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and you owns a crackpipe? hope your god forgives ya for that
meant for homie up above.........
Are you always this angry ?
Also I'm not your homie ...You just skip from thread to thread attacking people .Are you new to the internet ? | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 2:59:50 PM | No point in trying to discuss anything logical or factual with someone who declares a magical basis to everything. They will invariably claim they have won, simply because they said so, despite having absolutely every assumption and claim they make about the people they are confronting, dead wrong.
Chain-yanking is not an honorable game to play. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 3:20:56 PM | SmilingSalmon :
they truly and deeply want to do what is right, but they are too lazy to do put the work and study in to know what is true and right
No...what they truly want, what truly drives them, is that they need so badly to feel comfortable that they are right, are in the right, have done the right thing. What they want and need is to not feel guilty. That's what they care about. That's all they care about. It's actually a selfish thing that religious people do, concerning morality. They just want to feel legitimized by some other authority in the choices they make. They like the feeling that they can't be blamed for anything. That no matter what happens, they are in the clear, their hands are clean, because they did what they were supposed to do, they did the right thing, so everything is ok.
...and this would be another reason why religiously derived morality is bad, evil, and just about as immoral as we could get. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 4:00:29 PM | @Spitfire .Think irritating mosquito rather than fierce lion...You seem very angry,then again might just be the way you have evolved .Cave woman ?
Evolution is about 0.1% facts and 99.9% fiction.
So the aim of the section of the forum is to bully those who don't hold your stupid point of view about the big bang fairytale and other stories ?
I'm immune to being bullied ,I've never been a victim of bullying and will not start being one now .Now back to discussion .
Everywhere in the universe you look there is evidence that this beautiful world was designed and created for us to live in .Want proof that God exist ?
Why should God prove anything to you? | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 4:36:48 PM | Evolution is about 0.1% facts and 99.9% fiction.
You keep saying things like that, yet do not provide one single shred of evidence. I'm reminded of that old saying: "either put up or shut up".
So the aim of the section of the forum is to bully those who don't hold your stupid point of view about the big bang fairytale and other stories ?
I'm immune to being bullied ,I've never been a victim of bullying and will not start being one now .Now back to discussion .
No one is bullying anyone. If you didn't want to get involved in this thread then you could have just ignored it. On the other hand, if you have something constructive to add, such as evidence for creationism (or evidence against evolution) then let's hear it.
Everywhere in the universe you look there is evidence that this beautiful world was designed and created for us to live in .Want proof that God exist ?
Why should God prove anything to you?
Ah, I see. So the tiny 0.000...0001% of livable space in the universe proves that a god designed and created it for us to live in? (rrright) The thing is, even if a god exists and designed this universe it would not be for creatures like us. For example, Dr. Lee Smolin demonstrated that this universe is the best universe you can ever design for the production of black holes (the universe is filled with them, with super-massive black holes inhabiting the center of every galaxy, including our own). So if we were to take a rational, non-biased, evidence-based approach then we would have to conclude that God created the universe for making black holes (with human life being just a by-product).
Also, it's not up to God to prove anything, it is up to you to do so. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 4:46:44 PM | No...what they truly want, what truly drives them, is that they need so badly to feel comfortable that they are right, are in the right, have done the right thing. What they want and need is to not feel guilty. That's what they care about. That's all they care about. It's actually a selfish thing that religious people do, concerning morality. They just want to feel legitimized by some other authority in the choices they make. They like the feeling that they can't be blamed for anything. That no matter what happens, they are in the clear, their hands are clean, because they did what they were supposed to do, they did the right thing, so everything is ok.
I think people love the certainty that religion provides. It provides clear black and white answers with little room for a gray area. In a way it's laziness, since they don't want to think through complex issues and do the fact-checking themselves. On the other hand, they feel good doing something that coincides with their "gut" instincts, even if that involves hatred or discrimination (it's righteous hatred). I think a lot of people (at least a lot of Americans) believe that religion is good for you, and will guarantee good moral behavior. Of course this is not a fact-based idea at all, but mostly a cultural thing, passed on from generation to generation (a meme). I think this is why many Americans are so appalled by atheism (polls show that they would vote for anyone but atheists) since they assume that it'll automatically lead to immorality. IMO, breaking this myth should be a priority for American atheists. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 10:52:01 PM | Demigod, I agree with what you are saying.
Mr. Face,
No...what they truly want, what truly drives them, is that they need so badly to feel comfortable that they are right, are in the right, have done the right thing. What they want and need is to not feel guilty. That's what they care about. That's all they care about. It's actually a selfish thing that religious people do, concerning morality. They just want to feel legitimized by some other authority in the choices they make. They like the feeling that they can't be blamed for anything. That no matter what happens, they are in the clear, their hands are clean, because they did what they were supposed to do, they did the right thing, so everything is ok.
...and this would be another reason why religiously derived morality is bad, evil, and just about as immoral as we could get.
Isn't that exactly what I said? Whether you see it or not, it is.
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Posted: 6/25/2012 2:38:10 AM |
Evolution is about 0.1% facts and 99.9% fiction.
care to back up your oft repeated suggestion with an example?
care to pass on where you got this information from?
or are you all talk and no trousers
some might say 'if brains were petrol, you wouldn't get out of the garage.' ... i couldn't possibly comment. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 4:33:34 AM |
I think people love the certainty that religion provides. It provides clear black and white answers with little room for a gray area. In a way it's laziness, since they don't want to think through complex issues and do the fact-checking themselves. On the other hand, they feel good doing something that coincides with their "gut" instincts, even if that involves hatred or discrimination (it's righteous hatred). I think a lot of people (at least a lot of Americans) believe that religion is good for you, and will guarantee good moral behavior. Of course this is not a fact-based idea at all, but mostly a cultural thing, passed on from generation to generation (a meme). I think this is why many Americans are so appalled by atheism (polls show that they would vote for anyone but atheists) since they assume that it'll automatically lead to immorality. IMO, breaking this myth should be a priority for American atheists.
I suspect this is pretty close to the mark.
In the US I think it would be very difficult for anybody to be elected president without affirming a Christian religious belief. GW Bush even went so far as to say his religious faith guided his decision-making process (So much for the separation of church and state?). Here in Australia our Prime Minister is an unmarried atheist and we could care less. We only care about how well she is running the country.
It must be so nice living your life with such certainty, where everything is black and white. It must be such a comfort not to have to think for yourself and make decisions.
Evolution is about 0.1% facts and 99.9% fiction.
So the aim of the section of the forum is to bully those who don't hold your stupid point of view about the big bang fairytale and other stories ? ...... Everywhere in the universe you look there is evidence that this beautiful world was designed and created for us to live in .Want proof that God exist ?
Why should God prove anything to you?
Love the way this poster is so certain 150 years of evolutionary science is rubbish, and equally certain of the existence of a creator. He is certain also it is all created for us. No wriggle-room there for a shred of a doubt.
Wouldn't it be lovely to live in this blissful world where everything was black and white? | |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 3:26:04 PM | | Smiling Salmon: just a reminder...I know the depth of your game. I'm not fooled. I've seen all of this before. I'm a veteran at all this, a professional. Please don't try it at home. I know you're type, and your game. I also know that you'll continue to deny, cop-out, and side-step...but I want you to know that I know. Keep that in mind. My jedi mind powers are a little more powerful than your typical debater. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 11:35:31 AM | Evolution through natural selection is how we came to be and perfectly explains life on this planet.
The only reason why religious folk deny it is because evolution itself is literally threatening their after-life and a belief in a God. The Bible is supposed to be the truth, but we now know, thanks to science, that evolution is what explains our existence on this planet. It undermines the claims made by religion that we were "created."
Creationism does not even make sense. The human body is extremely flawed, and humans were to create a man, we could do a much better job than this "God" ever could have. God must have been an extremely lazy designer. Saying that we were created is also implying that this earth and universe was made just for us. That's a silly thought. It wasn't.
By the way, we know that humans existed before Adam and Eve, and we also know that this planet is much older than what the Bible says it is. That alone shows that the Bible is not a source for truth. It is time to drop these bronze age stories. They do nothing but cover the truth. I guess some people are perfectly content in living a lie. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 11:48:25 AM |
Evolution is about 0.1% facts and 99.9% fiction.
So the aim of the section of the forum is to bully those who don't hold your stupid point of view about the big bang fairytale and other stories ?
I'm immune to being bullied ,I've never been a victim of bullying and will not start being one now .Now back to discussion .
Everywhere in the universe you look there is evidence that this beautiful world was designed and created for us to live in .Want proof that God exist ?
Why should God prove anything to you?
Are you a troll? I don't mean to be a "bully" but I don't see how you can claim something that has a MOUNTAIN of evidence that you can see for yourself in any museum as "fiction." Fiction, would be the wrong word, anyway. Science is what explains the world around us. Fiction would be stories of the Bible. You're getting them confused.
About the big bang. There's a reason to believe the big bang. Scientists and astronomers can literally see the universe expanding. In other words, it's moving further away from us. They can tell thanks to a phenomena called a Doppler Shift: if our eyes were more sensitive, we could see that objects moving toward us are slightly blue in color, while items moving away from us are slightly red in color. The millions o billions of galaxies that can be seen are slightly red in color. This is evidence for the big bang, that you claim to be a fairy tale. God teaches us to be satisfied with not knowing. That might be good enough for you, but it's not good enough for me.
Once again, if you look more closely, you'll see that this world was NOT created for us. MOST of this planet is either water or extremely cold weather or extremely hot weather. And we're the ones that are dumb because we know that this planet wasn't created for us? LOL | |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 4:46:01 PM | | concerning the big bang...i really can't understand what the big deal is anyway. it's outrageous or something to think that our universe came into being that way? it's less crazy to think that it happened some other way? and what other way would that be? what way would you rather it had happened? there might end up being more plausible explanations...but how would they be more or less crazy in concept? how would ANY of the possible ways our world came into existence be more or less acceptable, especially against the simplistic "some god just made it happen" idea? | |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 5:07:57 PM | Because if someone answers with "God did it," now you have to solve the question, "Who created God?" You answer a mystery with another mystery, which solves nothing at all.
Like I mentioned before, though. We know that the universe is STILL expanding. That would be evidence for the theory. Theories, of course, can be disproven. In the future when technology is even better than it is now, we may find answers that show that the big bang theory was false. Or maybe we'll find more evidence pointing towards the big bang theory. Who knows? However, the evidence we do have points towards the big bang theory. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 5:26:05 PM | Because if someone answers with "God did it," now you have to solve the question, "Who created God?" You answer a mystery with another mystery, which solves nothing at all.
Yup, it's like explaining a burning house by saying that it caught fire from the house next door. Such an explanation doesn't explain anything, it just shifts the burden to something else (you now have to explain this other burning house). No one in their right mind would accept such an explanation as the final answer (obviously the only satisfactory answer is to explain how the fire originally started). And yet, theists seem content with this "explanation" and the "mystery" of God. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 1:16:34 AM | | btw, a perception that I think is accurate - You know how once the norm was that there was an edge to the world? A solid and absolute boundry, effectively? To me, the idea that beyond our perceived universe there's a god who is all powerful and all knowing, and that there is nothing else but the realm of this god, is just another form of this edge-of-the-world thinking. This mindset exists in different forms in the other issues/subjects of religion, like morality for instance. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 6:15:13 AM |
Are you a troll?
Because I disagree with you and others on here I'm a troll ?
Grow up kid .
I have never seen Evolution in a museum and I have visited some of the oldest and best museums in the world .Can you point me to a museum where I can watch all of that 'story' unfolds ?
Scientist cannot see the universe expanding what they are selling you are their opinion on the subject ,it's not backed up by facts as they don't have the equipment or knowledge .
Most of what people come to accept as facts are just opinions based of how a certain guy or girl interpret something that she/he thinks they are observing ,in other words ,Fiction .
Evolution is one big fictional story now adopted by the new age religions such as atheism and others . | |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 6:29:10 AM |
I have never seen Evolution in a museum and I have visited some of the oldest and best museums in the world .Can you point me to a museum where I can watch all of that 'story' unfolds ?
http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/darwin/
http://www.rom.on.ca/exhibitions/special/darwin.php
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/visit-us/darwin-centre-visitors/index.html
http://www.lloydlibrary.org/exhibits/darwin/index.html
etc..........
Scientist cannot see the universe expanding what they are selling you are their opinion on the subject ,it's not backed up by facts as they don't have the equipment or knowledge .
Really?
Guess you have not heard of redshift or I would assume you can at least refute it as a valid way of measuring things very far away. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 10:01:42 AM | Because I disagree with you and others on here I'm a troll ?
Grow up kid . I'm not questioning whether you're a troll because you don't "agree with my stupid ideas" as you put it earlier. I'm questioning you being a troll because you claim that evolution is 99 percent fiction, which, ironically enough, there is no evidence to prove your claim of it being fiction. There is evidence, however, on the contrary. But you seem to be 100% serious on the issue.
Oh, by the way. I have grown up. I don't have imaginary friends anymore. But you still do at the age of 34. What a silly comment to make.
I have never seen Evolution in a museum and I have visited some of the oldest and best museums in the world .Can you point me to a museum where I can watch all of that 'story' unfolds ? Poster above me posted links to your question. Maybe you should remove your hands from your eyes next time so that you may see the evidence better?
You seem to be very closed minded. You won't learn a thing that way, and if you're going to keep that kind of mentality, then why are you even here? No amount of evidence in the world is going to make you change your mind, simply because you don't want to.
Scientist cannot see the universe expanding what they are selling you are their opinion on the subject ,it's not backed up by facts as they don't have the equipment or knowledge .
Most of what people come to accept as facts are just opinions based of how a certain guy or girl interpret something that she/he thinks they are observing ,in other words ,Fiction .
Evolution is one big fictional story now adopted by the new age religions such as atheism and others . Scientists don't have the technology? Have you ever heard of a telescope? You're making some pretty bogus claims. You say there is no evidence for evolution, and now you're claiming that we don't have the technology or knowledge to make such claims as the universe is still expanding.
The technology: telescopes. HUGE telescopes, powerful enough to see other galaxies in the cosmos.
The knowledge: Doppler shift. As I mentioned and as the poster above me mentioned, this is some of the evidence that shows that we live in a universe that is still expanding. You can find evidence of this in a car passing by. You can hear the pitch of the engine get higher as the car gets closer to you, and you can hear the pitch fall is it moves further away from you. The the same rules apply to light, as well as in space.
The evidence: Distant galaxies are slightly red in color. This shows that they are moving further away.
Also, atheism isn't a religion. Atheism is simply a lack of a belief in a deity. It says nothing about what a person DOES believe. | |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 10:38:59 AM |
Because I disagree with you and others on here I'm a troll ?
Grow up kid .
I have never seen Evolution in a museum and I have visited some of the oldest and best museums in the world .Can you point me to a museum where I can watch all of that 'story' unfolds ?
Scientist cannot see the universe expanding what they are selling you are their opinion on the subject ,it's not backed up by facts as they don't have the equipment or knowledge .
Most of what people come to accept as facts are just opinions based of how a certain guy or girl interpret something that she/he thinks they are observing ,in other words ,Fiction .
Evolution is one big fictional story now adopted by the new age religions such as atheism and others .
you are either a troll or you are massively stupid... and i can't believe someone can be this massively stupid
so you must be a troll | |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 7:18:09 PM |
you are either a troll or you are massively stupid... and i can't believe someone can be this massively stupid
so you must be a troll
LOL!!
Anyways, getting back to the topic, I often times wonder why the religious want their views taught as science, whether it's creation science or Intelligent Design. After all, the only thing secularists are saying is to keep religion out of science classrooms, not to stop teaching such things altogether. No one is going to stop them from teaching them in philosophy classes or in their home, so why try to corrupt science in this way? | |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 7:46:19 PM | | If they want to teach creationism or intelligent design, then it is only fair that they also teach what the Muslims teach, the Hindus teach, and so on. | |
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