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| | Kony2012Page 2 of 2 (1, 2) | | Could go back and forth all day long. Yup, life is a **** and for every pro there's a con. How about instead of critiquing every fine detail of one opinion, come up with a perfect solution where no one gets hurt and no one lifts a finger. That is all. | |
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Posted: 3/12/2012 9:26:47 AM | Could go back and forth all day long
No, the only way we could possibly go back and forth all day long is if you intentionally ignore the facts and ignore what most people are saying.
Which is that while Kony is a bad guy, the Uganda Government is corrupt as hell and "Non-Profits" like Invisible Children are actually propping them up and are nothing more than a PR spin.
How about instead of critiquing every fine detail of one opinion, come up with a perfect solution where no one gets hurt and no one lifts a finger
I do what I can to create a better life for everyone around me and to help out where I can; lifting a finger to take out a symptom of a problem isn't even a mediocre solution.
No one is asking for a perfect solution where no one gets hurt and no one lifts a finger, what we're asking is a UNBIASED video that shows what truly is going on.
Just in case you missed part of my post earlier, this is why I dislike PR spinned campaigns that play on the Public heart strings.
If you don't believe me that bandwagon causes are dangerous, please consider the following of proof that un-informed bandwagon caring is DANGEROUS:
http://www.change.org/petitions/karnataka-chief-minister-ban-la-tomatina-festival-in-karnataka
It's a great idea in theory, but the festival used ROTTEN tomatos to RAISE money to FEED people.
The festival got cancelled and people starved as a result.
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Posted: 3/16/2012 4:02:28 PM | Just to add, the guy that made the video got arrested yesterday for being drunk, vandalizing cars, and masturbating in public.
Yea......that guy is credible.
The whole thing is just war propaganda anyways. | |
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Posted: 3/17/2012 6:28:21 AM | Bethesda, I think I'm falling in love with your brain.
I have my oppinion on Kony2012, but I don't want to start a flame war here, so I'll keep it to myself. But only about a week ago I had a conversation with some friends who firmly stated that US won't join any more armed conflicts, cause whatever the reasons, economy simply doesn't allow it and people would go ballistic if govt decided to send troops some new place. But then we have 30 minutes of a youtube movie that gets Angelina Jolie's support and suddenly everybody goes "Hell yeah, send troops, get rid of the guy, it's justified!" Aldous Huxley and George Orwell are grinning at us from their graves. | |
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Posted: 3/17/2012 7:03:09 AM |
...But then we have 30 minutes of a youtube movie that gets Angelina Jolie's support and suddenly everybody goes "Hell yeah, send troops, get rid of the guy, it's justified!" Aldous Huxley and George Orwell are grinning at us from their graves.
That is because viral marketing works and this one has someones professional hands all over it. | |
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Posted: 3/17/2012 8:48:17 AM | I first heard about the Lord's Resistance Army about 20 years ago via a radio report from Africa where they went across the border into Uganda, went into a school, killed the teachers and kidnapped the kids. I responded pretty much the way everyone is now: I wanted everyone to know about this.
The reaction to this video brings one concern to my mind. There isn't a single American media organization with even one bureau or correspondent on the entire continent of Africa. They think people don't care about what's going on. Yet the response of people shows that this is wrong. Of the ten biggest news stories that happen in the world on any day, about seven of them happen in Africa. 22 Belgian school children killed? How about a village in South Sudan attacked by helicopter gunships. How about children in Cote d'Ivoire working as slaves on cocoa plantations. Congo, Nigeria, Liberia, Zimbabwe, Tanzania. There is more newsworthy stuff happening in Africa than on any other continent. And people want to know about it - they are just kept in the dark. | |
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Posted: 3/17/2012 9:05:28 AM | [How about children in Cote d'Ivoire working as slaves on cocoa plantations. Congo, Nigeria, Liberia, Zimbabwe, Tanzania. There is more newsworthy stuff happening in Africa than on any other continent. And people want to know about it - they are just kept in the dark.]
This happens all over the world not just in Africa.
The problem is that if people know about these things they begin to make informed decisions and act accordingly. They purchase ethically sourced goods and boycott those that are not.
They contact governmental representatives, or NGOs and support enhanced foreign aid measures.
Unfortunately that also means that profits for many corporations are jeopardized and that the government is "forced" into paying attention to human rights violations abroad. That takes time and money that they would rather spend elsewhere.
Keeping the general public in the dark and otherwise occupied keeps money in the coffers and the treadmill of production spinning. | |
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Posted: 3/17/2012 8:14:52 PM |
I responded pretty much the way everyone is now: I wanted everyone to know about this.
The thing is you don't need to sugar coat information like the Kony2012 video does in order to raise awareness and get a response.
here isn't a single American media organization with even one bureau or correspondent on the entire continent of Africa. They think people don't care about what's going on.
Seriously? I'm pretty sure "American" media organizations have corespondents In Africa.
et the response of people shows that this is wrong. Of the ten biggest news stories that happen in the world on any day, about seven of them happen in Africa.
I see plenty of news about Africa, so how is it that there is so much news about Africa yet you claim not a single American Media organization has a bureau or corespondent in Africa?
Which is it?
There is more newsworthy stuff happening in Africa than on any other continent. And people want to know about it - they are just kept in the dark.
Dude seriously? All of that happens globally, how about the fact that we buy products made in substandard conditions that lead the workers to kill themselves? How about the fact that the care you drive,the gas you use, the burger you eat, the clothing you wear, all has a blood trail a mile long?
And people want to know about it - they are just kept in the dark.
People think they want to know about it, manufacture outrage(look at the "support" Kony2012 received), and act indignant when it's brought to their notice; but the reality is that the average person couldn't live TRULY "knowing" what's happening in the world, because it destroys our nice and tidy bubbles of reality.
The problem is that videos like Kony2012 are as harmful to the causes they support as ignorance is, because it only presents one side of the problem, and it claims to have a solution that IS NOT an actual solution.
Killing or kidnapping Kony won't change what's happening in Africa, hell if anything it will probably make things worse because Kony is a direct response to the rampant corruption of the Uganda government.
If you want to talk about the truth, if you want to spread the knowledge, spread ALL of it, not just the bubble that Kony2012 created.
At some point we all need to wake up and realize "awareness" is only an illusion and only gets you so far, if you need an analogy the Pink Ribbon is a great example. Everyone and their mother knows about the Pink Ribbon, what it stands for, and what it represents. Yet they keep touting "awareness" and frankly at the end of the day people ARE aware, now what's the solution? More awareness? NO, that doesn't fix the problems just like getting rid of Kony FIXES NOTHING.
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Posted: 3/17/2012 8:37:02 PM | The Kony2012 is an emotional red flag operation so that the gov't/elite has public support to invade Africa for it's resources. The u.s. is also planting military bases all over Africa as well. AFRICOM.
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When in doubt....follow the money! | |
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Posted: 3/18/2012 5:22:44 AM | I have to correct you. The US government won't send troops where there are no resources that our multinational corporations want to get their hands on...nor will they send troops to any country that is not currently an imaginary threat to Israel.
It's good to know that Angelina Jolie is now running our foreign policy. I actually prefer that to the neocons. At least she has a heart. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2012 6:00:23 AM |
I have to correct you. The US government won't send troops where there are no resources that our multinational corporations want to get their hands on...nor will they send troops to any country that is not currently an imaginary threat to Israel.
For the most part I agree with you, that said Iran is far from an imaginary threat to Israel, just saying their leadership is pretty much Bat shit insane like the leadership of North Korea
That said,we already are spending millions on 100 special forces troops to hunt down Kony who isn't even in Uganda anymore, giving Millions more to prop up a corrupt Uganda government in exchange for first dibs on their oil is ridiculous but pretty much par for the course for our policy.
Nowadays we just sugar coat it with PR videos like Kony2012.
Think of the children indeed, because thinking of the oil just isn't as sexy.
Oh and if you think we invade for other reasons other than oil or if we get bombed/attacked, think again. Just in case if you REALLY thought Iraq was about more than oil.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/17/business/energy-environment/17oil.html?pagewanted=all
It's all about perspective, Kony2012 makes Kony look like a horrible human being, which no doubt he is. But the fact is that Africa is the second largest and second most populous continent in the world and kony is a tiny piece that isn't the cause of all the violence.
To reiterate the past pages getting rid of Kony by invading whatever country he's "really" hiding out in won't change anything because he's not the corrupt government of an entire country.
Want to actually change the game, help the people there, and at the same time get the oil we're after? Stop propping up the current regime.
But that would be a lot less sexy and the PR just isn't as good if we're actually fighting the corrupt government instead of a bogeyman that's on the run who "abducts" children.
It's the same reason after SOPA got a lot of bad press they're now trying to legislate the internet by using the Think of the children tagline.
And to lighten up the mood a little bit depending on your sense of humor:
http://9gag.com/gag/3213438
http://i.imgur.com/gD992.png | |
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Posted: 3/18/2012 7:54:19 AM |
I see plenty of news about Africa, so how is it that there is so much news about Africa yet you claim not a single American Media organization has a bureau or corespondent in Africa?
Actually, when the last American media organization that had a correspondent in Africa closed down the bureau a couple of years ago, it made the news. I don't remember who it was, but there are no newspapers, television networks, cable networks or magazines that have a single African correspondent.
The problem is that videos like Kony2012 are as harmful to the causes they support as ignorance is, because it only presents one side of the problem,
Huh? You have a terrorist organizations that kidnaps children, forces them to kill their parents.....and your concern is that the "other" side is not being presented?
You can just stick your fingers in your ears and yell "Liar!" all you want. But your facts and understanding are wrong. I guarantee you understand the situation far less well than the makers of this video. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2012 10:03:32 AM |
Huh? You have a terrorist organizations that kidnaps children, forces them to kill their parents.....and your concern is that the "other" side is not being presented?
Actually yes, because when you take the entire African situation as a whole, the video IS one sided and is championing a cause that is both outdated and intentionally keeps the people watching the video ignorant of WHY Kony did what he did.
You can just stick your fingers in your ears and yell "Liar!" all you want. But your facts and understanding are wrong. I guarantee you understand the situation far less well than the makers of this video.
Go ahead, prove to me that I'm the one sticking my fingers in my ears, show me a well citated news piece that shows the Uganda government is not corrupt as hell.
I've backed up my stance with article after article on the previous pages of the thread, all of which are citated, if anyone is sticking their fingers in their ears, it's YOU.
I guarantee you understand the situation far less than you think you do if you really think Kony2012 is a fair portrayal of what's happening in Africa.
Frankly you remind me of hipsters that jump on a bandwagon cause that is fundamentally flawed and just makes a few guys a ton of money.
Enjoy supporting Feel-good causes like Kony2012, I'll stick with causes that attack the actual problem which is endemic corruption throughout Africa's governments instead of causes that support the status quo and are only schemes in order to back US Oil Interests.
Really, you think I'm yelling liar because I don't want to face the facts and understanding them? I'm backing my opinion up with well citated articles while you're blindly supporting a biased PR spun video that doesn't portray the entire crisis going on over there that's been going on for decades because of organizations like Kony2012 which CHANGE NOTHING.
Getting rid of Kony just makes things worse because then we're propping up the guys that are far worse than Kony, the Uganda Government; and doing their dirty work to get rid of Kony.
Is Kony a great guy? Hell no, and I'm sure eventually he'll pay for his crimes, and I never said Kony was a martyr or someone we should back, but when you put Kony into context and show WHY he has done what he's done, it's not as black and white as YOU think it is.
All of that said your assertion that there are NO American Media companies with African Correspondents is patently false.
http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=4997
There aren't very many of them but there ARE African Correspondents.
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Posted: 3/19/2012 8:36:16 AM | Bethesda i'm in nothing but complete agreement with you ! the people that disagree are just ignorant of the facts or too caught up in the "awww look at his cute kid ! i wouldn't want anyone to abduct MY kid !" that they're blind.
Killing Kony stops nothing and will make things worse since his army will most likely retaliate massively. And like he already said supporting Kony 2012 just supports the corrupt government there that does the things that Kony is villified for doing. IMO people that blindly support Kony 2012 just come off to me as being stupid easily influenced sheeple. *shrug* | |
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Posted: 3/19/2012 12:21:42 PM | Since you have to correct me, tell me how you got your "opinion", because that's all you gave. The u.s. are there and building more bases. Did you check out who's on this list?
p.s. Angelina Jolie is a puppet.
You prefer an actress to run your foreign policy? Are you kidding? Are you working for the spinners?
No resources? Please check your facts before posting. | |
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