|
|
|
|
|
| | is Islam an Page 19 of 21 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21) | at jimmy^^^
just because there are serious disagreements here doesn't make it 'hateful'....pple have strong feelings about what they believe even though some are mis-guided! | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/27/2005 8:13:01 AM |
Saritamiami's words are entertaining at best. As one who argues against descrimination. she turns around and descriminates against Texas. Just proves how uninteligent she is, with her go no where, motor of the mouth keyboard. She strikes me as someone who is in love with her own words.
Sundown, you’re absolutely right. I stand corrected.  I should not have bashed the entire state of Texas. Not everyone in Texas is a scumbag. In fact, some of the most awesome liberals live in Texas. Having to deal with the rest of the trash has made them very strong liberals. I love them. And I think you meant, “discrimination”, “discriminates”, and “unintelligent.”
Hilariousdog's words are as dust and dry sand, quinching no ones thurst for inlightenment.
Be happy im not the one in power.
Wow! That sounds so scary to me!  “Be happy I’m not the one in power.” Sounds like Little Man Syndrome. It also reminds me of that adage, “Tell me what you boast of, and I’ll tell you what you lack.” I also think you meant, “quenching”, “thirst”, and “enlightenment.”
Sure a heavy hand will alinate us from europe. but news flash. we were already alinated
well before 911.
I think you meant “alienated.” The U.S. has not always been alienated from Europe. It’s certainly alienated with the piece of illiterate trash in the White House. The fact that he was put in power by equally illiterate trash is very much the reason Europe sees us all as illiterate hicks, when the fact is, half this country is not made up of illiterates.  | |
|
| I suggest you all study Islam comprehensivley before commenting
Posted: 8/27/2005 11:59:08 AM | Islam is not a religion of peace. I studied it for 3 years during the time I was engaged to a Muslim. I was thinking about converting until I came across the rules of Islam regarding non-muslims. Please check these verses in the Koran.
http://www.angelfire.com/moon/yoelnatan/koranwarpassages.htm#vertical
Then read up on Islamic history, Umar El Khaatab and the Pact of Omar.
Muhamed taught these people that the world is split into 2 parts.
Dar El Islam = The land of Islam and
Dar El Harb = The land of War
Muslims have a special "salat" (prayer) to ask Allah to destroy non muslims. Is that peaceful? The muslims are indoctrinated with this ideology from birth. It is like salt in thier soul. Their spirit is made up of disdain for anyone not muslim.
My dear non-muslims, study islam comprehensivley and then get into a muslim community and see what you find. Allah was a biggoted tyrant. Muslim dictators think they are Muhamed. | |
|
| I suggest you all study Islam comprehensivley before commenting
Posted: 8/27/2005 6:05:57 PM | "My dear non-muslims, study Islam comprehensivley"
Thank you for your personal insight into Islam. Perhaps a study of Islam would be helpful, if only for the purpose of gaining additional insight into a culture which insists upon being my enemy.
Gapt | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/27/2005 10:19:45 PM | Ha ha ha saritamiami you got me. I just see the error of my ways. Im just so glad I
Have your arrogant motor of the mouth typing to help us along. I hate to break your heart baby doll, but I’m not a hick, and you know nothing of Texas. And you’re sure not changing anyones mind here about you, Fuktard Europe, or Islam.
You think you’re so cute with your cheep corrections. And your beliefs. But at least I am glad that you were smart enough to get the point anyway. You should go and take your bull shit to a dictator like Saddam Hussein or Osama Ben Laden see how far you get with them. That I’d love to see. The fact is that you were not that important for me to worry about my spelling. However I do find you entertaining so keep going sweetie.
I have nothing better to do ;)
How was my spelling this time honey? | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/27/2005 11:30:21 PM | Hi,
You may not like islam however i can clarify the misleading concepts in your post.
1) Muhammed PBUH never declared war as Changez Khan did. He would send his ambassadors to different tribes/kingdoms and ask the leader/king to either embrace islam, become a denominator and pay taxes or become an enemy and face war.
If they agreed to become muslims well & good, if they agreed to pay taxes then there was no war and in fact there were quite a few tribes who agreed to pay taxes without facing the war and they used to do business with muslim traders etc. Point is, Muhammed tried to expand the muslim base and by this he actually spread Islam to different corners of world.
2) Muhammed PBUH portrayed an example. Let me explain, during the early days of islam there were numourous wars fought and many women became widows, to help these women and children an secure a good life, he set an example of marrying them. This example led others to do the same. Even today in muslim countries it is considered a great rewarding thing to help women who have been devastated due to loss of their significant others. However you must note that there were rules established and conditions set out before somebody was given permission to get into polygamy. | |
|
Millan
| | Joined: 5/27/2005
Msg: 485 | |
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/28/2005 1:56:07 AM | | screw islam...really..the worst religious bunch of 'em all.. if I may speak my honest mind. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/28/2005 3:24:19 AM | screw islam...really..the worst religious bunch of 'em all.. if I may speak my honest mind.
What do you suppose is the best, Buddhism? | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/28/2005 7:11:45 AM | Faraz, you said...............
"You may not like islam however i can clarify the misleading concepts in your post"
So, this post is supposed to endear Islam to non-Muslims? Islam was borne out of the Arab culture's viseral hatred for the Jewish culture and the ongoing dispute over the area we all refer to as "The Holey Land". Your post only serves to reinforce the truth about Islam's violent beginnings, and ongoing culture of blood, and hate.
Capt | |
|
| I suggest you all study Islam comprehensivley before commenting
Posted: 8/28/2005 7:47:01 AM | Thanks for the link Dutchlady.
Gave me a bit of a perspective on Islam, which I honestly don't know much about. I did have a muslim friend once who was a great guy. Seemed very much at peace and was very devout. He didn't talk of violence the way some of those passages do, he talked more of peace and understanding. So I suppose, like all groups of people you are going to have extremists and non.
However asking an American is Islam is evil is like asking a fish if he likes water. Because of 9-11, and the American media there is a slanted view of Islam south of the border. Unfortunately one of America's biggest problems is that their society tends to be racist. Not everyone, just a generality.
Peace | |
|
| I suggest you all study Islam comprehensivley before commenting
Posted: 8/28/2005 8:26:55 AM | at admit
not to say that there isn't any racism here in the US, but we are a very tolerant society and we have allowed pple from all over the world to settle here (unlike canada, which up until not too long ago, favored those from britain and france).......we allow pple to worship whatever god they wish, and preach to whomever (unlike in islamic countries).......unlike what you think, most americans don't think islam is evil, but they do feel that it is intolerant of others because the religious laws imposed in islamic countries depict just that.........whether or not these laws represent 'true' islamic principles in not clear to most westerners....we just know that they are the guardians of their own faith and they are supposed to speak for it....so if someone like osama Binladin engages in terrorist attacks against the US and he is NOT uniformly denounced in islamic countries then he is given some credibility....it is things like this that are cause for concern! | |
|
Millan
| | Joined: 5/27/2005
Msg: 490 | |
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/28/2005 9:01:46 AM |
What do you suppose is the best, Buddhism?
..none. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/28/2005 10:04:15 AM | Well Capt,
Religion is personal matter and you have your right to believe in whatever you think is best for you. I was only trying to clear a statement, even like yours which misleads and have no background.
You are dead wrong capt that Islam was created out of hate. At the time Islam came out as a religion Christainity and Judaism had already failed to spread as a universal religion (cult following yes they were there), people had already gone to paganism. It came as a source to relieve the humanity from the clutches of evil.
Islam tells me to respect Jesus and Moses as holy prophets nothing else. So do i hate christains or Jews hell no. You have to remeber that hate is deriving the world in to the chaos we are in now.
About Holy Land well it is as close to my heart as yours.
About Islam's violent beginnings read the post on page 1 by Osama 84.
Peace. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/28/2005 10:27:36 AM | Sundown33
In reality, it isn't realy as much of an evil religion, in as much as it is a failure to communicate with the Arab league. Most if this stems from historic Sultanism. For the majority of you that are going, HUH?!! I will explain. Power, is the only thing that modern day Islam and the Arab league understand. In short. what you tell them is- You do what I say or else im going to put my foot in your A$$. And don't just say it. back it up with a show of force. Just think, For some of you bleeding heart liberal sissys, that will be a few less Arab Women getting beat up every night. ought to make you happy. the major trouble with our Milatary geting bogged down over there, is largly due to the fact that Americans don't know how to occupy a forign country. Must be that bleeding heart liberals thing creeping up again. Sadam Hussen knew this well. He occupied his country for more than thirty years. This is how the Arab league would deal with you if they were the Nation in power.
The important thing is if you could even manage to get in to an Islamic country and force your foot down someone's azz. I don't think you are not familiar with the term self defense, as if those people are sitting there watching you do it. Bush hasn't managed to control a small number of so called insurgents yet. He puts a pole up his own azz every morning thinking of a way to run a way from Iraq.
I have studied and observed this for years now. You can't go in and fight a pretty war, anywhere. and if you do. That only invites the Muslim's to veiw it as oppression. Because thats exactly what it is. to get the kind of results you want or need, you will have to do nothing short of occupy like German Nazis, going from door to door, Quite literally breaking the backs of any kind of opposition you find. To these people, Deplomacy is simply viewed as weekness, and will eventualy lead to a nuclear exchange in the middle east.
Very thoughtful idea!!! I think you should work for Bush. He might even give you raise!!! The American army with all its might and glory can't manage to get rid of a few insurgents there in Iraq, forget about Iran and other countries. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/28/2005 10:28:50 AM | nibe
I NO NOTIN ABOOT ISLAM OR TIS PEOPPLE
You don't know about your own religion either. Don't worry, be happy!!!  | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/28/2005 10:53:18 AM | captgordo
Followers of islam are sadly misguided. Muhammed's "vision" of the Angel Gabrial, was nothing more than a way to seperate the Arab culture from the Judao=Christian culture on a "spiritual" level.
You don't have any substantial evidence to even back up your own claim. It is like shouting for Christians that Jesus never existed without a proof!!! What a strong statement from a wise individual!!!!
I firmly believe that Muhammed is one of the false prophets of which Christ warnes. This also holds true for those who have persicuted Jews, Muslims, Christians, Catholic, Protestant, etc, etc, etc. in the name of any idiology, including "religion" itself.
What you need to do is instead of reading the New Testament full of contradictions all over it with Mark, Matthew, Luke and John copying from one another with no presence of any holy spirit, go back to the very oldest version of the Bible that you could find and compare it to the newest version and see what people have shoved down their ideas that you can't even compare the old with the new.
Here is some proof for you about Muhammad.
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
If this prophecy refers to Jesus because Jesus was like Moses . Moses was a Jew, as well as Jesus was a Jew. Moses was a Prophet and Jesus was also a Prophet.
If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after Moses, such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. will fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets. However, it is Muhammad who is like Moses:
i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus was born miraculously without any male intervention.
[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 ]
ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.
iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus has been raised up
Muhammad is from among the brethren of Moses . Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac . The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac.
a. Words in the mouth:
Muhammad was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from God he repeated them verbatim.
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
[Deuteronomy 18:18]
iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).
v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus was rejected by his people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."
iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).
2. It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19
"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."
3. Muhammad is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:
It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."
When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".
4. Muhammad mentioned by name in the old testament:
Prophet Muhammad is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."
"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."
In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Muhammad to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Muhammad as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Muhammad is yet present.
Prophet Muhammad in the New Testament:
All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.
1. John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."
2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
3. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".
"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet Muhammad who is a mercy for all creatures.
Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. What they fail to realise though is that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad.
4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to Muhammad.
Abraham and Sara were inpatient with God about producing a bloodline, ol abe slept with his Egyptian maid to produce Ishmial, the father of the Arab race. Some argue that the same inpatience led to the establishment of the new Isreal (which was prophacy) before its time. This has fostered the cultural hatred for my country by most Arab countries, but is no excuse for the hatred expressed by our neighbors to the north for whom we have provided a security blanket for the past sixty years. As a Christian, I see Jews as my bretheran, and Islam as a false religion.
If you claim that Islam is a false religion, back it up with some facts. If you make a comparison of proven modern scientific facts to history of Christianity and Judaism, this is what you find.
Creation of the Universe in Six Days
As per the Bible, in the first book of Genesis in Chapter One, the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period. The creation of the universe has taken billions of years, which proves false or contradicts the concept of the Bible which states that the creation of the Universe took six days of twenty-four hour durations each.
Sun Created After the Day
The Bible says in chapter 1, verses 3-5, of Genesis that the phenomenon of day and night was created on the first day of creation of the Universe by God. The light circulating in the universe is the result of a complex reaction in the stars; these stars were created according to the Bible (Genesis chapter 1 verse 14 to 19) on the fourth day. It is illogical to mention the result that is the light (the phenomenon of day and night) was created on the first day of Creation when the cause or source of the light was created three days later. Moreover the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation around the sun.
Creation of the Sun, The Earth and the Moon
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 9 to 13, the earth was created on the third day, and as per verses 14 to 19, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day. The earth and the moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the Sun. Hence to place the creation of the sun and the moon after the creation of the earth is contrary to the established idea about the formation of the solar system.
Vegetation Created on the third day and Sun on the fourth day
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the Bible?
The Sun and the Moon both Emit light
According to the Bible both the sun and the moon emit their own light. In the Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verse 16 says, "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night".
Science tells us today that the moon does not have its own light. This confirms the Qur’anic concept that the light of the moon is a reflected light. To think that 1400 years ago, Prophet Muhummad corrected these scientific errors in the Bible and then copied such corrected passages in the Qur’an is to think of something impossible.
ADAM, THE FIRST MAN ON EARTH, LIVED 5,800 YEARS AGO
As per the genealogy of Jesus Christ given in the Bible, from Jesus through Abraham to the first man on earth i.e. Adam, Adam appeared on the earth approximately 5800 years ago:
a. 1948 years between Adam (pbuh) and Abraham (pbuh)
b. Approximately 1800 years between Abraham (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh)
c. 2000 years from Jesus (pbuh) till today
These figures are further confused by the fact that the Jewish calendar is currently on or about 5800 years old.
There is sufficient evidence from archaeological and anthropological sources to suggest that the first human being on earth was present tens of thousands of years ago and not merely 5,800 years ago as is suggested by the Bible.
The Qur’an too speaks about Adam as the first man on earth but it does not suggest any date or period of his life on earth, unlike the Bible - what the Bible says in this regard is totally incompatible with science. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/28/2005 10:55:20 AM | Sundown33
^^^^This is also a good point, as it is the Muslims that believe that ishmial had the burth right instead os Isaac. God did predict that Ishmial would be the father of a great nation, but also predicted that he would be a wild a$$, and that his hand would be upon every mans throat, and every mans hand would be upon his throat. there are millions of those wild a$$es, in much of that part of the world, today.
Back up your claim with some verses from religious texts. It is like I will shout that Sundown is an azzho.... without any backup.
 | |
|
| I suggest you all study Islam comprehensivley before commenting
Posted: 8/28/2005 11:02:55 AM | dutchlady_us
Islam is not a religion of peace. I studied it for 3 years during the time I was engaged to a Muslim. I was thinking about converting until I came across the rules of Islam regarding non-muslims. Please check these verses in the Koran.
http://www.angelfire.com/moon/yoelnatan/koranwarpassages.htm#vertical
Nice out of context verses here!!! Nice job dutch lady. You must have been living with some Taliban leader that you were trying to get engaged with who had no idea of what Islam is all about!!! If you need some clarification of those verses, you need to read the verse that comes before that "Out of context verse" and the verse after it as well and see what it says to fully understand it in concept. Here is some information for you about the Bible and its terrorsim.
Let me mention just a few verses from the Old Testament and New Testament and tell me what do you say about them:
“When the LORD your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you. And when the LORD your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them. (Deutronomy 7:1-2)
“When you approach a city to fight against it, you shall offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. When the LORD your God gives it into your hand, you shall strike all the men in it with the edge of the sword. Only the women and the children and the animals and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall use the spoil of your enemies which the LORD your God has given you… Only in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes (Deuteronomy 20:10-17)
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17-18)
Even in the New Testament we read the following statements attributed to Jesus saying to his disciples:
“I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence. (Luke 19:26-27)
"Do not think that I have come to send peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10:34-35)
Then read up on Islamic history, Umar El Khaatab and the Pact of Omar.
Muhamed taught these people that the world is split into 2 parts.
Dar El Islam = The land of Islam and
Dar El Harb = The land of War
There is no such concept in Islam. That must be some teaching from your Talib husband. Back up your claim by citing the names of those books and information. Until then, it is considered a baseless claim that everyone is entitled to have one.
Muslims have a special "salat" (prayer) to ask Allah to destroy non muslims. Is that peaceful? The muslims are indoctrinated with this ideology from birth. It is like salt in thier soul. Their spirit is made up of disdain for anyone not muslim.
My dear non-muslims, study islam comprehensivley and then get into a muslim community and see what you find. Allah was a biggoted tyrant. Muslim dictators think they are Muhamed.
Show me that prayer. Until then your claim is considered baseless as it lacks substantial evidence. | |
|
| I suggest you all study Islam comprehensivley before commenting
Posted: 8/28/2005 11:07:20 AM | admitone
Thanks for the link Dutchlady.
Gave me a bit of a perspective on Islam, which I honestly don't know much about. I did have a muslim friend once who was a great guy. Seemed very much at peace and was very devout. He didn't talk of violence the way some of those passages do, he talked more of peace and understanding. So I suppose, like all groups of people you are going to have extremists and non.
However asking an American is Islam is evil is like asking a fish if he likes water. Because of 9-11, and the American media there is a slanted view of Islam south of the border. Unfortunately one of America's biggest problems is that their society tends to be racist. Not everyone, just a generality.
Peace
All those verses are out of context. They have cut and pasted verses without knowing the fact that it tells you the story of a war that happened before Islam and during Islam. None of them refers to commandments of killing people. | |
|
| |
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/28/2005 12:20:28 PM |
Muhammed PBUH portrayed an example. Let me explain, during the early days of islam there were numourous wars fought and many women became widows, to help these women and children an secure a good life, he set an example of marrying them. This example led others to do the same. Even today in muslim countries it is considered a great rewarding thing to help women who have been devastated due to loss of their significant others. However you must note that there were rules established and conditions set out before somebody was given permission to get into polygamy.
Hey Faraz, I have a question for you. Those Islamics that marry more than one wife, do they only have sex with 1 wife, or do they get to have sex with all of them? | |
|
| I suggest you all study Islam comprehensivley before commenting
Posted: 8/28/2005 12:24:52 PM |
Ha ha ha. All of you apologists are dhimmi. Sure, keep apologizing for Islam and see what happens to you. I suggest you keep studying Islam. Go look at your fate.
Dutch, do you have an Islamic background, or you study it?
Question: Are you a backer of Gush Katif?
If so..  | |
|
| I suggest you all study Islam comprehensivley before commenting
Posted: 8/28/2005 12:32:37 PM | Dutch
Ha ha ha. All of you apologists are dhimmi. Sure, keep apologizing for Islam and see what happens to you. I suggest you keep studying Islam. Go look at your fate.
This subject line is specifically designed for you to study any religion before you comment on it. All your points are baseless in the above post as they have no substantial evidence. If you want to discuss each one of them, then lay them down on here so that they could be discussed with you. | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/28/2005 12:40:16 PM | Saritamiami
Hey Faraz, I have a question for you. Those Islamics that marry more than one wife, do they only have sex with 1 wife, or do they get to have sex with all of them?
They get sex with all of them, but not all together in the same room. They just follow traditional Judaism. Don't forget the Orthodox Jews. Their come back is imminent and you will see open Polygamy. Polygamy is a Jewish institution. It is practiced, albeit underground, in Israel today.
This Mishnah addresses a man with two wives:
MISHNAH. IF A MAN WAS MARRIED TO TWO WIVES AND THEY DIED, AND SUBSEQUENTLY HE HIMSELF DIED, AND THE ORPHANS [OF ONE OF THE WIVES] CLAIM THEIR MOTHER'S KETHUBAH [BUT THE ESTATE OF THE DECEASED HUSBAND] IS ONLY ENOUGH [FOR THE SETTLEMENT OF THE] TWO KETHUBAHS [ALL THE ORPHANS] RECEIVE EQUAL SHARES.
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 91a
Soncino 1961 Edition page 582
This Mishnah addresses a man with three wives:
MISHNAH. IF A MAN WHO WAS MARRIED TO THREE WIVES DIED, AND THE KETHUBAH OF ONE WAS A MANEH, OF THE OTHER TWO HUNDRED ZUZ, AND OF THE THIRD THREE HUNDRED ZUZ AND THE ESTATE [WAS WORTH] ONLY ONE MANEH [THE SUM] IS DIVIDED EQUALLY.
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 93a
Soncino 1961 Edition page 590
This Mishnah addresses a man with four wives:
MISHNAH. IF A MAN WHO WAS MARRIED TO FOUR WIVES DIED, HIS FIRST WIFE TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER THE SECOND, THE SECOND TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER THE THIRD AND THE THIRD OVER THE FOURTH. …
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 93b
Soncino 1961 Edition page 595-595
Here the Sages discuss the justification for marrying multiple wives.
MISHNAH. NEITHER SHALL HE MULTIPLY WIVES TO HIMSELF (4) — ONLY EIGHTEEN. R. JUDAH SAID: HE MAY HAVE MORE, PROVIDED THEY DO NOT TURN AWAY HIS HEART. R. SIMEON SAID: HE MUST NOT MARRY EVEN ONE WHO MAY TURN AWAY HIS HEART. WHY THEN IS IT WRITTEN, NEITHER SHALL HE MULTIPLY WIVES TO HIMSELF? (5) — EVEN THOUGH THEY BE WOMEN LIKE ABIGAIL. (6)
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 21a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 111
If you read the following:
When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me;
Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.
But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.
— Deuteronomy 17:14-17 (KJV)
You can see that Deuteronomy 17:17 concerns limitation on the number of wives permitted to future kings of Israel. However, the Sages appear to understand Deuteronomy 17:17 as a rule for all men. They also understand it to permit rather than prohibit multiple wives.
a. What Is the Limit? 4, 12, 24, 48?
The Sages disagree about the number of wives permitted.
GEMARA. … Rabina objected: Why not assume that 'kahennah' implies twelve, and 'we-kahennah', twenty-four? It has indeed been taught likewise: 'He shall not multiply wives to himself beyond twenty-four.' And according to him who interprets the redundant 'waw', it ought to be forty-eight.
— Tractate Sanhedrin 21a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 113
b. Widow May Be Raped
There is a difference between Old Testament law and Talmud law on levirate marriages.
Under Talmud law, the widow who does not want to take the brother as her husband may be raped, thereby effecting the marriage.
GEMARA. … A YEBAMAH IS ACQUIRED BY INTERCOURSE. Whence do we know [that she is acquired by intercourse? — Scripture saith, [14a] Her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife. Then perhaps she is like a wife in all respects? (6) — You may not think so. For it was taught: I might think that money or deed can complete her acquisition, just as intercourse does; therefore it is written, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her', (7) teaching, intercourse alone completes the acquisition of her, but money or deed does not complete the acquisition of her. Yet perhaps what is the purpose of 'and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her'? It is that he can taker her by force? (8) — If so, Scripture should have stated, 'and perform the duty of a husband's brother', (9) why [add] 'unto her'? Hence both are learnt from it. (10)
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kiddushin 13b-14a
Soncino 1961 Edition page 56 | |
|
| is Islam an
Posted: 8/28/2005 1:02:40 PM | They get sex with all of them, but not all together in the same room.
That's disgusting.
They just follow traditional Judaism.
Jews don't follow polygamy, and haven't done so in thousands of years. Orthodox Jews don't follow polygamy. I'm afraid Islam is left alone, trying to defend its perverted polygamy by using text from its Koran. When are you people going to stop being so backward? Polygamy is sick. Everyone is doing away with it, but you people. What is your problem? Why do you people refuse to move to the 21st century? I think it's because if you did, you'd have to give up your sexually perverse acts and your domination of women. | |
|
|
|
|
Page
19
of
21 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21)
|
|
Home
login 
