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I saw a pic the other day, of some burgers and fries... Yes I saw that too but I question whether it was true. The only way it couldn't have attracted blowies or deteriorated in some way is if there was no moisture. It occurred to me (but maybe I'm just cynical) that people who were trying to make a point about fast food being nutritionally poor could have dried it to improve their story. They obviously went to the trouble of visiting four different fast food outlets to purchase a sample of their product so they've got a point to make. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 6:04:18 AM | I think someone maybe falsifying evidence somewhere here.
I used to buy in the same buns as McDonalds use and there is now way that they would last 3 days without going stale and mouldy.
The fries are made from potato, steamed, dried then par-cooked before being bagged and again the fries would not last 2 years before going off.
The burgers would also go off after 4 hours.
The cheese will go off after 4 hours.
Temperature and time also affect the growth of bacteria and at any good eating establishment they will keep records of temperature and the time the checks are done.
The growth of bacteria is really very fast and to give you the rate at which bacteria grow I will need to dig up all my research I had to do to attain my Food Safety Supervisors Certificate.
Every food and drink orientated business must comply with the Health Act, Food Act and the Food Standards, these are national mainstays of hospitality industry of Australia and New Zealand and then you through in the local council laws.
And yet we still have food poisoning occurring because of people being stupid.
I agree in what you are saying about the slaughter of animals should be humanely done | |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 6:13:28 AM | I think someone maybe falsifying evidence somewhere here.
Hang on a minute here... are you saying we can't trust these anonymous citizen-scientists? Even though there was a picture of food on the internet and everything?!
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Posted: 4/26/2012 7:08:24 AM | ^^^ C'mon guys, it was on Facebook so I feel quite confident in standing by the accuracy of it. 
Tina you'll notice that there was no sauce, no tomato, no moist stuff at all. Just bread meat and cheese. Maybe that has something to do with it. But there are others, and someone who has a 12 year old burger is making the same claim. Don't these people have bins? Maybe it's some kind of cult.
PS. Qld Blue...don't go digging in the archives...my hubby was a chef for 20 years too...and given that he stuck a magnet on the fridge that says "I don't use google cos my husband knows everything" I can just ask him when he's back tomorrow. :) | |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 7:18:09 AM |
I saw a pic the other day, of some burgers and fries...
Yes I saw that too but I question whether it was true.
Hmmm...I wonder where you saw that picture. Yeah , it's cr@p, just like the food, well mostly. The burgers would have had to be kept in a really dry place or dehydrated, and you'll notice there's no salad or cheese...it's true about the fries though...something to do with them being made from dehydrated potatoes, and the amount of oil in them.
Cage free chickens? I suppose it's a step in the right direction, although, unlike 'organic', there is no clear and regulated definition of what cage free means....I could well mean that the suppliers picked up the cages for free.
This place is full of cynics, ain't it Ginger. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2012 1:05:35 AM | I don't believe it, Naamah is deferring to her husband, shock horror and I thought the day would never arrive, seriously tho', there are some weird and wacky foods out there.
As well there are people who will push their ideas with little or no real evidence of containing much truth.
As a chef, I preferred to use foods and ingredients that for me meant that very few or any chemicals were used and animals were slaughtered as humanely as possible.
It has been proven over many years and tests that the more chemicals introduced into food raises the risk of putting lives at risk through allergy's.
Believe it or not but when cattle, sheep and pigs are slaughtered by any means that causes a lot of stress to the animals the meat can be tougher because of the stress in the animal being very high, it is marvelous how governments and or organizations will carry out experiments for any number of reasons.
A simple experiement into stress levels can be carried out by the ordinary person, if you are stressed then your body tenses up but if your relaxed then the tenseness in your body is very low. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2012 4:24:54 AM |
seriously tho', there are some weird and wacky foods out there.
speaking of this... has anyone tried the strangely beautiful shot of hot coffee in ice-cream at Hungry Jacks? I had one and it was so good that I bought another... It is an ice-cream sundae with a shot of coffee instead of topping. It turns into an iced coffee by the time you are finishing it, but it starts out this hot, but cold delight-- | |
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Posted: 4/27/2012 4:37:07 AM | Affogato.
Always sounded like a cat with attitude to me...   | |
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Posted: 5/23/2012 8:00:38 PM | | I apologise if I didn't follow the commentary of my philosophy but since I am a meat eater don't I, by the virtue of my "diet" perpetuate the bovine existance moreso than non meat eaters? | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 2:33:03 AM |
since I am a meat eater don't I, by the virtue of my "diet" perpetuate the bovine existance moreso than non meat eaters?
Im getting Deja Vu here so because im a lazy cow here is a response I prepared earlier (Post 42 I believe)
"Are cows really only here for us to use, abuse and eat?........don't other species of animals have the right to live for their own means, not just to feed us?
Personally I think its almost funny how vegetarians are viewed as people who just don't want animals killed when in fact many of us simply don't eat meat because we object to the cruel way animals are farmed."
So yes, by eating cows you may perpetuate the bovine existance, if you believe that cows are only here to feed us.....but you also perpetuate and continue the belief, that cruelty to animals we produce for food is acceptable and just part of farming.....hence battery cages, sow crates and feedlots.
Also, just before you tuck in did you know that in those feedlots.......female cows are implanted with testosterone and male steers are implanted with oestrogen. Just as nature intended....and we wonder why less and less of us are able to reproduce without artificial help. Doh! | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 2:49:08 AM |
I apologise if I didn't follow the commentary of my philosophy but since I am a meat eater don't I, by the virtue of my "diet" perpetuate the bovine existance moreso than non meat eaters?
Good point, and don't I, by virtue of my diet perpetuate the Homosapien existence?
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Posted: 5/24/2012 7:59:50 PM | Im getting Deja Vu here
I tried i guess in vain to cover that in the first 2 words of my post.
but you also perpetuate and continue the belief, that cruelty to animals we produce for food is acceptable and just part of farming
How so? I am buying and promoting beef raised wonderfully humanly on our island.
Regarding the snarky remark about cows only being here to feed us I wonder how many would have the worldly opportunity of existence if not for the demand of beef consumption. Would the numbers be one in one hundred thousand or closer to one in a million? (if no one ate them). | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 10:53:57 PM | worldly opportunity of existence who ??
how would the cows numbers be if we didn't eat them..if think your trying to spit out??
have you herd (bad cow pun) of a place called India, they have %30 of the worlds cattle and the Cows are considered gods..and pampered, they roam freely with out fear.
As opposed to the West, where the cow is widely considered as nothing better than walking hamburgers, in India, the cow is believed to be a symbol of the earth - because it gives so much yet asks nothing in return.
makes a big difference on where you are born on this funny ole planet !! | |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 11:28:57 PM | That's my point . Where we have no use other than food because we don't consider them gods.
I am saying that with the huge turn over of cows for food we are providing for the birth and enjoyment of them experiencing life by the dozens of millions that otherwise would never have come into existence in this world.
People who refuse to eat beef because they don't want the poor tings to suffer are admonishing the very fact that they will ever come into existence in the first place.
The way I see it meat eaters are more compassionate to the perpetuation of the masses than vegetarians.
because it gives so much yet asks nothing in return.
Except maybe a whole frickin lot of expensive real estate. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 1:06:00 AM | so your logic is along the lines of existence better than no existence like its ok to let the pitbulls fight to death in a dog match, its not cruel coz they wouldn't even exist if there was no dog fight matches.
I think a 4 day old veal calf would dis-agree with you
India
Cows live and let live. they have %30 of the worlds cows and yet DONT eat them. I think the vegans beat the meat eaters there
most euro countries cows are slaughtered having never seen a blade of grass in their entire life. we the humans of earth produce so much grain, we could wipe out starvation instantly with grain. but instead the excess grain gets fed to cows so we can turn it into meat. And then label it "grain fed steak" and pretend like its BETTER !
http://ourgreenbook.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/cow-feed-lot.jpg
I love a good steak, f*ck gimmie two steaks with an egg on top. but I'll buy it locally from a local butcher and when I ask he can tell me what local farm it came from. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 1:18:46 AM |
"Are cows really only here for us to use, abuse and eat?........don't other species of animals have the right to live for their own means, not just to feed us?
Regarding the snarky remark about cows only being here to feed us
Dunno how you got snarky out of that but I guarantee, I can do snarky far better then that when the need arises ;-)
I simply don't aspire to the thought process, whereby all things on earth are only here for my benefit....strange huh?? | |
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Posted: 6/3/2012 10:13:17 PM | "capatilism =coruption."
Im a capitalist pig I freely admit but filleting up an animal that is NOT dead goes against my tax minimisation philosophies.
Jokes aside, these animals deserve nothing short of a painless, swift and dignified death and if our governments cant be given proof of that from the receiving country of our 'goods' then the trade should cease merely on cruelty grounds.
This trade is barbaric and based on nothing but money and misery for our stock. | |
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Posted: 9/28/2012 4:17:04 AM | | After the sheep debacle in the Middle east there are nationwide rally's being held in every capital city on Saturday 06/10/12. :-) | |
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Posted: 9/28/2012 4:58:06 PM | What of the people who want to die in dignity?? we just let them suffer, better to be a cow
left alone to wither and die or a bolt gun to the back of the scone by a competent operator if you are lucky...... not sure brien, reckon if the cows had a choice I know which one they would choose.
As for this Pakistan debacle , imagine that at the nursing home,
"alright everybody frank has scabby mouth, so if everyone would stand up for their knife execution"
poor sheep maybe it is better to be a cow.
I'd like to see RSPCA at every slaughter house... just do it properly, how hard can it be.... | |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 3:24:57 PM | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pvJJbR8zPxo#!
This is avid made by some of the staff of the tv show bondi rescue. what it shows is the inhumane treatment of animals, the teasing of animals to make money, to operate a commercial buissness. It actually has more far reaching consequences that these kents will never admit in their chase for a bigger bank balance and image.
they throw meat out on a rope and then pull it away from the animal as it tries and feeds. This is like free candy signs on the side of a white van parked at a playground.
but then , this teaches the animal that when its around similar situations it might get a feed, so it will loiter and investigate. The way sharks investigate is with thier mouths ( just like children do) but divers dont survive as well as lego.
With the lack of food that is always getting worse, sharks are going to go where the food is, or where they think it is, more and more humans are going diving, more boats anchored over reefs, reefs that have tradionaly always attracted sharks. | |
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