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| | Evolution vs Creationism/Intelligent DesignPage 2 of 54 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41) | "No. It's not correct. Evolution says nothing about the origin of life, only about the what happens after"
And therein lies the rub,to explain how things work does not create it  | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 6:47:03 AM | Its just turned out too perfect, for it not to be a design I think.
We are not gasping for our next breath, everything measured just so, all the stars in perfect formation, water, fruit trees, our bodies and everything here just so.
Only problems we seem to have are man made and pollution and things that cause problems to our bodies and the earth.
When scientists can create a hand, without materials that already exist here, Ill take note of them taking the god out and replacing themselves with ego
God has done a very good job, and now with all this in place, some want him to do a tap dance too.
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Posted: 8/5/2011 6:55:33 AM |
I need more than a statement to defend myself.We all have opinions I need the facts.
Google is your friend. Try scholar.google.com and search the medical literature. You'll find lots of info, although I think in the case of DNA, it should be rather obvious from the similarity between genomes of disparate species.
The complexity alone points to intelligence.
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Posted: 8/5/2011 7:04:19 AM | Our own body systems blows my mind. When I studied medical coding, I learned all those things our bodies produced and do AUTOMATICALLY, without our help, without our knowledge. I pointed those out to the atheist, their antagonizings are just a blur to me. I knew and is grateful, I believe in God.
I pointed them out to atheist coz they were soooooooo bragging they don't need a God to live their life or control their life and I was like... oh ya genius? Do you think you control your heartbeat? Coz you don't! It automatically beats to control the flow of your blood to keep you alive, all of that automatically, so for you to say you control your life is ignorance. You do not.
For 1, if you have control of your life then why do you have to die? Interestingly, science has not come up with cure for ALL diseases too nor find a way so we won't die/age. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 7:08:42 AM | I have... For many years abelian. I could ramble on with information why I have discounted evolution or I could directly answer to your side of the debate, if you would be kind enough to offer it.
Why do you feel DNA/RNA supports evolution? Evidence, data, a scientific study, something that I can read, evaluate and respond to please. Or is it that those supporting ID are not the one threatened by this subject? I am willing to discuss…. are you? If not you need to ask yourself why, what could I say to shake your faith in evolution?
No its doesnt is no more than an opinion....
My apologies abelian you did point out there are similarities between genomes, my question is how does this support common descent? I would propose it simply supports a continuity of design. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 7:43:19 AM | I bring a point to the table and you simply dismiss it on the count you dislike the idea?
Are you sure I am the one parroting? In that case it should be simple to set me on the right path, if you would please. Pick any point and defend it. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 7:45:58 AM | | I've already pointed out why ID is not a scientific theory and you were the one claiming there was no modern evidence for evolution. It's your claim to defend. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 8:17:01 AM | | Set aside your preconceived notions of boundaries and examine fact with me. Truth be told we all parrot ideas, collective intelligence. Otherwise individuals would be stuck at square one forever. Our responsibility is to look at the ideas presented with a critical, logical eye and make decisions to what is feasible to believe in light of fact. We need to follow the evidence no matter where it leads, including when it does not line up with our previous thought process. Otherwise we would never evolve in our thinking. Until tonight… | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 8:38:39 AM |
That is more inportant than rather or not things can evlove. Nothing can evolve with out first existing.
The thing is that we don't know, and for that matter no body knows for sure. We aren't anywhere close to figuring it out yet. There is much more that we need to uncover before we can get there. We are talking centuries, or even millennia's of research, and even then who knows. It may not be possible for us to truly find out the origin's of it all.
That's the problem I have with Creationism. It ignores all scientific research and come up with a "theory" without even knowing what the word "Theory" means. Theory doesn't mean guess.
Darwin didn't just say 1 day "You know, I think we all came from monkeys" and then wrote a book. He actually observed and documented characteristics, ways that certain species have similar characteristics, and came up with a theory based on what he could see in the real world.
We know for a fact that organisms have the ability to adapt, and even mutate characteristics based on the environment around them. The strongest mutations survive, thus creating a new species or sub species. We have seen this happen IE: Viruses. That's evolution. We can and have seen it happen.
Adam and Eve is just a story, and not a very good one at that. If adapted to film IMDB would likely give it a 4 out of 10 at best. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 4:53:37 PM | I'm reminded of a quote often attributed to Einstein:
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Carry on…. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 5:19:40 PM | Hoyo:
I'd also add that evolution is unique in that, more so than any other explanation in science, is quite pervasive in just how much it upsets about our preconceptions of the human sphere.
Religious folk have a problem with it because it hits much too close to home.
(Notice that the vehement castigation by religious folk is not directed at some body of work in entomology, for instance.)
The fact that it falsifies the religious myths on offer is merely the beginning of the fun, however.
I certainly think Daniel Dennett had it bang on when he wrote that Darwinism is an "ultimate acid" that impinges upon so many of humanity's cherished beliefs, about our lives and our place in the universe.
Aside from the central fact that we evolved and share a deep phylogenetic kinship with all other life on the planet, the 'acid' extends right into topics like morality, religion, altruism, sex, politics, consciousness, race, intelligence, mating, gender, and on and on.
Quite obviously all of the above is very threatening to religious believers of many stripes, as it essentially undercuts just about everything that they believe (or close to it). Hence the 'acidity' of Darwin and Wallace's brainchild.
The implications are profound, and scientists are still working on mapping them all out; and needless to say, the implications do not square with any sort of hermeneutical gymnastics one might perform on a given scripture.
Darwin showed how you could get all that design out there in the living world without a foresightful designer.
Here's a link to a short review paper by the psychologists Paul Bloom and Deena Skolnick Weisberg that was published in Science Magazine. The paper surveys evidence on some deep-seated cognitive factors which predispose many people to reject or misunderstand scientific explanations, particularly evolution.
Childhood Origins of Adult Resistance to Science:
http://www.yale.edu/minddevlab/papers/bloom&weisberg%20science.pdf | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 5:36:41 PM | PotOfGoldPlease:
Evolution does not stand up to the limitations Darwin himself placed on his theory.
Hi. I'm afraid you are deeply, deeply mistaken.
It's unfortunate to hear that you were exposed to Behe's propaganda piece, 'Darwin's Black Box.'
I'd recommend a change of course: You're probably best to start with one of the textbooks on evo bio. The Futuyma or Ridley ones are the best, so you can pick either.
For a lighter and more accessible treatment, you can try Dawkins' 'The Greatest Show on Earth' or Jerry Coyne's 'Why Evolution is True'. Stay fit and have fun.
There is no controversy regarding the veracity of evolution in biology. Forums like these are great places for comic relief, viz., to hear folks attempt to 'disprove' the big bang, relativity, evolution, etc.
Darwin expressed the need to find a supportive fossil record and acknowledged the fact without it his theory did not have the scientific evidence needed to be true.
Even today, Darwin's 'Origin' book is enough to convince one of the truth of evolution.
If Charles were alive today, he'd be using Behe's book as a coaster for his beverage...at a party celebrating the ridiculous embarrassment of evidentiary riches that have accreted over the 150-plus years since he published his magnum opus, all of which corroborate his great insights. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 5:38:00 PM | "If you do accept evolution then a lot of Christian theology falls apart. If evolution is true then there was no Adam and Eve and no original sin"
Well it was symbolic though, cos in those days it was very different to now, so they have symbolic meanings sometimes, like some were to explain things on a deeper level, which today if taken word for word in our logical mind frames would seem a little far fetched, thats why the bible has seven seals, to understand its symbolic meaning can take a life time to reach such levels.
This is why the bible can be picked apart, cos its taken too much out of context
Science is evolving and finding things out all the time, but while very clever seems to just keep proving god exists
This is why so many scientists end up believing in a higher force and faith, they get proved in that kind of direction
Like miracles of natural laws and adapting to environment
Look how man and women fit, and its like two sexes and not 22. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 6:02:00 PM |
Science is evolving and finding things out all the time, but while very clever seems to just keep proving god exists
Really? Prove it!
This is why so many scientists end up believing in a higher force and faith, they get proved in that kind of direction
Really? Because the literature I've seen shows that most scientists are actually either atheist or, at least, agnostic.
Like miracles of natural laws and adapting to environment
How are these "miracles?"
Sounds like a "god of the gaps" argument to me. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 6:21:39 PM | Its fact, unlike you, who has read a few science books and think you know the mysteries of life.
What a wake up call you will have when you meet beings of light on the other side
Id like to be a fly on the wall, with that shocker | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 7:35:23 PM |
Darwin now admits he believes in god though
Darwin's been dead for 130 years. And so what? Of course Darwin believed in god. In fact he believed all religious views were valid, and should be held equal. But he was very critical of the bible and other religious texts as history. And even if he did renounce it, which to make clear he didn't. It also doesn't matter, because we have proven that evolution happens. He was right. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 7:43:13 PM | "because we have proven that evolution happens. He was right."
I dont think any faith people here have denied evolution? Its the evolutionists denying the existence of god.
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Posted: 8/5/2011 7:47:59 PM | The "Lady Hope Story", published in 1915, claimed that Darwin had reverted back to Christianity on his sickbed. The claims were repudiated by Darwin's children and have been dismissed as false by historians.[156] His last words were to his family, telling Emma "I am not the least afraid of death – Remember what a good wife you have been to me – Tell all my children to remember how good they have been to me", then while she rested, he repeatedly told Henrietta and Francis "It's almost worth while to be sick to be nursed by you"
The reference of Darwin's last words come from written record from Emma Darwin. That would be his wife.
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