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The law that makes it an offence to intentionally, or through unreasonable conduct, cause harrassment, alarm or distress.
I saw no evidence of that in the video.
Some people like POF meets, others think its not for them. Fair enough to hold opinions either way. But it would be wrong for someone who doesn't like POF meets, to go down to a POF meet and impose his opinions upon everyone and ruin their night. If that persons behaviour is so unreasonable, so as to cause distress they would be committing a Public Order Offence.
Did any of those on the tram press charges against her?
I thought the Normans along with their Frankish and Fleming allies had done a reasonable job in bringing stability to an otherwise fractious Britton.
The conduct of the English following the invasion suggests otherwise.
So she knows nothing about them, other than their appearance.
And, as it turned out, she was completely wrong, the woman was British.
Says who?
It is impossible to forget one's nationality, yet the black woman failed to correct Emma AND referred to herself as being an immigrant.
Maybe because you wrote it...?
Hardly.....I've always been opposed to deportations/repatriations in cases other than those relating to criminals.
You, however, are in favour of deportations:
I'd much rather they .........deported obnoxious tw@ts like her.
It's not a question of "agreeing", it's a fact. He is English.
Or are you claiming that a "black person" can't be English..?
It depends upon the definition of the observer, I suppose.
Here's what wiki says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people
"The English (from Old English: Englisc) are a nation and ethnic group native to England..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
"An ethnic group (or ethnicity) is a group of people whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage, often consisting of a common language, a common culture (often including a shared religion) and/or an ideology that stresses common ancestry or endogamy.[1][2][3] Another definition is "...a highly biologically self-perpetuating group sharing an interest in a homeland connected with a specific geographical area, a common language and traditions, including food preferences, and a common religious faith".[4]
Members of an ethnic group are conscious of belonging to an ethnic group; moreover ethnic identity is further marked by the recognition from others of a group's distinctiveness."
You correctly spotted that Ian Wright is black. I cannot find any links that show that black people are ethnically attached to England, so, according to wiki (and probably millions of English people, including Emma West) Ian Wright isn't 'English'.
I can only hope that one day, her son gives her lovely brown grandchildren..
Why use a term that you're unable to define?
Oh, and I'm still waiting for your explanation of the 'tribal gene'.
I suspect that it's an acknowledgement of the fact that humans are divided (by whatever methods) into different races arising from the interbreeding among those from specific areas of the globe. This has led to certain visibly different traits among us, such as skin-tones and facial features as well as genetic connections. This enables scientists to state that certain English people have 'African' blood in them. You made a big song and dance about this, remember, whilst denying that different races exist. It was quite amusing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Bushell
“In November 2006, Bushell appeared on the Channel 4 programme 100% English and offered a sample of his DNA for testing. The results suggested that he was 8% Sub-Saharan African, most likely the result of a single ancestor within the previous five generations.”
This suggests that races can be genetically determined.
There is no suggestion that the Channel 4 producers were arrested and charged for racial content after Bushell’s ethnicity was shown to him, yet Emma West did exactly the same (in a less scientific manner) and faces an uncertain future.
emma should have been treated the same way the somalian girls were treated
I disagree.
Those women were clearly guilty of assault, and were convicted of that offence. I've seen the tram video, and apart from the swearing, Emma West did nothing wrong.
As for those of you claiming that this is some "thin end of the wedge", "sinister" conspiracy to silence dissent, you might have a point, if it weren't for the fact that we have a right-wing tory Govt., who basically agree with this stupid woman.
In what way do they agree with her?
I suspect very few Tory MPs know anyone on that tram.
And it's true, a great many people DO believe that all of this countries problems, are because of the increase in diversity of our population, and their inherited appearances.
I'm not aware of anyone who blames the clogging up of the transport/education/housing/etc system on the ethnicity of the population, as that cannot POSSIBLY affect anything.
I think you'll find that it's the sheer mass of people in the country (the greatest cause of which is immigration) which is making the place a less pleasant place to live.
The truth is, that the foreigners who've "taken your jobs" all live overseas...
No, they don't.....they live in this country. Britain's jobs are in Britain, and the figures show that large numbers of non-Brits are doing those jobs.
Remember what our worst-ever PM said about 'British jobs for British workers'? Even someone as thick as him could spot the problem that HE helped to create.
If you're gonna get angry, at least get angry at the right people...
Emma did, as far as she was concerned. | |
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Posted: 12/13/2011 8:41:13 AM |
We're in agreement about this obnoxious chav then, she is now a criminal
Is she? I didn't think the trial had been held yet.
Perhaps she should learn keep her disgusting mouth shut, unless someone asks her for her opinion.
The glaziers in your area must be coining it in!
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Posted: 12/13/2011 11:06:26 AM | great news.i just hope the police track down the death threat twitters and bring them to justice,and i hope emma gets what she deserves for the crime she commited.a £50 fine and 20 hours community service.seems about right to me. | |
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Posted: 12/13/2011 12:18:48 PM | Funny enough, I just spoke to my dad earlier and he told me that today some white man on the train told him to f*ck off back where he came from, and that my dad should get out of 'his' country (because my dad told him he wasn't allowed to smoke on the train).
And the 'racist public transport' drama continues...  | |
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qsound
| | Joined: 12/29/2010
Msg: 251 | |
| Arrested for racially aggravated public order offence?
Posted: 12/13/2011 2:16:31 PM |
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Oh dear another one who does not live in the real world,
lets hope you are never accused of getting involved in an argument in public with someone
otherwise you too may find yourself on remand.
Don't be so melodramatic.
The law that makes it an offence to intentionally, or through unreasonable conduct, cause harrassment, alarm or
distress.
[qoute][I]I saw no evidence of that in the video.[/I]
I had a hunch you wouldn't.
What would you say would make it an offence?
She was hardly debating the issue or just merely offering her opinion. The CPS obviously thought it did amount to the offence, now its up to the jury to decide whether or not she is guilty of the offence.
Did any of those on the tram press charges against her?
We will find out through the course of the trial when the prosecution make their case. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2011 4:29:25 AM |
I had a hunch you wouldn't.
No need to have a hunch about it......my posts have been clear on my views on this incident.
What would you say would make it an offence?
Anything that caused harrassment, alarm or distress, obviously.....did you have a hunch that I might say that?
She was hardly debating the issue or just merely offering her opinion.
There was nothing to debate. She correctly noted that several people weren't English, and that her country had been ruined by the influx of foreigners. Do you really think those people on the tram would have been able to change that opinion in the limited time they had? | |
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Posted: 12/18/2011 4:56:41 AM | Its all a load of bollocks really. If people want a country with freedom of speech its no good jumping up and down like an on-heat kangaroo when whats said by others doesnt agree with your own ideals. The woman arrested has obviously had a bad time around other races or been brought up that way but racism is not a one sided subject these days. There was a racist attack on a white female by 4 females in the same week as this incident but it didnt get the same coverage because its not seen as 'politically correct' to broadcast that side of the coin. As tolerant as most people are we arent all the same and in a multicultural society you are always going to get these extreme incidents . . . That doesnt mean everyone has to jump on the 'ive been hard done by' or 'I dont agree with' bandwagons. As long as youre happy and living your life your own way to your own ideals who cares ? . . . No one truly wants hassle in their lives whether its racist or discriminate in any other way. Its just the media's way of keeping public opinion divided . . . Put a smile on it and pour the beer  | |
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qsound
| | Joined: 12/29/2010
Msg: 254 | |
| Arrested for racially aggravated public order offence?
Posted: 12/19/2011 5:30:03 PM |
Anything that caused harrassment, alarm or distress, obviously
and obviously foul and abusive behaviour will cause distress, so the prosecution is justified.
She correctly noted that several people weren't English
there is nothing correct about abusive behaviour nor is there anything correct about Emma telling an English woman to f' off just because she happens to be black. | |
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Posted: 12/20/2011 2:47:36 AM |
and obviously foul and abusive behaviour will cause distress, so the prosecution is justified.
Again, I didn't see any.
Her language was abusive, but she made no threatening gestures or comments.
Like I said in my first post:
"Well, if you're white and English, you can be arrested for merely sneering at foreigners, especially if they are of a different race."
there is nothing correct about abusive behaviour nor is there anything correct about Emma telling an English woman to f' off just because she happens to be black.
But she didn't tell her to "fcuk off" merely for being black......she told her to "fcuk off" back to her own country because she was was foreign.
Have you watched the video, btw? | |
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Sunay
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Msg: 256 | |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 12:31:55 PM | Hmm...
Well for the ones who went offensive on my post...here's an eye-opener for u..
Of course, you wouldn't want to accept this lying down either...
On your thread we did exactly what this woman did , We spoke the truth
Except we didnt use the bad language .... | |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 12:35:41 PM |
Well for the ones who went offensive on my post...here's an eye-opener for u
well.you do seem to be all out to cause shit for some reason.? what exactly is your problem here.? are you bored or do you just like to stir up a hornets nest for fun.? | |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 12:41:24 PM |
Hmm...
Well for the ones who went offensive on my post...here's an eye-opener for u..
Of course, you wouldn't want to accept this lying down either...
I didn't see anyone being offensive on your thread full stop. If you start a thread one of the issues is that people will not necessarily agree with you, it is the chance you take. | |
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qsound
| | Joined: 12/29/2010
Msg: 260 | |
| Arrested for racially aggravated public order offence?
Posted: 12/22/2011 4:00:02 AM |
"Well, if you're white and English, you can be arrested for merely sneering at foreigners, especially if they are of a different race."
what she was doing was well beyond sneering and into abusive behaviour.
she told her to "fcuk off" back to her own country because she was was foreign.
You shouldn't really be effing and blinding in public at all. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2011 4:14:28 AM |
what she was doing was well beyond sneering and into abusive behaviour.
The 'sneering' aspect was discussed earlier in the thread with someone who didn't know what the term meant.
In MSG 25, I wrote:
"Don't forget, I know what the word 'sneer' means (which is why I used it).
It means "a contemptuous or mocking smile, remark, or tone"
The woman's remarks and tone were clearly contemptuous of immigrants."
and I had to explain it further in MSG 76.
Telling someone that they're not English isn't 'abuse', especially if it's accurate.
You shouldn't really be effing and blinding in public at all.
I agree. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2011 12:10:21 PM | If Terry gets a worse punishment than Suarez did - and I think an 8 match ban just for being abusive to another player, is beyond ridiculous - then something is very wrong.
I understand the point of the "Kick out Racism" campaign, but I don't think it should be dealing with one player mouthing off at another in the heat of the moment - and I do actually believe Terry's claim that he didn't even say it, how many people believe he did
I wonder how many times Paul Scholes got called a Ginger B@stard, or Peter Beardsley was accused of being raped with the ugly stick, or Gary Neville got called a weasel faced, cvnt that should have been flushed down the toilet instead of being birthed, etc - footballers abusing each other is just part of the game
In any case, even if he does get fined for it, JT's career will be far from finished - it's not like this it's the worst thing he's ever done - it'll just be even more tarnished. I'm sure most Chelsea and a lot of (but definitely not all) England fans won't think any less of him.
like Cashley says, a footballer should be judged for their football and not what they get up to, off the pitch .... it pains me to agree with Mr N95
At worst he might have the England captaincy taken from him (again) He'll definitely remain Chelsea's captain though. | |
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Sunay
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Posted: 1/1/2012 10:30:20 AM | Where did i say ALL i said SOME maybe she doesnt speak for you , but maybe she speaks for alot of others who think just like her ...And yes i agree with her that britain is nothing now and yes partly to do with the overload of immigrants but mostly to do with other stuff ..Some of them come into our country and demand we have things banned and sometimes our nanny state laws allows it , remember when some wanted chritsmas trees banning and christmas music in shops Thank goodness they did not get what they wanted but i bet its only a matter of time before they do ,, This is britain we have our own ways of doing things why should laws be changed for the immigrants
Hear hear! I am not a racist, but when immigrants come here, slag MY country off by saying how crap it is here and how the English are all racist pigs, then try to get our traditions/ways/laws changed, THAT is when I kick off!
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Posted: 1/1/2012 10:32:59 AM |
Hear hear! I am not a racist, but when immigrants come here, slag MY country off by saying how crap it is here and how the English are all racist pigs, then try to get our traditions/ways/laws changed, THAT is when I kick off!
How many people have done that to you directly? Or are you referring to articles in the media? | |
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Posted: 1/3/2012 5:08:28 AM | They need to make their mind up what they are charging her with ,all of a sudden they are now charging her with 2 racially aggravated public order offences ,,,I guess they are trying their hardest to make this charge stick ...There was no footage of emma hiting anyone in that video ....Shes not even allowed to discuss what happened but yet John terry was allowed to tell his side .
Emma West appeared at Croydon Magistrates' Court in south London charged with two racially aggravated public order offences, one with intent to cause fear or provocation of violence.
She was charged with intent to cause fear or provocation of violence after a passenger, Ena-May Eubanks, said she hit her left shoulder with a "closed fist
Magistrate Ian Hornby granted bail on the condition that West does not travel on a tram within Croydon and Sutton, lives and sleeps at her home address and does not comment on the case. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2012 5:52:18 AM | Magistrate Ian Hornby granted bail on the condition that West does not travel on a tram within Croydon and Sutton, lives and sleeps at her home address and does not comment on the case
well that answers alot about the media blackout on the case.she has been told to keep her gob shut or she will be locked up and the key thrown away id say.? i think now the powers to be will want this case over and done with without too much fuss and media attention.so when it finaly comes to court and if she is found guilty.then i think she will now get a fine and some sort of probation or community work.? i doubt now they will want the outrage from people by sending her to prison.i hope so anyway.? | |
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Posted: 1/3/2012 6:11:36 AM | Some of them come into our country and demand we have things banned and sometimes our nanny state laws allows it , remember when some wanted chritsmas trees banning and christmas music in shops Thank goodness they did not get what they wanted but i bet its only a matter of time before they do ,, This is britain we have our own ways of doing things why should laws be changed for the immigrants
Hear hear! I am not a racist, but when immigrants come here, slag MY country off by saying how crap it is here and how the English are all racist pigs, then try to get our traditions/ways/laws changed, THAT is when I kick off!
No they don't, not really..... It's not the immigrants who demand all this stuff, it's the native British dogooders who're obsessed with being "politically correct".
You've only got to take time to speak to these people to realise they think it's just as ridiculous as the rest of us.
Who was it that wanted Christmas to be called "festive season", "holiday season" or "Winterval"?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/210672.stm
The devout Muslim chap working at my local petrol station, he wished me a merry Christmas when I topped up the car on the 21st! | |
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Posted: 1/3/2012 7:30:51 AM |
No they don't, not really..... It's not the immigrants who demand all this stuff, it's the native British dogooders who're obsessed with being "politically correct".
What next knock all our churches down as not to offend muslim extremists and just have mosques , scrap our laws and bring in sharia law as not to offend the muslim extremists ...Wished the law would deport these muslim extremists and get rid of them once and for all , but we all know they wont for fear of being racist , and that is why eventually the uk will be taken over by the so called muslim extremists .... | |
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