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So, I don't think that others here are 'unamerican' I think they just really believe America is a corrupt and evil place and they want to make it better. Just took the message delivered by leftism over the past 40 years and since no other views have been seriously presented to people that is pretty much the opinion of a lot of people and the message the world has about us.
Congratulations on your wide sweeping generalization based on nothign but opinion, and I might add, all done with out a chalkboard.
I really do wish that Hilary would have won. I don't think we would be anywhere near as bad off as the path we are on right now. I don't think anyone was able to predict the path Obama has taken the country.
That statement may have some weight if it could actually be back up with facts, but then one would have to admit that is Obama is bad them Bush clearly the most anti america president in the history of the US.
As I am sure they would go on about the debt but fail to understand that Obama has increased it at the same rate as Bush.
They would also have to look at net jobs gained and lost while comparing private sector and public sector only to learn that under Bush the country lost as many private sector jobs, but Bush grew the size of government and Obama actually has reduced it.
Etc.....
But we both now that is not going to happen, so you better go buy guns because I heard Obama is going to take them away from you. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2012 2:24:59 PM | "Thanks for confirming the message"
That's so pitiful...are you really still using those 3rd grade "rubber and glue" insults? Gawd at least I can compose a funny ditty in a couple of minutes...
"America is a thief, a liar, a trader to humanity"
Sometimes they are...but then again, I guess you can't tell right from wrong. Look at history...our biggest disaster was the civil war, fought because one side wanted slavery, a despicable practice. Or how about Somalia? 5 million died there in the fighting over 8 years or so. Did we send our army in to stop the massacre? But Saddam invades Kuwait, and the Saudi King has fear and within 2 weeks we are landing troops to defend him, take back Kuwait and dismantle Saddam's military.
America has also gone and saved Europe twice in world wars...a great thing. We have moved humanity forward in the arts of science, medicine, and industrialization. During the time we did that, there were checks and balances accepted that gave workers rights, extended the lifespan of not only the wealthy but the average joe as well.
"That is your view and the view of all leftists"
You wouldn't know my view if it bit you on the azz! That's because there is no longer a fair play in any form on the right. Now it's all about how to make businesses more money, and eliminate the rights of workers. You guys think only the guys at the top are important(a greedy way of looking at things). It's like the comment of Obama's about someone starting a business not doing it alone.
You like that sound bite, because you believe it supports your beliefs. It doesn't matter whether he meant, government provided infrastructure, or that workers helped make the company and it's products better. Or that he didn't do it all himself. Perfect example...Vickrim Pandit, now remembers Citibank changing the way they did business, so saved the company...not that government forced the changes upon them.(greedy egocentric..see)
"It's funny that you can't hide it"
It's sad that you on the right, have to act like petulant children and not adults. That republicant/conservatives hide behind Grovers skirts, rather than sit down and rationally work on issues. That more important is McConnell's pledge to make Obama a one term president, rather than do the peoples work.
Stop wrapping yourself in the flag, as though we were perfect...we make mistakes, just as other countries have. The problem is the greed of a few, being more important than the pain of the many. No amount of perfume will ever take the stink off of the way congress has acted the last 2 years. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2012 2:28:15 PM | where did I say that 'debt' = anti-american.
You switched to debt. Jobs, government size. All democrat things that is what everyone is projecting as the issue. But it isn't the issue. If Hillary were president these would likely be the issues. We are familiar with them.
What we are not familiar with is apologizing for being American and holding heads down in shame because of it. Reducing our authority in the world stage. Lowering the standards for 'an acceptable life' for all Americans. That is not typical democrat thinking. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2012 2:31:28 PM |
What we are not familiar with is apologizing for being American and holding heads down in shame because of it. Reducing our authority in the world stage. Lowering the standards for 'an acceptable life' for all Americans. That is not typical democrat thinking.
You are just repeating talking points and not quoting facts. | |
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PGL7
| | Joined: 8/7/2010
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| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 8/27/2012 6:14:24 PM | Gee where are the facts in the above post?
The facts are that as close as this race was it is even closer today.
The announcement of Ryan for VP has boosted the Republican cause.
The swing states are moving towards Romney so things are not looking good for Obama and his Chicago reelection syndicate.
That a sitting president running against a week campaigner should be in a race this close is proof positive of what a lousy campaign Obama is running. His race baiting and class baiting is backfiring and proof that he has no cards left to play.
Never before in the history of the US(land of opportunity) has success been so vilified.
"The Economy, Stupid!" | |
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Posted: 8/27/2012 8:20:14 PM | You are just repeating talking points and not quoting facts.
Sorry Europe... we are bad children that should lookup to you. We are arrogant and dismissive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLZer0P9l1M
Sorry Iran, we should talk more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2FWNCVU5bA&feature=related
Sorry Al Quada, we were careless
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2LxWkjGuI8&feature=related
The fundamental truth of the united states has been lost... so he leads a failed nation?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SikIvaBSu8Q&feature=related
You can't see any of this because you agree with it. To you it is just someone speaking 'the truth'. This is the reality of the left. America is a failed country. You can't even see it because it is the only truth you know.
Nowhere in your thinking is it ever going to register that the leader of the United States shouldn't dislike the country. You do so you only hear what he says as being honest. That message is now making its way across the democratic party. It's just reality. Accept it. The Nation is failed. That is the message of 40 years of leftism and the world is eager to agree. It's a lie. The bigger point is... Being a liberal democrat doesn't explain this behavior. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2012 8:50:10 PM | "that the leader of the United States shouldn't dislike the country"
Well despite the double negative...I am going to assume you mean the nonsense about Obama hating the USA!
See, that's the problem with conservatives on the whole. They are doing one of 2 things, lying through their teeth, or saying one thing and doing another. What Obama is CLEARLY saying is he is not happy with the direction of the country. The very same thing republicants/conservatives are saying now.
You want to lay the direction at the feet of leftists, BUT if their programs and legislation is not passed, then how is that a leftist direction? The republicants passed the TARP bill(Bush and Paulson's idea) with no strings attached, no bankers have been prosecuted.
Romneyhood would return us to those failed policies, that shrub began...he has hired most of his financial advisors, and has SAID he would return us to those very policies that failed...so who's direction is right?
I believe whether you like Obama, or not..he is far and away the lesser of 2 evils....or to think on this in another way...it would be like the captain of the Titanic saying, "yeah I know we hit an iceberg and are sinking..but let's start the engines and hit the iceberg AGAIN!" | |
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Posted: 8/27/2012 9:16:50 PM | ^^^^ I wish you wouldn't support my arguments so much...
You couldn't even aknowldge the number of broadcast videos just randomly pulled from youtube and even have a bit of a, "I could see how some people could hear that." Not even a hint of aknowledgment that there is another side to the story.
Just typical run to the simplistiec shallow end of the pool about bush and bankers.
You don't agree with the message either so you 'project' your association that he was talking about direction of the country... He's the f*n leader... When he speaks to the world HE IS THE DIRECTION. You are projecting your normal liberal touchy feeling I'm caring your not that we have been doing for decades.
This isn't the Titanic. The only sinking is being done from the head. But you don't see it... Because you agree. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 5:10:48 AM | Sorry Europe... we are bad children that should lookup to you. We are arrogant and dismissive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLZer0P9l1M
So are you saying that what Obama spoke of, never happened?
Why do you think apologizing for what some people have done is a bad thing?
Should and American president go to Europe and say you know what we are the best and F you if you do not like it?
Maybe you are not aware of this, but the world view of the US after Bush was not the best, as the whole invading Iraq and killing millions of innocent people was not really seen as things that nice decent people do.
So remember kids when Bush did it, it was ok but when Obama does it, it will be the end of America as we know it.
Fox Attacks On Obama Ignore Bush Apology For Quran Desecration
Fox News figures are lambasting President Obama as "weak" for apologizing to Afghans after U.S. military personnel burned copies of the Quran. This criticism is bizarre, as Obama's reaction to the incident is fully consistent with U.S. precedent: in 2008, President Bush similarly apologized to Iraq's prime minister following the desecration of a Quran by American military personnel.
Link to Video: http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/02/27/fox-attacks-on-obama-ignore-bush-apology-for-qu/185977 | |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 7:34:04 AM | ^^^^ YOU SAID IT DIDN"T HAPPEN AND THAT I WAS REPEATING TALKING POINTS!!!!!!!!!!
Can you ever acknowledge anything or must you always portray it as something BUSH DID!!!!!
Can't you see your own behavior? :) | |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 7:52:49 AM |
^^^^ YOU SAID IT DIDN"T HAPPEN AND THAT I WAS REPEATING TALKING POINTS!!!!!!!!!!
Easy on your keyboard there, no need to go all caps on us.
I never said it did not happen, that is you making stuff up to suit your point, how very Fox news of you, maybe you should submit this thread and they will give you a gold star for making stuff up.
This is what I said: "You are just repeating talking points and not quoting facts."
Which is what you did, as what you stated was opinion of what Obama said, not facts. Unless you can somehow show that what he said has caused: A Reducing of the US's authority on the world stage and has lowering the standards for 'an acceptable life' for all Americans., if not then you would be 100% wrong.
Can you ever acknowledge anything or must you always portray it as something BUSH DID!!!!!
Can you at least address the fact that what you are spewing is just rhetoric from the right, which I proved by showing that when someone else does it, they do not say a word, thus proving it is less about what the person did and more about their hate for him.
Can't you see your own behavior? :)
Yes, me pointing out your failures to understand the difference between a talking point and a factual statement. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 8:03:10 AM | I'm sorry,
All you have done is prove what I said... You do not hear the apology, you hear, "The truth" You agree with the idea that America is arrogant and their should be redress for past sins. You agree that American should be taken down a notch but you don't have to say it because America is no longer a great place.
Your reality is not the same as mine. You are your beliefs. You just don't realize that your belief is a religion without a god. You do not and can not see that what you believe was taught to you your entire life. You reject any opinion that does not fit this world view of your religion.
Do you think the UN is the future? | |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 8:28:37 AM |
All you have done is prove what I said...
No I proved that you lie about what others say to try to prove your point, and when you get called you will not even admit it.
You agree with the idea that America is arrogant and their should be redress for past sins. You agree that American should be taken down a notch but you don't have to say it because America is no longer a great place
No, I agree with most sane people who now that no country is 100% perfect and everyone should at times show humility and remorse for things that have happened.
It is be beyond stupid to get up on a world stage and spew arrogance and hate with reference to other nations and their people and if Obama did that I am sure Fox news would try to find an angle to see how that is wrong by doing the same thing you are doing and that is attempting to draw from erroneous conclusion from it based on what they think he meant.
I never said that American should be taken down a notch, but again do not let what I have actually said and what you think I mean get in your way of twisting people's words.
It is very clear you can not understand the difference between what someone says and what they think. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 8:36:10 AM |
It is very clear you can not understand the difference between what someone says and what they think.
:) Thanks again. I say what I think. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 10:10:27 AM | "The republicants passed the TARP bill(Bush and Paulson's idea)"
"The incredibly shrinking bill for TARP .
The stagnant economy is expected to slow down the pace of TARP repayments—which have totaled $278 billion so far—but the Congressional Budget Office ultimately expects the cost of TARP to taxpayers to be $34 billion. "
excerpted from http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-incredibly-shrinking-bill-for-tarp/2012/01/26/gIQAMkh8SQ_blog.html | |
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PGL7
| | Joined: 8/7/2010
Msg: 716 | |
| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 8/28/2012 11:15:50 AM | Obama "utter failure" fact...
Remember this Oblamo speech....
“The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents -- number 43 added $4 trillion dollars by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back -- $30,000 for every man, woman and child,” Obama said on July 3, 2008, at a campaign event in Fargo, N.D.
“That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic,” said candidate Obama.
http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/08/24/flashback-obama-says-adding-4-trillion-national-debt-unpatrioti
If what Bush (4 trillion in 8 years) did was unpatriotic then what do you call what Obama (5 Trillion in 3.5 years) has done... criminal! | |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 11:32:21 AM | [quotee]It is be beyond stupid to get up on a world stage and spew arrogance and hate with reference to other nations and their people and if Obama did that I am sure Fox news would try to find an angle to see how that is wrong by doing the same thing you are doing and that is attempting to draw from erroneous conclusion from it based on what they think he meant.
Stupid, hateful, arrogant, Fox news = Speech that doesn't portray the US as negative. Nice logic. Try it with your kids. If Daddy doesn't apologize for working hard, providing a home, and caring for his family he is stupid, hateful, arrogant and probably watches fox news.
Why did you jump first to hate speech on the world stage if there wasn't an act of contrition for past sins? | |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 1:30:44 PM | "The incredibly shrnking bill for TARP"
So let me get this straight, I don't want to misunderstand the misunderstood...
When Obama, spent the other $350 billion tarp dollars to shore up the banks and companies...he was indicted by conservatives, for wasteful spending...now you guys are alright with that because ultimately it will cost only $34 billion. BUT Obama was bad for using the money, and Bush was good for making it possible...yeah I get it now!
Still I fault Obama for no prosecutions of bankers who brought us to the brink...the problem I also have is with Paulson who tied no strings to the money, resulting in the largest bonuses in banking history in 2010...I would never have expected the DOJ under shrub to begin anything against his buddies... | |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 1:53:30 PM | real arguments about real things are much better.
Bush was nuts on spending. He lowered taxes and massively increased spending. Obama is still spending it and wanting to raise taxes. It's all at crazy insane levels and is impossible to sustain and probably can't grow noticeably because the amount is just so damn high. Any low % of growth that occurs now is just because it takes an insane amount to even get to .05%.
And Obama, if he really gave a crap about the bank involvement in any collapse, would have more to say then tax those that stole. If they stole it then it was illegal. If it was legal the law could be changed. I see nothing about splitting up banks and investment houses. He said he was going to do it back in 2010... Or did I miss the memo that it already occurred?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/business/economy/22policy.html
In calling for new limits on the size of big banks and their ability to make risky bets, Mr. Obama was throwing a public punch at Wall Street for the third time in a week, underscoring the imperative for him and his party to strike a more populist tone, especially after the Republican victory Tuesday in the Massachusetts Senate race. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 2:08:01 PM | And you would believe if McCain or Romney were in office after the banking meltdown, they WOULD HAVE prosecuted the bankers?
"If it was legal the law could be changed"
That's what Dodd Frank was supposed to be about...and all the conservatives say is repeal it! Like that will make bankers stay honest...or not bilk retail customers out of huge fees, just to have a checking account, to cover losses from the mortgage fiasco.
"Obama is still spending it and wanting to raise taxes"
And Romney wants a massive tax cut! Will that right the ship? Will that reduce the deficit? Economics 101, no one builds a business or expands one and hires people to break even or lose money! Without more demand, there will be no growth or jobs created.
"I see nothing about splitting up banks and investment houses"
Oh yeah right!!!! If Obama said that, he would be branded a communist, much less a socialist..I don't see that being advocated by the right either...they advocate a return to the Bush policies that got us here in the first place.
How about Congress, stop playing games to affect the election outcome and do the peoples work, and negoiate to reduce the spending? Last year they had an agreement with boner to reduce spending by $4 trillion. But the teabaggers thought they were in the drivers seat so they nixed the deal, causing a downgrade in our rating.
BUT since that time, they have not once engaged in discussions to reduce spending, so they wouldn't hand Obama a victory in an election year.
How about that memo? | |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 2:14:09 PM |
Bush was nuts on spending. He lowered taxes and massively increased spending. Obama is still spending it and wanting to raise taxes...
Yeah what a crazy idea, putting tax levels back to where their where before the sh*t hit the fan.
Sure it has only impacted the government by 3 trillion or so, really just a drop in the bucket and clearing asking people to pay what they paid before the government ran out of money would just be a mean thing to do.
...It's all at crazy insane levels and is impossible to sustain and probably can't grow noticeably because the amount is just so damn high.
Are you saying the rent is too dam high?
FYI: There has been over 12.7 trillion added to the US debt in the last 10 years, to get an idea whose watch was responsible please see this chart: http://propresobama.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/debt_bush_vs_obama.png
Any low % of growth that occurs now is just because it takes an insane amount to even get to .05%.
So what does that have to do with the debt?
If it takes X to grow the economy, that is not going to change because of the country's debt level?
Unless you can show me how those two are connected in such a way I will have to assume you have no idea what you are talking about. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 3:18:13 PM |
FYI: There has been over 12.7 trillion added to the US debt in the last 10 years, to get an idea whose watch was responsible please see this chart: http://propresobama.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/debt_bush_vs_obama.png
FYI- You are incorrect. I will stop short of saying that you're lying, as I'm sure you're just uneducated.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/dueling-debt-deceptions/ | |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 3:39:25 PM | FYI- You are incorrect. I will stop short of saying that you're lying, as I'm sure you're just uneducated. That good because you have have failed to understand the difference in saying who it went up under and whose polices are responsible for the change and how much.
Bush punched a hole in the swimming pool and people are blaming Obama for the level in the pool going down because he is now the lifegaurd.
FYI: From your link
Increases in Total Federal Debt %'s
Regean: 190%
GHW Bush: 52%
Clinton: 37%
GW Bush: 86%
Obama: 45%
See a trend there? | |
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Posted: 8/28/2012 6:27:03 PM | Ha!
I knew you were going to go there! too funny.
you "forgot" to include this little tidbit from Fact CHeck regarding those rates.......
Similarly, had we based our chart on the rate of rise, it would show the debt rising much faster under Obama than it did under Bush
Quit trying to skew facts and have a little integrity. You might be the most intellectually dishonest person on POF. | |
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PGL7
| | Joined: 8/7/2010
Msg: 725 | |
| Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 8/28/2012 7:11:09 PM | You gotta love the stats manipulation.
This site has it Bush 8.3 % per annum and Obama 12.2.
Reagan came in at 14.2 per annum but then again he did bankrupt the USSR so it was worth the end of the cold war.
http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm
Obama's last 2 years have shown smaller increases but that is because the Repubs took over the house.
But get ready for a huge increase as OblamoCare comes into effect and don't forget Barry is talking stimulus again.
Obama is done.
The country isn't working because he didn't work!
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