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Posted: 7/24/2005 6:58:48 AM | Ticket...yes, sorry I did'nt give this thread and the points you made more attention..I was playing in other threads at the time (I have complained about others doing that..) Yes, the disciples question does display a re-inc flavour. But that is not surprising as that belief as been around for a long time as part of other religions..And yes Jesus did not deny or affirm that in his response..
On the faith to word converter, again missed the point you were trying to make or how we got there..ok your post..
next question is, can we be sure those were the words said? If not, it would also throw into Question anything else in the Bible that was said. Considering the Disciples did not have the same Level of Language Education we have today, how accurate/reliable could the Verbal-to-Written Translation expected to have been?
So what would you consider the "level of Language" education was of the disciples? | |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 9:19:11 AM | | Elijah and Enoch will be the two witnesses during the time of tribulation. Jesus was not Elijah or anyone else. If this was so, than I would be George Bush right? I dont know where you are coming up with the ideas that Elijah was anyone else. You really need to sit down and read what the Bible says. There are to many people that are twisting up the truth. I would hate to be the one that has to stand in judgement for leading people astray because of the truth being twisted. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 9:52:14 AM |
Jesus was not Elijah or anyone else. If this was so, than I would be George Bush right?
The second sentence doesn't logically follow from the first. Anyway, Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah. Are you calling him a liar? | |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 10:58:43 AM | Has anyone read any material by David Bohm, or Chaos theory or for that matter anything that physists have discovered and proved fairly recently? It's rather interesting, because we are now proving what the ancient mayans, as well as other ancient cultures have known all along, and that is that energy(which constitites all life) and time are both non-linear. This means that energy and time occur in a cyclic fashion, like a circle as opposed to a straight line. Alpha is simply the beginning of a new cycle as well as omega being the end of one. Very simple, but so difficult for the western materialistic mind to concieve. Wisdom comes from having an open mind as socrates said "ignorance is wisdom". Jesus in his time of life on this planet had an open mind and because of that he was considered a false prophet by the Jews. Jesus questioned his native religion(judaism) if we will remember. He then further proclaimed "this commandment i give you above all others, to love your enemies as youself".
Well dont think this didnt upset the lollypop cart, as well as his compassionate behavior towards women, children and yes even those who were not jewish. Unfortunately, Christianity is not now what it was in 200 ad and much of the teachings and writings have been suppressed. All major religions have good teachings, it is not so much in what manner one chooses to practice or not at all, but rather what is in ones heart as well as their intents.
Those of you who think that people who believe in reincarnation dont believe in God need to get educated. Fact is life patterns occur in cycles whether we like it or not. Woudnt it be nice if we could all embrace in peace and love and take on a more jesus or budda like compassion for one another? Yes all things are possible. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 11:43:19 AM | very well said starlilly
sounds like echos of some of the *peace sit in's* of the 60's.............ah the good ol' days. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 6:01:57 PM | lottabottle: So what would you consider the "level of Language" education was of the disciples?
Literacy level. Go to any kind of Speaker Event of any sorts, almost impossible to understand everything that is said, whether the Speaker failed to clarify himself, mis-worded something he meant, or the attendees simply don't have the Vocabulary of the Speaker. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 6:39:36 PM | | Ticket...well I can't really comment on the literacy levels of the four gospel writers, it would be just speculation..And the gospels are narrative in form. As to the accuracy of writing down what Jesus said. Well at one time the narrative says that he had up to 70 followers and 12 close disciples, so one would assume that the writers of the four gospels had a number of "ears" to piece togther the events and sayings of JC. And he was at "it" for three years, so there would be re-inforcement by repitition. Of course there are differences but similarities between the four...If a person wants to argue dogmatically for a particular form of doctrine the gospels are in my opinion not very helpfull..The gospels are claiming that Jesus was the Messiah that the old testament predicted, but rejected by the majority of Israel at the time..Doctrine is better "hashed" out from Pauls letters who claimed he learned the scriptures from a child and studied under some of the more learned teachers of the time..However, the basic message as you probably know was that he was crucified, resurrected and ascended into the heavens and one who believes in his sacrifice for sin will be saved. That message could not really be that distorted in the minds of the gospel writers and is re-inforced by the writings of Paul.. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 8:16:54 PM | Elijia and Enoch are supposed to come back? How. Will they suddenly materialize in the dessert? Will they be reborn, with all of their old knowledge? I dont think a man from Iraq trying to get the world attention is going to have a easy time being heard.
Course, my father insisted he was the return of Elijiah, so maybe that spot came and went already. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 11:06:17 PM | Simply Socal it is written then it will happen.
(Zech 4:6)
“Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.”
Let us be unmistakably clear here. Revelation the 11th Chapter specifically refers back to this message in Zechariah. Whatever we conclude about the identity of God’s two witnesses in the book of Revelation, their message is crystal clear… It is a message of God’s unmixed, unshared, undiluted, pure and absolute Sovereignty.
God’s message through His two “anointed ones” (or “Sons of Oil”) (Zech 4:14) remains the same from the Old Testament into the New Testament. God is the actor. It is God whose will is primary, who works all things according to His own will and according to His own perfect plan. This is just as John said in his gospel regarding salvation, writing that we who are saved were, “born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God” (John 1:13). So we can see that the Bible agrees in full that nothing is accomplished outside of the decreed will of God, for it is not by man’s might, nor by man’s power, but by the Lord’s Spirit that operations are carried out on this planet. God’s absolute Sovereignty is the message of His two anointed servants.
Good evening your Late:) | |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 11:09:07 AM |
Elijia and Enoch are supposed to come back?
Where did you read that ENOCH was due back SOCAL???
Just curious...
-Mikel | |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 11:15:08 AM | | reincarnation makes no sense unless you believe animals and bugs have souls (which catholics do not) there are billions more people on earth then there were 1000 years ago....so where did all the new souls come from? | |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 11:16:08 AM | | Rev. mentions two witnesses, but IIRC doesn't name them. Most people take them to be Moses and Elijah. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 11:25:28 AM | | so the people in purgatory are pumping them out like licence plates in jail? | |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 12:01:29 PM | | ^^^^Sure, there's no Heaven are Hell, just an assembly line. It's not a bad job because you get to take a lunch that lasts a lifetime. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 12:07:49 PM | Mike, was going off of a post above that listed enoch. Wasnt stating it as fact, but am aware that Elijiah is supposed to come back, along with Jesus. Sounds like reincarnation, but then again, maybe they will just show up in the dessert. Better be some big, global fan faire tho, becasue they are gonna get rolled by the media otherwise.
DaBoss and above
As far as life and soul... who is to say that the soul of a animal is or is not present. Certainly, there is life. Certianly, many animals exhibit a collective conciouness, in the behaviour of instinct, or hive mentality. If one is to take the native american preception that animal spirits are possibly more powerful than a individual human, perhaps they encounted a collective soul, that is distributed throughout all of the animals.
Of course, then, one could theorize that God, is the collective spirit of man, or perhaps God is the collective spirit of all things?
As far as a numeroligical discrepancy, who is to say that every soul created took a body at the advent of man on this planet? Who is to say, that every soul is limited to these particular meat sacks on this particular tiny rock, orbiting a tiny star, on the BFE trailing edge of a particular arm of one galaxy in a universe that contains millions of others?
Awfully arrogant assumptions of life and soul you are making there. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 12:11:04 PM |
ago....so where did all the new souls come from?
One poster claimed they were coming from other planets... | |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 1:42:44 PM | I want to point out, that even the bible talks about more then one earth. So woudn't there be souls on those other earths too? Maybe that is why God said to multiply the earth, so that there is enough bodys for souls to incarnate into. Just a thought. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 2:17:24 PM | So if there are so many earths as you point out..why would any of these souls want to re-incarnate on this particular planet?..just to keep making a further mess of it?..And please tell us where the bibles states there are many earths... | |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 2:31:09 PM | It doesnt, but thanks again for pointing out how incomplete the bible can be.
considering the sheer statistics alone, most scientific minds veiw the statistical probablity of life outside of our backwater rock as likely.
but go ahead and insist blindly that becasue its not in the bible, God didnt do it. im sure the Divine gets a chuckle about your preceptions of limitation you impose upon it, in the face of obvious fact to the contrary. But, that is, after all, what blind faith is about, isnt it? | |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 2:32:57 PM | | I'll get back to you on that one. I'll have to ask someone who cares and remembers where everything is. I have other things to remember then where everything is in every book I read. It is funny that you have to ask me that question sence you are one of them that goes by that book and copy pastes it in posts. Do you really not KNOW your life guide book? | |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 2:37:41 PM | Socal..Hisis claimed there are other earths in the bible..prove its says that in the bible..I'm sure your "divine" gets a laff out of anything that happens here on this planet..I don't impose limitations on God at all..Thats your wording not mine...Blind faith, not at all..you assume again as you have done in the past...wrongly...otherwise keep up the good work..
Hisis
Do you really not KNOW your life guide book
reasonbly well, do You? You claimed the bible speaks on that topic, I said prove it..I KNOW what it says..but please YOU inform our readers.. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 2:45:03 PM | Why bother proving anything from a incomplete, inaccurate guide?
Anyway, back to reincarnation and off of your little diversion...
If reincarnation implys a 'shortage' of souls as the population increaces, where do the souls come from if there is no reincarnation? | |
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| Reincarnation in the Bible
Posted: 7/25/2005 2:50:47 PM | | The 9 waves of creation. I believe in reincarnation, but of christians in Druid circles it is said that creation of new souls are a part if the 9 waves, from Hindu, and Druid Philosophies. | |
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