Fair enough, but, that still doesn't explain how we made the jump from running through the trees to driving Priuses down the street.
Where did the spark come from?
If it was indeed evolution that got us here than did the first Man have to mate with a monkey to make another human? and then sleep with that one to make more? Doesn't science teach that incest breeds genetic defects?

All moral foundations and judicial systems world-wide are based upon the ethics and teaching of the Ten Commandments.

All assumptions are not equal. If they were then suggesting the universe might have been 'created', and life 'designed', by the Easter Bunny would be as valid as any other assumption. In fact it is come to think of it, since there's no evidence that the Easter Bunny didn't design the universe. Right?
Therefore we must consider the possibility...

Irony and sarcasm are usually wasted on children.

commenting to follow the thread. ID almost had a cool take until you read what they are about. They are not searching for anything. They are political leaches.

big bang try explanations in the Kabbalah... Religion is just basically oral history. Transferred to scripture by scribes of the time reported by those with the best recollection. So if we fail to understand the descriptions in any religious text it is our human perceptual failings, in both reporting, transferring and interpreting the text. To continually separate the available knowledge in all religious texts(not just abrahamic, judaic, muslim or christian) from the available scientific knowledge is an approach representing ignorance of compiling evidence.

Wait what? Where is the politics coming into play? There is no one here talking about chicken sandwiches, or republicans, or democrats? lol

The intelligent design movement is a direct outgrowth of the creationism of the 1980s.[13] The scientific and academic communities, along with a U.S. federal court, view intelligent design as either a form of creationism or as a direct descendant that is closely intertwined with traditional creationism;[65][n 13][66][67][68][69] and several authors explicitly refer to it as "intelligent design creationism".[13][70][n 14][71][72]
The movement is headquartered in the Center for Science and Culture (CSC), established in 1996 as the creationist wing of the Discovery Institute to promote a religious agenda[n 15] calling for broad social, academic and political changes

Demigod: Evolution makes ID redundant and unncessary (therefore under Occam's razor, God is removed). The central tenets of ID (that some living things are too complex to have evolved and were therefore designed) is false if evolution is true.

Demigod: Tell me what passage in the bible accurately and specifically describes the Big Bang?

Demigod: So you admit that ID has nothing to with science and is a religious idea. Perfect.

Demigod: An argument from incredulity/ignorance. If you have a hard time understanding the universe then that's your problem, but saying "I don't understand it, therefore it was designed" is not, in any way, shape or form, a valid argument (on the other hand, if there's something specific you don't understand then post it so it can be discussed).

I could name a million different reasons why I believe in an ID over the Bang.....everything just so happened turned out this way theory.....but the thing is......I CAN'T prove that there is a ID but then again......I'm not claiming to be able to

To call it a theory you have to look at its orgins and who is working on validating that theory to any degree. Enough of if it covered here to throw out anything currently thought to be ID

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design
The intelligent design movement is a direct outgrowth of the creationism of the 1980s.[13] The scientific and academic communities, along with a U.S. federal court, view intelligent design as either a form of creationism or as a direct descendant that is closely intertwined with traditional creationism;[65][n 13][66][67][68][69] and several authors explicitly refer to it as "intelligent design creationism".[13][70][n 14][71][72]
The movement is headquartered in the Center for Science and Culture (CSC), established in 1996 as the creationist wing of the Discovery Institute to promote a religious agenda[n 15] calling for broad social, academic and political changes


That isn't a theory. It is a joke.

If you believe in something, you claim it

This posting is asking whether or not ppl believe in intelligent design (god), or not...

Phillip E. Johnson stated that the goal of intelligent design is to cast creationism as a scientific concept.[n 6][n 16] All leading intelligent design proponents are fellows or staff of the Discovery Institute and its Center for Science and Culture.[73] Nearly all intelligent design concepts and the associated movement are the products of the Discovery Institute, which guides the movement and follows its wedge strategy while conducting its Teach the Controversy campaign and their other related programs

You may not like the link but it exists. All I am saying is that with the current ideas of ID there is nothing to believe in because it doesn't exist as a real theory. It is just an organization promoting an agenda.

I saw a show a few nights ago about theories other than the Big Bang. They mentioned that the Big Bang theory is itself losing ground. The other theories proposed were pretty interesting.

Secondly, even the big bang theory itself doesn't say 'something came from nothing.' At least not what I've seen. They explained it as a tiny point that expanded.

Anyway, I'm not sure why people are still clinging to the bible and saying that it explains the big bang. We already know the Bible is false about just about everything else and is not reliable. No flood, no Adam and Eve, the world being 6 thousand years old, etc.

so to say that because some ppl's arguments are flawed, thus you must be right, is pretty small minded.

I really don't like to quote biblical passages here in the forum because I don't want to come across as some sort of "Holy Roller" because I'm not. But here is a link to a website that does a good job explaining how the "Big Bang" theory could possibly be the act of GOD or ID with bible verses to support that theory. I posted SOME of it here but didn't want to post the whole thing.

http://www.pleaseconvinceme.com/index/pg80336

The Universe Begins at a Fixed Time in the Distant Past

This first foundational principle of the ‘big bang’ theory proposes that all space, time and matter begin in a singular event; a hot, energy intense yet highly organized ‘explosion’ (for lack of a better word) from which emerges all the matter and energy that eventually is shaped into the galaxies, stars and planets in our universe. The Bible also speaks of just such a beginning, and it attributes this beginning to a supernatural ‘beginner’ who exists OUTSIDE space time and matter.
Colossians 1:15-17
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

1 Peter 1:20
He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Ephesians 1:4
For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.

From just these few verses, we can conclude that the scriptures proclaim that the universe began in a single creation event. In addition, the Bible describes God as a being who exists OUTSIDE of time, space and matter (often described as being ‘before’ these things). Using the words with which we, as limited human beings, understand and communicate what we know to be true, God seeks to tell us something about the created universe and his nature as a creator who exists ‘outside’ the created order. Nothing in the Biblical record contradicts the facts of the ‘big bang’ theory.

You are not understanding what I'm saying.....or perhaps it's because you don't want to understand. I'm not saying "I don't understand the Universe....therefore it was designed" Like I said before......take "religion" and "science" out of it for a minute. It is far easier for me to believe this Universe had a ID design than it is for me to believe all the marvels of the Universe just randomly happened. THAT takes a stretch of the imagination imo. I don't believe all this came to be from nothing. THINK ABOUT THAT. The whole Universe and everything in it came from nothing?? What I'm saying about not understanding is this: I think we, as humans... have pieces of the puzzle ...but despite what anyone claims....no one KNOW FOR SURE if the Universe just randomly happened or if it had a creator (ID) and that could be because the human brain isn't capable of understanding everything we need to know to understand this. I'm not talking about evolution.....I think we as humans have pretty much figured that one out.

we also know, and have proof that flooding did occur in the times of early man, and there's even a show on that!

idk if a link exists or not, your bringing nothing to this debate,... its odd to quote something out of no where, and then trying to use it as evidence to argue a topic that you haven't even added your own opinion to for or against what anyone is talking about? god has been an idea, or theory long before 1980, and there are numerous books on the topic that predate any other literature that exists to date. so what exactly are you trying to use your information you came across on wiki as? idk why i even bothered to validate to you that i read your post because it makes no sense, and this must be what atheists feel like when they're talking to someone that believes the world is only a few thousand years old.

Irony and sarcasm are usually wasted on children.

if there wasn't a first man, and woman to mate, you wouldn't be typing in this forum now would you... so there obviously was a first man, and woman. this is something religion, and science agree on, they just disagree on the how.

we also know, and have proof that flooding did occur in the times of early man, and there's even a show on that!

If one reads the bible carefully one understands that prior to humans there was no way to accrue any data on time frames in humans perception because we didn't exist.

I've already asked you questions about the male nipple (especially if the Bible is correct and females came from males), our weak backs and feet (if we were designed from the start to be bipedal animals then this shouldn't be the case), and the dangerously narrow birth canal (other animals don't suffer from this so why should we?). Please provide a plausible explanation for these using design theory (then I'll tell you the evolutionary explanation afterwards to compare).

As I noted earlier, the Unitarian Universalist view (universe as God) leaves room for the universe to design itself (and its constituents) intelligently through its own evolution, so there is no problem there at all.

Why can you not concede what is the obvious and simple truth?

I am so not special.

inteligent desing (unlike evolution abiogenesis and the big bang) is falsifiable, al you have to do is prove that life and universes can be formes naturally.

I have an objective possition (maybe wrong maybe true) but it is objective, I know what it takes to convince me that evoluton is true.