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In the mean time, where is that "dependable" link proving that Nancy Pelosi said "We need to pass ObamaCare so that the public can find out what’s in the bill."
It has already been posted, right above your post. This is a WRITTEN. I need posts I can read and eventually "quote" from.
I'll gladly respond to anything posters put in writing. I can research where a written account of something came from.
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PGL7
| | Joined: 8/7/2010
Msg: 228 | |
| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 4/26/2012 9:17:15 PM | Apparantly Nan on video making the statement is not credible.
but I digress, now back to the topic - Obama is an utter failure...
More proof the US economy is stumbling;
1. Durable Goods Fall in U.S.A.
This is the sales of appliances and other medum to big ticket items.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/morning-market-roundup-durable-goods-down-eu-loans-down-bk-cage-free-promise-u-s-futures-buoyed/
2. New Home Sales Down in US
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/03/23/us-new-home-sales.html
When you combine these two leading indicators with the debt being 100% 0f GDP it is not looking rosy for the Obama economy. Nobody has a job or the money to spend and those with jobs and money are too afraid to spent knowing what hell Obama will unleash next year if he is elected to a second more dissatorous term.
Like the immortal Ricky Ricardo said while trying to get a job in the Obama U.S ... "Obi you got some splainin to do "! | |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 9:43:25 PM | I've got to side with pgl on this one. Actual video of Rep Pelosi saying what he claims she said is as good as it gets. Nobody is interested enough to go through the Christian Science Monitor website to find them reporting it.
But there has been job growth every month of Obama's Presidency. You still have an auto industry. We're seeing as the UK slips into recession again that austerity is the worst way to deal with economic uncertainty. That's all the Republicans are proposing. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 9:49:30 PM |
it is not looking rosy for the Obama economy.
Actually, there has been a steady climb out of the recession since Obama took office. Things are looking quite rosy for Obama, and for the rest of us, too--no thanks to the obstructionists Republicans in the House and Senate who have done everything they can to sink the economy. The Republican Congressmen and Senators are lucky that in the United States, their treasonous betrayal of this country will only result in them being voted out of office. Other countries look upon treason a little more harshly. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 9:55:01 PM | I would advise the careful questioning of everything you read. This is no longer encouraged in American culture...infact, it never was.
You say that the U.S. economy is stumbling...but in comparison to what, and for what reasons? According to what the econcomy looked like prior to Obama taking office...it has climbed. The recession was over since 2009 by economist standards and President Bush is STILL the only president to lose jobs. Understand that the application of Keynesian economics on the demand side is NOT quick. The gloom and doom preached by the conservative media actually does more harm than good in democratic years (and it DOESN'T happen in republican years, which as we saw in the Bush era, can ALSO do more harm than good). In effect it deminishes confidence, and stiffles spending.
Many of the residual effects of the Bush years are the reason for the rising deficit, NOT the policies enacted since (read my post on taxation if you can find it). Namely...the unemployment rate and the lack of tax payers. That coupled with the fact that cutting some of the baseline programs would negatively effect the jobless. Some of them (such as unemployment) needed to be enlarged.
We also cannot discount the many job creating bills that haven't passed the republican congress.
Now in all fairness, there are roughly 15 (last time I checked) republican bills that claim to create jobs stalled in the senate as well. However, almost ALL of those bills are bills about releasing regulations on businesses; the vast majority of them aimed squarely at the EPA. As smart as I am, I still don't know why republicans hate the environment so much.
New home sales down is good thing. Too often American leaders view spending as a sign of economic stregth when in reality, spending can only be equated in real terms; otherwise you are counting air. Most notably the air filling liquidity bubbles. In other words...people buying more carefully is considered (in some circles) as a sign of economic stiffle while in reality, it may just be the natural progression of people coming to reality with their financial capacity. Ultimately, I don't blame Bush for the liquidity traps that spurred the wide spread credit bust in the country as much as I blame the iffy lending practices and the people themselves for poor wealth management which lead to confusion of assets and liabilities (a house is a liability until it's paid for).
Ultimately, the more you learn...the less you know. My perscription: keep reading. | |
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PGL7
| | Joined: 8/7/2010
Msg: 232 | |
| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 4/27/2012 12:19:30 AM | Ya gotta love it... It's "George's Fault".
A liberls answer to all that ails... it's George's fault.
It was george's fault 4 years ago but not any more.
The bottom line is that during his reign the US national debt has risen faster than any other president and that is why his presidency is an utter failure. In stead of fixing the perceived Bush mistakes he has exasperated the situation and his only response is... "it's George's fault".
Come November will it me "George's fault Mr Obama is out of a job like 8.2 % of all Americans?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20095704-503544.html
This link brought to you by CBS News home of Walter Kronkite not to be confused with that esteemed jounalist Walter Cronkite who now finds himself pushing up daisies and glad that he doesn't have to live in the Obama economy. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2012 8:28:33 AM | "It's George's Fault"
Hmmmm...I was trying to think of an appropriate similiarity. The only one I can really give is a super-tanker. They don't tend to turn on a dime. For many of them it takes 2 or 3 miles to turn.
Now not unlike the tanker in question, here we have a certain amount of drag in the economy. Several trillion disappeared out of home values from 2008. Then while we propped up the banks, with trillions, we failed to hold them to standards, we gave them money in the bailouts, with no strings attached. Which means they could basically borrow as much as they want, at the Fed window for way less than 1%, and loan that money to the ultimate borrower the US government. So who would you loan money to? Joe's pizzeria, or Sam's plumbing or the good ol US gubment!
Next of course we have the 8 year history(yeah I know it goes further back than that, but was excelerated under shrub) of off shoring of jobs.
Now not unlike the great depression, it takes YEARS for the economy to recover. I won't argue the semantics of whether Obama's course of action was the perfect one. Though aside from the first 18 months, when he got some bills passed in congress, they have since sat on their hands and DONE NOTHING! Sorry, you can't blame a guy, for the failure of his plan, when he doesn't even get to put half of it, in action. That's the equivalent of only playing offense in a football game, if you don't field a defense, they will score everytime.
"Come November will it me(be?) "George's fault Mr Obama is out of a job like 8.2% of all Americans?"
Yeah, it might just be! Obama didn't start the 2 wars, shrub(george)did! Obama didn't let the banks run wild with no regulation and MBO's up the gazoo, shrub did! Obama didn't have 8 years of letting business offshore millions of jobs, shrub did! Obama didn't start the credit freeze or the stock market crash, shrub did! Obama didn't bring you the unfunded Bush taxcuts(obviously), shrub did! Obama didn't bring you one of the biggest bonndoggles of all time, the change in Medicare RX plans, a boon to the big pharma industry and not paid for, shrub did!
8 years into trying to turn the country around FDR, was still in a pickle with the economy! Who knows how many years it would have taken, had it not been for WW2 and that wars production of bombs, jeeps, trucks, ships and planes.
Now having said alllll that, it has nothing really to do with success or failure, more a sense that a segment of our society hates Obama period, end of story. What you can read above, while not a complete rundown of the economic story, is a pretty complete one, and a fair assessment of what has happened.
Before you go into that voting booth, you might want to give some thought to one other thing. This week senior advisors to the RNC and the Mittster, admitted that their "plan" was a return to the policies of your pal "George"...oh they said a "revised plan"...but it still is the same basic concepts.
You may think Obama screwed the pooch over the last 4 years, but do you have a longing to see what 4 or possibly 8 years more of "George's" plan will bring ya?
Think about it! | |
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Posted: 4/27/2012 8:57:26 AM | Facepalm. Why do I even bother?
And I'm a libertarian...not a liberal (which is a conservative word that means, "anyone who is NOT a conservative). I just don't like being punished by smarmy conserative propaganda for actually KNOWING something.
I listen to Rush and Fox just for the fun of seeing how many misleading statements, outright falacies and word message association tactics I can catch before I have to look something up to reread the fact.
It's like a memory test of sorts. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2012 2:23:01 PM |
More proof the US economy is stumbling ...
... it is not looking rosy for the Obama
The one thing that never ceases to amaze me is how people seem to think that what took 8 years to go down the tube should somehow repair itself over night. That just makes no logical sense to me.
When a run-of-the-mill family has to go in debt (let's say for a sick child) and they run up thousands and thousands in debt, they do not recuperate from that over night. Now let's say the family was a two-income family and the mother/father had to quit her/his job to take care of the sick child or even lost the job for taking off too much time with the sick child. The result is that they're suddenly living off of one income, paying for a house that was financed based on both incomes, no doubt making payments on the debt they incurred trying to keep their sick child alive (perhaps because the insurance won't pay for pre-existing conditions?). Now let's say the roof develops a leak and the car gets to the point that it barely runs ............
That family is not going to recuperate from anything like that over night. It will take them years to get their heads above water ... and that's if everything goes alright and they don't lose their house and the other job that's left. That's if they can stay healthy enough to weather all that.
Well, neither is this nation going to be able to recuperate over night from the hit it took from the "Dumbya" regime.
How is it President Obama's failure that the nation has not recuperated over night from the slam of the previous 8 years? | |
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Posted: 4/27/2012 2:27:27 PM | "Hmmmm...I was trying to think of an appropriate similiarity. The only one I can really give is a super-tanker. They don't tend to turn on a dime. For many of them it takes 2 or 3 miles to turn."
It's also worth noting that the ship of state (Obama) also has a fleet of tugs attached to its stern, pulling in the opposite direction. Kinda makes the turn harder. | |
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PGL7
| | Joined: 8/7/2010
Msg: 237 | |
| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 4/29/2012 9:35:28 PM |
It's also worth noting that the ship of state (Obama) also has a fleet of tugs attached to its stern, pulling in the opposite direction. Kinda makes the turn harder.
Me thinkith the name of the Obama ship is the "Edmund Fitzbama"!
Either way it was George who punched the hole in Barraks hull. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2012 3:56:50 PM |
This is a WRITTEN. I need posts I can read and eventually "quote" from.
That's why I wrote out the exact words as heard in the clip for you - because I know you won't watch videos posted on here, unless you are the one posting them. I understand not wanting to watch propaganda videos on here, but as others have pointed out, this is an ACTUAL VIDEO OF PELOSI saying those words.
"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said this week that the Democrats have to pass their terrible health care bill so that the American people can actually find out what's in it."
-Republican Party of Texas on Friday, March 12th, 2010 in an e-mail blast
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So how does the GOP's statement shake out?
The party's e-mail errs when it makes it sound as if Pelosi thinks the health-care measure is terrible. It's very much the opposite.
But it accurately quotes Pelosi as saying people will find out what's in the plan after it passes.
We rate the statement as Mostly True.
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/mar/15/republican-party-texas/texas-gop-says-speaker-nancy-pelosi-said-people-wi/
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Posted: 5/3/2012 10:41:11 AM | I like this topic.
What it ultimately boils down to is each side discrediting the others statistics.
If one side were to EVER accept the others statistics...these arguments between parties would cease to exist on the grounds of logic.
This is the only reason that political science exists. Becuase there are factors other than facts that influence political power. If it were just about facts...this would be a science class. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2012 7:20:15 AM |
This is a WRITTEN. I need posts I can read and eventually "quote" from.
I'll gladly respond to anything posters put in writing. I can research where a written account of something came from.
I've provided it in the written. Still waiting for that glad response. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2012 10:45:37 PM |
I like this topic.
What it ultimately boils down to is each side discrediting the others statistics. Yuppers ... here's what the OP says.
Ok now that we have a topic about hating Obama, the people that really can't stand Obama can post their disgust in here instead of posting it everywhere else in other threads that don't relate Obama ie Rick Perry thread.
So now that we got that out of the way hate away.... | |
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PGL7
| | Joined: 8/7/2010
Msg: 242 | |
| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 5/13/2012 12:08:00 AM | Someone is very disappointed here.
There is no "hate" for Obama.
He is probably a decent man.
It is his policies that are hated.
On the contrary all one has to do is read the many posts of the left leaning members here and especially yours to see true hatred of politicians and people who oppose your ideas.
The hatred is not on the right it is on the left.
Look at the methods of protest by the Occupy group versus the protests of the Tea Party.
Riots as compared to public orderly descent.
Just look at the term you use for the Tea Party.
Clearly there is only one hater here! | |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 6:25:09 PM | There is no "hate" for Obama.
Within months of him taking office...Rush was calling him an angry black man.
Glenn Beck was saying that 'this was all about reparations' (among other things of course...it's Glenn).
Hannity...well...I'm sure you know where Hannity took things. Repeating it is unnessary.
Then there's the "I hope he fails" comment. You get one guess who said that.
It is his policies that are hated.
Hatred for whom? The gays? He's the most pro-gay President in history. The sick? His healthcare bill (which I find to be flawed in many ways) will go to help millions of Americans who couldn't get healthcare prior to it's enactment (probably the MOST good that the bill will do). For Wall Street? What's changed? Big businesses got bailed out. Industries were saved. Dodd Frank demands accountability on lending practices (which should've been done in the first place) and risk management. Obviously, the most 'liberal' part of the regulation is how much mobility it gives larger banks. Google the recent J.P. Morgan Chase debocle. Evidently "Dodd-Frank" isn't as strong as it needs to be. The middle class? The food stamp cut off was dropped...the unemployment benefit extended to 99 months (until recently), and other such measures. The president has even called for a caucus on Veteran employment (which I personally appreciate). Of course, none of this is highlighted if you get your 'talking points' from Rush Limbreath and Feux News. In reality...policy is about cost AND benefit. To get a full view on what is being enacted...you must get a healthy understanding of BOTH.
Look at the methods of protest by the Occupy group versus the protests of the Tea Party.
I don't remember any "Hitler" comparisons or racist picket signs in the Occupy Wall street movement. Just unruly young adults and middle aged men with a bone to pick.
Riots as compared to public orderly descent
Young people full of piss and vinegar will get DISORDERLY. This has gone back as far as the Vietnam war riots in college and Americans spitting on and flogging returning veterans. This proves nothing but a demographic difference. The Tea Party has been polled and demographed to be mostly upper aged, white and male...OWS was everyone else (who gave a damn anyway. The tea party is exponentially bigger and more persisitant). Besides....just because they "behave" doesn't make them RIGHT for the future of America. May I remind you that the ORIGINAL Tea Party wasn't exactly a 'scones out, pinkey's up' type event. If anything...descent is CLOSER to the American response to outrage than organized opposition.
The hatred is not on the right it is on the left.
And who do the left hate? Is it the war on Christmas this week...the war on mothers...or the war on women (which conservatives TRIED to spend to the democrats discredit)? Is it the demand that millionaires contribute even MORE taxes than they already do? Need I remind you that the tax rate in 1954 was 91% for the top 1%. Need I ALSO remind you that the dreaded 'corporate tax' that they harp about (nearly the highest in the world, yadda yadda yadda) is very SELDOM paid because of all of the loop holes in the tax code? Do you know how millionaires like Warren Buffet pay less than their secretary? Because their earned income isn't ENOUGH to qualify for the highest tax rate. Google the "CEO $1 salary". The 35% tax rate applies only to EARNED INCOME. MOST of their income is from dividends which is taxed at the (much lower) dividends and capital gains tax. These are facts (a foreign language to Rush and Fox folleys). I could go on, but I'm sure to develop carpal tunnel.
Clearly there is only one hater here!
You are absolutely right.
** And all of this is off the top of my pointy little head (also known as 'debating points). Imagine how much more dangerous I could be if I had time to go back through all of my sources? Wakka wakka! | |
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PGL7
| | Joined: 8/7/2010
Msg: 244 | |
| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 5/13/2012 7:57:43 PM | You prove my point well.
To disagree with the many issues you mention is not hate.
I have listened to Hannity and Limbaugh and O'Reilly none of them say they hate Obama in fact they are quite complimentary. They recognize and admire his strong traits but disagree with his policies and socialist tendencies.
Don't confuse a difference of opinion as being hatred for someone.
I have seen it here many times. Read the posts and look for the word hate.
As for the wars you mention you are a obviously a follower and highly susceptible to rhetoric.
Do you really think the republican party would (war/hate) such large groups of voters as you mention.
Was it a war on women when Anne Romney was attacked?
If you listen to Howard Dean, Obama and Biden you would think they Rebublicans hate everybody.
Give you head a shake!
They simply have a different idea of how to achieve success for them.
The Occupy group is a joke. A bunch of slackers who want life given to them.
Free health care, free daycare free food, free housing, free student loans, free , free, free.
The US deficit now exceeds GDP.
How long can that continue till a Greek like collapse occurs.
Read the book "Atlas Shrugged" and learn what made America great and what is now destroying it.
Thank God, in Canada our liberal government during good times drastically cut spending including entitlements several years ago. As a result our economy has done much better the last few years and we are in much better position to weather the upcoming recession you will face in the US. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 8:43:24 PM |
Read the book "Atlas Shrugged" and learn what made America great and what is now destroying it.
Atlas Shrugged was a science fiction book--and not a very good one. The premise of the book is absurd at best. Ayn Rand was a loon. As a writer, she was a hack. I would compare her to L. Ron Hubbard.
Read the posts and look for the word hate.
Here is some hate, right here:
The Occupy group is a joke. A bunch of slackers...
Surfaceofficer wrote a very good post up there; but it was wasted on you because...
I have listened to Hannity and Limbaugh and O'Reilly...
I believe the damage done to the human brain from spending hours and hours watching Fox News and Rush Limbaugh is probably irreversible. | |
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PGL7
| | Joined: 8/7/2010
Msg: 246 | |
| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 5/13/2012 9:07:28 PM |
Atlas Shrugged was a science fiction book--and not a very good one. The premise of the book is absurd at best. Ayn Rand was a loon. As a writer, she was a hack. I would compare her to L. Ron Hubbard.
You are obviously mis-informed it is much more fiction and philosophy although it does include some elements of Science Fiction. But what is wrong with Science Fiction?
Atlas Shrugged ranked #1 in the "Fiction and Literature" category at Amazon and #15 in overall sales. Total sales of the novel in 2009 exceeded 500,000 copies.
Not bad for a hack book from a hack author.
Here is some hate, right here:
The Occupy group is a joke. A bunch of slackers...
Wow that some kinda hate...!
I believe the damage done to the human brain from spending hours and hours watching Fox News and Rush Limbaugh is probably irreversible.
The insults once again prove my point.
"Who Is John Galt! | |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 6:44:39 AM |
You are obviously mis-informed it is much more fiction and philosophy although it does include some elements of Science Fiction. But what is wrong with Science Fiction?
Nothing provided the person reading it has the intellectual capacity to understand that it is only science fiction and nothing more.
Just look at the mess the bible has cause and you will quickly see what taking a of book of fiction literally can do to people. | |
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PGL7
| | Joined: 8/7/2010
Msg: 248 | |
| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 5/14/2012 11:53:41 AM | But again it is not all science fiction.
The book is much more philosophy and mystery.
Atlas Shrugged discusses what happens in a dystopian United States where many of society's most productive citizens refuse to be exploited by increasing taxation and government regulations and simply quit.
Who will pay for the entitlements demanded by the ... "Occupy" crowd.
Sounds less like science fiction and more like the Obama America.
Similar books include Brave New World, and Nineteen Eighty-Four. All three are 20th century classics.
Enjoy the read. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 12:55:37 PM |
Nineteen Eighty-Four.
There is much about Nineteen Eighty-Four that reminds of things as they are today. For example, Fox News is very much like the Two Minutes Hate mentioned in the book. However, with Fox News, instead of it lasting two minutes, it just goes on and on without end.
The cult of personality created by Big Brother can be compared to the conservative media's attempts to idealize the wealthy--"the innovators" as Mitt Romney and Ayn Rand like to call them.
The never ending wars to cultivate a patriotic reverence for our leaders, and to wastefully consume resources in order to keep the population occupied and working while enriching the wealthy few.
Newspeak...think texting. There is a purpose behind that.
I could go on, but I think the point is made. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 1:56:06 PM | Your ability to ignore context and all-but-miss my objective reasoning (remember, your talking to a libertarian, NOT a liberal) is kinda entertaining...but ultimately unnecessary.
Oh well. You can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into in the first place. | |
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