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Nothing in there related to the middle class or small business.
Just whom do you think these regulations are hurting? Small business and the middle class people that loose their jobs when the small business's employ.
From the article you quoted:
..But not all regulations can be blamed on the White House. Some are necessitated by ambiguous statutory language. Others are mandated by Congress. Many are promulgated by independent government agencies with very little or no congressional oversight...
The true cost of government regulations cannot be calculated. As the Heritage Foundation report says, “The agencies that perform the analyses have a natural incentive to minimize or obfuscate the costs of their own regulations.” The EPA especially is singled out for being notorious when it comes to understating regulation costs...
Do you even read these articles you quote?
You do realize that you are saying the cost is most likely higher than the article says.
As far as obozo not owning all theses regulations he put forth most of them and the ones he was not the daddy of he signed off on them. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2012 5:32:47 PM |
Just whom do you think these regulations are hurting?
They are hurting giant corporations from their ability to rape the environment for the sake of profits.
You do realize that you are saying the cost is most likely higher than the article says.
Do you realize I quoted from the article which states that the cost actually can not be calculated because at best they are just guessing.
As far as obozo not owning all theses regulations he put forth most of them and the ones he was not the daddy of he signed off on them.
It is clear you have no idea what you are talking about, and can not even get the presidents name right proving that you really have nothing to add to the discussion other than more derp.
So best of luck with that. | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 7/12/2012 5:48:06 PM |
Perhaps someone with more knowledge could do some research into the car repair industry. I have noticed in the last 10 years or so that more and more car repair shops have gone out of business, especially the small ones. Which is the same trend as most mom and pop shops and it is related to goverment legislation. Though if you fail to see that the legislation is a direct result of lobbing efforts of big business, then you have failed to understand the power of big business and how they use laws to give them competitive advantages in the marketplace an squeeze out the little guy.
Lobbing? Isn't that something to do with tennis?
The regulations Neopoli mentioned in an earlier post were put in place to protect the enviroment from paint booth by-products... the cost of these more expensive paint booths would be more easily carried by big businesses than small. The same can be said for virtually every safety regulation I have encountered in Alberta's oilfield industry... always easier for the big guys to bear the costs. Many of these safety and enviroment regulations are just feel-good cover-your-ass type of laws... not really protecting anything or anybody but it keeps the government paper-pushers happy... and that's all that really counts.
Are you accusing big business of lobbying government legislators to change laws to better protect the enviroment and workers safety? Or are there other laws that you can point out in the car repair industry that specifically target small business while giving the big guys a free pass?
Perhaps someone with more knowledge could do some research into the car repair industry. I have noticed in the last 10 years or so that more and more car repair shops have gone out of business, especially the small ones.
One thing that hurts the little guys nowadays is manufacturers' warranty. Dealerships are usually the only ones authorized to do this work. This is an example of something that was put in place to supposedly help consumers... but hurts small business.
Also, manufacturers participate in what I consider a facade where they continually make changes to their vehicles, often with the pretense of protecting passenger safety or the enviroment. These changes to their vehicle designs, while costly, are much more bearable in today's world due to robotics and computers.
For a small guy, trying to keep up with this new technology is very costly. New tools are often needed as well as costly training. The brake drums from a 1973 GMC pickup will bolt onto the '87 model. From 1962 to '95 the Ford small-block motor was largely unchanged. In today's automotive world last years parts generally don't fit... more expense for the guy trying to keep his shelves stocked. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2012 6:34:57 PM | "Are you accusing big business of lobbying government legislators to change laws"
Yes as a matter of fact most of us are! The top 20 industries, spent 23 BILLION DOLLARS on lobbying last year. Now ALL or MOST of that was spent on congress! So while all you say maybe true, it still is NOT Obama, who adds these gems to existing legislation that must be passed for the good of the country, as a rider.
Now as to my buddy, while post #609 maybe a great read, it STILL doesn't identify what caused the business to fail, since that poster NO LONGER owned it, and lives now in Louisiana not Illinois. So while the guy could have said anything to him, since he wasn't there, nor saw the books, nor spoke with the customers, he STILL doesn't know exactly what transpired. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2012 6:37:15 PM |
ALL or MOST of that was spent on congress
:) Hahaha Those same guys you want to run healthcare right. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2012 8:28:46 PM |
Yes as a matter of fact most of us are! The top 20 industries, spent 23 BILLION DOLLARS on lobbying last year. Now ALL or MOST of that was spent on congress! So while all you say maybe true, it still is NOT Obama, who adds these gems to existing legislation that must be passed for the good of the country, as a rider.
The question I asked was "Are you accusing big business of lobbying government legislators to change laws to better protect the enviroment and workers safety?"
This was addressed to a poster who continually accuses the GOP of passing laws that favour big businesses over small.... I'd like to see if he can come up with any examples. Big business doesn't need help from government to compete with the little guys... sometimes they need help to compete with the rest of the world though. Almost every regulation imposed by government to protect the enviroment or peoples' safety hurts small businesses more than big... now which party champions these type of ideas?
While the lobby industry in Washington is crooked as hell, it is necessary for industry to get their opinions heard by legislators. I have a very low opinion of politicians... bunch of know-nothing schmucks with little to no logic or real world experience. American industry feels it necessary to explain to your current crop of boneheads (we've got our own up here) that having the highest corporate tax rate in the world hurts the American economy... all the way from the top to the bottom. Some of your politicians know this to be true... problem is they are so firmly entrenched on the wrong side of the class warfare debate that they can't face their faithful follwers (say that ten times fast) and tell them the truth... that's crooked.
We have the same thing up here... the leader of the NDP (worker's party), who would normally love to raise taxes on those nasty corporations, was the first (and loudest) to call for the bailout of GM and Chrysler... can't afford to lose those Canadian jobs, eh? | |
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Posted: 7/12/2012 8:32:47 PM |
While the lobby industry in Washington is crooked as hell,
Is there anyone that disagrees with this? | |
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Posted: 7/13/2012 9:28:25 AM |
One thing that hurts the little guys nowadays is manufacturers' warranty. Dealerships are usually the only ones authorized to do this work. This is an example of something that was put in place to supposedly help consumers... but hurts small business.
Also, manufacturers participate in what I consider a facade where they continually make changes to their vehicles, often with the pretense of protecting passenger safety or the enviroment. These changes to their vehicle designs, while costly, are much more bearable in today's world due to robotics and computers.
For a small guy, trying to keep up with this new technology is very costly. New tools are often needed as well as costly training. The brake drums from a 1973 GMC pickup will bolt onto the '87 model. From 1962 to '95 the Ford small-block motor was largely unchanged. In today's automotive world last years parts generally don't fit... more expense for the guy trying to keep his shelves stocked
Although this doesn't apply much to the body shop repair business, IMO you are correct about the issue affecting the small car repair businesses. One of the biggest problems small shops have is the lack of access to the computer codes and their inability to perform repairs dependent upon the information that is denied to them by the manufacturers. Without the access to that information, the small businesses are only able to perform some of the most basic and less profitable repairs. They can't compete against the dealerships or the oil-change and brake service chains.
This has been happening for a long time now, and anyone suggesting that the president is responsible for the predicament of the small car repair businesses must be a totally uninformed clown, driven to post partisan garbage.
You should check the Right to Repair web site and see who the sponsors of that proposed law are.
http://www.righttorepair.org/main/default.aspx | |
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Posted: 7/13/2012 9:59:45 AM |
You should check the Right to Repair web site and see who the sponsors of that proposed law are.
Okay... did that. From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Vehicle_Owners'_Right_to_Repair_Act
The first Right to Repair bill was introduced in the United States Senate by Senator Paul Wellstone and in the House of Representatives by Joe Barton and Edolphus Towns in August 2001.
Paul Wellstone was a member of the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, Joe Barton, a Republican, and Edolphus Towns is a Democrat. So.... kinda of a bi-partisan effort, right?
Also, after reading about it, probably not going to make much of a difference in keeping small shops afloat; the companies who are pushing for it the hardest are not small businesses.
This was addressed to a poster who continually accuses the GOP of passing laws that favour big businesses over small.... I'd like to see if he can come up with any examples.
...and still nothing. Yet I expect that he'll continue to make this same accusation over and over again... possibly he even believes it. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2012 11:24:39 AM |
Are you accusing big business of lobbying government legislators to change laws to better protect the enviroment and workers safety?
NO I never stated that.
I am saying that big business lobbies government to get laws pass to favor them, if they also are good for the environment then it is merely a coincidence or an angle they are using to get the laws past.
Then they will use lobby monies to spread the word that the big bad government is hurting their business with legislation because they do not want a slice the of pie they want it all and they want government to protect them along the way.
Or are there other laws that you can point out in the car repair industry that specifically target small business while giving the big guys a free pass?
Once you understand how the Iron Triangle works it is pretty straightforward.
American industry feels it necessary to explain to your current crop of boneheads (we've got our own up here) that having the highest corporate tax rate in the world hurts the American economy... all the way from the top to the bottom....
The above statement is proof of the lobbing efforts of big business.
They actually have people convinced that the big guys pay the highest rates on taxes when that is a complete joke as all the big guys know how to work the system because for the most part they created it.
Where they send funds overseas in tax shelters and pay little to no tax, then they essentially blackmail the governments to let them bring the money back to the US for a discounted rate. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2012 12:57:55 PM |
I am saying that big business lobbies government to get laws pass to favor them, if they also are good for the environment then it is merely a coincidence or an angle they are using to get the laws past.
Then they will use lobby monies to spread the word that the big bad government is hurting their business with legislation because they do not want a slice the of pie they want it all and they want government to protect them along the way.
...and still no examples of laws that were pushed through by Republicans that help big business triumph over small.
^^^^Not saying that no such laws exist... just that you can also find laws (like the paint booth one) that are just as likely to be instigated by the Dems.
Once again, Big Business does not need help from the government to compete with small.
They actually have people convinced that the big guys pay the highest rates on taxes when that is a complete joke as all the big guys know how to work the system because for the most part they created it.
The US has the highest corporate tax rates... every thing else is just smoke and mirrors. In Canada (and I suspect every other country in the world), the big guys know how to work the system just as well.
And not just the big guys. I know farmers who have $15,000 snowmobiles and/or ATV's they use to go out to the mountains for fishing and exploring trips. They get to write off 30% depreciation of these items every year so they have a vehicle with which to search for missing livestock and mend fences. I know a guy who owns a solitary cow just for this purpose. I know another guy with a Bobcat business who was going to fire his accountant because he was never told he could write off toilet paper... not really a captain of industry.
Small guys write off (and don't pay GST on) every drop of gasoline they use throughout the year. Every time they take their family to a restaurant... same thing.
Don't misunderstand me... I have no fondness for big corporations... I recognize everyday ways in which they use deception to manipulate consumers... I guess I just don't find it as shocking as some. Also I've got nothing against the little guy, I am one. I just don't see how manufacturing resentment towards the big guys among voters does anything but hurt the economy. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2012 3:00:28 PM |
Once again, Big Business does not need help from the government to compete with small.
They certainly don't, but they take advantage of every opportunity they can to crush the little guy.
They help create laws and legislation that bog the little guy down in legal paper work that he does not have a chance to grow his business.
Small guys write off (and don't pay GST on) every drop of gasoline they use throughout the year. Every time they take their family to a restaurant... same thing...
I write off my GST / HST (depending on what province I am in) on gas as well, though I have to keep a log book and be able to show, if I am ever audited that the gas was for business use and not for pleasure.
Although that write off is not cash back as some may think, it is offset against taxable income.
...I just don't see how manufacturing resentment towards the big guys among voters does anything but hurt the economy.
I see it quite the opposite, as mega corporations are not as beneficial to local economies as they suck the money out of an area and less of it gets passed around, as in the past with more Mom and Pop shops, the money spend in those stores stayed in the local economy and helped keep things running. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2012 5:59:03 PM | I see it quite the opposite, as mega corporations are not as beneficial to local economies as they suck the money out of an area and less of it gets passed around, as in the past with more Mom and Pop shops, the money spend in those stores stayed in the local economy and helped keep things running
So you don't understand that volume leads to lower prices and the stores with the largest volume can have lower prices due to volume discounts from manufacturers and the only way for that to occur is by a company growing larger and larger and larger eventually becoming a form of monopoly and squishing the 'little guy'?
Isn't that the entire basis for obamas healthcare plan?
The retail corporations don't put the smaller guys out of business. The public getting better prices do. That is why its a wonderful thing to block Walmart from urban areas. Keeps those people from getting those lower prices. Genius.
You can't have it both ways. You can't have mom and pop shops and lower community prices. Mom and Pop shops can't survive on the thin margins that large entities can work through volume. How exactly do you solve that? Taxes and welfare? | |
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Posted: 7/14/2012 6:01:30 AM |
So you don't understand that volume leads to lower prices and the stores with the largest volume can have lower prices due to volume discounts from manufacturers and the only way for that to occur is by a company growing larger and larger and larger eventually becoming a form of monopoly and squishing the 'little guy'?
So you do not understand that lower prices or the guise of lower prices are not always the best thing.
Do you even understand how marketing arrangements work with large retailers and manufacturers and how they are used to squeeze the little guy out?
Do you know what happens to those "lowest" prices when the competition is all gone, if not, then chalk another thing on the "you do not understand" board.
The retail corporations don't put the smaller guys out of business. The public getting better prices do. That is why its a wonderful thing to block Walmart from urban areas. Keeps those people from getting those lower prices. Genius.
Yes it is genius, but you would have to understand how retail operates to understand that.
Thinking that is all about lower prices, proves that you have bought Walmarts message hook line and sinker. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2012 8:03:04 AM | Do you know what happens to those "lowest" prices when the competition is all gone, if not, then chalk another thing on the "you do not understand" board.
And you think I should trust health exchanges to not do the same thing?
yes it is genius, but you would have to understand how retail operates to understand that.
I guess not everybody thinks withholding food from the poor is good.
http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2012/01/walmart-answer-food-deserts
Walmart and other mega-retailers hold the key to bringing fresh, healthy food into low-income urban areas where grocery options are severely limited. | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 7/14/2012 8:45:11 PM | Thinking that is all about lower prices, proves that you have bought Walmarts message hook line and sinker.
Looks like someone else has discovered the fabulous deals to be had at Walmart's bait and tackle aisle. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2012 9:53:15 PM |
Looks like someone else has discovered the fabulous deals to be had at Walmart's bait and tackle aisle.
This would be a good time for a like button. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2012 11:59:14 PM |
They certainly don't, but they take advantage of every opportunity they can to crush the little guy.
I don't think they're trying to crush the little guy at all. At one time probably K-mart and Zellers and Sears. Before that it was Woolworths and the Met and the Bay. Back in the '70's we had a Robinson's and a Field's and probably a few other's I can't remember. All big box stores in their time. How far back would you wan't to rewind the clock? How many mom and pop businesses have computers and the internet killed?
They help create laws and legislation that bog the little guy down in legal paper work that he does not have a chance to grow his business.
Government is bureaucracy. It is beyond their ability to create worthwhile (or not) laws without mountains of paperwork. I don't think the little guy has ever been specifically targeted by liberal or conservative law makers... they've just been collateral damage.This is why I'm a smaller government and less regulations type of guy.
Be careful in your paranoia about how certain political movements are out to get you. There's a fellow over in Off-Topic starting threads every week about the latest whacko conspiracy theories. You don't want to go down that road.
I see it quite the opposite, as mega corporations are not as beneficial to local economies as they suck the money out of an area and less of it gets passed around, as in the past with more Mom and Pop shops, the money spend in those stores stayed in the local economy and helped keep things running.
I think you're probably right as far as retail goes... of course as I already mentioned big box chains have been around since the 30's or 40's(?). This isn't anything new. Myself, I'm kinda nostalgic for the small farms we had up here 30 yrs ago.
At any rate, retail is a small part of the picture (at least it should be; selling products to each other that are all made somewhere else is a deadend road). Manufacturing, logging, and oilfield create plenty of oppurtunities for small business. Good paying jobs for skilled workers too. Often with this type of industry the enviroment takes a hit though.
So I guess yeah... if we could turn the clock back to the fifties where TV's were rare, kids got one new toy twice a year, the average family had one car, and women stayed home and made babies and supper... we'd all be better off. | |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 3:06:54 PM | Check it out-
"Obama is a Scumbag Dictator" Contest
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCDCF54B1414FFDC2&feature=plcp | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 7/20/2012 10:05:00 AM |
Check it out-
"Obama is a Scumbag Dictator" Contest
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCDCF54B1414FFDC2&feature=plcp
Those guys are MORONS .... must of FAILED world history
Hitler was a RIGHT WING Dictator
Obama is a NOT a Dictator,
Infowars.com is web site of Alex Jones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host)
Mainstream sources have described Jones as a conservative and as a right-wing conspiracy theorist. Jones sees himself as a libertarian, and rejects being described as a right-winger. He has called himself a paleoconservative and an "aggressive constitutionalist" Jones has been the center of many controversies, and has accused the US government of being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing and September 11 attacks. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 11:12:12 AM | ^^^^Although I haven't always agreed 100% with Alex Jones, he makes you think and provides some useful, and truthful information. Apparently you can't handle the truth!
I love the contest and Obummer does act like a dictator! Hitler's dead, let's deal with the current problem. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2012 1:22:19 PM | LMAO ...
... Jones has been the center of many controversies, and has accused the US government of being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing and September 11 attacks. That's funny ... especially when you think about how all those people who follow Jones are also Islamophobes. So how can the US government be in involved in the September 11 attacks as well as those horrible Muslims? They need to make up their minds. If the US government was involved in the September 11 attacks, why are the Jones followers so dead set on destroying the Muslims? | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 7/20/2012 2:03:50 PM |
Although I haven't always agreed 100% with Alex Jones, he makes you think and provides some useful, and truthful information...
If by truthful you mean racist windbag garbage you are spot on.
...Apparently you can't handle the truth!
Coming from an Alex Jones worshiper that is some funny stuff. | |
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 7/20/2012 2:04:35 PM | | Our perfect government couldn't possibly be involved in anything wayward,lol. I think you're a little confused regarding the Muslims too, you have it backwards! | |
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