wondering how those weird amateurish sloppy punches can worry anyone?? Also why would a guy take knees to the head if he can make millions boxing??? Face it there is no incentive for an Elite Like Juan Manuel Marquez, Manny Pacquiao, or Floyd Mayweather to crossover both Pacquiao vs Marquez and Cotto vs Mayweather exeeded anything MMA has done 23 million total is what Pacman vs Marquez did that shits on any possibility of a prime fighter crossing over. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2012 6:05:42 PM |
Statemachine both sets of gloves were tested MMA gloves and Boxing gloves. They deliver the same amount of force
Really?Pillows feel the same as little gloves eh?Do you know what PSI means?
Also why would a guy take knees to the head if he can make millions boxing??? Face it there is no incentive for an Elite Like Juan Manuel Marquez, Manny Pacquiao, or Floyd Mayweather to crossover both Pacquiao vs Marquez and Cotto vs Mayweather exeeded anything MMA has done 23 million total is what Pacman vs Marquez did that shits on any possibility of a prime fighter crossing over.
A handful of guys make the big bucks.With dwindling interest in boxing,do you feel the average joe is making more bucks now?Pacman might be a good boxer but his skinny upper body at 150 lbs would be a definite disadvantage in MMA.Face reality dude,if boxers could come in and kick ass in MMA they would.Same for those beer bellied martial artists that still feel they could rule if they "lowered"themselves to compete in MMA. | |
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