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| What Is The Difference Between A Philosophy, Science and Religion?
Posted: 2/27/2012 1:27:20 PM | Philosophy is about asking big questions, like "What is meaning?"
Science is about coming up with physical explanations for how the physical world behaves.
Religion is about dealing with difficult life choices, like when someone really wants to have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with them, and comes up with a rationalisation that justifies it, like that "she's only playing hard to get", but your conscience keeps nagging at you that that is probably just a rationalisation for something you know you really shouldn't do.
They often cross onto similar questions, like how philosophy and science both often try to address the nature of choice. Nevertheless, their general approaches, and the types of questions they are generally poised to answer, are very far apart. | |
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| What Is The Difference Between A Philosophy, Science and Religion?
Posted: 2/27/2012 7:06:06 PM |
There will be no end to the troubles of states, or of humanity itself, till philosophers become kings in this world, or till those we now call kings and rulers really and truly become philosophers, and political power and philosophy thus come into the same hands.
Plato
^^^^^Philosphy
science
Drapetomania was a supposed mental illness described by American physician Samuel A. Cartwright in 1851 that caused black slaves to flee captivity.[1]:41 Today, drapetomania is considered an example of pseudoscience,[2]:2 and part of the edifice of scientific racism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drapetomania
religon.
The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 NLT)
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| What Is The Difference Between A Philosophy, Science and Religion?
Posted: 3/5/2012 10:05:20 PM | | I dont agree. Originally, philosophy encompassed all three subjects (and more) until it became broken down and people started to devote themselves to a single area. So technically, there is no difference, just a seperate thought on trying to make the pieces whole. | |
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| What Is The Difference Between A Philosophy, Science and Religion?
Posted: 3/13/2012 9:33:02 AM | im agree with y in this point but let give my point of view .
the question is it , what is the base of philosophy or science???
philosophy is based always about doubt so is it just thought not real things it can be true and it can be fault .
science is based always about experience and also theory , hypothesis and to discover the truth about the things that we look for it
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| What Is The Difference Between A Philosophy, Science and Religion?
Posted: 3/14/2012 5:29:42 PM | All three, Science, Religion, and what gets called Philosophy, all resulted from the one same question from humans, which is most accurately expressed thus:
HUH?
If you study the History of Philosophy (I have) and the History of Religions, and the History of Science, you will, if you are honest with yourself, and find honest texts and teachers to learn from, discover that they all intertwine over time, merging and drifting apart. This can be seen both in general. looking at the history of human kind as a whole, and in the life of a single individual.
Many people even change their own definitions for those words as they go through life.
It is also significant to notice the subtle difference between speaking of a specific philosophy or religion, as opposed to the general concept of the two. In general, both religions and philosophies are usually generated for the purpose of a person providing guidance through life, for themselves and/or for others. We generate and build upon our own personal philosophy/religion every time we respond to an adventure by making a personal plan for how to deal with it next time, or how we fit the results of our lives into our own self-image.
The two words are almost interchangeable in application. Most people seem to differentiate between a religion and a philosophy at that point, by calling it a religion, either if belief in "magic" is involved, or if they give over authority over their life to an outside individual, or set of rules. Those who retain complete responsibility and control over their own rules, tend to call it a Philosophy, while those who give the responsibility to others, tend to label it as a Religion.
Science is nowadays separated from the other two by a wider margin than ever before. All three still seek to "explain why things are the way they are," but Science refuses to accept magic as a final answer. Note that this does not mean, by the way, that all people who call themselves Scientists, consistently reject magic. Science generally does not include the notion of "intention" in it's explanations either. That is, science seeks to learn the mechanisms that brought whatever is being studied into it's current state, but does not make any judgment about whether that state is "good," or "bad," or that it is the purposeful result of a desired outcome.
I would also say that for me, Philosophy does not seek to explain how things came to be as they are, rather it is my evolving plan for how to conduct myself in response to what I learn from how things came to be the way they are. I don't have a religion. | |
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| What Is The Difference Between A Philosophy, Science and Religion?
Posted: 3/16/2012 5:15:28 AM | RELIGION: first conscious thoughts in human brains was seen as the 'voice' of god.....& so some people still believe, its superstition.
SCIENCE: measuring, testing theories to discount or comfirm current explanations of everything, which can be updated or contested with on going scientific experiments.
PHILOSOPHY:debating why of everything without attributing biased theories as much as possible, so that our minds open up to new ways of thinking.
Good post ;) | |
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| What Is The Difference Between A Philosophy, Science and Religion?
Posted: 4/5/2012 5:14:15 PM | First, in order to view the differences, we need to look at what the definitions of these terms are:
* Philosophy: the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.
* Science: a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws
* Religion: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
Philosophy generally deals with thought in general. Many arguments that are made in philosophy can't be proven. How you even go about determining the truth of a claim or a premise appears to be up for debate.
Whereas, in the various fields of science and in math, determining a proposition's truth is absolute. LOL. I'm not entirely sure if social science has an absolute way of determining a proposition's truth or not. But, I know that the natural sciences tend to rely on empirical observations and computer science works much like math. Proving something to be true in computer science works exactly like you would in math.
Religion is very different from science, but maybe not so much with philosophy. You can have a philosophical discussion within a religion. How to go about interpreting the texts of your faith generate different schools of thoughts or denominations within that religion. However, usually the truth of any claim depends solely on what's written in that faith's writings. However, some faiths might rely on conjecture (using the archaic definition for the word) where a person can gain understanding by interpreting signs or events that happen in one's environment.
Also, in philosophy you can establish a set of morals using logical reasoning. However, religions generally tend to establish a set of moral rules without any kind of logical justification for them. The only justification for many religions is that God said so - there's no talk of a social contract, categorical imperatives, maximizing utility, or anything like that.
PS. I got my definitions from dictionary.com. | |
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| What Is The Difference Between A Philosophy, Science and Religion?
Posted: 4/5/2012 5:35:48 PM | This question is quite and intresting one. Well Philosophy is about an idea of what life is or should be. Like for instance Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language. It is distinguished from other ways of addressing such problems by its critical, generally systematic approach and its reliance on rational argument.But I have my own definition: philosophy is what you do when the facts do not fix the solution.Philosophy is not a method, subject matter or data set, but it is the willingness to ask questions and follow them to their conclusions no matter what the cost or unpopularity of the result.Philosophy asks: 1. What is there? 2. How do we know? 3. What is it worth?Those three questions lead to higher level questions, a kind of ascent of queries. If you ask how we know some matter to be true, we must ask what “true” means, and “know” as well as try to give an explanation of what it is to know things (and what are “things”?). So we start doing philosophy of language, of ideas, and of meaning. This leads to questions of what it is to even ask a question, of what the nature of reasoning is, and logic. Pretty soon, you are writing papers for the Journal of Philosophical Logic. It doesn’t take long once you get the bug.
What is science?
Science is the concerted human effort to understand, or to understand better, the history of the natural world and how the natural world works, with observable physical evidence as the basis of that understanding1. It is done through observation of natural phenomena, and/or through experimentation that tries to simulate natural processes under controlled conditions. (There are, of course, more definitions of science.)Consider some examples. An ecologist observing the territorial behaviors of bluebirds and a geologist examining the distribution of fossils in an outcrop are both scientists making observations in order to find patterns in natural phenomena. They just do it outdoors and thus entertain the general public with their behavior. An astrophysicist photographing distant galaxies and a climatologist sifting data from weather balloons similarly are also scientists making observations, but in more discrete settings. The examples above are observational science, but there is also experimental science. A chemist observing the rates of one chemical reaction at a variety of temperatures and a nuclear physicist recording the results of bombardment of a particular kind of matter with neutrons are both scientists performing experiments to see what consistent patterns emerge. A biologist observing the reaction of a particular tissue to various stimulants is likewise experimenting to find patterns of behavior. These folks usually do their work in labs and wear impressive white lab coats, which seems to mean they make more money too.
The critical commonality is that all these people are making and recording observations of nature, or of simulations of nature, in order to learn more about how nature, in the broadest sense, works. We'll see below that one of their main goals is to show that old ideas (the ideas of scientists a century ago or perhaps just a year ago) are wrong and that, instead, new ideas may better explain nature.
There are serious problems with the definition of "religion:"
Many people have their personal favorite definition which they know to be the correct one, to the exclusion of all others. Unfortunately, there does not exist anything approaching a consensus.
Philosophy equals rational inquiry into fundamental questions: Philosophy is the process of rational inquiry into the nature of the world in which we find ourselves. This has to be understood in a broad sense, because its subjects of inquiry include such questions as the following: How can we discover the truth, in any event, and how can we argue about it in ways that ought to be convincing? How, from the viewpoint of reason, ought we to live our lives? How can we best understand such puzzling, yet important, phenomena as morality, law, culture, and religious belief?
Philosophy is not sharply divided from science: Philosophers attempt to reach rationally-defensible answers to a range of fundamental questions that defy precise, empirical investigation. There is no sharp dividing line between philosophy and science. The more a question is amenable to empirical investigation, using such means as experiments, mathematical models, and observations with telescopes, microscopes, and all the other modern instruments that have been invented, the more it is a scientific one. However, it’s a matter of degree. In the past, many questions that are now considered scientific ones belonged to philosophy. Indeed, modern science arose out of philosophy about 400 years ago.
Because philosophy deals with issues that defy precise investigation, it often seems not to make progress, and to do no more than (at best) clarify issues and solve logical puzzles. There is some truth in that criticism, but it is also true that philosophy has helped us make intellectual progress by refining some questions until they can be investigated more precisely, identifying ways in which we can be misled by our language, concepts, and assumptions, and striving for a rigorously-supported, yet synoptic, view of the world, drawing on the findings of other humanities disciplines and sciences. It seeks to make connections and draw conclusions that lie outside the scope of any other, more specialised, discipline. In one sense, philosophy is very general in its outlook, but in actual practice, philosophical work can be quite narrowly-focused and technical.
“A philosophy” versus “a religion”: Just as there is no sharp boundary line between philosophy and science, there is also no sharp line between philosophy and religious doctrine. They can blur into each other in some cases.
However, the crucial difference is that philosophers seek rationally-defensible knowledge, hard though this is to obtain. This means that they will not blindly accept claims that are made in so-called holy books, or transmitted within the traditions of a religious institution such as the Catholic Church, or granted by an alleged divine revelation. Even philosophers who accept some, or all, of these as reliable sources for certain (alleged) truths will want to find some sort of rational argument as to why they should be accepted.
When we talk about “a” philosophy, as opposed to just “philosophy”, we usually mean some kind of comprehensive worldview that claims to be supported by reason.
By contrast, a religion will include a worldview that is typically supported by faith and authority, more than by reason, and will usually explain the world, and how it works, by invoking some kind of supernatural entity or principle. In addition, a religion is not just a set of doctrines: it will usually include such things as rituals, commandments, hierarchies of leadership, practices of worship, and prescribed methods for transcending our physical state, here on Earth. | |
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| What Is The Difference Between A Philosophy, Science and Religion?
Posted: 4/5/2012 5:48:22 PM | "Science is the concerted human effort to understand, or to understand better, the history of the natural world and how the natural world works, with observable physical evidence as the basis of that understanding"
Devlish_Delight, but that definition only includes natural science. What about social science, or even computer science? Computer science doesn't have shit to do with the natural world. And, natural sciences hold a different definition of existence than computer science.
In natural science, existence has a more of a materialist definition (ie if something is made out of atoms then it exists). However, that definition doesn't work for computer science. Data structures are abstract objects, which "exist" but they can't be observed through physical means. Unlike natural science, "observable physical evidence" isn't possible.
There might be a physical explanation for these abstract objects when they're on your computer, but using that definition really doesn't work either. Take the HashTable, for instance. It could exist on your computer on memory in which case it's really just a series of pulses in your computer, or as magnetic charges on your hard disk in the case of storage. But, a HashTable can also exist on paper, so viewing a HashTable as a concept works best.
And, unlike natural science, things can't be proven through empiricism. Like I said, computer science works much like math. You have theorems and you have proofs. You can prove something through proof by induction, proof by construction, and proof by contradiction. Also, computer sciences takes many different things from many different other fields.
For instance, did you know that Noam Chomsky's work in linguistics is something that is studied in computer science? It's something that not many people actually know about.
"Many people have their personal favorite definition which they know to be the correct one, to the exclusion of all others. Unfortunately, there does not exist anything approaching a consensus."
And, I disagree with that statement. I don't think that religion is a subjective term. You can go by a dictionary definition for religion and most people would agree with it. | |
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| What Is The Difference Between A Philosophy, Science and Religion?
Posted: 6/6/2012 8:00:11 AM | Science can be tested/ validated by observation/ experimentation and revised as new understanding progresses and previously undiscovered "evidence" emerges.
The models that don't change are religious models because they're defined so that they can't be tested. Some people find great comfort in this, but I don't find any comfort at all in a model that cannot be tested. - Robert Anton Wilson | |
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