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| | Looking for those who want to discuss WWE, Pro WrestlingPage 3 of 4 (1, 2, 3, 4) | | I don't know if it has changed at all, but do wrestlers even now how to wrestle these days or is it all just talk? It seems that to be successful in WWE you gotta have good mic skills. How the heck did Cena get so much screen time? | |
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Posted: 7/8/2012 6:08:57 PM | | Its because of the idea of how much money he makes, but still he should not be getting the hogan treatment, hogan was the box office, everyone knew who hogan was, he was in films, in TV commercials, doing tons of TV appearances, he was even in part 3 of the rocky movie, he was the shit. And he was making money, allot of it. Cena is nowhere near of the levels of hogan. WWE will make PPL believe he is what everyone wants to see, that he is that big of a draw by using spin. But it is further from the truth, he cannot get a crowd going like hogan could, and hogan was popular with a whole range of fans, 7 8 10 15 26 year old's. When we add the watered down product, poor writing staff, that stephanie thinks is the way forward for the company. Until the McMahon family are bought out, we will get this vanilla crap. I think Shane is needed badly, to show his father direction | |
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Posted: 7/8/2012 6:42:38 PM | | John Cena is definitely not marketable material. I miss the Hulkamania days. I think the only people that comes close to Hulk Hogan fame is The Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin to some extent. Usually the most popular wrestlers have catch phrases like Austin 3:16 and The Peoples Champ. If John Cena has a catch phrase I don't hear about it. To me ,John Cena looks like a jacked up version of Channing Tatum and that's not a compliment. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 2:28:40 AM |
John Cena is definitely not marketable material. I miss the Hulkamania days. I think the only people that comes close to Hulk Hogan fame is The Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin to some extent. Usually the most popular wrestlers have catch phrases like Austin 3:16 and The Peoples Champ. If John Cena has a catch phrase I don't hear about it. To me ,John Cena looks like a jacked up version of Channing Tatum and that's not a compliment.
"you can't see me"
"the champ is here"
"hustle, loyalty, respect"
the order of best selling Merchandise (t-shirts and other stuffs)right now (for men)
1- John Cena Rise Above Hate Authentic T-Shirt
2- CM Punk In Punk We Trust Authentic T-Shirt
3- The Rock 24/7/365 Authentic T-Shirt
4-John Cena Rise Above Hate Sweatbands
5-Zack Ryder Are You Serious Authentic T-Shirt
6-The Rock Just Bring It Retro T-shirt
7-John Cena Rise Above Hate Baseball Cap
8-Austin 3:16 Retro T-shirt
9-Stone Cold Steve Austin What Retro T-shirt
10-CM Punk Wrist Straps
you can hate all you want but i don't think you're paying attention.
k.w.
not a cena fan | |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 3:48:47 AM | | THEKidWicked - he is the most marketable star on WWE, but to get the hogan treatment when he is not making the box office cash makes it beyond a joke. My problem with cena is? he is average on the mic these days, he is a shadow echo of his former self of his 2003 days, quiet average in the ring, I do not think he is that popular, WWE do love to use spin to make him look like this popular star when PPL over 12 cannot stand the guy. But with the success he has had over the years, its about time he put other guys over and made them look like stars. If CM punk loses to cena at summerslam, all this hard work Punk has had since last year, and the build WWE gave him would have been for nothing. But the sad fact that cena has main event nearly every PPV since february is a sad state of affairs | |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 11:39:24 AM | | Wow don't attack me! I haven't watched wrestling in years so I really haven't paid attention to what John Cena is doing. I'm just going from what I remember when I last watched. I just don't think John Cena has the mass appeal as Stephen1998 was saying like Hulk Hogan did or even The Rock. At least the The Rock is doing well in his movie career... | |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 9:25:01 PM | I appreciate pro wrestling as an art form that dates back to the carnivals of the nineteenth century.
I grew up in the 1970's when it was different. It was during the kayfabe era and probably half of the audience believed the matches were legit. Bruno Samartino was the king of the northeast. My favorite from back then was George "The Animal" Steele. I had the good fortune of sitting with him at a diner in NJ after a wrestling show. He has some stories. He was a high school gym teacher, football and wrestling coach in Michigan and only did the professional wrestling during the summer months.
I think Ring of Honor is the best wrestling company today. Quality matches. Worth catching. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2012 1:42:06 AM | Ive been watching since the early 80s when I was a kid. I agree with most in this forum though, that the Attitude Era in WWF and its rivalry with WCWs NWO was the most exciting time in pro wrestling history. I remember looking forward to it every Monday. The only crappy part was that Picture In Picture was not as readily available back then, so I had to switch back & forth between the two.
Id have to say that The Undertaker has been my favorite since Day 1. I think its awesome how he just BECAME his character over the years. Stone Cold was also another guy who just lit it up in & out of the ring. So many classic moments from that guy.
Even though I still watch it these days, its nowhere near what it used to be. Im so grateful for DVR so I can fast forward through all the commercials and all the other rehashed crap that WW'E' fills their 2 hours with. In my opinion, TNA is actually better. You dont have people talkin on the mic for half the show and their ideas and writing are more clever. Not too mention better WRESTLING! Even their women are REAL wrestlers. Not models trying to be wrestlers.
Oh well, I guess it all kind of goes in cycles. Maybe TNA will give WWE a run for its money, forcing them to actually WRESTLE, rather than standing around talking, or dancing around in the ring! (Brotus) | |
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Posted: 7/12/2012 3:13:06 AM | | rizzo1313 - it is frustrating seeing the decline of one of my fave shows I love watching, it is like the simpsons, amazing in its heyday, but now its gone down the crapper. We will not ever get that monday night wars again, the characters its direction, I have got over the fact we will never get wrestling in its boom period ever again | |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 9:10:13 AM | | yea I agree, impact is far superior to the WWE, impact reminds me of the old days of WWE perhaps post attitude era, and more of the ruthless aggression era. They do not over expose on social media, so kayfabe is pretty good with TNA, as they take for more risks than WWE could ever dream of doing these days, vince and his family I have always said this, are taking the piss out of the fans. If Stephanie thinks this is the best direction to take the company in, especially the writers she has brought in, then that shows how bad they have gotten. Just because she is the boss's daughter, does not she should got a high position in the company. Look at bill gates, does he allow any of his family work for microsoft? no, and he is a billionaire. While Vince is still a millionaire | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 8:18:40 AM | After 30 years I have given up on the WWE product. Vince is just concerned with getting his stupid humor on the air more than angles making sense, character development, titles meaning something, untilizing talent, etc, etc. The talent all talks the same, looks the same, and wrestles the same. It is WWE style, which sucks. Vince has even said wrestling fans do not pay attention or remember much of storylines from one week to the next, so he does not bother with storylines making sense. Honestly, why in the hell would I pay to see Daniel Bryan. He looks like a Wal-Mart greeter. Yeah he can work. Big deal. CM Punk is just another glorified indy jobber who is now just WWE'ized and is a scripted puppet. John Cena is given the worst promos to state weekly even a 10 year old on a playground would not say. Orton is beyond stale and boring. Kane is beyond stale and boring, along with Big Show. The format of the shows are the same and beyond scripted. The talent recites lines they do not believe in or say. The only reason they still make money is due to good business budgeting. People will still watch because of the initials. No one person is a legit draw (except Rock when he makes an appearance). WWE is like the Globetrotters, just a touring entertainment company.
Lets compare old days and good days. The old day WWF roster of Hogan, Savage, Piper, Mr Wonderful, Studd, Bundy, Andre, Jake the Snake, Rick Rude (just to name a few). Compare to today: Cena, Ziggler, Sheamus, Kane, Show, Orton, Punk, Bryan, Santino, Christian, Rhodes. Gee wonder which one is better??? Compare the 90's WWE roster to today and the 90's blows today's current roster away also.
I had given up on Impact. After Russo was released (finally), I gave it a chance. I have been pleasantly surprised the last three months. It is like watching a wrestling show, unlike WWE that is a variety show for 5 year olds. I try to catch some ROH, but Kevin Steen as champion is a legitimate joke. The guy would not be even be the most charismatic person at a local McDonalds. I would like to see someone like Davey Richards in TNA, would be great bouts with Aries, Angle, Styles, Joe, Roode.
I will watch the 1000 Raw next week just because a lot of legends return, but not for the current crew of WWE jabrones. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 8:25:52 AM | George The Animal Steele has a bachelors degree from Michigan State and a masters degree from Central Michigan University. He was a football and teacher for Madison Heights high school. My brother worked with his niece at one time. His niece always asked him why he started to act "stupid" on TV. George stated "yeah look at how much money I made!" George used to cut regular promos, but once Vince Jr. took over, Vince said he did not sound like an "animal" at all, so then became the not saying much, grunting, and saying "Lou" for his promos.
George Steele > current WWE crew. | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 1:22:02 PM | | I heard today the plan is for CM Punk to hold the title until November, but that could change at any moment. TNA has signed Chavo Guerrerro to a contract. A waste of money. WWE made him the ultimate jobber having him lose to Horswoggle. Now if he goes over any talent in TNA will make them look like fools. They were better off signing Jigsaw for the X-division. Chavo will bring negative viewers in. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 8:08:22 PM | My favorite Raw moment had to be the night Vince simulcasted Nitro after he bought WCW. It wasn't the thought of what had actually happened, but actually the thought of what I hoped was to come. They started the "Invasion" angle, but messed it up terribly in 2001. I hoped right at that moment that Hogan, Flair, Hall, Nash, Goldberg, and some of the others would be coming in right away and feuding with The Rock, Stone Cold, HHH, HBK, Jericho, Etc. It never happened. Instead the invasion angle was crap with Austin flip flopping sides and Kurt Angle being the focal point. No Hogan or NWO till 2002 when it was too late and they really dropped the ball on it.
My favorite wrestler is stone cold from the past, currently not really any one in particular but I really like Daniel Bryan's new character being somewhat psychotic and a little edgy.
I watched the 1000th episode of Raw and liked some of what they did but felt they could have utilized the legends a lot better than they did. Missing stone cold also was a major suckfest.
I'm Jason, nice to talk some wrestling. Thanks for the thread. | |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 11:51:02 PM | | yeah i remember the invasion angle like it was yesterday.... it was terrible lol. But the reason why goldberg and the other top main eventors from wcw didnts join the angle because they were still under contract and decided to stay home and collect pay. I was really hoping for a sting vs undertaker durin that time. | |
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Posted: 8/24/2012 4:42:39 PM | | since i used watch nwa/wwf in 80s when ricky steamboat, jyd,4horsemen rick flair road warriors, hogan bossman ect. late 80s-attiude era in wwf best rick rude macho man jake snake, warrior,stone cold,rock undertaker bret hart hbk mick foley dx ect. now who stands out except undertaker, hhh, rey mysterio,brock lesnar?.jhon cena was just body builder. liked goldberg too.in tna i rate kurt angle aj styles, jeff hardy.boxing i like older ones ali, roberto duran marvin hagler,sugar raylenord, hitman hearns.if watch british ones, chris eubank v nigel benn . aso thier fights with michael watson/?mclennan.not being american i dont watch nfl, watch (wales /shane williams/gareth edwards era )rugby | |
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Posted: 9/8/2012 3:50:42 PM | Ah, wrestling, my one favorite topic other than dogs with rocket engines strapped to their butts!
I used to consider myself a pretty huge wrestling fan, but have watched little to no wrestling since Hogan and Bischoff came to power in TNA. Don't even get me started on WWE, that promotion has gone to hell over the past twelve years or so.
These days, I keep my wrestling fanhood alive through my undying devotion to researching wrestling history. I have a 500+-page timeline I'm working on (Neolithic Age to present) that chronicles the sport...virtually every significant, borderline significant or even not-so-significant event to take place over the last 18,000 or so years gets put in there. I always get a weird look when I tell people that. | |
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Posted: 9/8/2012 4:05:19 PM | I don't know if it has changed at all, but do wrestlers even now how to wrestle these days or is it all just talk? It seems that to be successful in WWE you gotta have good mic skills. How the heck did Cena get so much screen time?
To answer your questions: no and yes.
WWF/E has always favored mic skills over wrestling ability, and so great wrestlers are shunned in favor of the gimmick heavy talentless.
How else does one explain the overwhelming success of bums like John Cena, The Rock, The Ultimate Warrior, etc.?
As long as the ignorant masses continue to shell out big bucks to have heaving helpings of WWE drivel shoveled weekly into their voracious little mouths, that is how it will continue to be. | |
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Posted: 9/8/2012 10:49:40 PM | Hey there everyone. I'm John and I'm new here. Glad to make my debut post on a wrestling thread.
Anyone a bit bothered by the HIAC 2012 poster with Punk? Like they haven't gone cartoony enough.
P.S.
In Punk I trust! | |
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