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 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 26
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What does it mean? Yule.

Another holiday that was stolen by people who then go on to complain that theres a war against the holiday they stole.
 darknight48
Joined: 1/22/2011
Msg: 27
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Posted: 12/7/2011 9:29:23 AM
i agree the true meaning is lost its all commersalised,was jc born at xmas/does it say in bible?.im not religeous(its mans church)/but am spiritual.theres lot sadness at xmas so its kind of inforced happiness for some .with the economy going to get lot worse next year there is a theme of screw you jack im ok
 Hawaiianluau
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 28
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Posted: 12/7/2011 1:06:36 PM
This is what it's all about -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJAxRVeKnTE

*suggestion - have some eggnog before watching*

[cheer] pure [/joy]





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dteBUV_coN8


 AddHomonym
Joined: 12/26/2011
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Posted: 1/5/2012 2:29:10 AM
I'm a pagan at heart. Modern religions never interested me but the old gods have never failed to fascinate. When I hear people talk about the "true" meaning of Christmas, I snicker. History shows us that the entire event was stolen from other popular religions. A brief look at anything written by Joseph Campbell should make this blatantly clear to any person.

Christmas is a collection of all the religions around at the time. In fact, almost all of the holiest days in our calendar came about in the same manner. It's just human politics at work.

For me, Christmas is about family, it's about love, generosity, kindness and for one day in the year everyone behaves like good Christians are supposed to. It's a wonderful time of year that brings people together. Loved ones traverse the globe to be near their loved ones, communities proudly display lights and decorations while people walk about with smiles on their faces.

It's the feast of the winter solstice. The harvest is in and the long, dark winter is looming...so we take the opportunity to celebrate and enjoy the bounty that our hard work all year long has brought us. We give of ourselves and our resources and maybe even welcome strangers like they were family.

So many cultures celebrate something at this time of year that it really doesn't matter who or what you worship, the entire world seems to be relaxing and enjoying life for a short time.

I wish we could have days like that more often.
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 30
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Posted: 1/5/2012 8:42:03 AM
It's about time we all admitted that Christmas has lost all religious meaning, due to crass commercialism and learning the actual history, and going forward with it just being a really good excuse to get family together from all over and spoil each other shamelessly. That ain't a bad thing in and of itself, imho.

Just go back to calling it Yule or Festivus, and let everyone regardless of faith get in on the fun.

Like Halloween, which many of we Wiccans have given up as a wasted effort to be pendantic about it. We have our Samhain celebrations in private, and Halloween in public, and hell, who DOESN'T like playing dress up and getting scared once a year?
 _shakti_
Joined: 7/5/2011
Msg: 31
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Posted: 1/5/2012 9:06:47 AM
I suppose I should share my thoughts on this now..

Some people hold onto the traditions they've always had, regardless of any changes to the meaning of christmas in mainstream society.. and that can be a beautiful thing. Some seek instead to make new traditions, which is the camp I fall into.

It bothered me a great deal to lie to my kids when they were little about Santa and all of that, to fall in line with what mainstream society said christmas is.. but I felt if I didn't, that my kids would be ridiculed or feel strange. So I fell in line like a good girl (blech). But my kids are older now and I don't have to anymore.

To me it is all symbolic... the winter solstice and the return of the light.. the sun/son 'reborn'.. does it matter which myth (or any) is superimposed onto this?

To be honest, I don't really like christmas, and I don't like people acting like I should have some type of 'spirit' that I just don't feel. What spirit.. greed? I spent years faking it for my kids, I don't want to anymore. It's even worse now with people fighting over which phrase to use.. like, seriously?!

I would really like to get my family together next year and volunteer at a soup kitchen or something, I would like it to be about giving on a larger scale than of getting. I guess I am searching for a new tradition that will make some form of sense to me. Because to be honest, getting together with family, opening a plethora of gifts and stuffing our faces just isn't cutting it for me.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my family.. but I just feel it should be about a bit more than that.

It's interesting too.. for thanksgiving, me and my daughters went for sushi, and some people were all shocked by it. Some even said 'you can't do that', lol..

It's stuff like that that just blows my mind.
 Molly Maude
Joined: 9/11/2008
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Posted: 1/5/2012 11:15:01 AM
I agree with so many comments by so many posters ... Double Cabin and Earth Puppy commenting about how some folks are trying to ruin the holiday for anyone not THEM ... I agree ... I think it's pathetic that some people who profess to be so heaven-bound have still never learned to share with the rest of the inhabitants of the world ... I don't mind at all when strangers wish me a "happy holidays" ... I appreciate hearing that ... I've seen too many people cringe at hearing "merry Christmas!"

I used to have a friend who would, at this point, whine, "Why can't we all just get along!?" (she was very annoying!)

I agree with Daynadaze, too, who loves to buy presents ... I, too, would love to buy presents for EVERYONE! if Dayna and I won lotteries, there'd be a lot of gift-giving to family and even strangers! CapnRHHNY and Once Burned who love to visit friends, relax and enjoy life ... that sounds wonderful ...

the comment I most resonate with is Blade Smith's ... Christmas, to me as well, is an excuse to get family together and spoil each other shamelessly! YESSS ... love doing that ... most of my family takes every possible opportunity to be together, hugging on each other!

some family members come to my house Christmas eve, I make a huge pot of chowder with cornbread, they sleep over so their kiddles can get a jump on their cousins when they all run into the living room to see the presents Christmas morning ...

Christmas morning, more family come over and I make an enormous breakfast ... we eat, kiddles open presents and the grown-ups have a fun white elephant exchange ... then, as a group, we go to another family's house for a late Christmas dinner ...

it's sort of a let down, emotionally, when we all go their separate ways ... but I'm left with a kind of happy glow, remembering all the kind words spoken to each other! I love Christmas ... now if we could only just all get along!!!

 keyman11
Joined: 8/31/2006
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Posted: 1/6/2012 11:56:27 AM
If Christmas is really about the birth of Jesus, so on this day people should simply give money to the red cross or non lucrative organisations helping the needy. And then a very simple dinner with close family....all the hoopla going on with the best gift competitions and the drunk in-laws is a big jab at the seriousness of this holiday. that's my opinion.
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
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Posted: 1/6/2012 4:16:32 PM

What does it mean to you?


For me, it is a time to do nice things for the people I care about. I really enjoy the music and most especially the Christmas lights and decorations. Driving around at night and looking at brilliant displays brings me a child-like pleasure. Pure joy. I love having a live decorated tree in my home. The pine smell is wonderful.
 Jennywillwin
Joined: 12/27/2011
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Posted: 1/7/2012 7:24:05 PM
Christmas means exactly as it was intended to me which is celebrating the birth of our Savior, Jesus Christ.

It's the only time of year when I want it to be cold and to see snow. I love to see all kind of Christmas decorations. I want my my mom's cookies that she used to make.I want to make Christmas special for my daughter. Since she's an adult now I don't get much of an opportunity to do it anymore. Some years it is about giving to a stranger.

I still have my tree up, some Christians keep it up till Jan.7 or later. It's so beauiful I hate to take it down.

Someone may find the following interesting. I just learned that The Twelve Days Of Christmas doesn't start till Christmas day !

Question: When Should You Take Down Your Christmas Tree?

One of saddest sights of Christmas is to see Christmas trees out at the curb on December 26. When should you take down your Christmas tree?

Answer: Traditionally, Catholics did not take down their Christmas trees1 and other Christmas decorations until January 7, the day after Epiphany2. The Twelve Days of Christmas3 begin on Christmas Day4; the period before that is Advent5, the time of preparation for Christmas. The twelve days of Christmas end on Epiphany, the day that the Three Wise Men came to pay homage to the Child Jesus.
Because so many people, especially in the United States, treat the Advent season as the "Christmas season,"6 however, the actual Christmas season7 gets lost. By the time Christmas Day comes, people are ready to pack up the decorations, and the tree—which they might have put up8 as early as Thanksgiving weekend—is probably past its prime.

If we were to revive the older tradition of putting up the Christmas tree and decorations closer to Christmas (see "When Should You Put Up Your Christmas Tree?9"), then we could celebrate Advent10 to its fullest—and in keeping our decorations up after Christmas Day, we might find a renewed sense of joy in celebrating all Twelve Days of Christmas.
 Life_Is_Better
Joined: 1/8/2011
Msg: 36
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Posted: 1/8/2012 11:38:04 AM
The Reason For The Season...

I keep a clip from the paper with a statement by Ben Nolt of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania as a reminder. He wrote:

"If you are celebrating Christmas one day a year, you are missing the point!"
 Bezoa
Joined: 7/2/2012
Msg: 37
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:41:40 AM
Christmas... When I was poor, and in a town away from family, it meant a lot of free turkey meals. Good stuff to, with the gravy, and potatoes mmmm

Now I'm living closer to my family, so it's for the kids; though my sister seems to enjoy these things somewhat as well, and it's always nice to please my sister. Last year it meant a little more riches as well, because we got some bonuses from work.

I really don't associate any spirituality to Christmas at all. Heck, I'd forget my own birthday if my sister didn't remind me. Ain't Christmas on a Friday the 13 this year?
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Posted: 7/30/2012 3:51:26 PM
I celebrate Christmas the traditional way. By getting drunk, eating a lot of food, and giving presents to the people I love. That's the true meaning of Christmas, Thanksgiving and every other holiday. Celebrating all the good things that hard work have delivered us. I don't need none of that Judeo-Christian-Libtard guilt trip to bring me down. Next year I plan on spending even more on Christmas. Just because I can.

And if the "commercialization of Christmas" bothers you so much, then don't spend so much time in the stores and watching television. I couldn't give a pair of rats tits if they put the Christmas decorations out on 4th of July. It's a store. It's they're job to make money. Turn off the TV and get over yourself.
 _shakti_
Joined: 7/5/2011
Msg: 39
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Posted: 7/30/2012 4:06:54 PM

And if the "commercialization of Christmas" bothers you so much, then don't spend so much time in the stores and watching television. I couldn't give a pair of rats tits if they put the Christmas decorations out on 4th of July. It's a store. It's they're job to make money. Turn off the TV and get over yourself.
Well, one needs to spend time in the stores in order to buy gifts for family. At one time I actually worked at a mall- kinda hard to avoid it in that instance. As for Tv and getting over myself? You presume much, and frankly I find it pretty comical.

I started the thread because I was contemplative about how the 'meaning of Christmas' seems to have evolved over time, and I was curious to hear the thoughts of others. I also find it intriguing what that time of year seems to draw out in people.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 40
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Posted: 7/30/2012 6:24:23 PM
I will have Christmas dinner with family, but in reality, Christmas to me is just one more pagan holiday appropriated by Christians.

The reason for the season? Mithras, The Holly King, and other solstice deities who predate Jesus.

Of course, the real reason for the season now is $$$$$$.
 Padawan61
Joined: 3/1/2008
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Posted: 7/30/2012 7:07:51 PM
What's with digging up this thread in the middle of summer?? You're all 7 months too late or 5 months too early.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 7:59:10 PM
What's wrong with money? Money is what I use to pay the gas bill and keep the fridge stocked with groceries. The same things our Pagan holidays were concerned with. Holidays were the few times that people didn't have to work, and could just be thanksful for making it through another year. Until christianity came along and ruined everything.

Liberalism is the same old schtick. I'm trying to decide if I'm going to have another helping of stuffing or save the room for an extra piece of pie, and they're trying to spoil my appetite by showing starving Africans on the TV.
 AlfredoDP
Joined: 5/31/2012
Msg: 43
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Posted: 7/30/2012 10:31:16 PM
Christmas... It's supposed to be joy, family reunion, being reborn.
To me, it is one of the saddest times of the year... because I am alone.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 44
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Posted: 7/31/2012 7:13:17 AM

What's wrong with money? Money is what I use to pay the gas bill and keep the fridge stocked with groceries. The same things our Pagan holidays were concerned with. Holidays were the few times that people didn't have to work, and could just be thanksful for making it through another year. Until christianity came along and ruined everything.

Liberalism is the same old schtick. I'm trying to decide if I'm going to have another helping of stuffing or save the room for an extra piece of pie, and they're trying to spoil my appetite by showing starving Africans on the TV.


Who said that there is anything wrong with money? Certainly, I didn't say it. I merely pointed out that Xmas is now about money. Xmas is a secular holiday: Christians can protest that it is about the birth of Christ, but it is not only based on older pagan holidays, but Jesus is lost in the shuffle.

It could be proven tomorrow that Jesus never lived and Xmas would go on as scheduled this winter. I personally celebrate the winter solstice but again, I will have Xmas dinner with family because that's when they celebrate.
 BLONDE_ANGEL845
Joined: 6/30/2012
Msg: 45
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Posted: 11/23/2012 6:10:34 PM
Today, for me, it is a symbol of hope, that I can start my life anew again!
 PrunellaJones
Joined: 1/22/2011
Msg: 46
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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:19:34 PM
So with all of these conflicting views and prevailing concerns, what is christmas to YOU?


I don't have a problem with Xmas. I am not religious and don't celebrate it from that point of view, but growing up in a Christian country within a Christian family, the holiday and all its memories are embedded into my psyche. I enjoy most the Xmas tree. When I lived in the States, I spent years collecting beautiful ornaments and had a large, heavily decorated fresh tree every year. I lived in the NW where gorgeous big tress are the norm. Nowadays I usually travel at Xmas time and don't have a tree. When I travel at Christmas, I usually go to Christian countries because I enjoy the atmosphere. I am not a shopper at any time and do very little Christmas shopping, but I like all the other stuff, except too many television commercials. To me, Xmas is about a sense of festivity, having a beautiful tree, when I can (I don't decorate beyond that), parties (but not over doing it), the atmosphere, some of the food specialities, etc. I will be in one of the main capitals of the world this Xmas, in a Christian country, and am really looking forward to it: the sights, sounds, food, drink, sense of festivity, goodwill, etc. Great fun. : )
 Tah,
Joined: 11/18/2008
Msg: 47
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Posted: 11/24/2012 1:49:41 AM
values are values, doesnt matter who is telling the story as long as they end result is the same.

It aint, just look at whats termed 'black friday' and the way we treat eachother over that (i include the way corperations manipulate us)
 PrunellaJones
Joined: 1/22/2011
Msg: 48
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Posted: 11/24/2012 3:17:01 AM

So many cultures celebrate something at this time of year that it really doesn't matter who or what you worship, the entire world seems to be relaxing and enjoying life for a short time.

I wish we could have days like that more often.
I agree with this. Those who are upset about the Christmas season for one reason or another, it's too bad. It's looking at things from the most negative and miserable point of view. Really, too bad.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 49
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Posted: 11/24/2012 7:48:29 AM

What does it mean to you?

Just another hallmark holiday.
 ih8tefrogstoo
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Posted: 11/24/2012 8:06:39 AM
When I was 10, my mother died. She passed away in mid-June, but I think in dealing with her death (by compartmentalizing it in the back of my brain and living in denial for several years) Christmas in my house changed after that. It became stressful, my dad pressuring my younger sister and myself to prep the Christmas dinner and get everything organized before our (maternal) grandmother and her equally elderly friend joined us. We opened our stockings in the early morning, and then presents...and the rest of the day became one frantic 'did you make the stuffing?', 'did you put the turkey in?', when are the dishes going to be done?', 'no, you can't play with your toys...there's too much work to do', etc., etc. Surprisingly though, through all of this I held onto that *magical* feeling of the holiday, and even now, in my mid-50s, I still love the anticipation of the holiday.

I'm not a religious person by any means, but am spiritual. So while Christmas to me may not mean honouring God, Jesus, etc., I still do hold a reverence to what it means to me in a spiritual sense. The coming together of family - even those who can easily irritate or annoy - is something that I personally celebrate, and each Christmas give thanks that all family members are still here to share their presence. The immense commercialism of the holiday does bother me, but I tend to push that aside and instead focus on the positive aspect. For myself, an evening spent sitting in front of the Christmas tree, it's lights aglow and tinsel glimmering, has a wonderous calming effect on my usually over-stressed mind and body. Snow falling outside, Christmas lights resonating their brilliant colours against the backdrop of deep green tree branches, a glass of wine in hand, and thoughts of loved ones near and far...this is what I treasure during the holiday time.

When my son was growing up I was a single mom, and for so many years we struggled greatly, not enough income, long hours spent at work and mad dashes to the daycare to collect him before they closed...in looking back, one of the things I regret is being so stressed that I simply didn't have time to enjoy what I had...a beautiful, loving little boy. Yet every Christmas time we celebrated together; we searched out someone who was selling Christmas trees and laboriously dragged one home, decorating it with lights and tinsel and all sorts of handmade charms; we sat and watched Christmas movies together, and we enjoyed Christmas mornings filled with exploring stockings that Santa had filled, opening gifts and - though it was unspoken - gave tremendous thanks that we were in each others' lives.

This year I'm going to travel to my son's - he is now 30 and is currently about 600 miles away - and spend Christmas with him and his girlfriend. This will be the first time I'm meeting his gf, and I am eagerly looking forward to it. I give thanks every day that my son is close to me and is in my life, and I also give thanks for all of my other family members and just what they mean to me. Am I blessed for this ? I suppose 'blessed' is all a personal perspective...but I certainly do feel that way.
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