| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/15/2004 10:49:41 PM | I have a lot to say but I won't right now....but firstly for everyone who thinks pot is pysically or mentally harmful get your heads out of your grandmother's nursing books. Heres proof that grouping pot in with cigarettes is wrong. The country has many aids patients. Some of them smoke cigarettes, some smoke weed, and some smoke nothing. According to the "real life" studies the cigarette smoking immune compromised patients always died of smoking related disease. The pot smoking immune compromised patients had life expectancies rivaling the non smoking patients. If pot was as bad as cigarettes would it not make sense that both smoking groups would have simillar life expectancies? What about the fact that study after study nowadays is painting a sensible picture of pot. I don't agree with the hard drugs but even a doctor can prescribe derivatives of them. Have you ever noticed that all the initiatives for the say no to drugs campaign always started with a study funded by the government or a drug company? Shouldn't that tell anyone something. A lot of suffering in this world could be helped by making weed legal. Besides maybe the States wouldn't have to have there legal system be the biggest employer in the country.
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/16/2004 12:59:42 AM | i've been sitting here thinking of something....
i had a major pain crisis this weekend, so i had to go into the ER to get better meds than the ones i usually have. i was given mass quantities of morphine via injection and a prescription of oxycontin to take home for later. both drugs have the ability to alter my consciousness so greatly that i'm a hazard when it comes to being able to drive, ect. there is no way on earth i should be allowed to drive? can i? yes...it's perfectly legal. i could barely stand up yesterday because of the drugs...but it was A.OK with the authorities for me to be that way. had i been allowed to, i could have smoked some weed and it would have taken far less weed than morphine to alleviate the pain. i would have been far less altered and far less of a danger. not to mention, that even after just a couple of days of being on it for pain, i'm thinking i could happily spend my life in this particular state of being, that's how addictive the drugs are. however, never ever did i get addicted to pot. i would frequently stop doing it for weeks even months at a time, easily. right now it's been 4 months since i've done it....it's no more of an issue to me than not getting to see a great friend...it's missed, but i'm fine without it. pot is not physically addictive, though possibly mentally addictive.....it feels good, so you want to do it more. like sex, really. no one really complains about the addictiveness of that. why? because mentally addictive is not a problem. you don't feel crappy because you don't get it...you just miss it because you like the feeling. and why is that a bad thing? why is it bad to enjoy spending sometime in a nice, cozy little realm of being? i just can't see it. unless you haven't ever smoked...then i suppose i can see being against it. because you just don't know what it's like...how soothing, how relaxing...how pain free and stress free it is.
anyway, i just needed to put this all down......i spent alot of time here in my drug induced haze thinking about how much i'd rather be a little buzzed instead...at least i could function buzzed. it's hard to not fall off the bed with narcotics. but it's legal! someone explain that to me......i'm confused......or maybe that's the drugs again....lol. | |
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Joined: 10/11/2004
Msg: 103 | |
| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/16/2004 9:35:23 AM | | No1here, you are using facts and statistics. People like Snoug here only like prejudices. They think they have the right to say what someone else does to their body, probably for some quasi-religious notion like they are doing God's work or something. They are fools, total idiots, and not worth educating. But I appreciated what you said. Same with you Kotagirl... you're right of course, but you'll get nowhere with the fascists like Snoug! | |
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dafydd
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Joined: 11/8/2004
Msg: 105 | |
| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/16/2004 10:37:41 AM | I realise that driving under the influence is not the best way to go. I wonder what right any agency of any government has to remove anything from your person, without a court order and your lawyer presnt, (I include pee in this as it is mine). Even then I do not like the government having the power to demand anything of me. I do not like that the government makes the moral rules, when they pander to the lowest common denominator, my sense of fairplay and morals in general are better than any politican that I know of. It seems to me they lie, cheat and steal, which removes their ability to actually legislate morals, which is exactly what smoking pot is.
So should pot be legal? As the government is corrupt, and not worthy of leading, their laws are meaningless, and without moral value, which means go ahead and smoke. | |
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/16/2004 10:43:08 AM | | Hey my Doctor endorses it....If you can't tolerate your meds.. and pot helps you to ..eat..sleep..not puke your guts out ??? Why not ??? God made it ! | |
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Joined: 5/2/2004
Msg: 107 | |
| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/16/2004 10:48:01 AM | Here in Canada, our laws state that you can be impaired with prescription drugs...and if caught driving, you are charged with impaired driving...so it is against the law to be "bombed out" while on orescriptions. Or even over-tired. I've seen this happen in courtrooms...so don't think for a minute that you cannot be impaired just because of drinking.
Someone mentioned that "their sellers" are not criminals, except that they are selling pot. Well...who's the grower? Not ALL growers and sellers are bad...I am first to admit this. I know many pot smokers....the sellers are usually affiliated to growers, who, more often than not, are affiliated with the hmm...somewhat more unsavoury elements of our society. So...buying this stuff from your buyer (unless he's growing it himself) usually means YOU are supporting criminal gangs. I would dare to say that these people on here ridiculing my statements have no clue about the seriousness of this. Biker wars tore through here, leaving dozens of innocents dead, and over 100 bikers. Bars burned to the ground, chuildren killed by car bombs, innocent men and women hit by mistake. So go ahead and tell me again about "raging hippies", etc....then think again about the deaths caused by those wanting control of this market. They don't like competition, so when they find these "independants", often they are either chased out of the business, OR forced to give a cut to them. Think you're NOT supporting criminals? Think again people...you are. | |
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/16/2004 12:27:06 PM | | would there be a black market and criminals if it were legal????? anyone dying over control of tobacco lately? hmmmm???? oh wait, no, it's only pot that there's problems with BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL!!! how can you not see that!!????? there's no problems if anyone can grow it and therefore wouldn't have to buy from a black market dealer. if anyone, anywhere could grow their own pot for their own use, the problem would be solved. you could go out in your back yard, or in to the basement to your hydro set up and take what you need when you need it. it's easy to do, marijuana is a noxious weed, it'll grow anywhere you give it the soil and light.........there'd be no violence, no gangs, none of it. think about it...during prohibition there was huge wars and lots of crime and murder involved with the sale and production of alcohol. because it was illegal and therefore in short supply. when's the last time anyone got offed over a case of whiskey? been a while, eh? why? because it's legal and it's not in short supply anymore...no one cares anymore. why would pot be any different? it wouldn't. it's easier to grow a little bit of pot then it is to distill alcohol. sooo...got any other arguements? they're dropping like flies here..... | |
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/16/2004 12:36:17 PM | | Yna is right. A large portion of the proceeds of pot sales does go towards organized crime. Why do you think it is illegal. More profit. And you don't think the government likes having a reason for having huge policing funds and legal system funds? Without pot a lot of people would not be employed. Look at the penal system in the states. Biggest employer in the country. You don't think certain people in the government profit from this? I also wonder how much the drug companies are putting in to the "say no" campaign? Whether it be studies, advertising, or election funding--you don't think people are making back room millions off of our suffering using the legal system as a means? Please Sheeple- We don't have to instinctually follow those with power. You have more power by thinking for yourself than you can imagine. If you want to argue an issue the only time you really have the right to speak is when you know the facts. If not go crawl back in your hole. I have study after study of facts -- what have you got? A perception? The only way to stop the funding of criminals is to make it legal and take away its value. Make liquor illegal. There could be a lot of money to be made in bootlegging...............Right Mr. Bush? | |
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/16/2004 12:51:49 PM | doubtful it will become legal in our lifetimes....
My opinion is that there are too many legal intoxicants out there now and if marijuana was made legal, it would be even more of a public safety issue insofar as driving is concerned. Jeez... cell phones make it crazy enough.
I smoked weed from 16 to 30... then gave it up.
Yeah, it gets you high, but it also makes you sleepy and when people are wasted they have a hard time doing other things.
I'm a musician and it definitely screwed up my playing when i used it.
It's nice to sit and listen to music though...
Generally it promotes a lifestyle of sitting around analyzing and tripping on things... too unproductive for me and I hope my kids don't get into it... not really dangerous but just a dumb thing to do. | |
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/16/2004 12:58:06 PM | | Its not for everyone..I started in my mid twenties and my life has been way more productive. My anxiety levels used to go into the dangerous area. Not now. I've noticed the people who get dumb when they are high were pretty dumb before the got high. Just an observation. | |
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/16/2004 5:13:35 PM | I don't care if it's legal or not I voted on it, it passed and if the state don't honor it **** em I'm smokin it anyway.. Our goverment doesn't honor sh*t anyway they cheat. Then we got these little backward jaggoffs judging us on line just to piss us off to get a rise in their pants because they can only get a hard on by putting others down.. It's their problem I'm smokin baby they can talk all the crap they want on line but meet me face to face and tell me what you think of me they'd be running down the street so fast trying to get away their mommies would have to clean their diapers out later on... You could run...and you would run.. | |
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/17/2004 1:24:56 PM | I guess what makes me really mad is here we all have our opinions right either yes or no were for or aganist something and we write about it. Then suddenly here's some jaggoff telling us were losers, not attacking the subject but attacking us that aien't right...I say beat this losers ass... | |
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Joined: 4/26/2004
Msg: 114 | |
| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/17/2004 1:34:29 PM | byrd:
Yea they are socialist control mongers. They want to control society and feel people should not be permitted to decide for themselves. In the old days they called them communist or facist. Today it is Fedralism or a better word "Corprotism"... | |
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/17/2004 1:57:03 PM | Corporatism??
corporatoria-fear of big business
corporatisitis-new disease-greed like
corporatenectomy-removal of greed | |
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Joined: 5/2/2004
Msg: 116 | |
| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/18/2004 12:11:33 AM | tobacco....when the prices rise too much for smokes....wow...all of a sudden the Indian reserves on the border have a huge stock of cheap cigs from the States....smuggled in by them. And YES...this little business venture is profitable, AND highly protected. To the point where people DO get killed for horning in on it. So, yes....with tobacco it happens. Booze? Not so much...it is cheap enough.
As far as I am concerned....as soon as they have a roadside test to see if you are high, they WILL legalize it. They are working on that right now. It shouldn't be long.
Then...tax the hell out of it...just like booze, cigs, gas..... | |
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/18/2004 1:44:06 AM | okay..for that matter people will kill people over a pair of shoes...............regardless, the main reason that there's a violent black market for pot is it's illegality.
i feel there should just be a field sobriety test...if you fail it, then piss test positive for pot, it's a dui. it should be strict.....to deter people from driving while high to any extent.
...just lite up, sit back and stay home. you ain't got no where better to be while high than wandering around your head anyway!! | |
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Joined: 11/8/2004
Msg: 118 | |
| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/18/2004 6:05:51 AM | Should pot be legal?
I think it boils down to the government must not be allowed to tell anyone what to do, when it only concerns that person. You can argue that it affects people around you, and therefore it is beyond a personal issue. This a weak arguement, as most people who I know either smoke, have smoked or do not care if you do.
It supports crime. Not if it were legal, notice that you never hear of anyone running numbers now that the government allow lotteries. The government pushed organised crime out and took it over. Tax it. If we handle it the same way we handle beer and wine making they are not going to make much. Roadside test. I am sure they can come up with a breathilizer test for it. | |
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/18/2004 7:04:48 AM | THere really isnt any accurate way to do a road side test.
if you were to do a piss test it would not be valid because you could have smoked the pot like a week before the night you were picked up and it would still show in your piss test..
WIth alcohol every hour (in a normal not diseased liver) one ounce of liqour is metabolized, so if in a 6 hr time period you have 6 beers, you are ok to drive and will blow under a .08..... but if have been smoking pot at all in the past month it will show up, and you may not be under the influence of it at that point.
Hey its pretty easy to get your hands on pot, just dont be stupid about where you are smoking it and where you keep it and its pretty much legal..
I agree i wish it could be like Amsterdam, but here in America freedom has a different meaning than what the dictionary says it is. | |
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/18/2004 4:36:09 PM | First off, I don't smoke weed. I don't like it. I might as well be completely sedated, which is no fun for me. With that said:
Well, I don't buy the "because it's too hard to tax" theory. If we know one thing, it's that the gov't knows how to tax anything they want. The law will change when there are more young people voting than there are baby boomers and older. Nearly everyone born a baby boomer or before was told by Uncle Sam that marijuana was bad and bad people only use it and they bought it. No amount of talking will ever change their minds! They also happen to represent a huge chunk of voters that actually make it to the booths to vote in November. If their congressmen or senator voted in favor of legalizing weed, bye bye big percentage of votes. No legislator is gonna play that game. Wait 20 years when the voting public grew up with weed as a part of their culture and all that will change. When Generation X is middle aged things will change. When legislators see a potential source of tax revenue that won't cost them a huge percentage of their votes laws will change. That is if the alcohol lobbyists don't have as much pull as the constituants.
As far as my opinion, yes legalize it. It is soooo much more harmless than alcohol, it just seems logical. Do we need intoxicants? Probably not. Is there ever gonna be a lack of demand for intoxicants? Probably not? Should we trade one evil for another? Yes, if it is a lesser evil and if there can be no real expectation of an ideal world where nobody wants to experience an altered reality or escape life's painfull realities. Trade booze for weed and maybe a few less kids will get abused and innocent lives will be destroyed. | |
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/18/2004 7:42:11 PM | very respectable stand point. i appreciate the i dont want to do it, but you can, if you want to way of thinking.
the reason it would be hard to tax is the fact that it's very easy to grow yourself in small quantities for your own personal use...thus would be untaxed by the gov't. perhaps if it were still illegal to grow it yourself? i don't know. i really do think the gov'ts issue on the topic is because of the tax thing, for a large part. they aren't very fond of anything they can't make money off of somehow.
but, i do agree with the wait 20 years and see what happens thing. i'm hoping anyway.
woo hoooo skidder!! good post, man! | |
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/19/2004 12:22:32 PM | Thanks Kotagirl!
Let me expand on the taxation thing. Yes, you could grow your own, should you want to, but I think the average Joe would buy his anyway. I lived in NC for 7 years, which is prime tobacco growing ground. I knew a lot of smokers, but nobody who grew their own tobacco. Yes, there is some grandpa somewhere who grows his own tobacco, but that's about it.
Same thing would apply with weed. Yes, it's easy to grow, but most people would buy it out of convenience. First, good bud likes 12 hours light and 12 hours dark and warm weather. This kills any growing for about 8 months of the year for anyplace north of Florida. Now, how good are we modern people at planning ahead and storing enough of the things we consume for 8 months of a year, not too good. Also, for those of us without a green thumb, we aren't gonna bother messing with growing the sh*t when we could run down to the 7 11 and buy a pack of primo bud joints. And lets not forget about all of us who have no place to grow it in the first place, us apartment dwellers. This makes a lot of people who would be buying it, tax revenue extraordinare for Uncle Sam or whatever gov't steals your hard earned dollars.
That's about all I've got for this issue, I wish all of you partakers of the herb good luck with this issue. Hell, might even make the world a better place. | |
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Joined: 4/26/2004
Msg: 123 | |
| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/19/2004 12:58:28 PM |
no1here
Corporatism??
corportaria-fear of big business
corporatisitis- new diease-greed like
corporatenectomy-removal of greed
Yep. That's what I'm saying! Look into it and discover for yourself the true workings of the world.
Their "greed" stems from the fact that they want to control society. I think of it as: social engineering. Its a bad thing and should be fought on every front. It sounds like a conspiracy theory but its not... Its very real and most people don't even think about it. That's the beauty of it? It lets you believe your in control and therefore blinds you to its true agenda.
On the issue of "Pot" then why doesn't the United States just put it to a vote for the people themselves to judge.
It is a Republic in the practice of democracy after all or IS IT????
Be extremely careful if you ask yourself that question you just might have your eyes opened and thus freeing yourself from their assimulation... They fear this the most? | |
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/19/2004 1:03:31 PM | | From a everyday smokers point of view .. I truly feel it should .. everyone does it... I've met more people how smoke then people who don't ... Ciggerattes and booze .... Ciggerattes are bad for you (but I smoke those too) and booze can cause serious accidents.... nobody has ever been killed over weed ... it doesn't make your system shut down like other drugs ... it's not bad for the people who need it .... for example when you get home from work people wanna relax some people have a drink to relax ... I'm not a big drinker I would rather take a couple of tokes chill out and let my thoughts process the days BS .... | |
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| Should weed be legal?
Posted: 11/19/2004 1:45:14 PM | | I think the point most people would acknowledge that have done any research whether pure or applied is that weed should have never been illegal(ized). The fact that Marijuana is referred to as weed demonstrates the subtle effects the words we choose(weed, dope, sticky little budlets of love) have on society's outlook on controversial subjects. If you refer to MJ as a drug then you must also refer to any other psychoactive compound you ingest(nicotine, caffeine, alcohol)as a drug and then the issue becomes really semantically sticky. To imply that a plant as beautiful as Cannabis indica/sativa is a weed is simply disinformation. Course I think dandelions are pretty, too. I say no legalization, no governmnet intrusion, just decrimialisation-no !@#@#$$ing taxation just do as Mr. Tosh said "Let it Grow"! | |
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