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| | Wearing the burka in the UK.Page 2 of 9 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) | The trouble with bans is that by taking away people's rights makes them more determined than ever to go against the said ban and I can't see how oppressing the already oppressed could possibly be a good idea. What would happen is that Muslim women who don't normally wear burkas would feel a sense of outrage that their right to wear what they want in a supposed democratic country had been taken away and they'd be leaping up to wear the burka in protest as well as the die hard protest martyrs who aren't even Islamic but will jump on the band wagon to show their solidarity in campaigning for women's rights.
All that does is make the oppression of these women much worse. If they can't wear the burka, their husbands will keep them indoors under lock and key, their whereabouts will be constantly questioned and monitored and their personal freedom would seriously be undermined. These women will feel even more isolated from society than they do already.
Personally, I can't stand the sight of burkas but I don't find the person wearing one intimidating....just what they stand for. No woman should feel she has to wear such an evil looking garment. I remember listening to Griffin on Question Time saying he found the idea of seeing 2 men kissing intimidating. Well, that's his own personal prejudices that's to blame and no-one else.
Banning the burka is simply skimming the top layer of a disease that has far wider implications for society as a whole.... and i'm talking about religion. There is a place for personal religion but there is no place in an educated world for outdated fundamentalism and that's what society should be focusing on outlawing. Using an item of women's clothing as an excuse to launch an attack against Islamic beliefs is just cowardly and we may as well hide under a burka ourselves if we are not prepared to address the real problem. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 6:11:07 AM | I would be as wary of contact with someone wearing a Burka as I would be of someone walking up to me in the middle of summer wearing a balaclava which hid their face. Most of us use facial expressions and vocal tones to assess a person's intentions.
Often it is the the unknown that makes us uncomfortable.
I am not particularly interested in the religious or political aspects of other peoples lives but I'm sorry to say that if someone turned up at my door, for any reason, and I could not see their face and their expression then they would not be welcome, my door would remain firmly closed and I would not give them any assistance. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 7:15:18 AM | As a biker i can almost see both sides to it. Im forced by law to wear a helmet and yet cannot go into government buildings, banks or in some cases won't be allowed petrol before having to remove it.
Wonder what happen if every motorbike user put down biker as a religion on a census 
for those who really want a good read about helmet law then Google fred hill. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 7:31:33 AM | Like all the arguments in the Islam vs Crusader 2.0 debacle the Burqa is a tic of trouble that buries it's head deeeper into the skin of society everytime it's scratched. The UK is the only western European country that has not curtailed or banned the burqa and has the other countries gone up in the flames of jihad, have they knickers.
Why do you ask? because the burqa is a cultural item of clothing not a religious one and even in moderate Islamic countries it's use is in decline.
Many Muslims believe that the Islamic holy book, the Qur'an, and the collected traditions of the life of Muhammed, or hadith, require both men and women to dress and behave modestly in public. However, this requirement, called hijab, has been interpreted in many different ways by Islamic scholars (ulema) and Muslim communities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa
So long as the modesty of women is protected the Qur'an is quite open on how that is achieved.
So should it be banned ? yes just on the fact of what it has come to represent in this country.
Is there a precedent on the removal of a cultural clothing right of a sub section of society for the greater good ? Oh hell yeah! try walking into a shopping centre with your Hoody up | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 7:42:39 AM | Bet the same group were/are upset because race relations laws prevent them from being racist .
Leave people alone and let them be.A woman want to wear burka,good for her,a man want to wear a dress good for him,a young girl want to wear next to nothing,good for her also.. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 7:59:56 AM |
You have no right to tell anyone how to dress.Leave the people alone .
So if I want to dress in the white robes of a KKK member you will have no problem with that? | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 8:02:25 AM |
Bet the same group were/are upset because race relations laws prevent them from being racist .
Leave people alone and let them be.A woman want to wear burka,good for her,a man want to wear a dress good for him,a young girl want to wear next to nothing,good for her also..
In principle I agree, but as I tried to suggest before the issue is not the burka, the issue is Islam. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 8:08:15 AM |
Bet the same group were/are upset because race relations laws prevent them from being racist .
Leave people alone and let them be.A woman want to wear burka,good for her,a man want to wear a dress good for him,a young girl want to wear next to nothing,good for her also
Those race relation laws banned the english use of the Urdu word for pride because of what it come to represent.
And by your same argument we should let paedophiles do what they want or allow the BNP to have free reign and let them be
Everyone has the right to be a knob but the law must be applied equally to everyone. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 8:08:40 AM |
As a biker i can almost see both sides to it. Im forced by law to wear a helmet and yet cannot go into government buildings, banks or in some cases won't be allowed petrol before having to remove it.
Wonder what happen if every motorbike user put down biker as a religion on a census
for those who really want a good read about helmet law then Google fred hill.
I do hear what you are saying but on the other hand, I once came off a bike, luckily I was wearing a helmet as it was that which split right down the middle and not my skull - a burka however can conceal the ravages of domestic violence, the finer nuances of body language and a woman's right to choose her own clothing and they're just a few of the many points.... I dont really think you can compare the two. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 8:30:32 AM | What about men who dress as women??
You mean like all those "priests", who wear dresses...? 
As Pud said, it's not too dissimilar to the archaic garb of so called"Nuns", and some priests, and we are encouraged to be deferential, and "respectful" of those people.
But I think we have to be 'philosophical' about it, there's no sense 'banning it', we all know how teenagers react to such measures, and adults aren't too different about being told what's "allowed", and what's not.
I think all such religious traditions will eventually be consigned to history, just as 'Sunday Opening', wife-rape, child beating, and the 'blasphemy laws' were.
People will stop, when they realise that such primitive bronze-age superstitions are irrational, and unnecessary.
I have no idea if these women consider themselves to be so attractive, that were I, a mere human male, to be subjected to their unveiled beauty, I would be unable to control my baser animal instincts..? They clearly haven't hung around many 57 year-olds..
A couple of generations here, and the offspring of such people, will be flashing their tits in public, whilst getting pissed, and being sick in the gutter, in other words, they will "integrate", whether their parents approve, or not. (IMO)
Religion is dying, there's no need to get hysterical about such traditions, much better to just laugh at them, and let them make their own choices.
In Victorian times, works of art depicting nudity were considered 'unsuitable' to be viewed by any but the 'educated classes', but they were actually one of the most immoral societies, which ever existed.
We don't need "big invisible sky-daddies", nor "religions" to "be the source of our morality", we do that without religions, anyway, often against their wishes, as in equality for women, gays etc . Morality is decided generally, by consensus of the majority, what we feel is acceptable, changes over time. We evolve our morality, based on experience, fairness, and hindsight.
Dawkins is right, religion is a "delusion", and people will eventually realise that, from the availability of information, in this, the "information age".
We don't need to "do" anything, there is an inevitability about truth, it can't be suppressed indefinitely, the truth always comes out, eventually.....
Religion is dying, because it makes no sense...
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Posted: 3/5/2012 8:50:40 AM |
So if I want to dress in the white robes of a KKK member you will have no problem with that?
Do you own one ?
Why should I have a problem?
Your sheet,wear it in public if you wish. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 8:57:27 AM |
We don't need to "do" anything, there is an inevitability about truth, it can't be suppressed indefinitely, the truth always comes out, eventually.....
Religion is dying, because it makes no sense
Yet worldwide in this infomation age Islam and Christianity are spreading faster than Humanism. In the UK Creationist schools are being opened and classes are being filled and the Religion created by a British science fiction writer in the 60's has gone worldwide in a short space of time. To quote Terry Prattchet " A lie has gone half way around the world before the truth has even got it's boots on"
So to stand by and do nothing accomplishes nothing. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 9:00:28 AM | | if theyse people want to live in our country they shd live by our rules, we hve tol ive by their rules in their country, burkhas look very suspicious to me | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 9:19:54 AM | Well I remember I meet this guy in pub when I was living in London, the impression I was giving (he was some Indian fella from Kenya) that we should adapt to the people that move here however if it was in reverse then we should adapt to them.
So I personally don't agree with them, the article about the stabbings kind of highlights why, no one is saying you can't practice you religion if you move here but you need to at least try and fit in with society in some way. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 9:29:01 AM | If you want to protest about the oppression of women, you would be better off protesting about the cause of the problems rather than one symptom. Look at the spectrum of forced marriages, honour killings, wearing the burka and so on according to Qur'anic laws! Actually that is a travesty because pure Qur'anic laws don't necessitate these. However, the beliefs have become b@stardised (same as other religon). So don't look at Islam per say, but those whom interpret it and force it upon their communities. Outlaw those whom encourage it where it goes against the rights of everyone in this country. Actively encourage/or sanction against other countries that allow the discrimination and oppression.
In this big brother world of cctv, evidently identity is everything, therefore, balacavas, hoodies, and burkas and halloween masks, should be banned so we can tell who it is whether they are merely going about their daily business, or a man dressed up attempting crime or terrorism (it shows up better on crimewatch). | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 9:52:55 AM |
Do you own one ?
Why should I have a problem?
Your sheet,wear it in public if you wish.
So you are honestly telling me that if the KKK were active in this country, murdering people they deemed racially impure, you would have no issue with me dressing as one? | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 10:04:40 AM | IF.....
IF you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master; If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, ' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch, if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 10:12:57 AM |
I feel intimidated and angry that this symbol of oppression is tolerated in what should be an equal society.
Are you sure your children aren't just picking up on your hostility towards them?
Don't you have anything better to do than than worry about other peoples business? | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 10:24:39 AM | | I hope this isn't leading up to Call me Dave having to start a campaign "Hug a Burka" ? | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 10:32:40 AM | I haven't read all the other posts so bear with me...I dont have a problem with burka-wearers per sé, not my business the whys and wherefores and I care even less, but...yes there are a couple of buts...they are great as a tool for shoplifting, caught a few lifters back in the day when I worked in retail, they are also great for potential suicide bombers and women are currently being recruited, some men have been reported to wear them too for this reason. Added to which who would seriously challenge a burka-wearer and face the wrath that would ensue?
If worn for the right reasons,it is the female muslims choice as far as I am concerned, but as always there is the bad element that will use it as a weapon. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 10:40:53 AM | | So I assume you don't support banning hoodies in shopping centers then? (well hoods up) | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 10:42:55 AM | Me?
The thread is about burkas...couldn't care less about hoodies either if worn not to commit crime or intimidate
You can put one on if you like :-) | |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 10:49:12 AM |
I hope this isn't leading up to Call me Dave having to start a campaign "Hug a Burka"
Allowing a kafir man to violate her modesty like that would get her beaten to death in some families  | |
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