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Uh what??? You do realize, that the market closed today at the highest level since 08?
So that statement I quoted is a LIE!!!
Frankly, I don't care how many forums you post on, the only thing we want is accuracy and truth. Your opinion, no matter how valuable you think it is, does NOT constitute truth.
You can believe or think whatever you want, you can post links to other things you have posted, that does not, will not, make them facts. | |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 7:56:01 PM | Source MSN money:
Date January 20th, 2009 Dow Jones Industrial average closed at 7949.09
Date February 17th 2012 Dow Jones Industrial average closed at 12, 949.87
Now according to the statement I quoted from you, the Presidents record from first day in office to today (or to date, according to your post) represents a positive change of 5000.78 points.
So now in essence,you can see why I say, with sources, you are an unmitigated liar!
Anything else? | |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 8:08:07 PM |
You attack my claim, one in which I provided a source, a source such as yahoo, yet claim said source is bull$hit, yet you provide no source and expect us all just to believe your opinion?
From your source:
Feb 17, 2012 Close 12,949.87
Jan 20, 2009 Close 7,949.09
Please tell me what part I am not seeing here? | |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 8:53:42 PM | In related news: While republicans debate about the best way to use a vagina, Obama is rolling toward a blowout win with over 300 electoral votes.
Obama poised to win 2012 election with 303 electoral votes:
The Signal Forecast
By David Rothschild & Chris Wilson | The Signal – Thu, Feb 16, 2012
With fewer than nine months to go before Election Day, The Signal predicts that Barack Obama will win the presidential contest with 303 electoral votes to the Republican nominee's 235.
How do we know? We don't, of course. Campaigns and candidates evolve, and elections are dynamic events with more variables than can reasonably be distilled in an equation. But the data--based on a prediction engine created by Yahoo! scientists--suggest a second term is likely for the current president. This model does not use polls or prediction markets to directly gauge what voters are thinking. Instead, it forecasts the results of the Electoral College based on past elections, economic indicators, measures of state ideology, presidential approval ratings, incumbency, and a few other politically agnostic factors...
Read more at:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/signal/obama-poised-win-2012-election-303-electoral-votes-202543583.html | |
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Posted: 2/18/2012 9:43:02 AM |
You know, after a decade of blogging, one would think that I would have grown leather thick skin, but I just cant seem to..
Humiliating and hurtful attacks such as these cant be dismissed just because its not done face to face.
I doubt anyone would say such vicious things to another human whom they've never met..but hate does that..
There was nothing personal in what I wrote, and I don't hate anyone.
Everything I wrote in my post is based on the experiences I have had in the discussions in the POF forums. I won't bore anyone listing all the details because I'm sure that the readers here are familiar with the facts. In my view, you need to re-gain some credibility by engaging in serious discussion in your posts. It entails recognizing when someone gives you correct information, or present reasonable argument to sustain your position.
For example, you are attacking president Obama's performance using the Dow numbers from the November 2008 election day:
Obama has lorded over the worst stock market performance in the history of America for a new president. Its an unprecedented 28% drop from Obama’s election to today.
The problem with that assertion is that you are trying to fudge the figures in order to assign blame to president Obama for the failures of the previous president. Bush was in charge while his friends were trying to cause as much damage as possible to the economy before president Obama would take office in January 2009.
To make things clearer for you: if you would like to give responsibility to president Obama for the November 2008 drop in the market on election day and the days after the election, then you would have to give credit to president Obama for restoring the market using the lowest figures reached in the days after the election and before January 20, 2009. Would that be fair enough for you? | |
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Posted: 2/18/2012 10:01:03 AM | DA, your whinging gets real old real fast.
You're wrong. Not once in a while, but constantly. You consistantly post crap thats poorly sourced, pulled from the most ridiculous of sites, which you tout as the be all end all of facts, only to be shown how incredibly wrong you are, which you return with a, "Whoops, my bad," or my favorite, "I was misled."
And when people call you on your rampart horse crap, you whinge about being "attacked".
Now, others my choose to be more circumspect in their criticism of you, but me, I favor the direct approach. I have a low tolerance for bullsh!t. If the mods don't like what I have to say, tough. Someone needs to call out your nonsense.
Accept it, you're our own little version of Orly Taitz, and not in a good way. I don't know what your personal issues are, and I don't care. You seem to have a boatload of them though. Maybe you should spend some time dealing with them instead of cruising the net and ranting about how Obama is a worse tyrant since Hitler.
Cuz you ain't got a frikkin clue.
The sad thing is, you'd probabaly be an interesting conversationalist, if you manage to drag your head out of the ether for a while. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 1:34:55 PM |
Even more insidious, the event was awarded NO DOMESTIC MEDIA COVERAGE.
...and why should the media give a racism nut job media whore* the time of day?
Adam Kokesh
...Kokesh, along with six other students, created controversy by putting up satirical political posters across the university campus. The posters featured a picture of a stereotypical Arab man and the headline "Hate Muslims? So do we!!!," with illustrative captions explaining that the typical Muslim is equipped with a venom-spouting mouth, laser-shooting eyes, and hidden AK-47:s, among other parodical features. The poster was signed "Students for Conservativo-Fascism Awareness," and encouraged students to visit the right-wing website terrorismawareness.org. Kokesh and the six other students publicly admitted to responsibility amidst accusations that the poster was Islamophobic, maintaining that their intent was to spread awareness of what they considered to be the overtly racist intentions of the above-mentioned website's "Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week" organized by a conservative student organization and featuring David Horowitz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh | |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 2:48:38 PM | "if we are denied the peaceful change we demand, I promise you this: we're going to be doing this the hard way."
Now color me crazy, but that sounds a bit treasonous! I would take that as a threat against the president. Now if he is really in the armed forces, didn't he take an oath to protect and defend the constitution and the country? So he advocates a violent change of "his" demands are not met?
Gawd, I wonder where they grow people like this.
If Obama won the election clearly, then he is the legit president of the USA. If whoever the republican nominee is, and if Ron Paul runs as an independent, whoever wins the majority of the votes, is the president. No one, I mean NO ONE, has the right to seek change via violence. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 3:17:11 PM | You know who else was a corporal?
Sorry, but I just had to Goodwin this thread. You've got one loony corporal and somebody here says that we're in danger of having a military coup if the nearly-as-loony Ron Paul isn't elected President. You've got a big military down there - odds are that a few of them are going wear tin foil hats under their helmets. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 3:49:40 PM | I think that Ron Paul should be questioned by the serious media about his ties to this loony toon and his comrades. There should be no place for politicians who aspire to lead this country to be fomenting sedition and acts of violence against elected government officials.
Any soldier who would even for a second entertain the idea that his/her vote should carry more weight than the vote of any other citizen is a traitor to this country. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 4:25:28 PM | Kokesh sounds like a prime candidate for section 8. Plus some posters are delusional- your country was on the verge of collapse when Obama came into office. He has done an ok job, given what he had to work with.
The only thing more pathetic than Ron Paul are his supporters. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 4:43:38 PM | Please, please, climb down from your emotional soap box! Your giving me a headache.
No one is attacking the military, they are merely pointing out, what he said was seditious. As for Ron Paul, well that's a whole nother kettle of fish. Let's look at the facts. His views on the gay issue, the racial rants in his news letter, whether he likes it or not, was published under his name and his banner. His view of how much he would shrink the government, so they would be in one building only in washington! hahaha!
He will NEVER attract the numbers to win, just based on that. His views are far too extreme to win the middle.
BUT let's suspend reality for a moment. If by some strange quirk of fate, he was elected president, and some random military guy(a corporal? really? 500 marching at his side?? really?) said the same thing that if they didn't get their way and they would "take the hard way", which implies by force, would you be OK with them tearing down the democracy?
You never addressed my post about yours, only the other one from another poster.
It has little to do with journalism, your point I mean. If anything the journalists have been way to kind to Ron Paul. That racial drivel posted in his news letter has never been explained, tried to be excused by a series of "the dog ate my homework" excuses, but never explained how a man would let that be published under his name.
Start buying bottled water, that stuff down there warps peoples minds, like I said in another post. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 4:51:42 PM | Corporal Adam Charles Kokesh, who courageously served his country in THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORP for 8 years, was awarded the Combat Action Ribbon as well as the Navy Commendation Medal .
When Kokesh was in the military Bush was in office, not Obama.
So why is is beef not with Bush?
He sounds like the kind of guy that would blame the fire department for not putting out the fire fast enough and not the guy that started it.
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Posted: 2/24/2012 5:45:16 PM | YOO HOO!!!! Sorry I don't bold my statements, perhaps that is why you keep missing them! I'm sure we could go onto name all the heros of our distinguished military. That still fails to address, how either a corporal in the military under Bush finds fault with the current president, or why this, Ron Paul, Corporal K., or the war which just ended by act of president shrub, under Obama, makes him a failure?
If the press, or mainstream media as all the right wing wackos care to refer to them, are not reporting on this story, it STILL has nothing to do with Obama, he does not control the media.
Now you can go onto to quote all the presidents, the war heros and the generals, admirals and whoever you wish. Rhetoric is always entertaining. It still has zippity-do-dah to do with Obama! | |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 6:22:44 PM | | Ron Paul is not even a blip on the radar, that is why he gets little 'face time'. The claim that the majority of the armed forces support RP is completely unfounded. This is based on what? You tube videos and Facebook? Critical thought is a good thing. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2012 12:07:06 AM | (Yawn!!) I take issue with your numbers. Then again, I take issue with most published numbers!
To use an old saying, and equate Ron Paul's chances, "he couldn't get laid in a whorehouse with a fist full of fifties!"
Polls are designed for a'holes! There isn't a poll, that can't be fixed, simply by posing the question, in a certain way.
Simply put, the republican party, the only true alternative to the democrats, keeps alienating voters, hispanics on the immigration issue, people of color on the poor issue, labor on the auto bailout issue, women on the contraceptive issue and a host of others.
Worse than that by far, is the fact that the republicans themselves, are not happy with the current crop of candidates. Mitt the front runner, has yet to achieve 50% in any state. So they can look forward to a "who cares" turn out on election day! Admittedly republicans turn out better than democrats, but in this year, with the issues in such stark differences, republicans will lose turnout, democrats if only because the republicans hold such extreme views, will turn out to keep them out of th White House!
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Posted: 2/25/2012 5:51:45 AM | Where do I start?
1) the media pretends Paul doesnt exist. How in the sam hell are they going to now question his sanity?
Ah, an old page from the "How to get attention" the Fox way.
Step 1: Start Lie
Step 2: Repeat Lie
Step 3: Complain that others are not covering the lie.
Step 4: Complain that when they do cover the lie that they are lying about your lie.
2) Guilty by association...ahh..opposition love to swing that snit, but this time the manure wont stick.
Paul has jack to do with this uprising. In fact, he's ordered his supporters to stand down.
But whatever. Believe what CNN tells you. *shrugs shoulders*
If he has nothing to do with the the uprising, why would he order people to stand down, as it would stand to reason if he has nothing to do with them, then he can not control them or even would have a dialogue with them. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2012 1:12:29 PM |
Simply put, the republican party, the only true alternative to the democrats, keeps alienating voters, hispanics on the immigration issue, people of color on the poor issue, labor on the auto bailout issue, women on the contraceptive issue and a host of others.
Both parties are alienating their base , but Democrats have lost more of their own by a 2:1 margin these past years compared tp Republicans. Democrats still outnumber Republicans by a more than 3:2 margin, but Republicans have still won elections regularly, & people still vote for them despite this lopsided Democratic advantage, because the Democratic Party equally alienates a totally different bloc of voters on a whole different set of issues than the ones which are dear to YOUR heart.
Voters leaving Republican, Democratic parties in droves
By Richard Wolf, USA TODAY Updated 12/22/2011 8:40 PM
WASHINGTON – More than 2.5 million voters have left the Democratic and Republican parties since the 2008 elections, while the number of independent voters continues to grow.
A USA TODAY analysis of state voter registration statistics shows registered Democrats declined in 25 of the 28 states that register voters by party. Republicans dipped in 21 states, while independents increased in 18 states.
The trend is acute in states that are key to next year's presidential race. In the eight swing states that register voters by party, Democrats' registration is down by 800,000 and Republicans' by 350,000. Independents have gained 325,000.
The pattern continues a decades-long trend that has seen a diminution in the power of political parties, giving rise to independents as Ross Perot and Ralph Nader and the popularity this year of libertarian Republican Ron Paul.
"The strident voices of both the left and the right have sort of soured people from saying willingly that they belong to one party or the other," says Doug Lewis, who represents state elections officials. "If both sides call each other scurrilous dogs, then the public believes that both sides are probably scurrilous dogs."
Registered Democrats still dominate the political playing field with more than 42 million voters, compared to 30 million Republicans and 24 million independents. But Democrats have lost the most — 1.7 million, or 3.9%, from 2008.
Democratic registration has fared worse than Republicans in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina and Pennsylvania — the eight swing states with party registration. Republican losses are biggest in Nevada, New Hampshire and Pennsylvania
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2011-12-22/voters-political-parties/52171688/1
Mitt the front runner, has yet to achieve 50% in any state.
....which is quite normal for any contest with 3 or more contestants.
Same thing happened to John Kerry in 2004, when he had to compete against Wesley Clark, John Edwards, & Howard Dean. It was the same dog-and-pony show with a new frontrunner every few weeks. Kerry was hard pressed to get more than 40-50% with that crowded field.
Once the dust settled & others dropped out, the frontrunner emerged & absorbed the majority of support from the others. No different than today's GOP field of candidates. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2012 1:49:48 PM | While I don't disagree with what you said, certainly the midterm elections showed that.
I can say, with some certainty that the bloody primary show the republicants are putting on, are losing them voters by the bucket full daily!
As much as anything, stop and reflect on this past 2 weeks on womens rights versus religious standards. After seeing the sh1t show in Virginia, the hearings on the hill, dominated by men, the caustic comments from the candidates themselves. Do you really believe most women will support any part of it?
Even catholics, use contraception, at least those who are honest will admit that. Further who wants to live in a semi-theocracy?
The debates and primary process< dominated by the right, has pushed the candidates so far from the mainstream, that they will not be able to recover the middle ground. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2012 2:30:09 PM | ...which is equally on par with the Democrat's debates and primary process dominated & run by the New England/California liberal left.
Howard Dean & John Edwards were chastized & cast as "Rockefeller Republicans" by their own, because they were not 100% dyed-in-the-wool limousine liberals. They were somewhat generally overall moderate, fairly socially liberal, & somewhat fiscally conservative, like an old school Rockefeller.
They were smeared to hell in a handbasket by the fringe liberal wing because they were not what they wanted to represent them - Kerry was the perfect example of their dream candidate. Perfect example of what you said above: "....pushed the candidates so far from the mainstream, that they will not be able to recover the middle ground.". I see it plain as day.
Do you not wonder why, or better yet, how, Kerry ended up with the nomination AND still ended up losing to Bush(with that 3:2 Democratic voter edge)??
Admittedly republicans turn out better than democrats, but in this year, with the issues in such stark differences, republicans will lose turnout, democrats if only because the republicans hold such extreme views, will turn out to keep them out of th White House!
With the independents growing exponentially at the expense of both the Democrats & GOP, it seems they hold the key to which party prevails. I agree, whoever clamours for the extreme position of their party will suffer the backlash, because neither party seems to have enough clout to hold their own without the determining factor of a growing moderate independent movement changing their game plan!
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Posted: 2/26/2012 12:40:06 PM |
There should be no place for politicians who aspire to lead this country to be fomenting sedition and acts of violence against elected government officials.
This by far, is the single most shocking statement Ive read in weeks. Have you any education in US History whatsoever? Lincoln: 'This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." Thomas Jefferson "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty . . . And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
Interesting to see that you using the names of revered US historical figures to foment sedition involving whacko politicians and undisciplined former soldiers.
Just a couple of points:
This by far, is the single most shocking statement Ive read in weeks.
Why is it so shocking? Do you believe in the concept of the Permanent Revolution? Are you ascribing that idea to Lincoln and Jefferson? Are you sure that you understand the historical context of when and why they said what quoted in your post? Now, be careful because we have seen you fall apart when your knowledge has been questioned.
Have you any education in US History whatsoever?
Probably not as much as you, since I wasn't born or educated here. I spent almost 40 years working since I came to this country and didn't have much time to spend learning about some of these issues. However, I know when I can smell the foul odors of manure being mixed with the facts of history. Without knowing enough to definitely state that you are writing falsehoods, I just ask questions just to make sure that you know for certain the facts that you write about.
The first one about Lincoln is easy:
'This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."
Did you miss the sentence "Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it?"
It seems to me that Lincoln, by listing it first, said clearly that the people have a constitutional right to change the government. That right is clearly spelled in the Constitution.
The second point about the Jefferson Quote about rebellion:
What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.
Is clear to me that Jefferson said that violent rebellion against an oppressive government is a price that the people will pay for their liberty. However, I am not sure if Jefferson said that after the United States had adopted the Constitution, or before. Do you know for sure when he said that? If he said that after the adoption of the Constitution, then I would agree with you that Jefferson would be in support of the seditious activities of any disgruntled politician or traitorous soldiers.
If not, meaning that Jefferson said that before the Constitution was adopted, then you should refrain from using Jefferson's name to support the seditious activities of those traitors who think that they have a higher right than the people of the United States to determine the course that the government must follow.
What do you have to say? | |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 11:17:15 PM | Paul forced to lead? WTF? What exactly is he leading?
Voting no all the time isn't leadership. The man ISN'T a Libertarian, he isn't presidential material (None of the members of "GOP Idol" are), and he needs to go back to printing his racist rag. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 11:23:21 PM |
February 20, 2012
By Corporal Adam Charles Kokesh
United States Marine Corps
Years of service- 1999–2007 Battles/wars Iraq War
February 20, 2012
Dear President Obama,
I am writing to you as just one veteran, just one man, but today, you may see that I am joined by many more. We gather today before you in support of Ron Paul and not because we think he would merely be a better administrator of government than you, but because we believe your policies to be fundamentally immoral. We are demanding peaceful, orderly change through the ballot box.
We are gathered here today as active duty service members and veterans exercising the right to self-expression that we all have risked our lives to protect. Something you’ve never done in uniform. The military you command has made attempts to silence us, not just in the existing codes and regulations intended to suppress the dissent in the ranks, but also in direct warnings that your officers have issued to the troops who would be with us today – who would speak out against the status quo – who would challenge the man – who would speak a desperately needed truth, to a desperately delusional power!
Do not think for one second that you can silence this voice! Do not dare whisper the command to silence this voice! Do not deny that Ron Paul is the choice of the troops! You are not wanted as, you are not respected as, and you are not fit to be, the commander-in-chief of this great force of America’s finest who would lay down their lives to defend you.
As you have warned us about petty regulations, I too have a warning for you, Mr. President. We can do this the easy way, or the hard way. If elections in this country are halfway fair or transparent, and the GOP supports the troops enough to listen to them, Ron Paul will be the nominee of the Republican Party and you will be a one term President!
But if they’re not. If the voice of the people is not heard and the voice of the troops is not respected, we’ll be back. These veterans aren’t going away. And if you should decide against what I have no doubt is your better judgement, that you can allow just one of these people here today to suffer for exercising the rights that you swore to defend when you took office, if we are denied the peaceful change we demand, I promise you this: we’re going to be doing this the hard way.
Yours in liberty,
Adam Kokesh
http://www.adamvstheman.com/
*emphasis mine-bold italics
For those of you who have yet to be convinced that I'm a spammer/hacker/virus mastermind/villain- please fell free to view the footage of the march in which members of our military, some of which were in uniform, in formation turned their collective backs to both Obama and the White House, after a united march.
http://youtu.be/zJVBxzuKimw
These active duty troops and veterans held a second of silence/prayer for each solider that either took his own life under the command of Obama or lost their life in a war he swore to end over a year ago. Needless to say, it was not a brief ceremony.
Even more insidious, the event was awarded NO DOMESTIC MEDIA COVERAGE.
Yeah, this guy is an idiot. Evidently, the Marines are harder up for qualified grunts than we thought. Evidently, too stupid to realize that his little ranting diatribe will land his ass in Leavenworth for a long stay. Threatening your CiC is considered VERY bad form. Even if he's out of uniform these days, he can still be prosecuted.
What he is suggesting is seditious and treasonous, and he needs to be slapped down, hard. He's a freakin corporal. He ain't leading anybody to anything.
And yeah, the media doesn't usually cover people who are ranting bat$hit loons. Even on slow media days. | |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 8:06:35 AM | "I can do this for days"
Please don't, as I said earlier, your rants give me a headache, not only is the bolding annoying as sh1t, but the distorted facts, outright lies and such, only lead most of us to conclude your a little off.
"Obama has robbed us of habeas corpus"
Don't you mean shrub and darth vader, or as most know them Bush and Chenny? They were responsible for the Patriot Act after 9/11, Obama wasn't President then.
Oh and save the pandering reply, that it renewed under Obama, he may have signed it, BUT the republicant led congress passed it.
Onto other things, by all means your corporal is entitled as a citizen to have his say. Yes he may have 500 followers, he11 lets give him 1,000! Last I looked, the military had millions of people in them.
He took an oath to defend the constitution, not tear it down, because the people of our country want something he doesn't agree with.
Since last night was Oscar night, I would suggest a film for you, starring Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas, Seven Days in May. While old and out of date somewhat, it clearly demonstrates, the military does not make policy, it is there to enforce the policy made by our ELECTED lawmakers.
Now step away from the computer and like I said stop drinking the water in texas. | |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 1:29:07 PM |
Did you miss the only alternative he gave when said action was not available?
Who says that the right to amend the Constitution is not available now? I know that it isn't easy to achieve an amendment, it is a lot of work. Maybe that's the reason the whackos are talking about violence and revolution, they are just lazy as.es that would like to spout sh.t and try to scare the gullible.
or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it.
The people have that right when the government ceases to be the government of the people, by the people , and for the people. However, this is not the time. The people still have the constitutional right to vote for their representatives in Congress and for the President and Vice-President.
Those who are sowing the winds of violence and destruction shall reap the storm coming back their way.
Grasping straws.
But I'll be a doll and provide you with as many other similar instructions by other US Founding Fathers, as if it were necessary
Not grasping at anything. I didn't ask you about other US Founding Fathers. You were using a quote from Jefferson, so I ask you a question about the date and context of that quotation. I guess that you don't know that information and are too lazy to inform yourself, or don't want to embarrass yourself by having to recognize that once again you are wrongly manipulating historical facts just to spaout manure against President Obama.
I can do this for days, but is it really necessary?
No, it isn't. What is necessary is for you to become a bit less disingenuous in your posts.
Just answer the question about the date and context of the Jefferson quotation that you posted and check if he said that before of after the adoption of the US Constitution! | |
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