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I also just got a job that will offer me medical benefits.
Congratulations on that front! And in all others! Imagine, now no insurance company will try to deny you coverage because of pre-existing conditions. I was without insurance for a while because I was too old to be able to afford the premiums charged to people over 60. I didn't know that old age was a pre-existing condition. Luckily, in Massachusetts we now have a health care law that takes into account the affordability factor. And now, all the people of the United States will have access to health care insurance that they can afford. | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 6/28/2012 9:39:30 AM | Obozo said in 09 the mandate was a penalty........... NOT a tax.....Now he and SCOTUS is calling it a tax.
That is changing the law not upholding it.
No worries though this will just fire up the millions of Americans that don't want this law. We will have our say in Nov.
Obozo might have a law but the GOP now has a cause to run on. Over 60% of people do NOT want this law and this will get those people to the ballot box! | |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:19:51 AM | But but but...just days ago, you were touting the supreme court would do the right thing? Now you are saying you don't like the right thing. Oh I get it, it's only the right thing when it goes the republicant way.
"Over 60% of people do NOT want this law"
Because of a number of factors, first the law(thanks lawyers) is 22,000 pages long. Because 95%+ of the people haven't read it. Most Americans want the cliff-notes version they can understand in the 3 minutes of commericals between their episodes of American Idol, glass house, so you think you dance, or whatever dribble is on tv.
The republicans/conservatives, corporations, insurance industry spent $236 million on ads decrying the law. The government and Obama spent a little over $1 million explaining it. How is that gonna come? Well it comes out in death panels, which has ZERO to do with the actual law, but makes for a great sound bite.
If you go beyond the simple numner of "60% of people", and look at some of the other statistics in that same survey. More than half of all democrats AND republicans like many aspects of the Affordable Care Act. Some by as much as 80%.
But I guess that wouldn't be in your best interest to show that, since you have an agenda to further. | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 6/28/2012 12:16:27 PM | | I know it's a longshot but Ron Paul is on the ballot in 50 states. I support ONLY Ron Paul. I don't like Romney but I detest Obama. We cannot afford another 4 years of this current president. | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 6/28/2012 12:49:52 PM |
Imagine, now no insurance company will try to deny you coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
Of course.
Why would they turn away anybody.
They are pretty much guaranteed profits from the government.
"Oh, you chopped off your leg while using your lawnmower as a hedge trimmer while drunk and your HMO doesn't cover it? Well here's some insurance for you, only 50$ out of pocket for leg replacement surgery there buddy. We'll get the rest from uncle sugar, because we can't deny you...but we aren't going to not get paid for it. Too bad you can't sue the lawnmower company, because they've already been sued out of business for this very reason and lost their case since they didn't have a safety warning in the manual to not use the mower while drunk, and to use it only for intended purposes."
And now, all the people of the United States will have access to health care insurance that they can afford.
It kind of reminds me of that old Henry Ford thing "you can have any color you want, as long as it's black." Only now with the caveat "and you have to buy one, or else." | |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 1:07:37 PM | I love the way some posters see things! hahahahaha!!!
They live in the never-never land version of the USA. An election is held, a president elected, the majority of the people elected him. Somewhere down the road he goes off in a direction they are unhappy with. So now, they want the right to besmurch the office, and do things to him. Still not willing to accept him as leader of our country.
So it becomes their right, to tear down, all we hold as sacred, in our government. Because it hurts their feel good moment or does not align with their beliefs, or desires. Their "individuality" gives them license, to say horrendous things, and act a fool. Now our constitution allows free speech, however there are some social conventions that should go beyond that, things that have been done for dozens of presidents before him. | |
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PGL7
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 6/28/2012 1:55:18 PM | Time to spike the football!
Obama won on this one... or did he?
This unusual decision, unusual decision because of Justice Roberts siding with the majority on surface is an OblameO victory as his signature piece of legislation and his defining moment.
However politically it gives the Right something to rally around with a clear line drawn in the sand.
On the Left OblameO loses his argument for running against the Supreme Court and loses a battleground rallying point to strengthen his base.
Only time time will tell. The race to November is much more interesting as a result. US politics is the Greatest Soap Opera on television.
It will be interesting to hear the Liberals reaction to the news that Justice Robert's voted in their favour.
Will their hate subside now that he has proven himself fair and balanced?
What a pipe dream!
So spike the football my Liberal friends but remember it's only the end of the first half.
The real winner here is Canada.
That's right my beloved Canada where businesses and manufacturers just became more competitive against their US competitors. Many American companies have pulled out of Canada due to high cost of labour. Well a big step to offset that cost just blessed Canada.
My American friends get ready for increased medical costs, long lineups and rationed health care.
You wanted it and you got it.
God Bless Canada! | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 6/28/2012 2:52:05 PM |
Imagine, now no insurance company will try to deny you coverage because of pre-existing conditions. Well, actually I've been buying insurance independently for well over a year and it has been costing me 1/3 of my income ... not counting my medications. I had a $5000. deductible and so I was pretty much still paying everything as well as the premiums. Since I've maintained my insurance all along, they would not have been able to deny me.
There were times when I needed new tires and did not have the money for it. Needed new tie rods and didn't have the money for it. Had to pay for a root canal ($1500.00) because the insurance only paid $30.00 on it. I'm still paying that off ... $25.00 at a time. Good that my dentist has known me for over 30 years and trusts me to pay him. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 2:59:08 PM | Some good news today...
House votes to hold attorney general in contempt
http://www.fox19.com/story/18908115/house-votes-to-hold-attorney-general-in-contempt | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 6/28/2012 4:24:42 PM |
House votes to hold attorney general in contempt
After a majior victory...some posters seem to be clinging to straws...good for them...it gets them thru the day. | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 6/28/2012 4:26:44 PM |
Some good news today...
It sure is great news for the GOP.
One more thing they can use to distract people from the fact they have done nothing to help the citizens of the USA with regards to jobs or the economy. | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 6/28/2012 6:03:01 PM |
One more thing they can use to distract people from the fact they have done nothing to help the citizens of the USA with regards to jobs or the economy. That's nothing new ... they've been up to that since the day President Obama took office.
They are not about to do anything to help the citizens ... they've got theirs and they just don't care about anyone else. | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 6/28/2012 6:08:16 PM |
They are not about to do anything to help the citizens ... they've got theirs and they just don't care about anyone else.
That is untrue.
They care deeply about those poor unloved billionaires. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 6:48:56 PM | "Some good new today...House votes to hold attorney general in contempt"
Now THAT'S as silly a statement as any I have read! Ican't believe the naivety of people with regard to the process.
An impeachment is the eqivelant of an indictment. Now they have to find someone at DOJ to try the case. Most there will refuse. So a Special prosecutor will have to be found, vetted and appointed. Then a trial date set. With the backlog in federal courts, it won't be heard for pretty close to a year, by the time all the evidence is gathered, depositions taken. The elction is in a little over 4 months.
The republicants know this, he11 even Issa said he has no evidence against the White House or anybody there.
This is just another time waster, something they will try and hang around Obama's neck, with innuendo. In the end, it will have the value of a bucket of spit. Then when and if the trial takes place, he will be found innocent.
The net gain, will be a waste of millions of dollars. The republicant congress will have wasted 4 more months of the peoples time and money spent on their salaries. BUT they will have gotten their headlines! hahahahahahaha!!! | |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 7:43:43 PM | Well, actually I've been buying insurance independently for well over a year and it has been costing me 1/3 of my income ... not counting my medications. I had a $5000. deductible and so I was pretty much still paying everything as well as the premiums. Since I've maintained my insurance all along, they would not have been able to deny me.
There were times when I needed new tires and did not have the money for it. Needed new tie rods and didn't have the money for it. Had to pay for a root canal ($1500.00) because the insurance only paid $30.00 on it. I'm still paying that off ... $25.00 at a time. Good that my dentist has known me for over 30 years and trusts me to pay him
Maybe I missed something but... is this expected to change? Dental isn't covered is it? Your deductible isn't going to change is it? Your monthly rate may go up if you are paying under what... $300 a month?
http://www.benefitmall.com/News-and-Events/Legislative-Updates/Health-Insurance-Reform-What-Does-It-Mean-for-Dental-and-Vision-Plans
Maybe you can figure out the yes/no well maybe but no and sometimes yes language.
If it doesn't turn into the magical land of plenty are you going to blame bush? | |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 7:55:27 PM |
Well, actually I've been buying insurance independently for well over a year and it has been costing me 1/3 of my income ... not counting my medications. I had a $5000. deductible and so I was pretty much still paying everything as well as the premiums. Maybe I missed something but... is this expected to change?
If we only have to pay according to what we earn, then since I don't earn like Romney ... I'll be one who gets full coverage without having to pay so much. That's really going to piss off the Republicans in here ... 
Dental isn't covered is it? Sure it is ... where does it say it's not covered?
Your deductible isn't going to change is it? It certainly will with the other insurance I'm getting.
Why don't you just read the law ... or do you get some sort of pleasure asking these questions?
There's a chart in the law that tells what a person will pay. Why don't you look it up? Not good at things like that?
Don't bother to answer my questions ... it's clear you're just repeating "parrot head-like" questions in order to try to make the PPACA look bad. Good luck with that ... it's not working.
If anything, it gives me a chance to showcase the PPACA which will prove that in fact,
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Posted: 6/28/2012 8:12:32 PM |
I know it's a longshot but Ron Paul is on the ballot in 50 states.
Hilarious!!! Ron Paul and his delegates will be railroaded by the establishment Republicans and Romney. Libertarians are only useful idiots to the conservative moneymen. | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 6/28/2012 8:36:27 PM | How do you liberals feel about obozo lying to the American people?
He said it was not a tax and that he would not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000.00 a year.
He can not now claim either is true.
Obozo care is the largest tax increase in American history!
Proof?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27384.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8erePM8V5U
http://washingtonexaminer.com/rep.-landry-largest-tax-increase-in-history/article/2500855
Obozo is now a irrefutable liar and fraud! | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 6/28/2012 8:42:53 PM |
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How do you liberals feel about obozo lying to the American people?
They love it. They want more. And they all fawn that at the end of his speech he said, "God Bless America".
Or is that Christian reference now ok?
Don't worry though... Soon it will be Bush's fault for it having problems in implementation and how corrupted the interpretations become.
Long live Kaiser | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 6/28/2012 8:53:36 PM | Obozo care is the largest tax increase in American history!
Ah more spin from the cable news shows, for people that are not smart enough to think for themselves.
Do you understand that the word "tax" from the bill came out of an interpretation of what would happen if you did not sign up for it and would be assessed a penalty.
Congratulations on confusing a penalty with a tax.
Justices Allow the Term ‘Tax’ to Embrace ‘Penalty’
By FLOYD NORRIS
Published: June 28, 2012
...But by calling the penalty for not buying health insurance a tax, the Supreme Court on Thursday effectively created a tax that people will pay only if they do not buy something.
That decision led some opponents of the health care law to proclaim that it was a large tax increase, something the sponsors of the bill had explicitly denied when the law was passed.
To some extent, calling it a tax does break new ground.
“Nobody here can think of an example where you pay a tax if you do not buy something,” said Howard Gleckman, a resident fellow at the Tax Policy Center in Washington. “But there are plenty of examples of where you get a tax break for doing something or buying something. In effect, your failure to buy something means you will pay more taxes.”
Health insurance, as it happens, has long been one such area. Suppose your employer pays you a $90,000 salary and spends $10,000 to buy health insurance for you. All $100,000 is considered a business expense and is therefore a tax deduction for the company, but you will pay income taxes only on the $90,000.
If the employer did not buy insurance, but instead paid you the full $100,000, the company’s tax bill would be unchanged. But you would pay taxes on the full $100,000, even if you used $10,000 of it to buy the health insurance the employer was no longer providing.
In his majority opinion, Chief Justice John Roberts noted that there was nothing new about Congress using taxes “to encourage buying something,” pointing to the tax breaks for those who buy their homes as an example. He quoted a 1937 Supreme Court decision stating that every tax “interposes an economic impediment to the activity taxed as compared with others not taxed...
Read more at: (unless of course your are afraid of the truth) http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/business/supreme-court-calls-insurance-penalty-a-tax.html | |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 9:25:54 PM | Congratulations on confusing a penalty with a tax.
From the link you provided it clearly calls it a tax.
To the chief justice, the choice of words could not obscure the reality. He noted that those who chose to pay the penalty rather than buy health insurance would be writing checks to the Internal Revenue Service and would not end up with a criminal record.
Chief Justice Roberts wrote that the amount of the penalty “is determined by such familiar factors as taxable income, number of dependents and joint filing status,” and that those who did not pay taxes because their income was too low would not have to pay any penalty at all.
At least someone has the courage to accept the label
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-tax-label-healthcare-reform-20120628,0,3558600.story
Tax label is a small price to pay for survival of healthcare reform
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“We do not consider whether the Act embodies sound policies. That judgment is entrusted to the Nation’s elected leaders,” Roberts wrote. “We ask only whether Congress has the power under the Constitution to enact the challenged provisions.”
Although he answered that question in the affirmative, Roberts agreed with the law's conservative critics -- and the court’s four other conservatives -- who said Congress does not have the power to require people to buy a product such as health insurance.
But, he said, the law does not truly impose such a mandate on Americans. It simply requires those who do not have health insurance to pay a tax penalty. That tax requirement, he said, passes constitutional muster.
"The federal government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance," he wrote. "The federal government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance."
Have courage there... maybe it won't implode if you call it what it is... a tax.
What concerns me is how obvious it is that those who think they know what this law is really are doing nothing more than guessing and hoping.
Long live Kaiser
http://businesspractices.kaiserpapers.org/nixononkaiser.html
Ehrlichman: —the less care they give them, the more money they make. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 9:35:51 PM |
Congratulations on confusing a penalty with a tax.
Don't read much do you?
Page 29, sentence one of the bill introduced by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont) says: “The consequence for not maintaining insurance would be an excise tax.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27384.html
You can try to spin this all you like, it is in the law it was a tax from the start.
Obozo is a liar and fraud, of course anyone with one eye and half sense knew that to begin with. | |
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PGL7
| | Joined: 8/7/2010
Msg: 449 | |
| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 6/28/2012 9:41:37 PM | Aristotle the spin is actually from you...
Roberts reasoned that even though Congress had shied away from calling the penalty for not buying insurance a "tax," it effectively is one.
Roberts stressed that the court was not endorsing the administration's approach. "Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass on its wisdom or fairness," he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-why-roberts-saved-obamas-healthcare-law-011413612.html
What led Roberts to cast his lot with the law’s supporters? The argument that the taxing power supported the individual mandate was a strong one. The mandate provides that those who can afford to buy healthcare insurance must do so, but the only consequence of not doing so is the payment of a tax penalty. The Constitution gives Congress broad power to raise taxes “for the general welfare,” which means Congress need not point to some other enumerated power to justify a tax. (By contrast, if Congress seeks to regulate conduct by imposing criminal or civil sanctions, it must point to one of the Constitution’s affirmative grants of power—such as the Commerce Clause, the immigration power, or the power to raise and regulate the military.)
The law’s challengers—and the Court’s dissenters—rejected the characterization of the law as a tax. They noted that it was labeled a “penalty,” not a tax; that it was designed to encourage people to buy health insurance, not to raise revenue; and that Obama himself had rejected claims that the law was a tax when it was being considered by Congress. But Roberts said the question is a functional one, not a matter of labels. Because the law in fact would raise revenue, imposed no sanction other than a tax and was calculated and collected by the IRS as part of the income tax, the Court treated it as a tax and upheld the law.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/168655/obamacare-upheld-how-and-why-did-justice-roberts-do-it#
So... if it looks like a tax, walks lie a tax and stinks like a tax... It's a Tax!
You left out half the ruling.
As a result now this is the OblameO Tax.
Lets see if he blames George Bush for this one.
"Obama is an Utter Failure"
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 6/28/2012 10:15:53 PM |
Aristotle the spin is actually from you...
Roberts reasoned that even though Congress had shied away from calling the penalty for not buying insurance a "tax," it effectively is one.
So you must agree that Roberts was right in upholding Obamacare as constitutional. | |
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