|
|
|
|
|
| | is Islam an Page 18 of 21 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21) | Sum1Reel, the fool.
If you could distinguish between 1. actions of people 2. Culture and tradition 3. Religion alone, you are good to go and no longer a fool. Societies in the West have a favor towards Christianity more as the head of the state is Christian and doesn't allow "cloning" and "stem cell research" based on his own faith. Thus, you could say that it is more Christian-sided society. That is why there is Ten Commandments all over the place!!!!!
The important thing that your brain can not distinguish is the fact that whether the countries name themselves Islamic or not, it doesn't matter. What matters is if real Koranic rules are applied, such as Iraq under Saddam and torturing people, which is against Islam, Afghanisan, where the Taliban had rulings that didn't fit Koran at all and many others. What countries have done is mixed up their own cultures and traditions with religion and made me their own rules and regulations and all the fools who have no knowledge automatically assume that women must wear Burka, watching a few videos of Afghanistan on CNN. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/24/2005 7:26:30 PM | too many foolish statements!!
Societies in the West have a favor towards Christianity more as the head of the state is Christian and doesn't allow "cloning" and "stem cell research" based on his own faith. Thus, you could say that it is more Christian-sided society. That is why there is Ten Commandments all over the place!!!!!
-----------------------------------------
if you are talking about george Bush, then you are partially correct!!!......he does not favor stem cell research because it may require sacrificing viable embryos....this is not inconsistent with his christian belief........but what makes your statement 'incredibly foolish' is that you say that because heads of state are mostly christian and because of this they prohibit this kind of research...........in the US, if J.Kerry would have become president, he certainly would have allowed stem cell research, and he is a practicing christian....the fact is that here in the US, it the PEOPLE who decide what policies they prefer....by this i mean that if the pple really wanted stem cell research as a TOP priority, the majority would have voted for Kerry!....in Britain & N. Europe, where the leaders are christian, they have an active stemcell research program, so this has nothing to do with the fact that most leaders favor christianity!.........as i said (but you cannot understand me), these are secular states, and most do not have religious principles influencing them!............the ten commandments are all over the place????,,,,where?.......the only place they exist is in the supreme court walls.
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
What countries have done is mixed up their own cultures and traditions with religion and made me their own rules and regulations and all the fools who have no knowledge automatically assume that women must wear Burka, watching a few videos of Afghanistan on CNN.
--------------------------
the real fools (beside you) are the religious leaders who call their country by an islamic title and then make up their own rules [as you say!!!!]........when a country has an islamic title, and is run by representatives of islam (mullas, clerics, etc), then they are responsible for how they are viewed by other cultures!!!..........it is NOT the responsibility of western countries, or asian countries to try and figure out what rules are authenticaly islamic and which ones are not!!!.....if these countries use the title of the "islamic republic of__________" then they are responsible on how they portray islamic principles.........just like if there was a country in the west called the "christian republic of_________", then that country has the responsibility to portray christian principles in their government laws and order of conduct!.....but since there is no western country entitled "christian republic of________", then such an obligation is not necessary!
***********************
in another thread you said that i only answer your easy questions?..........first of all, none of your questions are hard, they are mostly foolish........which reflects your age!......the sad part is that you think you are wise and crafty but you are not!
Proverbs 11:2 says "when pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom" | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/24/2005 7:36:32 PM | i never said that you had to legislate one religion's method of worship!!!....i believe i wrote the word "voluntary" in my post to portray the method.......hence, a christian can recite his prayer, the jew/muslim his, etc., etc.,....and those who do not wish to pray can simply sit and twittle their thumbs if they wish!........so how is this being discriminatory then????
Let me explain...
When you use a public toilet, you are free to use it without being asked to take a moment of “silent meditation." It’s very nice to just walk into a public toilet, go to the urinal, do your thing, and leave. However, imagine that you were in a primarily Muslim or Orthodox Jewish land, where either or both believed in prayer before and after relieving oneself, and prayer during handwashing, and imagine that these got it into their heads that you MUST do a “silent and voluntary meditation” before and after you left the bathroom? Imagine this was supervised. I’ll bet you wouldn’t like it, would you? I would find it inappropriate to be forced to engage in “voluntary” anything, to suit someone whose belief is that he/she should impose his/her beliefs on others.
This is the SAME THING that you Christians are trying to do with this sneaky “voluntary meditation” during school. While you prefer to call it “voluntary” and “meditation” so you could get the thing slipped past everyone and approved by claiming it has nothing to do with Christians at all, it *is* imposing your religious beliefs on others that do NOT share your religious beliefs, do not WANT your religious beliefs, and might even be abhorred and horrified by your religious beliefs. I want my children to not have to waste precious school time engaging in "voluntary” or “meditation”, or “voluntary meditation” for the sake of some Christian who could leave the classroom and do it, or do it in the bathroom stall, at home, at church, in the park, before bed, after bed, during his toothbrushing, or even when he’s scratching his ass.
Further, the beliefs of some people do not include “voluntary” or “meditation.” They might include such things as the sacrifice of animals and using the blood of those animals to bathe in. While you Christians might be able to swing in prayers during your “voluntary” and “Meditation”, the religions that require the sacrifice of animals and the bathing in their blood, would be left out of being able to worship, if they are not allowed a school time to sacrifice animals and bathe in their blood. Would you be fine with this? Of course not. Only that which fits in with Christians would satisfy you.
Since you are only willing to accommodate Christians (notice that we Jews have never asked for any school to engage in “silent” or “meditation” or any prayer whatsoever, and it burns me up when you Christians claim it's the "judeo-christian tradition" to pray in school - please kindly stop blaming us for this christian imposition on everyone), and not all religions, then school prayer (even if you call it “voluntary” or “meditation”) is unconstitutional.
Lastly, I and multitudes of others take school too seriously to have its time wasted by some Christians who have nothing better to do than mentally wank off on new and novel ways to introduce their mythology to my child, by doing such things as getting laws passed so he has to do this “voluntary” and “Meditation” bullshit during school hours.
School is for school. Church is for church. You want to pray? Go to church. You want to study? Go to school.
Same thing applies to the attempts to teach Christian mythology during science class. It’s my tax payer money, and I don’t want it wasted on having my child taught Christian mythology. The ultimate worst part of the Christian attempt to teach Christian mythology in science classes is the way most of these Christians have an almost absolute ignorance of science, but one hell of a lot of “I’ve-got-nothing-better-to-do-than-f*ck-with-YOUR-child’s-schooling” syndrome.
Basically, the attempt to get prayer into schools has nothing to do with Christians being holy, but LOTS to do with Christians wanting to f*ck with other people. Period. End of story. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/24/2005 8:45:44 PM | at sarita
i wouldn't have expected you to understand, i made that clear in a previous post to you, and since you are ranting and raving (using 4 letter words) about how evil and deviously enclothed school prayer is, i guess since that time that it was 'excised' from our public school system, miraculosly, our chilren have:1. improved on their test scores nationwide 2. have developed a greater sensitivity towards fellow man 3. have reduced the frequency and episodes of violence and bully-ism 4. have had increase respect towards teachers 5. reduced their unquenchable materialistic desires 5. practiced safe sex and reduced unwanted pregnancy and V.D.......i'd like to go on but i'm getting blisters on my fingers!!!!!
well thank god (your god) that those devious underhanded despicable christians didn't get to keep school prayer in place cause if they did 'god' knows what hideous monsters these kids would have turned into by now........and 'god' forbid that i should waste my tax money on a one minute school prayer that i could waste on paying it on a police officer or metal detectors positioned on school grounds.......doesn't that give you a warm fuzzy feeling to know that you child will be screened for weapons at the door, i sure am!!!!!.....its a good thing our kids take school so seriously, if they didn't maybe they'd score below 3rd world educational levels on reading and comprehension/math instead of being last among industrialized countries.
since you seem so knowledgeable on the bible/old-testament, i surely would defer to you on what the meaning of 'judeo-christian' really is......i guess i've been wrong all these years!....mythology, yep you are right again.........since we've brilliantly discovered the secret of creation of the whole universe why should we bother to teach alternate views of creation!!!
"we jews never asked to engage in school prayer"..........i din't think so either, but thats because i've never seen jewish parents send their child to 'public' school!!!!!!!!!!!..........but what does a dumb yet devious christian like me know!........thank 'god' you have the answers.
its great that you "explained it all" now i could sleep soundly! | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/24/2005 11:31:25 PM | | no one should be forced to pray to the wrong god. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/25/2005 6:05:33 AM | at pella
no one would be "forced" to pray to ANY god.............but maybe you could fill us all in on who the 'right' god is. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/25/2005 9:12:34 AM | Allah, alone the Lord of Jesus and Moses and offcourse Muhammad
PEACE BE UPON THEM
all messengers and creation of Allah
its that simple | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/25/2005 4:01:28 PM | i wouldn't have expected you to understand, i made that clear in a previous post to you, and since you are ranting and raving (using 4 letter words) about how evil and deviously enclothed school prayer is, i guess since that time that it was 'excised' from our public school system, miraculosly, our chilren have:1. improved on their test scores nationwide 2. have developed a greater sensitivity towards fellow man 3. have reduced the frequency and episodes of violence and bully-ism 4. have had increase respect towards teachers 5. reduced their unquenchable materialistic desires 5. practiced safe sex and reduced unwanted pregnancy and V.D.......i'd like to go on but i'm getting blisters on my fingers!!!!!
sum, no need to get blisters on your fingers. It’s actually quite clear to me. Let me simplify it by asking you, are you saying that there are studies showing that Christian prayer has made test scores improve? If so, I can probably dig up studies showing that Buddhist and Hindu meditation has made scores improve. I can DEFINITELY show you studies showing that Buddhist and Hindu meditation had improved health and healed illness. I can show you that belonging to Jehovah’s Witnesses has improved the mental health of many. Are you amenable to having a Hindu priest come into the classroom and lead everyone in silent meditation? Or are you simply trying to shove your Christianity down our children’s throats? Be clear and concise on this, please, it’s important for you to specify if you are willing to have any religion in the classroom, or just Christianity.
one minute school prayer that i could waste on paying it on a police officer or metal detectors positioned on school grounds.......doesn't that give you a warm fuzzy feeling to know that you child will be screened for weapons at the door, i sure am!!!!!.....its a good thing our kids take school so seriously, if they didn't maybe they'd score below 3rd world educational levels on reading and comprehension/math instead of being last among industrialized countries.
That’s funny. In Spain we don’t have school prayer and we also don’t have kids carrying guns to class. Know why? Because the Spanish have extended family, community, and neighborhoods, so Spanish kids are not mentally whacked out. Your country no longer has , community, and neighborhoods because corporations have managed to destroy and isolate everyone by swallowing up tiny businesses, small towns, destroying density of population and creating horrific sprawl and distance, and forcing everyone to have to rely on a car to work, eat and live. (If you’d like to know how, I’ll gladly give you a summary of how your corporations have destroyed American families).
And, FYI, Spanish schooling is way ahead of U.S. schooling, and not because of prayer, since Spanish kids don’t have any prayers in the classroom. Spanish kids who transfer to the U.S. when their parents are temporarily transferred here for whatever reasons, always end up being placed several grades ahead. Know why? Because Spain spends a huge amount of its budget on education, and schools are small, so teachers can concentrate on each child, because Spain takes care of its people (unlike the U.S., who could care less about its people), because people in Spain don’t lack for health care, because people in Spain are taken care of if they lose their jobs. How can Spain do this? Easy. It doesn’t give its tax money away to corporations as corporate welfare, and it doesn’t spend huge amouts of it on defense. It spends it on Spanish people. Your country is a mess, and you can thank conservatives for that.
"we jews never asked to engage in school prayer"..........i din't think so either, but thats because i've never seen jewish parents send their child to 'public' school!!!!!!!!!!!..........but what does a dumb yet devious christian like me know!........thank 'god' you have the answers.
What an ignorant comment. Jewish people attend public school just like anyone else. Not all Jewish people are orthodox religious, that they send their kids to yeshivot. In fact, most Jewish people are not orthodox. I will tell you this, the overwhelming majority of Jews are not interested in having their children coerced into becoming Christians, through the introduction of school “voluntary meditation.” Nearly all Jews find it a heinous idea to have our kids forcefed another's religion. Each religion should worship its religion on its own time, and not on someone else’s time and turf. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/25/2005 5:53:48 PM | At sarita
you keep insinuating that i'm trying to ram christianity down the throats of those who are Not christian YET there is NOT one sentence in any of my posts that shows that!!!!.....so i will ask you who the ignorant one is!!!!!!!!!........in addition you misconstrued my whole point about school prayer........it is NOT about improving mental health as much as it is in trying to help kids develop a conscience!!.....having a conscience is what the very essence of being human is....and this is a common thread in virtually all religions!!!........without a conscience, an individual will never have the sensitivity that is needed when dealing with the problems of humanity.......as i've stated, the values that kids espouse nowadays are largely steeped in selfishness and materialism [which cuts across most cultures, race and even economic strata!]....this in turn will be transmuted onto the society that these very kids will embody one day!!!!
if you are saying that the decadence in our youth is due to corporate sponsored urban sprawl then i think you are seriously out of touch with reality (if not outright confused)....corporate welfare as you put has been going on since FDR's 'new deal' took place (and probably even earlier than that)......the fact that kids are the way they are today is largely because of a LACK OF PARENTING!....which in turn is a by-product of a "ME-SOCIETY"........an African tribal proverb goes "it takes a man to father a child but it takes a village to raise him"....when i was a kid, everybody in the neighborhood knew one another, everyone would keep an eye on what was going on with everyone's kids, and my parents knew it and re-ciprocated....now families have alienated themselves from one another stemming from an attitude of superiority which in turn was borne of the individualism and "one ups-manship" that was spawn in the 60's and 70's!
as far as jewish kids are concerned......i grew up in a largely middle class town with a sizable jewish population.......but whose numbers were NOT reflected by public school enrollment of their kids.....i had 1-2 friends who were jewish and who told me that if their parents had the means, they would have put them in private schools in a heart-beat, i found this out because it was harder for them to get dates from jewish girls because they looked down at the jewish guys who were in public schools!!!!!!........the fact is, most jewish families are of good financial means and they have the capacity to place their kids into private schools so they rarely have to contemplate such an issue as school prayer......in my area, there are several very elite communities where jewish families do send their kids to public schools, such as Chappaqua (a village now made famous as the NY residence of Bill and Hilary clinton), but unlike many middle and lower class communities....there is strong parenting there already......which stems from their own culture and mores!!!!
btw.....i don't know anything about spain, given the cultural differences i doubt their system is applicable for comparison to the US.......however, since you think that things there are so great (as you seemingly alluded to in various other threads) then what the heck are you doing here!!!!
since i have little hope that you'll fathom anything i've said here objectively, i don't think that i'll pursue this topic(which doesn't even belong in this thread) for any further discussion, so whether or not you wanna bother posting a reply is entirely up to you! | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/25/2005 8:31:16 PM | | No need to answer the 46 year old fool, whose brain capacity still at kindergarten level and can't make a plain distinction. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/26/2005 8:06:37 AM | you keep insinuating that i'm trying to ram christianity down the throats of those who are Not christian
You are trying to ram Christianity down the throats of non-Christians. The only ones trying to get school prayer into schools in the U.S. are Christians. If they were trying to be FAIR, and not shove Christianity down everyone's throat, they’d be campaigning for Muslims to lead prayers in schools one day in their way, Hindus another day with silent mediation, Buddhists another day with breathing meditation, Jews another day with prayers, Christians another day with their own thing. No one but the Christians want to introduce any sort of prayer into the school. The rest of the religions want NO RELIGION, NO MEDITATION, NO ANYTHING in schools. Ergo, since you are in favor of prayer in schools, or, as you Christians are now calling it, “voluntary meditation”, then yes, you are trying to instill your beliefs down the throats of people who are not Christian.
Thank you for offering your religion, but we reject it. 
.it is NOT about improving mental health as much as it is in trying to help kids develop a conscience!!
And my response to you is, how could my kids becoming Christian or doing that Christian voluntary meditation, lead to a bigger conscience? All my kids would have to do is take one look at the history of Christians, and see how they burned perfectly innocent people by accusing them of being “witches”, how they tortured and killed Jews, how they killed even Muslims, how they killed and killed and killed. Now, how does that translate to conscience? Ahem! As I said, each person should keep his or her own religion and stop assaulting others with it.
....having a conscience is what the very essence of being human is
Agreed, but American Christians forcing prayer in schools is not the way to create a conscience. Spanish people do not have prayer in schools, and there is a far greater sense of conscience among the people there. I think it’s a trick that Christians are using, to claim that it’s a way to increase conscience. All that Christians want is for their religion to be forced down everyone’s kids’ throat. Non-Christians reject it. This has been amply shown.
if you are saying that the decadence in our youth is due to corporate sponsored urban sprawl then i think you are seriously out of touch with reality
I strongly encourage you to do searches on google and start researching topics on urban sprawl and what the effects have been upon the extended family, community, and neighborhoods. Or, you could skip the research and continue to live in a deluded fashion.
corporate welfare as you put has been going on since FDR's 'new deal' took place (and probably even earlier than that)
I didn’t say social security, I didn’t say welfare programs to help individuals. I didn’t say business help to small businesses. I said free money to corporations. Money is leaving our pockets at breakneck speed and ending up in the pockets of the mega-corporations of the Cheneys and all the other mega-rich Americans who own corporations. I’m tired of my tax money being used as charity for the Bushes, the Cheneys, and all the other right wing extremist mega-zillionaires.
.....the fact that kids are the way they are today is largely because of a LACK OF PARENTING! ....which in turn is a by-product of a "ME-SOCIETY"
The “ME” society is a product of the right wing extremist belief that each one is on his own, to make his life as best he can, to struggle and work endlessly to reach the fake American dream. It’s a product of the Old West cowboy mentality, where it’s the cowboy and his gun against the world, the cowboy and his gun against the First Nation people, the cowboy and his gun against the strangers that came near his house, the cowboy and his gun against everyone, just his gun and him. It’s a rather sick little “ME” society, but it’s a product of the right wingers from way back. That’s the “ME” society. Add to that Ford, who destroyed the rails so he could make the country dependant upon cars, add to that the mega-rich developers, who swallowed up land for distant suburban developments, land that should have been left intact for ecological purposes, add to that the power given by the mega-rich to their mega-rich corporations, allowing them to swallow up ma and pa businesses, and cause only corporations to survive, so we’re all subject to working for them, and you’ve got a frikkin’ mess, no neighborhoods, no extended families nearby, no community, no anything. Just the cowboy and his gun. Enjoy. Shoot away. 
as far as jewish kids are concerned......i grew up in a largely middle class town with a sizable jewish population.......but whose numbers were NOT reflected by public school enrollment of their kids.....i had 1-2 friends who were jewish and who told me that if their parents had the means, they would have put them in private schools in a heart-beat , i found this out because it was harder for them to get dates from jewish girls because they looked down at the jewish guys who were in public schools!!!!!!........the fact is, most jewish families are of good financial means
I love it when non-Jews sit there and try to explain Jews to me. It’s kinda funny. As for Jews being rich, I’ve heard this before from Nazis. It’s a very common insult against Jews, by people who have no frikkin’ idea about Jews, who think all of us are mega-rich without knowing a frikkin’ thing about us, and as far as I’m concerned, it’s so ignorant that it’s not worth wasting my time on someone that ignorant.  | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/26/2005 10:14:26 AM | logically, it can't be an evil religion...it would not have grown if it were.....It does have evil factions in it...These factions must be purged...and the purging MUST come from the adherents to the Muslim religion...if it comes from anywhere else, it will only be seen as oppression...and if seen as oppression, JIHAD.
In reality, it isn't realy as much of an evil religion, in as much as it is a failure to communicate with the Arab league. Most if this stems from historic Sultanism. For the majority of you that are going, HUH?!! I will explain. Power, is the only thing that modern day Islam and the Arab league understand. In short. what you tell them is- You do what I say or else im going to put my foot in your A$$. And don't just say it. back it up with a show of force. Just think, For some of you bleeding heart liberal sissys, that will be a few less Arab Women getting beat up every night. ought to make you happy. the major trouble with our Milatary geting bogged down over there, is largly due to the fact that Americans don't know how to occupy a forign country. Must be that bleeding heart liberals thing creeping up again. Sadam Hussen knew this well. He occupied his country for more than thirty years. This is how the Arab league would deal with you if they were the Nation in power. I have studied and observed this for years now. You can't go in and fight a pretty war, anywhere. and if you do. That only invites the Muslim's to veiw it as oppression. Because thats exactly what it is. to get the kind of results you want or need, you will have to do nothing short of occupy like German Nazis, going from door to door, Quite literally breaking the backs of any kind of opposition you find. To these people, Deplomacy is simply viewed as weekness, and will eventualy lead to a nuclear exchange in the middle east. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/26/2005 2:04:05 PM | Power, is the only thing that modern day Islam and the Arab league understand. In short. what you tell them is- You do what I say or else im going to put my foot in your A$$.
^^^ What an incredibly ignorant comment. It had to be a Texas resident. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/26/2005 2:52:48 PM | u dont know muslims sundown33
their believe in the Creator is what gets them going. Allah is the Lord and true source of power. read Quran with an open mind and u might start sharing the truth
these ppl have no weapon or aircraft to erase entire cities like west is doing and have done (nagasaki, chechnya etc) so they kill themselves if they have weapons like the power houses they dont have to kill themselves to liberate themselves of the oppression thats how strong their belief is the t word is like the f word whenu dont wanna go to the real issues like corrupt leaders put their by hungry big cmpanies to usurp the resources they use the t word but its not insane there is a reason but the reason is too dangerous to shed light on in post sept 11 uni polar stupid texas world
i wish u can go urself to do what u r saying and then u will see
i couldnt agree more that arab leaguie and current muslim leaders are not representing their people or islam they are corrupt and brutal oppressors and when the ppl get the power these rulers will be hanging with some tree or tank like najib in afghanistan was
the likes of Islam Karimov or dostum or zainul abideen are the worst of humans and calling them adherent of islam is making mockery of any religion let alone islam
for now u can enjoy this "http://www.anasheed.com/artist/yusufislam.html" and a is for Allah is real good though the right words would be a is for the word Allah | |
|
Nibe
| | Joined: 6/17/2005
Msg: 468 | |
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/26/2005 4:35:56 PM | | I NO NOTIN ABOOT ISLAM OR TIS PEOPPLE | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/26/2005 5:17:41 PM | at sundown
i fully agree with your comments in your first paragraph.....i also agree with what you say about sultanism........and would agree also that the US does NOT know how to occupy a country......however, i don't think a heavy handed approach would work because this would have alienated much of europe and would have caused outrage in most moderate islamic countries such as egypt and even kuwait....Bush admin., mistakenly believed that we would be hailed as liberators in iraq so they foolishly omitted an Exit strategy, but with all of the factions in that country and each has its own agenda is why there is meyhem now....they should have known better!
btw......don't let some pompous a$$ fool belittle you....this person just likes to hear herself pontificate yet side-steps any issues put forth....a blind man can see better than some of these fools can! | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/26/2005 5:29:40 PM | at hilarious
read Quran with an open mind and u might start sharing the truth
-------------
maybe its the clerics, mullas, etc who run some of these islamic states who should be reading the quran with an "open mind".......it is up to them to properly and accurately represent their religion IF they put an islamic title in front of their country's name!
"big companies" cannot just walk into an Islamic country.......they are usually INVITED in!...these gulf nations have a product to sell!!!!!.....and they do not discriminate who they sell oil to as long as they get the money............if they don't want to have western style business then they always have the option NOT to do business with the US the same way they choose not to do business with Israel/Jews! | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/26/2005 5:37:51 PM |
btw......don't let some pompous a$$ fool belittle you....this person just likes to hear herself pontificate yet side-steps any issues put forth....a blind man can see better than some of these fools can!
Actually, I've replied to your alleged arguments ad nauseaum. Everyone else in here has read my responses to you. You either are short on reading comprehension, or evading anything that counteracts your right wing desire to force Christian mythology into public schools. In either case, your lack of understanding is not my problem, it's yours. My only problem regarding this topic, is making damned sure you don't get to forcefeed your religion down my throat, the throats of my people, or that of my country. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/26/2005 5:50:57 PM | at sarita
what is your country "du-jour" today?.......i believe yesterday it was Spain! | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/26/2005 6:03:16 PM | Sarita attempts to quelch free speech.
Sarita's words:
"Ergo, since you are in favor of prayer in schools, or, as you Christians are now calling it, “voluntary meditation”, then yes, you are trying to instill your beliefs down the throats of people who are not Christian."
-----------------------------------------
comment: so, even voluntary prayer, student initiated, is wrong? You are apparently attempting to obstruct free speech, Senorita Sarita. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/26/2005 6:20:42 PM | Sarita attempts to quelch free speech.
Yes??? Gee, and here I thought you were expressing yourself freely. I’ve stopped you?
comment: so, even voluntary prayer, student initiated, is wrong?
If student-initiated sacrifice of animals for the practice of a religious Santeria service is permitted in the classroom, then sure, Christians can also initiate their own service. So can Satanists, so can Hindus, so can Buddhists, so can Muslims, so can Jews, so can all who have some sort of a religion, regardless of whether you like the religion or not.
You don’t get it do you? You can’t force 1 religion’s prayers and beliefs upon school Either you allow any and all religions to practice their beliefs during class, or you allow NONE.
Actually, and for your information, the Santeria religion involves and includes the smoking of a huge tobacco cigar during the service, so kids would be smoking a huge spliff-sized cigar in the classroom as part of their worship. How would you like THAT?  Safer to have no worships or prayers or silent meditations at all, huh? | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/26/2005 8:09:49 PM | Saritamiami's words are entertaining at best. As one who argues against descrimination. she turns around and descriminates against Texas. Just proves how uninteligent she is, with her go no where, motor of the mouth keyboard. She strikes me as someone who is in love with her own words.
Hilariousdog's words are as dust and dry sand, quinching no ones thurst for inlightenment.
Be happy im not the one in power.
Sure a heavy hand will alinate us from europe. but news flash. we were already alinated
well before 911.
Back in the 1300's Islam used to mean something, Now its just a religion for America hateing
Idiots. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/26/2005 8:24:25 PM | Followers of islam are sadly misguided. Muhammed's "vision" of the Angel Gabrial, was nothing more than a way to seperate the Arab culture from the Judao=Christian culture on a "spiritual" level. I firmly believe that Muhammed is one of the false prophets of which Christ warnes. This also holds true for those who have persicuted Jews, Muslims, Christians, Catholic, Protestant, etc, etc, etc. in the name of any idiology, including "religion" itself. Abraham and Sara were inpatient with God about producing a bloodline, ol abe slept with his Egyptian maid to produce Ishmial, the father of the Arab race. Some argue that the same inpatience led to the establishment of the new Isreal (which was prophacy) before its time. This has fostered the cultural hatred for my country by most Arab countries, but is no excuse for the hatred expressed by our neighbors to the north for whom we have provided a security blanket for the past sixty years. As a Christian, I see Jews as my bretheran, and Islam as a false religion.
Capt | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/26/2005 8:36:24 PM | | ^^^^This is also a good point, as it is the Muslims that believe that ishmial had the burth right instead os Isaac. God did predict that Ishmial would be the father of a great nation, but also predicted that he would be a wild a$$, and that his hand would be upon every mans throat, and every mans hand would be upon his throat. there are millions of those wild a$$es, in much of that part of the world, today. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/26/2005 10:44:39 PM | | Wow-sure is a lot of hate in this forum.I think I will stay out of this one and I suggest you all do the same.Blood pressure is a health issue you know.Before long all your heads are gonna explode...lol. | |
|
|
|
|
Page
18
of
21 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21)
|
|
Home
login 