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Posted: 8/19/2005 5:22:34 PM | reincarnation makes no sense unless you believe animals and bugs have souls (which catholics do not) there are billions more people on earth then there were 1000 years ago....so where did all the new souls come from?
If your speaking of Roman Catholics....they took reincarnation out of the doctrine in the 1400's. They believed it would allow they people of the church not to have fear..if they believed they had a second chance.
Check it out....ask a priest...or do some homework.......its all there..if you want to find it.
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Posted: 8/19/2005 5:30:09 PM | I have been to the center of Edgar Cayce, called the ARE, in Virginia Beach. It gave me the creeps, with a whole library centered on New Age
satanism,witchcraft all the Occult
I am just wondering how much of these things you saw at they A.R.E centre.....Im am curious for I have received many documents from this centre and never have I received anything on these topics.
They have mostly centred around natural healing.....and what Edgar Cayce did in his life time...and his methods.
Satanism and witchcraft was never a topic of his......could you please validate this please.
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Posted: 9/25/2006 8:45:22 AM | | Reincarnation in the Bible....hmmmmmm An oxymoron truly. But judging by what you have written so far, you make no sense anyways. A babbling fool if you will. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2007 9:44:50 AM | Reincarnation is 'not' biblical.
Reincarnation came from Indian religions like Hinduism. It has evolved into other forms through the centuries into modern day 'new age' beliefs, and general beliefs (people who have deja vu experiences, people who think it makes sense, etc.).
It evolved into the convenient belief that one will return in human form. The original teachings from Hinduism teach that one can come back in an animal form. Because modern day belief shuns the idea of coming back as an animal or lower life form, the wisdom and teachings of the 'ancients' is dismissed. Generally, Bible scholars on the other hand, attempt to learn the meaning of scriptures 'without' altering it's meaning into convenient beliefs. There's exceptions of course, and as a result we have 'cults', but there is an obvious effort to uderstand 'all' scripture, not what is convenient. New Agers on the other hand, totally dismiss the teachings of 'old', perhaps dismissing it as 'uncivilized' thinking.
Problems with reincarnation: In order for a spirit that has departed from a body to enter into an embryo (or sperm/egg connection), it would stand for reason that a divine supernatural force would guide it (or more than likely 'place' it). The teachings of the Bible in no way indicates that God does any such thing. New Agers say very little on the subject apart from maybe a vague reference to a supreme or higher being(s).
We also are aware that the world could end via natural disaster or war. What happens then? We'd have spirits wandering around looking for embryos to occupy that no longer exist! | |
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Posted: 1/9/2007 10:35:41 AM | Holy Cow! 
This thread has been entertaining for me. Thanks.
Of course, I have my own questions and comments.
"......ideas in here as believable is that in order to have gifts from God, i.e. as chance to get one's life right with God, one must be a Christian".
Really? Well it seems to me that this would be the best argument for reincarnation. If one must be a Christian to be good with God, then all others born into other faiths gotta die and get reborn as a Christian, because the Christian God is a loving God, and would not let anyone be lost. Isn't that what it says in the Bible?
And, I don't believe that Pagans worship another God, they just worship Him/Her in another way. Not better, but differently. Same as any other religion. Just differently.
And I don't understand the Christian concept of everyone "being born into sin". How? How is one born into sin if they've never lived before to commit sin? Another strange mystery that Christians have never really explained to my satisfaction.
I believe that reincarnation is a valid concept. The God I worship is only Love. He would not create us and then destroy us if we made mistakes. He would say, ok, you messed up, get back there and try it again.
And there aresome quotations from the Bible, especially the Jesus quotes, that just don't seem to make any other sense than He was referring to reincarnation.
By the way, the Edgar Cayce thought states that Jesus was the original Adam, and Eve was Mary. I like that.
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Posted: 1/9/2007 2:37:18 PM | | What's interesting is how a biblical interpretation of something seems to take precedance over an Eastern religious view when it comes to reincarnation. I thought the opened minded (anti-fundamentalist) would promote the idea of embracing all religions. It seems when it involves coming back as a 'snail', the 'Eastern religious' buck stops there. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2007 7:35:43 PM |
And I don't understand the Christian concept of everyone "being born into sin". How? How is one born into sin if they've never lived before to commit sin? Another strange mystery that Christians have never really explained to my satisfaction.
Do Christians really believe this? I was under the impression they believed Jesus died for our sins, so wouldn't that mean by default that we're born sinless?
I don't believe Jesus died for our sins; but I do see yet another contradiction with the Christian position if the quote is true.
On a related note: Druze are combination of Christian (Gnostic, I believe; but they keep their beliefs kind of secret so it's hard to know) and Muslim. My understanding is that they embrace reincarnation. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2007 7:37:44 PM | Interesting, the original topic was that the things that confirm reincarnation were edited out of the bible, yet people are using what's in the bible to refute it. If it was edited out how can you use what's left over to refute it?
Will anyone deny that the clergy of the Church (both Catholic and otherwise) are mortal and make mistakes? Well those mortal people chose what should go in the bible and what should be excluded. The Church has abused it's power in the past and still does sometimes, what was chosen to be included was what gave the clergy the most power. The Gnostic texts were books of the "bible" (before the bible as we know it today was assembled) but many of them taught to seek to know God yourself and not to be dependent on what we are spoonfed. This obviously wouldn't sit well with a bishop who was practically a duke, it's not like God came down and said, "Ok, put that one in but leave that other one out."
Tyme Gypsy says that the Catholic Church isn't true Christianity, but he uses the bible that the Catholics put together as his source for everything. Shouldn't he be wondering about the missing books those antichristal Catholics decided to leave out even more then someone who believes that the Catholics ARE the true Church? | |
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Posted: 10/16/2008 3:17:54 PM | Adding to the OP's scriptures on Reincarnation are:
Job 8:8-10, KJV, Job speaks of 'Yesterday' in a fashion as if he implies pre-existence!
Revelation 3:12 , KJV, "...and shall go no more out;...", what else but Reincarnation could this be?
Also, in the scriptures regarding Matthew 17, about Elias/Elijah, one must consult www.biblegateway.com on the other gospels about Elias. For the other Disciples record this also as a witness of Jesus's words. | |
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Posted: 5/27/2009 3:23:00 PM | RANDY, I agree with you. The main thing I believe is that Jesus always was and is part of the triune God. God had relationship with himself as Father, son, and holy spirit. He wants relationship with us, his children. he had to send himself Jesus to be the untimate sacrifice, a sin offering thereby ending the burnt offerings that went bad years later. He, God never needed the sacrificial lambs, it was for us to cleanse us. Jesus was that lamb. So when he said "It is finished". he meant for all time. We can do nothing to earn eternal life or be holy or come to the father but thru Jesus. So then if he PAID the price once and for all....there is no need to keep being reborn thru reincarnation. no need what som ever. Either Jesus is who he said or he was a liar and a lunitic. I believe he is who he said. If you have seen me youn have seen the father. I and the father are one. When he left he sent the Holy spirit who was also in evidence in the old testamnet. BTW John the Baptist was Jesus' cousin and NOT Jesus. Helllloooo.
Virgin birth? I have no problem believing that either. Hey, a piece of cake for God...He created the universe, and everything that has ever been. what is the problem? To place the Holy spirit in Mary and all the genetic makeup etc and create Jesus? Not a problem for God at all. Oh yeee of little faith and knowledge and wisdom. It really bothers me when unbelievers misinterpet scripture. | |
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Posted: 5/27/2009 3:28:28 PM | | Please excuse my typos. I can spell, I just can't type. LOL I meant interprit. and a few ohters like ultimate. You get my meaning. There is no modify or edit for the posts here. | |
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Posted: 5/27/2009 3:47:57 PM | Jews believe in reincarnation. They are the people of the Bible, after all.
reincarnation makes no sense unless you believe animals and bugs have souls Jews do. Remember Bilaam's Ass? He spoke to Bilaam.
there are billions more people on earth then there were 1000 years ago....so where did all the new souls come from? According to Jews, a soul, being infinite, can split into as many parts as you want, and each is just the same size as the original, and that as we are all paying for Adam's sin, and since it's not fair for anyone to be punished for something they didn't do, we're all parts of Adam's soul, and we're all just trying to make up for that one sin. Pretty big sin for all this work. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2009 11:19:31 PM | | Jesus IS God. I said the three have always been in relationship with eachother. Jesus was talking to A part of himself I suppose. The trinity is hard to explain and understand but I believe it. I am not a theologian. Jews believe a lot of things, doesn't make it true. You can say what you want, believe what you want, but the BIBLE does not profess that reincarnation is true. No true Believer believes that. Again, he said "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. Either you believe he is who he said he is or you don't. No amount of scripture touting can convince you. The Holy Spirit must come to you and open your eyes to truth. Jesus is The way, The Truth and the life. The Bible can't be understood as the word of God without the Holy Spirit, it will be as foolishness to you. I believe the entire Bibole is the inspired word of God. It takes as much faith to be an athiest and believe God does not exist. For to look at the stars and the moon and galaxies, etc and not believe in a divine creator is foolishness. The order of the universe and "Luminin." Check it out on Utube videoes. Look around...his proof of existance is everywhere. Black holes that aren't empty but more galaxies. Our GOD is an awesome God. Ok, I'm done. Won't post again. Oh, THE SHACK a book by Wm P Young is a great book about God, I now call Papa, Fiction but how it began as a small book for his children and grew is a "God Thing" in motion. Costco usually has copies. Someday every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ IS LORD! That means you! BYE | |
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Posted: 5/30/2009 4:14:07 AM | Proverbs 8:22-31 implies the pre-existence of the soul.
I really dont see anything about reincarnation here! God said he knew us befor creation and called us by name. Just because the cycle is first we are spirits then we have a mortal life on earth.. (a very short mortal life on earth at that) and then return to being a spirit does not imply reincarnation at all.. | |
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Posted: 5/31/2009 8:33:09 PM |
Proverbs 8:22-31 implies the pre-existence of the soul.
No. That proverb teaches nothing of the sort. It is the female personification of "understanding" (v.14) speaking: ". . . I [am] understanding; . . . "
Biblical reincarnation is what is called resurrection. As the writer to the Hebrews wrote: "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: . . ." (9:27.) This life is your chance. The reincarnation is the judgment.
In the judgement all the remaining dead will be resurrected. (Revelaiton 20:11-15. Daniel 12:2.) Literally reincarnated into their own bodies. (Job 19:26.) | |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 2:46:01 AM | brother john:
reincarnation is the opposite of what God is trying to do. Death is the end of it all.
So am I to understand you don't believe the Bible teachings of bodily resurrection? Bodily resurrection is a form of reincarnation. "Reincarnation" meaning to be in the flesh again.
"And [though] after my skin [worms] destroy this [body], yet in my flesh shall I see God: . . ." -- Job | |
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Posted: 6/25/2009 5:39:43 PM | Then WHY, YES in CHRIST'S NAME (Not taking it in VAIN), WHY did our Father and Christ address this issue regarding Elijah coming before Christ would come?
Matthew 16 (King James Version)
13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Then why these references that make it so conflicting of Elijah/Elias(Greek Translation) as if John the Baptist is the reincarnation of Elijah?
Matthew 11
2Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples,
3And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?
4Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:
5The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
6And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
7And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
8But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
9But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a
prophet.
IF Matthew, the responsible Tax Collecter for Rome, born under the constelation ruled by the Kronus Myth, if Matthew is credible is not Christ Saying that Elijah and John the Baptist are the same?
10For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
11Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Sure sounds like reincarnation doesn't it?
Matthew 17
10And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
11And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
Well according to Saint Matthew the DISCIPLES understood that John and Elias were the same in this conversation with our Lord!
Mark 9
11And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?
12And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
13But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.
Something is Awry, for even Saint Mark records Christ as teaching that Elias had to return and he was John the Baptist! | |
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Posted: 6/26/2009 7:07:16 PM | IF Matthew, the responsible Tax Collecter for Rome, born under the constelation ruled by the Kronus Myth, if Matthew is credible is not Christ Saying that Elijah and John the Baptist are the same?
If?
Do you find Matthew credible? I find it helpful to think many of Christ's words in metaphor, especially whe he follows an exhortation with the words "he who hath ears." He is clueing in the listener (reader) to hidden meaning. Everybody has ears, don't they?
I believe you need to study all of the parables he spoke. He spoke in metaphor so that the "devil's handimen" wouldn't destroy the work. If he said the things he meant to say in plain verbage, there wouldn't have been such mystery, and many would have lost their fascination. Others would have simply destroyed the work. The disciples learned the lesson, and wrote the Gospels with the same tone of mystery. Some embellished a little too deeply, but the direct quotations reveal the mystery to the studious and faithful. It helps if you start by taking very few things literally, and work from there, IMO. I think many of the faithful take too much, too literally. Think of it as "literary," and not literal. It isn't "fiction" but the reality is shaded by metphor, IMO.
If you actually "hear the metaphor" he has again healed another deaf person. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 3:47:07 PM | kissmekindsir:
Then WHY, YES in CHRIST'S NAME (Not taking it in VAIN), WHY did our Father and Christ address this issue regarding Elijah coming before Christ would come? Because Elijah is to really come. John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah. And so was a fulfillment in that regard. (see Luke 1:17.) But when asked Jesus went on to say regarding Elijah that, "Elijah will really come first, and restore all things." (Mark 9:12.) And and Jesus had said this shortly after both Moses and Elijah appeard to some of the disciples who were with Jesus when Jesus was being transfigured as He will appear in the future kingdom. (see Mark 9:1-5) That was a fulfillment, having Moses and Elijah who are the two anointed ones prophecied to stand before the Lord of the earth (Zachariah 4:14.) And so it is that Elijah (with Moses) really returns during the time of the Apocalypse (see Revelation 11:3, 4.)
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Then why these references that make it so conflicting of Elijah/Elias(Greek Translation) as if John the Baptist is the reincarnation of Elijah? John the Baptist had been beheaded. John the Baptist was FYI born six months before Jesus was born. Jesus has been living at the same time John was. So the type of reincarnation supposed was resurrection from the dead. Some who had not known of Jesus and did know of John and his death were supposing Jesus was the resurrected John the Baptist.
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Sure sounds like reincarnation doesn't it? No. John the Baptist was one fulfullment of the prophecy of Elijah coming. John was not the person Elijah, but the fulfillment by John coming in the Spirit that Elijah had.(see Luke 1:15-17.)
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Posted: 7/4/2009 7:02:12 PM | No. John the Baptist was one fulfullment of the prophecy of Elijah coming. John was not the person Elijah, but the fulfillment by John coming in the Spirit that Elijah had.(see Luke 1:15-17.)
But, but, but.......
Isn't the Bible the inerrent word of God?
Why would He try to confuse people like that?
That sounds like an error. Or, maybe it is a metaphor? Do you think?
I know one thing. I can't describe a metaphor and call the Bible "inerrant." There is no possible way that everyone could interpret a metaphor in the same way as the next person. I certainly am not going to take someone elses word for the meaning of the metaphor, but I do accept yours. Thank you. I agree. John was not the reincarnation of Elijah, but had the "Spirit of Truth" within his very soul.
Some people actually argue against the existence of these historical people. I ask them, if they did not exist, then who invented Baptism, and who turned it into a fad?
I am an inventor, and I know how hard it is to get an invention accepted by the populace. It required a magnificent mind to accomplish. I really don't care what "the person's" actual name was. He existed. Truth has a way of demonstrating itself and leaving clues for the diligent and studious. It loves to evade slackers and scoffers. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2009 2:10:16 PM | As many Bible scholars know, the Bible was NOT wrote by God but men inspired by God, and possibly distortions due to political agendas both of the warped Church leadership and corrupt Kings(Israel and Europeon), and there are a FEW errors in translation in both Testaments. And if one has read it there are books left out that are mentioned in the 66 books.
But WHY does it say "... and he shall go no more out..." in the following Scripture which sounds so much like souls are departing from God going into human existence(many times reincarnating) contrasted to the Heaven and Hell of Orthodoxy which both words are from Greek and latter Roman concepts as in Judaism Heaven and Hell DO NOT exist as taught by the works of Dante and Catholicism?
I mean *IF* one does the Legwork thru study, the concepts of Heaven and Hell come from myths of Greek Gods, NOT in the Old Testament til the Greek Conquest!
Revelation 3:12 (King James Version)
12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
From above Post:
Why would He try to confuse people like that?
Some people still think God needs to be GENDERIZED and that when an Artist creates something in his image it means the Artwork looks like the Artist! This sounds to much like the Greek gods and Roman Gods having human-like relationships in the sky!
Again from Above Post:
John was not the reincarnation of Elijah, but had the "Spirit of Truth" within his very soul.
Better go to www.biblegateway.com and reflect upon all scriptures regarding Elijah or Elias(Greek) in various translations in a KEYWORD search. Then contemplate WHY about every culture on Earth has believed in Re-Incarnation but Judaism and Christianity. 
Do you think the different Exiles and Occupations of Israel could have altered thier religion some just as the Churches in the USA have altered present Native American Religions to a Degree?
Or do you think the Present Churches practicing in America are exactly like the Teachings of their respective founder and the people who were the Foundation of the movement?
Let's get real, just because it was taught one way for so long does that mean it actually was a certain way? Wasn't that according to scripture, why our Lord got in BIG trouble with the ESTABLISHMENT Religious leadership that had it wrong? | |
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Posted: 7/6/2009 10:18:19 PM | Better go to www.biblegateway.com and reflect upon all scriptures regarding Elijah or Elias(Greek) in various translations in a KEYWORD search. Then contemplate WHY about every culture on Earth has believed in Re-Incarnation but Judaism and Christianity..
No thanks. I believe my metaphorical interpretation carrys significant merit.
I said:
John was not the reincarnation of Elijah, but had the "Spirit of Truth" within his very soul.
John the Baptist proclaimed the coming of he who would baptise with the Holy Spirit, and not water. He is as quoted as saying; "He will gather the wheat and burn the chaff" I have no need for a keyword search to verify the metaphorical usage. I know chaff when I see it. I also understand that whether or not he was "Elijah" he was a great metaphorical author, and deserved to stand next to a man of Elijah's stature. I am "Gospels" kind of guy. Everything I needed for my "enlightenment" was found in the "five" Gospels. Read the Nag Hammadi version of "The Gospel of Thomas," and you have five. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2009 12:53:53 PM | The I wonder why the Jewish people allowed this quote in their cannonized Old Testament that defends a Pre-Existence:
Job 8:9 KJV
9(For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow:)
If we are but of yesterday as Job claims there must be a life or existence before this one!
If our life is but a shadow, how many shadows can a tree or monument cast in it's total existence? The sun shines most days unless it's cloudy all day. A tree can cast thousands if not millions of shadows before it is gone! | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 10:37:31 AM | That doesn't prove anything! Scripture clearly states that there is no reincarnation. For anyone to believe otherwise and to misquote Scripture is sheer folly. Job was referring to the fact that we as human mortals are as a shadow compared to God The Almighty. Ephemereal, mere wisps in knowledge and substance. Who are we compared to God? What are we compared to God? "
There was no life or existence for us as mortals before the one we live in now...This isn't the 'Matrix' hon!
There have been comparisons to the king of Jeru-Salem in the Pentateuch as being an incarnation of Christ, but thats' part of the Great Mystery. Christ has ALWAYS been Christ, since time immemorial.
As ants are to us, so we are to God" | |
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