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| | Sarita Page 17 of 21 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21) | on an earlier post, an ignorant fool made the statement that "pope ratz. was a Nazi"
i would like to add some truth (just in case somebody actually believes this guy)......at the age of 12, j.ratz, was enrolled in a pre-seminary school, this was in 1939 before WW-2 began. he was raised in the largely catholic town of traunstein, and his parents were very devout......at the start of WW2, the school was converted into a military school, all religious schools in germany were banned!....he had to join into the hitler youth, and he had to partake in the various functions but because of his devout upbringing he was never indoctrinated into nazi idealogy.....he was assigned to work in emergency relief and in hospitals to help care 4 wounded soldiers.....at age 15, he was assigned to an anti-aircraft squad that was protecting the BMW motor plant north of munich from allied bombing, he did this until he got wounded,,,,after the war, he resumed his religious studies!.......at the most he was simply a german soldier, but he was NOT a member of the Nazi corps.....he was part of the hitler youth corp but that is something that he had no choice as a little boy!
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another foolish statement that this person made was that the US is going down and it can blame christianity and Judiasm for that!!!.......if this isn't a classic example of pure ignorance, then i don't know what is!.........it is the Judeo-Christian heritage(not an islamic heritage) that made the US a great country!.........and it is because of this greatness that we defeated Nazism, won the cold war, and will eventually win against the islamo-fascists!!!....remember that Hitler said almost the same thing as this guy said....he blamed Jews and religious christians for the downfall of germany..........what this fool doesn't understand is that america has the favor of God, even inspite of our problems!!!
this guy is notorious for making base-less foolish statements and denying the truth!
A 46 year old ignorant and foolish who doesn't know how to argue properly keeps calling names. Very glorious personality he has got with his Christianity belief. I guess that is what his version Christianity is all about.
HE is so smart that he knows about pope's ideology and the way the pope thinks out of his brain. If he were that devout an individual, he wouldn't have enlisted to join and would have died for his own religion and belief under Hitler without joining the nazis.
This foolish individual who has reached a time of his life when he would be full of knowledge still keeps on calling names as he is family upbringing might have taught him to do so when arguing and running out of ideas. This foolish and ignorant individual has such a close mind that he doesn't think further than calling others fool and names.
Since all his claims talk about his own personal struggles and close-mind and is not related to any religion, it is merely his own personal thoughts and opinions that he has been braishwashed with and grown up with. Thus, no further response to a fool like him.
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Posted: 8/20/2005 8:35:17 PM |
I think religions all have primitive elements, but for some reason, Islam encourages the worst elements of primitive societies, like mistreatment of women.
No solid evidence of any particular religion found for this claim. Thus, the claim is thought to be merely a personal opinion of an individual that she is entitled to. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 8:46:26 PM |
Pope Ratzinger, as a young man, belonged to a youth group of Nazis. As a grown up man, he did not belong to any Nazi group. He has spoken about this, and it’s a part of his life he regrets. As is, I believe he’s making it clear that Naziism is wrong and he would never be party to it today.
Islam, however, is not making that statement about its mistreatment of women. It does not speak against its mistreatment of women. It encourages mistreatment of women.
The U.S. is headed towards destruction, but for very different reasons from what you believe. It’s headed towards destruction because it’s imperialistic. All imperialistic nations fall. The U.S.’s wealth is not used to enrich its middle class and poor, but rather, to further enrich its rich.
Islamic nations, on the other hand, are primitive. They thrive on primitive ideas, such as the mistreatment and humiliation of women.
Regarding your allegation that I may have been involved with a Muslim male, you couldn’t be more incorrect. I have nothing personally against individual Muslim males, and in general find many Muslim males very attractive, but the truth is that I’m far too independent to allow myself to even remotely ponder a relationship with an Islamic male, unless he were steeped in secularity to the point of atheism. Even so, I’d be afraid that sooner or later his Islamic background would come out anyway, and we’d end up pummeling one another into a trip to the ER.
No such evidence found as to relate the ideas about mistreatment of women in here to be linked to any religion. It is merely thoughts of an individual based on people's actions and not religion.
If Christianity and Judaism is that good, then why would the society turn into imperialistic and materialistic society? Is it what Christianity and Judaism encourage? Based on the fact that we judge societies by their religion (saritamiami's thoughts), US has more Christians and Jews than Muslims. Thus, we could conclude that Judaism and Christianity promote materialism and imperialism and lead toward destruction.
For you the best match would be Jewish individual with first wife and you would be the second one!!!
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Posted: 8/21/2005 3:59:21 PM | If Christianity and Judaism is that good, then why would the society turn into imperialistic and materialistic society? Is it what Christianity and Judaism encourage? Based on the fact that we judge societies by their religion (saritamiami's thoughts), US has more Christians and Jews than Muslims. Thus, we could conclude that Judaism and Christianity promote materialism and imperialism and lead toward destruction.
For you the best match would be Jewish individual with first wife and you would be the second one!!!
To answer your first question regarding why the U.S. is imperialistic and materialistic, I don't believe it has anything to do with Christianity (and much less with Judaism). I think the political design of this country, and its geographical isolation, lead it towards imperialism and materialism. The first, because it's a country established by a lot of outcasts from Europe, a lot of tough misfits, a lot of people looking for fortune at any cost. They designed a big-fish-eats-little-fish society, and it's that way to this very day. The second, because, being protected by 2 oceans, it is shielded from attacks. It's not that this country's military is superior. It isn't. It's just damned lucky to be geographically protected by oceans. It also has a very nice country to the north that is peaceful, and a bunch of countries to the south, that pose no threat. (To the contrary, this country is a threat to them constantly). This country had a lot of Christians in the beginning when it was being taken from the British and established. Jews didn't come into the U.S. until long after this country was already an imperialistic nation, and they came a little bit at a time.
As for whom I should marry. Hmmm.. first off, Jewish people don't engage in multiple marriages. That's the realm of Muslims. Second, I was married... TWICE! The first to a Jewish guy; the second to a Catholic who passed away. My third one is going to be a sweetiepie, and you bet he's not going to be religious in any religion.
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Posted: 8/21/2005 6:27:18 PM | | I woud just like to point out that the first (well second actualy) setlers of the amreicas were a mix of devout christians, athiests, catholics, cathars, amish and a bunch of people who payed lip service to religion, such as explorers, criminals and homeless people. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2005 7:17:21 PM | Sarita:
So, the USA, you say, is imperialistic? So, after WWII, the USSR took ahold of its European area, but the USA allowed the area it controlled to be free? And allowed Japan freedom? Indeed, the Marshall plan assisted their freedoms. And has recently assisted, to the extent possible, the Iraqi vote. And will leave, as soon as the Iraqis are free of headchoppers?
And you accuse the USA of "materialism". So, survival is "materialistic". I suppose you have cast aside your auto and ride a bike, and live in a tent, and eat only what you grow?
You say that the USA was "established by a lot of outcasts from Europe, a lot of tough misfits..." Wow. Talk about dissing a whole country. The country with the most liberating Constitution in history, beyond the Magna Carta. Established on contract (quid pro quo etc.) and free enterprise (now degraded as evil "capitalism").
You say that the USA is lucky to have "a very nice country to the north that is peaceful..."
Oh yes indeedy, and every President elected has been taking Canuck land at every opportunity.
Sarita, you are VERY fortunate to live in the land of the free, the country that is presently attempting to establish freedom worldwide, as a bulwark against a religion that, as you are aware, is really not so hot. And, as you are possibly aware, is predicted to be dominant in Europe in decades ahead (partly in correlation to the fact that Muslim marriages are one-way: Muslim men can marry non-Muslims, but not the opposite. That gets me livid). | |
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Posted: 8/21/2005 7:42:42 PM | So, the USA, you say, is imperialistic? So, after WWII, the USSR took ahold of its European area, but the USA allowed the area it controlled to be free? And allowed Japan freedom? Indeed, the Marshall plan assisted their freedoms.
You obviously are ignorant of what happens when imperialistic countries declare a war and then “plan” how those countries will be run henceforth. You’re also unaware of treaties, and that the victor “compels” the signing of such treaties. You’re also unaware of the fact that treaties are for the benefit of the victor. You’re also unaware that generally, the victor is the imperialistic nation.
And has recently assisted, to the extent possible, the Iraqi vote. And will leave, as soon as the Iraqis are free of headchoppers?
What the hell are you talking about? We attack a nation that has nothing to do with 9/11, we are in there, provoking the people, shooting at them, exploding their land, their homes, their children, their women, their men, their everything, we ransack and bomb their museums, their restaurants, destroy their economy, and you claim we help them have free elections, when the truth is, we’re forcing them hold bs elections in which their choices are: 1) People who will obey the orders of the U.S., or, 2) People who will obey the orders of the U.S.? Oh puhleez.
And you accuse the USA of "materialism". So, survival is "materialistic". I suppose you have cast aside your auto and ride a bike, and live in a tent, and eat only what you grow?
I can’t cast aside my automobile. There’s no transportation that will take me to work other than an automobile. Here, an automobile is not an option. It’s a necessity, or you don’t EAT.
You say that the USA was "established by a lot of outcasts from Europe, a lot of tough misfits..." Wow. Talk about dissing a whole country.
Fact: This country was established by individuals who were formerly prisoners in Europe.
Fact: This country was established by religious extremists who were thrown out of Europe.
Fact: This country was established by mercenaries from Europe.
Fact: This country was established by individuals willing to kill or die to get some land.
Fact: This country was established by individuals who wanted to get rich fast at any cost.
And you tell me I’m dissing???
The country with the most liberating Constitution in history, beyond the Magna Carta.
Maybe back in... what year was it? 1787? Since then, it’s had to be amended countless times. European constitutions, established much later than ours, are far more egalitarian, more human, more humanitarian, and far better written. You can do all the chest banging you want, but this country’s constitution is constantly having to be re-written. We call them amendments. We should call them “re-writings.”
You say that the USA is lucky to have "a very nice country to the north that is peaceful..."
Oh yes indeedy, and every President elected has been taking Canuck land at every opportunity.
What a foolish, unrelated comment.
Sarita, you are VERY fortunate to live in the land of the free, the country that is presently attempting to establish freedom worldwide, as a bulwark against a religion that, as you are aware, is really not so hot
Oh come on. The right wing Christian whackos in this country are doing their level best to force-feed Christian fundamentalism down our kids' throats in science class, they're trying to shove it down our throats in monuments on govt. land, they're trying to shove it down our throats by denying women medical treatment and dominion over their own bodies. Christian right wing extremist whackos want nothing more but to inch on over to the sort of anti-feminism that exists in Islamic nations.
From Bright:
I would just like to point out that the first (well second actualy) setlers of the amreicas were a mix of devout christians, athiests, catholics, cathars, amish and a bunch of people who payed lip service to religion, such as explorers, criminals and homeless people.
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Posted: 8/22/2005 1:02:30 AM | 1600 years ago Islam was not evil or viewed so as it is today. It flurished in peace much like early Christianity. Now days It has alot of spinoff fundamentalism. A pasage taken here or there, just depends on whos doing the interpretation. Christianity has its fair share of fundamental extreamest, (Out of respect I wont go in to detail) just not so much as dire as the Islam fractions. Something to think about- when was the last time we saw a buddiest monk, strap a bomb to himself and blow up a building full of people he didn't like. In short everyone is entitled to their own religous belieafs. However, anyone that kills in the name of their God wether Christian, Muslim, or Jew, wicken, Druid, or any other religion, Is themself evil.
The true desire for anyone in any religion, should always be, to share their good news with everyone they can get the chance to do so with. That should be the true beauty of being human if I found the true path to a better more enriched and enlightened after life, then the greatest thing I can do humanly possable would be to share it with others ;) | |
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Posted: 8/22/2005 9:08:29 AM | Saritamiami
To answer your first question regarding why the U.S. is imperialistic and materialistic, I don't believe it has anything to do with Christianity (and much less with Judaism). I think the political design of this country, and its geographical isolation, lead it towards imperialism and materialism. The first, because it's a country established by a lot of outcasts from Europe, a lot of tough misfits, a lot of people looking for fortune at any cost. They designed a big-fish-eats-little-fish society, and it's that way to this very day. The second, because, being protected by 2 oceans, it is shielded from attacks. It's not that this country's military is superior. It isn't. It's just damned lucky to be geographically protected by oceans. It also has a very nice country to the north that is peaceful, and a bunch of countries to the south, that pose no threat. (To the contrary, this country is a threat to them constantly). This country had a lot of Christians in the beginning when it was being taken from the British and established. Jews didn't come into the U.S. until long after this country was already an imperialistic nation, and they came a little bit at a time.
As for whom I should marry. Hmmm.. first off, Jewish people don't engage in multiple marriages. That's the realm of Muslims. Second, I was married... TWICE! The first to a Jewish guy; the second to a Catholic who passed away. My third one is going to be a sweetiepie, and you bet he's not going to be religious in any religion.
Based on the fact that you see societies through their religion and culture and people, then it is totally correct to assume that the society of US is going towards destruction because of its materialistic views and Christianity and Judaism is to blame for it. If this society is in 21st century, how come it can not overcome its own problem if the major religion of this country are Christianity and Judaism? From economic to social and family structure to everything else goes towards destruction and materialism. Little kids get up in the morning and get a shot gun and kill their own parents and or go to school as little terrorists and kill all innocent children and teachers, kids swear at their parents, teenagers are kept so busy with nicotine and drugs that barely a few are able to move on to university to actually hold a degree, people being controlled by the americanized media depicting the American dream, scientific research proves how harmful alcohol is and countless bottles are made every second to feed them in order to take all the money back from everyone's pocket so that they will continue to work and build up the shattered economy, kids don't see their own parents from dusk to dawn, growing up at day care with no love and affection of their own biological parents and thus, don't really care who their parents are when they grow up to many many many other problems. Now based on your view, any society must be viewed through its religions and all these events are happening as of now and Christianity and Judaism are to blame.
And yes don't forget the Sephardic Jews with multiple wives.
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Posted: 8/22/2005 5:27:20 PM | at sundown
i generally agree with most of your post, however, in islam, there does not appear to be any checks and balances as there are in various other religions.......by this i mean that the quran can be interpreted in many different ways (and continues to be as such) by numerous clerics in the muslim world......when osama binladen ordered the 9/11 attacks, his action was endorsed by various established clerics, however, in the aftermath, there were many other clerics who felt that these attacks were NOT justified.......therefore in 2003, Binladen, obtained a "fatwa" from some cleric in saudi arabia that would now allow him to use nuclear/wmd to re-attack the US!!....this "fatwa" is a lenghty treatise steeped in quranic law, and it was drafted by only one cleric!!!!...........in islam, there doesn't seem to be any such thing as a 'ratification' process among clerics, (though there may be some that might not agree!)......therefore there is no true system of accountability!......the fact that there are prominent clerics that give Binladen a certain legitamacy is what is disturbing about this religion! | |
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Posted: 8/22/2005 5:41:56 PM | | Seems to me the Qur'an states the shall be no divide in the religion itself but now a reformation is taking place in Geneva of all places. Here are familiar portraits of Luther and Calvin magically appear in a mirror to lip-synch the glories of the 16th-century Reformation - a revolution against a corrupt Catholic church that ripped off the gullible by selling passports to heaven. By translating the Bible into the vernacular (one of the earliest and most influential English Bibles was produced in Geneva in 1560), the reformers bypassed the power of the Catholic clergy to interpret the word of God to ordinary believers. The parallels with a religion that refuses to accept the authenticity of translations of the Qur'an are superficially powerful. | |
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Posted: 8/22/2005 5:50:58 PM | in a previous post, some 'fool' wrote; "now based on your view, any society must be viewed through its religions and all the these events are happening as of now and Christianity and Judaism are to blame"......so i am writing this post in case somebody really believes this crap!
the actual TRUTH is: the reason most western societies (canada included) are growing in decadence is simply because the very principles of Christianity have been slowly EXCLUDED from the day to days lives of recent generations!!!!........school prayer has been eliminated by the work of the atheists thru the courts.....service and respect of the elderly is viewed as useless by those without spiritual values!........family unity has been undermined by those who put THEMSELVES first.......mothers and fathers can NO longer discipline their children according to scripture, it is considered child abuse by the liberals and the atheists!!!...etc, etc., etc.
in order for america (and other western countries) to regain social stability, the silent majority who have religious/spiritual values MUST win back their country from those who planted the seeds of selfishness thru the promotion of a GOD-LESS society!!! | |
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Posted: 8/22/2005 6:00:03 PM | can blame someone for the religion they choose or have been taught to believe in, nor can you blame the religion.
However, you can blame the inherit interpreration of that religion and its teachings, but that also is on Christianity's shoulders and every other religion. 'Evil' and 'Good' are perspectives of everyone, not just the 'Enemy' of another group - therefore are even more unfair to objectify a religion which does not conform to another standards.
The premise that the Koran is a Book of Law as well as Religion however, is something different. That the Koran does say its ok to abuse you're female partner and that they are worth less than you etc is wrong in our times, true. The fact that the Koran was written so that it cannot be modified - yet as evolution progressed it became very outdated and does not conform to current ethical standards or modes, is true. However, that does not make it evil. The interpretation and conformity to whatever ideas are written as gospel makes it 'ethical' or 'moral' but to whose standards?
On that note, the Bible has many outdated standards and modes, as well as many interpretations. At one point the Church had full out civil wars because one groups interpretations were counter to anothers, and they called each other Evil and said they were wrong. Who were they to judge?
I think Religion should be the personal choice of all individuals, like Judaism, to Islamism, to Muslimism or Sikhism. People should not be punished for their beliefs, however as long as they follow a general concensus of Ethical and Moral Social standards what do we care? | |
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Posted: 8/22/2005 6:14:17 PM |
Based on the fact that you see societies through their religion and culture and people, then it is totally correct to assume that the society of US is going towards destruction because of its materialistic views and Christianity and Judaism is to blame for it.
I’ve already explained that this country was planned by individuals who were mercenary. If you choose to believe that it’s religion, that’s your problem isn’t it? However, leave Jews out of this. Jews didn’t arrive in this country until it was well under way.
If this society is in 21st century, how come it can not overcome its own problem
Problems haven’t been solved, but women are doing far better in western nations, than in Islamic nations. I consider that Islam has a big problem in its mistreatment of women.
Little kids get up in the morning and get a shot gun and kill their own parents and or go to school as little terrorists
This is what happens when the nuclear family has no one outside to depend or rely on. It’s a very artificial way to live.
Regarding little terrorists,all you have to do is look at religious Islamic communities. They’re experts at training children to become terrorists, some become rock-throwing children, trying to kill people by throwing rocks at their heads, and some just grow up to become suicide bombers. What a lovely religion Islam is!! 
people being controlled by the americanized media depicting the American dream
Agreed. The American media is propaganda.
scientific research proves how harmful alcohol is
Incorrect. Alcohol is very healthy in moderation. In fact, those who drink in moderation, enjoy better health than those who don’t drink at all.
And yes don't forget the Sephardic Jews with multiple wives.
Point out one, just one that does that today. Give me a name. I guarantee you won’t find any Jews that have multiple wives. Stop confusing people. Jews are not Muslims. (Heaven forbid!) | |
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Posted: 8/22/2005 6:17:42 PM | @ sum1reel
Oh I agree with you. Over time in the Islamic structure, there has been a breakdown within the religion. You don't just go from a world religious superpower to third world barbarism without some major cornerstones in the faith, being torn down. Religious leader’s holy men, clerics, sultans, etc. At about 1200 AD, Islam was the most technologically superior religion in the known world due to the countries it encompassed.
There are some historians that blame the Kahn’s and their hordes for this breakdown. The Mongolian Empire did not tolerate the religion, and many of the top Muslims did not fair well under the Mongol rule. Islam blames Christianity and the crusades, in much of their rallying cries, of modern day anti U.S. sentiment. The breakdown attempts at the fundamental religion of Islam began well before the crusades, by the practitioners of shamanism. (The Mongols were practitioners of shamanism) | |
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Posted: 8/22/2005 6:19:28 PM | school prayer has been eliminated by the work of the atheists thru the courts
Thank GOD school prayer doesn't exist now. I lived for several years in mid-Florida, and read the history of the city I lived in. When there was prayer in schools there, there also was a strict separation between white people and black people. One water fountain (the modern, pretty one usually) said, "Whites Only", while the other water fountain (around the corner, old, dingy, rusted, broken, said, "Coloreds." Same with the buses, the front said, "Whites Only", the back, busted cushions, broken handles, said, "Coloreds."
But oh yes, Christian whites prayed in school. They prayed a LOT! All that devoutness. To what they prayed, I don't know. It couldn't have been God. I can't imagine in heaven God has separate facilities for blacks and whites. | |
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Posted: 8/22/2005 6:24:47 PM | OT: Once we stop thinking outside our National Identity and instead think on a Humane Identity (as in Global) can we start solving our problems like Religious Naivity (all persons and religions who are Myopic) and Ethical and Moral issues. Hopefully it would help solve Poverty and Crime at least to acceptable levels.
The belief that One Nation is the World is purely ignorant. However accepting that there are many other principles and ideas in the world beyond national borders is the route to accepting other religions and beleifs and peoples. This does not exclude the fact that Law and Ethical behavior shouldn't be upheld, they should be, there should be Global Law for Human treatment as well as Worldwide Education and other things. If we look beyond that then maybe we can start to accept and work with other people and ideas instead of bashing them or saying they are wrong in their principles. Instead we should be discussing and openly trying to solidify those problems.
As for Creationism vs Evolution principles (I know its partially OT) I think that this Kansas School Board arguement is atrocious, since Religion should be kept seperate from Schools, as well that Evolution is a very acceptable and sound principle within an Education structure since it opens the door to "the Greater Question" it isn't a closed idea like Creationism. It allows for all principles and models. Shall we then also say that Quantum Physics doesn't work because we can create and destroy matter from energy? | |
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Posted: 8/22/2005 6:30:32 PM |
As for Creationism vs Evolution principles (I know its partially OT) I think that this Kansas School Board arguement is atrocious
It is. I never thought I'd see the day when complete ignorants would be trying to teach Christian mythology as if it were science. Disgusting, really. | |
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Posted: 8/22/2005 6:31:49 PM | | Did you see the website that some guy made about the "Spagetti monster" and is trying to show the KSB that if Creationism is allowed then his idea should be too? | |
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Posted: 8/22/2005 6:36:01 PM | Ahahaha! I went and looked it up!
www.verganza.org
First Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster  I love it. | |
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Posted: 8/22/2005 8:50:14 PM | at sarita
Thank GOD school prayer doesn't exist now. I lived for several years in mid-Florida, and read the history of the city I lived in. When there was prayer in schools there, there also was a strict separation between white people and black people. One water fountain (the modern, pretty one usually) said, "Whites Only", while the other water fountain (around the corner, old, dingy, rusted, broken, said, "Coloreds." Same with the buses, the front said, "Whites Only", the back, busted cushions, broken handles, said, "Coloreds."
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this has gotta be the most obtuse argument 4 the removal of voluntary school prayer that i've ever heard!!!!!!
1. by what thread of logic do you associate reciting a simple prayer in school with racial segregation???
2. is the same person(s) who abolished school prayer the same person(s) who dismantled racial segregation?
3. was school prayer banned (along with other disparaties based on race)by the civil rights act of 1964?
4. a)did praying in school somehow directly encourage racial violence?...b) did the ceasing of school prayer suddenly resolve racial violence/discrimination?
..........i could go on but somehow i don't think i'm going to get thru to this individual!....this is typical of the liberal mindset!....they are quick to derride that which does not conform to their egotistical understanding, YET have nothing of substance to offer in its place!
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Posted: 8/23/2005 9:48:14 AM |
by what thread of logic do you associate reciting a simple prayer in school with racial segregation
Hi Sum -
I don’t. Prayer in schools is religious discrimination, not racial segregation. If you pass laws to have 1 religion’s method of worship used in schools, Constitutionally, you have to represent the other religions’ methods of worship as well. For example, Wiccan worship, Hindu worship, Buddhist worship, Islamic worship, and much more. The government is not allowed by the Constitution to make laws that favor 1 religion or certain religions over the others.
I mentioned that mid-Florida city, its prayer in schools, and its discrimination, because the same legislators that promoted prayer in schools, were promoting inferior and separate facilities for blacks, as if blacks were somehow inhuman. That’s why I wondered what kind of God they were praying to. Some satanic one?
btw........you "thank GOD"! ..............which god is that if i may ask?
One without sons, and one I don’t shove down anyone’s throat, nor try to force into legislation. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 6:21:57 PM | at sarita
i never said that you had to legislate one religion's method of worship!!!....i believe i wrote the word "voluntary" in my post to portray the method.......hence, a christian can recite his prayer, the jew/muslim his, etc., etc.,....and those who do not wish to pray can simply sit and twittle their thumbs if they wish!........so how is this being discriminatory then????
the fact is that the liberals & atheists fought to have ANY form of prayer removed from school and finagled it by connecting it to the separation of church and state...the end result was a victory that satisfied their own selfish gains and nothing more, and if thats not discriminatory against all who believe then i don't know what is!!!!
somehow, you cannot dis-associate school prayer itself from the racially discriminatory practices of that particular time..............yes, there were bigots who promoted school prayer(strictly for their own agenda of course), but you don't seem to understand is that school prayer (as i've described it) is a virtue that can be extolled in its own right (without being connected or interdependant on anything else). | |
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Posted: 8/24/2005 9:48:48 AM |
in a previous post, some 'fool' wrote; "now based on your view, any society must be viewed through its religions and all the these events are happening as of now and Christianity and Judaism are to blame"......so i am writing this post in case somebody really believes this crap!
the actual TRUTH is: the reason most western societies (canada included) are growing in decadence is simply because the very principles of Christianity have been slowly EXCLUDED from the day to days lives of recent generations!!!!........school prayer has been eliminated by the work of the atheists thru the courts.....service and respect of the elderly is viewed as useless by those without spiritual values!........family unity has been undermined by those who put THEMSELVES first.......mothers and fathers can NO longer discipline their children according to scripture, it is considered child abuse by the liberals and the atheists!!!...etc, etc., etc.
in order for america (and other western countries) to regain social stability, the silent majority who have religious/spiritual values MUST win back their country from those who planted the seeds of selfishness thru the promotion of a GOD-LESS society!!!
The 46-year old foolish who has no idea what he is talking about hasn't read the post by "Saritamiami" talking about "any society must be viewed through its religion".
He is so smart that he is twisting things around here. When he was arguing with me earlier, he wouldn't distinguish between 1. Religion 2. Actions of people 3. Culture and tradition. But when it comes to Christianity, he is very smart to distinguish that and mention that people don't follow christianity in their day to day lives and thus the religion shouldn't be blamed for it. | |
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Posted: 8/24/2005 2:59:22 PM | if this 'passionate fool' would take time to understand what i'm writing then he would know what i was talking about!
Saritamiami" talking about "any society must be viewed through its religion".
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Yes!...........but only societies that defines its actions/laws by their religion....must then be viewed or judged through its religion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
most (if not all) western societies and countries are NOT defined by their religion...most western countries call themselves names such as "the republic of___________" (you can fill in the blank for any western nation)...........BUT, many islamic countries are defined by religious titles.......many are called "the islamic republic [or state] of________" (whatever name), and the clerics in these islamic states make laws based on quranic values...such as saudi arabia that orders women to wear veils in accordance to islamic law!....this is one example...........so in these islamic states, the actions of their pple and leaders IS a reflection of their religious belief!
most western countries are NOT religious states.......they are secular states, which usually means there is separation of church (mosque, synagog, etc) and state government [and its branches: legislative, executive, and judicial]........in the US, this form of government was created by the founders so that way, the government would NOT influence religious practices and the "church" cannot dictate or control the government............so, the ACTIONS of a western country is not a reflection of its religious practice........in other words, it is NOT the fault of christianity or judiasm!!! | |
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