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So believing in God automatically makes you anti intellectual aka ignorant?
No, just your particular brand of theism makes YOU anti-intellectual and also ignorant.
Then why are there scientists that believe in God
Ask them. Ken Miller is a practicing Catholic and an accomplished evolutionary biologist. I interact all the time with theists who honestly believe but don't show nearly the same load of bollocks that theists like you do - it seems as if you think that if you're rude enough and shout loud enough without offering anything of substance, you somehow "win" the argument.
Ever hear the saying about attempting to argue with a creationist is like teaching a pigeon to play chess? You are the quintessential pigeon!
and why oh why are there more much more believers than non believers? YOU DO KNOW IT'S A STATISTICAL FACT! ? So what? The world is populated by ignoramous sapiens? lolololol.
Argumentum ad populum. Look it up. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2012 11:28:06 AM | Why don't you ask Ken Miller yourself since I've no prob with him coz he believes what I believe. And what bollocks exactly did I post here?!!! That God EXISTS?!!! Coz that's MY truth! Not yours or atheists', apparently. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2012 11:40:09 AM |
I'm like dude, past is past. What's acceptable during ancient times is obviously NOT applicable in the present. Although I don't know if you can point out ANYthing that Jesus did in NT that is STILL not applicable today.
Ah...okay then. I guess you'd better wait to have man before you post anymore comments.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Or Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Got kids? Then you're just not as good a Christian as you think you are! Indeed, why are you expressing any opinions at all?
1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
And look what a family man Jesus was!
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2012 11:43:28 AM | [Do you HONESTLY think it's sooooo logical to STILL follow the rules/practices of OT?!!! So you wanna live in 1000 bc. good luck with that. lolololol]
like following a single thing in a book that was compiled by a roman emperor to placate his diverse army and used liberally by autocrats ever since to maintain their populations in subjugation...
obviously if you follow anything more recent than, say, the bible which i describe above, you will be able to say what it is, where it's stuff came from and allow the rest of us an insight... no? didn't think so. it is the same book you follow. what right do you have to pick and choose which bits to believe without therefore insinuating that you do not believe the rest - and that therefore the bible is not true.
the bible wasn't meant to be 'true' - it is the rules and oral history of a bronze age middle eastern tribe, written down at various points and updated from time to time by various different authors - hundreds of them. some of it is meant to be taken literally - the pure history bits - some is meant to be taken as a guide - like when to circumcise your slave or when it is ok to beat your wife, which neighbours you cannot kill - meaning the tribes of israel, and which you can smite - not tribes of israel.....
so 'believing' in the bible is absolute nonsense and a 1000bc scribe would laugh at your descent into the dark ages... | |
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Posted: 2/6/2012 11:56:51 AM | So what? The world is populated by ignoramous sapiens?
Yes, that is correct, the majority of the planet is dumb. It's relative so to me it's true because my IQ tests come up higher than average. To me, yes the rest of the world seems dumb. Play around with a Mensa quiz and see if you find them simple - if not you are down with the average or lowers and you do look dumb from my angle.
That isn't the only issue though and certainly not the contributing factor to belief or not. It is easier for some people to follow than do something other than follow. Not following means they need reason behind it - it's much more comfortable to blend even if it's partial belief than risk denying and being labeled a heretic or blasphemer or someone going to hell or obstinant or unworthy or anything else they want to throw at you. Haven't you noticed that more people are coming out as atheists than there were in the past? It's not because of being taught it - it's because there won't be a beheading or a burning as a 'reward'. Everyone has witnessed the partial follower believer, they go to church on Sunday and sin M-S then ask for it all to be wiped away. Some are in the pews gossipping about what others are wearing and judging what others put into the donation tray.
You nailed it earlier though on your own reasons. God is a comfort to you - that's why you believe. You might even change your god over time but you won't stop believing because it supports your ego. Ego doesn't want to die or not exist. Your reason is exactly the one I name for most believers - fear of death and a hope for equality - that some being is in the background keeping track of what everyone does good or bad and passing out punishment or reward. Psychologically it's a beautiful thought but I don't see it as realistic and we all know it can't be proven.
There's a song that could fit this. "Whatever gets you by" and that's what you are participating in and why you choose to be ignorant of evolution - you think learning about it might put a fissure in your faith and if that happens you are suddenly destitute of purpose and alone in the world which is frightening to you. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfkaiOaQMoM ) | |
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Posted: 2/6/2012 12:11:30 PM | From my perspective evolution is simply that which progresses or moves forward accordingly from someone or something. It's origin of being is allowed to be pushed forward in a specific time frame, according to the various laws and principles of that time. The evolution may be positive or negative to it's original specie, it may realign and correct itself, or it may mutate and become a rather odd configuration and deformity.
In as far as creationism is concerned, the outcome of the evolution is the proof of whether the original creator in the beginning before it evolved was intelligent, or quite naive, arrogant and ignorant. But then the original designer/s of a creator specie can if they so desire manipulate said speicie in order to either bring it on back on track and in line with the original design with the added information reencoded in it's DNA which would adjust for the various mistakes in a sense recreating it with better properties than the original design. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2012 1:44:32 PM | On the contrary my not so dear watsons, if I don't believe in God then I will be scared of death. But since, I believe on the after life I welcome death as it comes.
So I don't know what logic you logicals have to deduce that I fear death. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2012 1:48:56 PM | Evolution is all around us. Its hard not to see the concrete evidence of that.
Going back to the original post of this thread (which has been derailed by some religious debate), both religion and science can co-exist in some agreement. That is merely my opinion.
I am not threatened by the science of evolution (again back to the original post entry). I am offended when others do try to cram their beliefs down my throat for the sake of being scientific. Live and let live; we all have an opinion whether its right or wrong to/for us. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2012 10:18:56 PM | apurfectmeow said:
Believing in a higher power (I choose to call God) has to do with my understanding the energy of faith. It cannot be proven only felt within believers similar to an emotion. That faith may be expressed but no one really knows besides us if its a truth. To me God is the energy of the universe; he is science as the creator of all. The bible is just reference material of the history of experiences with God (sometimes badly written by men). I don't need it to understand what I feel inside myself although I have read and comprehend most. That doesn't mean I have to agree. Introspection I do well; tapping into the powers of God are a gift of this act. One day maybe modern science will be able to measure that energy (it is in nature all around us). I still do believe that it will be discounted as a Godly source being the vast majority of logical thinkers today discount religion as nonsense.
Oh Good... so seeing the bible is just reference material, you are not with the crowd that says it is the inerrant word of god then?
Good on ya! Many who espouse their devotion tell us that the bible is sacrosanct.
Science can't explain religion, and religion can't explain science. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2012 11:29:44 PM | "In as far as creationism is concerned, the outcome of the evolution is the proof of whether the original creator in the beginning before it evolved was intelligent, or quite naive, arrogant and ignorant. But then the original designer/s of a creator specie can if they so desire manipulate said specie in order to either bring it on back on track and in line with the original design with the added information encoded in it's DNA which would adjust for the various mistakes in a sense recreating it with better properties than the original design."
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according to the story, we were created perfect.
mutations and wrong choices are causing us to DEvolve.
there are several thousand deceases attributable to mutations.
life that is viewable only evolves backwards.
"He's" not going to ever take that free choice that we have, away.
so are things going to continue in the present direction, or is some world changing event going to happen one day? | |
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Posted: 2/7/2012 2:08:08 AM | regardless of religious standpoint, to criticise evolution, you do at least have to make an half decent attempt to understand what it is and how it works. it isn't difficult. the pope gets it, the archbishop of canterbury gets it and both agree that it is a fact - which in science is called 'theory' - a theory being a hypothesis that has withstood and continues to withstand the attempts to disprove it, which anticipates subsequent discoveries... and so on.
and if you get evolution, you will realise that monkeys are not evolving into humans - and apart from the rabid creationist baptist and pentecostal morons - and christine o'donnell and her kind, nobody ever said monkeys are evolving into humans or that humans evolved from chimpanzees.
humans, and all other apes evolved from a common ancestor - an ancestor that isnt around any more but the record of all ape descent from a common ancestor is clear - and not a single bit of fossil 'missing link' contradicts the theory of evolution.
humans, all other apes, all monkeys, all mammals, all reptiles etc etc etc, all archaea, all bacteria etc etc all descended from a common ancestor too - and long long after most of the work establishing the principles of evolution was done, dna analysis has revealed that it is true.
so get some basic evolution under your belt before dismissing it.
oh, and evolution doesn't work backwards - it only moves forward. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2012 9:27:10 AM | good post fred, although we do sometimes get recessive genes coming through, it has been known for chickens to be hatched with more than just their egg tooth, hence the phrase "as rare as hens teeth", it does happen, we see these minor reversals in quite a few animals and its simply due to certain dormant genes being reactivated, a simple mutation which is exactly what evolution is (in a nutshell)
Anyway, sorry to butt in....good post | |
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Posted: 2/7/2012 3:32:05 PM | | I'm surprised most pro evolution posters here admit it's only a theory. in city data philosophy forum those atheists are BRUTAL!! They in fact shook my belief for awhile. they are more informed with matching løoooong ass§ evolution lecture declaring it as FACT. Not just theory they actually say it actually happen as science said it happen coz there is evidence. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2012 4:33:37 PM | I'm surprised most pro evolution posters here admit it's only a theory. in city data philosophy forum those atheists are BRUTAL!! They in fact shook my belief for awhile. they are more informed with matching løoooong ass§ evolution lecture declaring it as FACT. Not just theory they actually say it actually happen as science said it happen coz there is evidence.
heh maybe if they had more tags and you could include images and such it would be funner to do here
The whole thing is a theory and it has parts, some can be proven and some are still in debateland. Ex. Yes, I believe horses used to have toes and that moths in England had an evolutionary change in our generation because they have evidence of both that I have seen. Do I need to pick out every animal and humans and track them all including all findings daily - nope because I'm not TRYING to believe it - I'm only digesting it as I find parts of it interesting. It's not a cause for some of us and it sounds like you found some people with causes.
Atheism does not guarantee belief of everything in any archaeological findings because we all know that the entire earth hasn't been excavated and we haven't seen everything yet. There is no promise that they will even find evidence of the things they want either. Atheist does not equal evolutionary believer in all spheres but some people think it does.
The easiest way to explain it is that you don't study evolution because you don't have a god, you study it because people are compacting years of research and findings for you - some people have spent their entire career doing nothing but digging for findings and waiting years on testing with testing on top of testing. Ignoring all of it because of a god seems pretty much like you want to live in the dark ages to me.
It always pops up in scientific magazines too - kind of hard to avoid the topic all together if you are even the slightest bit nerdy. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2012 8:01:38 PM |
I'm surprised most pro evolution posters here admit it's only a theory. (my emphasis)
You may not realise it, but this sentence is very revealing.
In common everyday use the word 'theory' doesn't have quite the same meaning as it does in a scientific context. That you appear not to appreciate the difference speaks volumes, not only about your education but also with regard to your probable capacity to absorb any information you might be given in this thread.
in city data philosophy forum those atheists are BRUTAL!! They in fact shook my belief for awhile. they are more informed with matching løoooong ass§ evolution lecture declaring it as FACT. Not just theory they actually say it actually happen as science said it happen coz there is evidence.
Evolution is a fact. There is (literally) mountains of evidence. The study of evolution is relevant to many branches of science.
None of these things can rationally be disputed. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2012 10:45:48 PM | Astronomer, fredforties.
I hope you don't feel your time was wasted, as I enjoyed reading your remarkably well-written posts. I'm still several pages behind but I had to pause just to say that.
As you already know, these things take time. Plant a seed, maybe one day it'll grow into at least an honest thinker. If not, at the very least there are those lurking in the background who read these arguments and are able to finally identify the stark difference between both positions.
Cheers. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2012 10:52:07 PM | The highly educated on this site are NOT insulting their fellow co-members.
I myself continue to be humbled by some these science/philosphy threads
(mainly because Im not the brightest crayon).
I agree with the above poster.
Here's a thank you to everyone that posts with the intent of sharing their vast knowledge.
LC~ I was wondering when you would post. I always enjoy your views. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2012 11:23:28 PM | Well since u replied u must be owning the arrogant douchebag swag that u play on here. like i said though ALL OF atheists play that card in these forums. well what exactly do u want me to explain you will just dismiss it as my proof being the bible which you regard as fiction.
Do you have independent evidence that it isn't fiction?
I dismiss evolution as removing God in the equation that is just not right to me like I said i feel incomplete.
Where is "God" mentioned at all in anything to do with evolution?
...or Hockey, ...Baking, Tole Painting.
These don't mention "God" either, ...do they make you feel incomplete as well?
I've said my TRUTH
What do you mean by "truth"?
I also am not convinced on evolution's so called proof. SHOW IT. MAKE a documentary on your observed evolution of SOMETHING. ANYTHING. Don't just tell me to read a science book coz well bible also happens to be a book and it's CLEAR what do i consider fiction between the 2.
The "Bible" has as much evidence for it's "truth" as "Alice In Wonderland". Evolution has enough proof that it's inextricably intwined with every single aspect of the biological sciences, as well as supported by organic chemistry, physics and math.
No blind faith needed... on the other hand...
You criticize the existence of God coz u can't see Him and so i do the same.
Evolution doesn't mention the supernatural, ...no science does. If you deny the scientific fact of evolution, you may as well dismiss the rest of science as well. You should avoid hypocrisy and abandon it all.
Where is the video of human evolution where i can actually see what the science book is describing happened billions of years ago, mind.
You can't see an electron, it's impossible, ...the reality of scale doesn't permit this. Scale applies to time as well.
But, like evolution, the evidence of the existence of electrons is easily confirmed.
If you're reading this, you just acknowledged scientific fact.
Like evolution.
tada! | |
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Posted: 2/7/2012 11:31:41 PM | | Post 507- Quite to the contrary; Im a believer that embraces diversity and accepts the fact that the bible doesnt explain everything. Evolution is happening right here within our life time. Thats kind of hard to ignore would you say? | |
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Posted: 2/7/2012 11:45:50 PM | Can you 2 link me to what you say is evidence of evolution? In the other forum there was a supposed observed evolution of worm but guess what it evolved to a worm! Tada!
I actually wanna see that video though. All i see are animations not ACTUAL vid as explanations of scientific facts. I want to see what science claims are evolutionary facts. To see is to believe indeed. I am not blindly believing in God. It's just that i see no actual proof of evolution SPECIFICALLY human's. That will make me abandon my belief entirely. | |
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Posted: 2/8/2012 12:04:43 AM |
Can you 2 link me to what you say is evidence of evolution?
I want to see what science claims are evolutionary facts.
http://archaeologyinfo.com/human-evolution/
http://archaeologyinfo.com/index.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evohome.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/VSpeciation.shtml
http://anthro.palomar.edu/synthetic/default.htm
http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/11/2/real/e_s_1.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/l_011_01.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=46
http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey
http://listverse.com/2011/11/19/8-examples-of-evolution-in-action/
To see is to believe indeed.
OK, now link me to proof, or even any actual evidence, that gods created everything. A video of a god would be quite convincing if you can manage it.
Bearing in mind of course that anecdotes aren't evidence, and 'feelings' of incompleteness aren't proof. And while you're at it, see if you can cast the slightest shred of doubt on any of the information presented in any of the links above. | |
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Posted: 2/8/2012 12:18:31 AM |
A video of a god would be quite convincing if you can manage it.
Oh! me me me me me!
Well, it's audio only, but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja9nGZhzP_U&feature=related
This inspired a god cult.... and a three word scripture. | |
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Posted: 2/8/2012 1:31:40 AM | I've been delayed in replying to the last 5...er...9 pages of drivel, piece by piece. In the interim...
A video of a god would be quite convincing if you can manage it.
http://www.youtube.com/user/misterdeity/featured
Can you 2 link me to what you say is evidence of evolution?
I want to see what science claims are evolutionary facts.
Facts precede theories. Theories offer explanations as to the hows and whys of observed facts.
Evolution is a fact. The theory of evolution [by natural selection] exists to explain how evolution occurs. The theory does NOT propose that evolution occurs - that part was already a fact known long before Darwin. The theory does not need evidence to support it, since theories are not proposed unless the evidence exists in the first place.
The number of facts available in accord with the theory of evolution probably exceed the space already consumed in these fora. Just which ones would you care to be pointed to? Could I suggest any number of entire journals with the words "evolution" or "evolutionary" in the title? Also try any journal title containing terms like "taxonomy/taxonomic", "phylogeny/phylogenetic", "systematic", "molecular", "genetic", or any of the great many titles containing organism names [Salamandra, Mertensiella, Lacerta, Primatologica, Journal of Herpetology, Alytes, Russian Journal of Zoology, Sichuan Journal of Zoology, Zoological Science, Australian Journal of Zoology, Northwestern Journal of Zoology, Zootaxa, etc. ad nauseum]. Virtually every journal in the life sciences, of the hundreds or thousands which exist, is evolution-based, since science operates on the basis of logic and evidence and evolution is one of the most logical and evidence-supported concepts in the biological sciences.
Evolution is inheritance with change. If you think this happens, you have accepted the fact of evolution. | |
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