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| | New ID voter law?Page 2 of 29 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29) | Paul,
Registering to vote does not always require photo ID. I think that depends on where someone registers.
For example, I was able to register to vote at the DMV, while filling out a form to obtain my photo ID. However, you are correct about not needing ID when voting IF you have previously voted, and is not a new voter or perhaps not voting in a new county.
With that being said, I agree that this is a ploy by Republicans to slow down voter turnout for Democrats. I have no reason to believe otherwise.
And for the poster who keeps stating prisoners are allowed to vote in Maine...really? Interesting because in California, convicted felons and parolees don't have that right. What a shame... | |
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Posted: 3/17/2012 10:16:19 AM | "The right of qualified voters to vote is as fundamental as any constitutional right Americans enjoy. But unqualified voters have no such right at all."
WOW!! A couple of you make me laugh! So a man, who is 82, does not drive, lives in a nursing home, has voted all his life, served his country in wartime. No longer is "qualified" because he lacks certain ID, and has no way to get it?
Sweetness, your posts astound me. Because you have an ID to get a blockbuster card, or you have one whereever you go, you can't imagine a situation, where someone lacks one. How about the example I just gave, or because offices that issue ID's have restrictive hours, or are not local to someone. Old people can't always arrange transportation, some people have to work and can't get time off, a student at college, who wishes to vote, but has no idea until they try and register, what they need.
There is an entire segment of our population, that exists without ID. It is not neccessary to live their lives. If they don't drive, use credit cards, travel internationally, get paid in cash(some jobs still do that, not issue checks). Maybe some of you in your smug suburban lifestyles, should attempt to see how the poor really live.
People have voted for years, now they must take time off of work, get certain documents, and travel some distance, to simply enforce their constitutional rights.
But the smug and assured are not doing this out of some vast voter fraud, it is an attempt to rig an election, by eliminating a segment of the population that would NEVER vote for them. I don't need more proof, than the fact that this happens only in republican dominated and controlled states! | |
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Posted: 3/17/2012 10:28:41 AM | | Someone is afraid of offending another illigal alien | |
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Posted: 3/17/2012 12:03:13 PM |
i wasn't thinking about california and the immigrants...i was thinking about detroit and other poor urban areas. believe me they all were born and probably will die there because they can't get out because of lack of education, poverty and other socio-economic problems. yes they should an id with a pic, but a lot don't. don't tell me they can't vote. if prisoners in maine and vermont can vote so can these people.
oh HELLLL yeah...these are EXACTLY the type individuals I want voting to decide the leader of the most powerful country in the world...dumbasses who can't figure out how to get out of their own damn neighborhood.
If someone is so ignorant, and lacking education that they can't get an ID on their own, then whatever befalls them, happens.
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Posted: 3/17/2012 2:54:26 PM | I fail to believe anyone to lazy to get a Photo ID is motivated in the slightest to vote. The only motivition they have is to piss and moan how they do not get everything for free.
No reason what so ever to not have a photo ID in this day and age, unless you are ILLEGAL!!!!!! and not paying taxes and contributing to society, flying under the radar.
If you are offended, oh well, go back to your country of origin and enter the US legaly and you problem is solved. | |
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Posted: 3/17/2012 5:22:19 PM |
There is an entire segment of our population, that exists without ID. It is not neccessary to live their lives. If they don't drive, use credit cards, travel internationally, get paid in cash(some jobs still do that, not issue checks). Maybe some of you in your smug suburban lifestyles, should attempt to see how the poor really live.
Thank you OyVay...my mother falls into your description. She turns 71 this year, she has lived under the poverty level for most of her life, she votes every year, and for many years she volunteered at the voting booths. She never learned to drive, shes never had a credit card etc. and she has never had a photo ID.
She is not dumb, ignorant, lazy or any of the other derogatory terms people have used in this thread about people who don't have a photo ID.  | |
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Posted: 3/17/2012 5:34:55 PM | ^^^
I don't see how any citizen in the US can live without photo ID.
Identification is practically needed up every alley.
It seems as if we always need to flash our photo ID for something.
I think laziness maybe the best term to describe it. Even so, I still don't agree with the restrictions. Perhaps if voter fraud was a legit reason, I could understand. But cabin threw voter fraud right out the window when he posted that link. | |
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Posted: 3/17/2012 5:46:01 PM | It's entirely reasonable to expect that voters have proper identification. You need an ID for many things, so why is this an issue? No legit voter would be without an ID.
In the end, your vote isn't worth much anyway, but that's another topic. | |
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Posted: 3/17/2012 6:52:29 PM | I don't see how any citizen in the US can live without photo ID.
So just because you do not see it, does that mean that there is not a chance that there are people who are legitimate citizens and due to these laws will not be able to vote for various reason, none of which, are a fault of their own?
There are many people in the USA that live well below the poverty line and are legitimate hard working citizens that deserve a chance to have their voice heard and tricks like making it hard to obtain a photo ID along with new laws requiring them, when there is no legitimate reason for it, is disingenuous at best.
People saying that it is their own fault does not really seem like a nice thing to do to a fellow citizen if you ask me. I see many people that say they want America to be what it use to be and go back to what made it so great, but will turn their back on a fellow citizen.
I guess for them it is; United We Stand Divided We Fall*.
*provided you can get id and think the same way as we do, if not, screw you | |
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Posted: 3/17/2012 7:24:03 PM | Aris,
Did you read my post in full.
I do not agree with this new law in the least, because all participating citizens should be able to vote. However, I can also see where sweetness is coming from.
Let me just say this. I am one of those people living in poverty, but I was still able to get my photo ID. I do not agree that citizens should be shut out of voting just because they lack identification. However, a photo ID is imperative...in different cases. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2012 6:14:08 AM |
Did you read my post in full.
I did, I was replying to all that felt the law was in some way justified.
As there is a reason the UN has taken notice and that is because there is wrong being done in the USA and at the same time an information war is happening around trying to hide the facts that these laws are about disenfranchising voters and nothing more. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2012 8:21:12 AM | I don't know who you are thinking of RIP, in every part of the country that I've seen stories written, BOTH major parties are all about pandering to non-English speaking people.
Notice how the GOP dropped their push for making English the official national language of the country a while back? Want to know why? It's because the statistics came in, and they found out just how large the blocks of non-English speaking voters really are. Hence Bush's "pandering," via his "guest-worker program."
Better give up the idea that you can choose a party, to get away from pandering. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2012 9:09:25 AM | as i said in an earlier post why not make voting compulsory? that way
if you choose not to vote then you have no right to complain.
but the two party carve up in the states would need an overhaul methinks
and any ballot paper should carry a box to tick with none of the above so that
people could register a protest and maybe give a kick up the arse to the parties
this from australia
http://www.aec.gov.au/faqs/voting_australia.htm
Is voting compulsory?
Yes, voting is compulsory for every Australian citizen aged 18 years or older. If you do not vote and do not have a valid and sufficient reason for failing to vote, a penalty is imposed. For further information see Compulsory Voting. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2012 9:18:08 AM | That probably wouldn't fly here, because lots of folks are going to say that refusing to vote, is a vote in and of itself.
Another point on how the new voter ID laws are obviously aimed , not at confirming right to vote, but on disenfranchising certain segments (i.e. non-Republicans), can be seen by HOW they go about writing the laws. They specify in these laws, what sort of ID is or isn't acceptable. In many states passing these laws, they will accept things like Gun Ownership registrations, but not Student Id's. Clearly, this is designed to discourage a group that the GOP sees as naturally non-Republican (college students) from being able to vote while at school. If they accept local drivers licenses, it would force all students to apply for licenses they don't need, which does cost real money, before they can vote where they are on election day. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2012 9:39:54 AM | but i would say every political party does things that will benefit them
and not the opposition.
as far as i can see the republicans play to the religious, working, patriotic, less
government interfering folk who want to be left alone and get on with life folks
the democrats in my opinion anyway want to tax as much as is possible and interfere
in peoples lifes as often as possible.
and for everything republicans do to get the democrat knickers in a twist then the
exact same happens the other way around.
the disenfranchised will always be that because they are now stuck in a rut where
they have to do nothing to help themselves.
as for students, do they not need id to attend university or college?
in the uk there are lots of cases where its better off not working as the state does
everything for you. you actually get punished for working over here.
so if this underclass thats being talked about in the states are so disenfranchised why then are the democrats not putting other peoples money where their mouths are and rectifying the situation? could it be because they would need to tax more to fund the programme thereby losing votes?
its easy for them to open their mouths and let their bellies rumble but another to dip into the peoples pockets to pay for it as eventually folk get pissed off at being taxed even more to fund the feckless
p.s igor
i know what you mean about not voting being a vote thats why a none of the above on a ballot paper would work because you have actually went to the voting booth and rejected out of hand the choices that you have been left with | |
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Posted: 3/18/2012 4:30:07 PM |
Sweetness, your posts astound me. Really? I'm often amazed at her posts, but to be astounded... she'd have to be pretty damned brilliant to the point of being a bloody saint for me to use the word astounded. Guess we each have our own litmus to be met for specific accolades... 
I can't imagine anyone being unable to attain some form of photo identification if they really wanted it... as a matter of fact, I would hazzard to guess that if a person called their local politician and explained that they needed a ride to apply for it in person in order to vote for that person in the next election, they'd have a ride pretty damned quick... or whatever else they needed to toss their X on a ballot...  | |
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Posted: 3/18/2012 4:55:07 PM |
...I can't imagine anyone being unable to attain some form of photo identification if they really wanted it......
Exactly, just like you could not imagine what it would be like to live in a jungle community. Which is because you have no idea what it is like to be in a situation where obtaining a photo id may be very hard or been made pretty much impossible.
As I think you are also missing the point, is along with these new laws there have been changes made in the way people can obtain ID, mainly the closing on DMV locations.
This is why the world has taken notice of the shenanigans going on, because it is blatantly obvious why it is being done. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2012 5:45:41 PM | Vlad: yes indeed, students do need and are issued ID to attend Universities and Colleges. This is precisely what I am talking about. The people who passed these laws, were NOT primarily concerned about making sure that someone was who they said they were, otherwise they would ACCEPT student ID's. That they specifically rule them out, shows that their real intent is to limit who can vote, to people who they most expect will vote for them.
As for requiring everyone to vote, you don't have to persuade me. I wouldn't mind it being required per se, but I know that it will never be seriously proposed.
For one thing, again, the Republican party in the US is completely convinced that most poor and real middle class people (they define middle class as beginning at what statistics show is actually the lower portion of the upper class), will tend to vote for Democrats, because they think most of us are stupid enough that we would actually vote for whoever offered us the most "bribes" in the form of social support programs. Therefore, they will emphatically oppose any law that would make the people who they most want to discourage from voting, be required to go to the polls.
As for your impression of which party does what, I think you are a bout a decade or two behind the times. Back in the 60's, 70's and early 80's, the Dems were indeed the tax-and-spend party. They've moved away from that for the most part, though they are far from being realistic about how much anything costs. The Republicans (who have managed to shape your and a lot of other people's opinions about the Dems very well), are actually the ones who spent us into the mess we are in now, increasing Government spending hugely, even during the Reagan years, when everyone was told they were all about "responsible government."
The characterizations of either party is problematic these days. Under Clinton, we had balanced budgets (depending in who you get to do the calculations), and under Bush, we ran up huge deficits, while reducing tax receipts on purpose.
But as to the whole voting thing, the GOP has been very consistent about wanting to reduce the number of people who are allowed to vote, for at least the last fifty years. Their favorite disguise for that, is to pretend to support "responsible" government and voting practices. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2012 7:19:17 PM | God awful pestulance of myopic (non)intellectuals! Ugh!
I am going to exercise my RIGHT to be TOO LAZY to re-read and quote the poster's tripe essentially claiming that
Paraphrase: It is easier, simpler, more guarantee-er, and obviously more sexually fulfilling for a/every Republican to obtain a voter ID card than it is for a/every Democrat.
Wow. That's some real horsesh-it for ya.
Tell ya what, I'll include the actual wording after I post this thus tho thfar.
Found it! @Igor
Another point on how the new voter ID laws are obviously aimed , not at confirming right to vote, but on disenfranchising certain segments (i.e. non-Republicans), can be seen by HOW they go about writing the laws.
horsesh-it horsesh-it horsesh-it. Uh, how's that Liberal-tittiee tongue twister go? | |
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Posted: 3/18/2012 7:37:41 PM | it's too much to ask of poor people, minorities, criminals and illegals
We are not permitted to ask poor people, minorities, criminals or illegals anything. We must never assume to have such atrocious arrogance as to ask, or even worse, have an expectation of them. How horrible to even think. They are in fact equal in all aspects. The criminal is equal to the housewife in all respects. The illegal is equal to the laborer. The minorities must be in fact placed higher then all while the poor shall eat their feast.
The idiocy of leftism is fantasy and the total disregard of logic.
Nice quote. Don't know orgin
http://www.theatheistlibertarian.com/leftist-priorities-selective-outrage/
Leftists are not concerned about human suffering at all. What they seek is to star in a drama where they can play David to someone else’s Goliath. | |
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Posted: 3/19/2012 9:31:11 AM | PolitiFact Wisconsin strapped the Truth-O-Meter onto the first question in February. We labeled True a claim that the initial bill was "the most restrictive voter ID legislation in the nation." It was an easy call; that version excluded student IDs, passports and tribal IDs. On provisional balloting, it allowed only 24 hours to present an ID for voters who forgot it on election day.
But Republicans in charge of the Legislature later agreed to add passports and tribal IDs and opened the door for eventual acceptance of student IDs. And forgetful voters will have additional days to supply identification.
But here’s what we learned.
Even in its new form, Wisconsin’s law is one of the most restrictive, based on our research on acceptable IDs and voting procedures for those without IDs. We got information on new voter ID laws around the country from state election offices, and the National Conference of State Legislatures.
Two states pop up as contenders with Wisconsin for the title of "most restrictive."
One, Texas, which like Wisconsin passed a photo ID law in May 2011, now appears to be more restrictive, said University Wisconsin-Madison political scientist David Canon. Texas outlaws student IDs.
But Texas allows a concealed carry firearms permit as proof of identification, which Wisconsin does not. And Texas allows six days to supply missing photo ID after an election compared with three days in Wisconsin.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2011/jun/12/does-wisconsins-new-voter-id-law-disenfranchise-vo/
Interesting...Texas allows a gun permit to be proof of ID...go fugure.
Anyway, voter ID laws are meant to disenfranchise the poor, students, and the elderly...most of whom would vote for democrats...add the gerry-mandering that republicans are currently doing (not that dem's don't do it too)...it does seems as though the Rep's are trying to rig elections. | |
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Posted: 3/19/2012 9:49:55 AM | @ Nr 1 ...
" ... Do you agree with the Republican party that this is done to prevent voter fraud, or is this a ruse to prevent voter turn out? Some feel that this could possibly harm President Obama in the upcoming GE. Thoughts? ... "
Question: WHO BENEFITS from NOT having PHOTO ID?
Hint: It's NOT anyone interested in the integrity of elections.
FREE PHOTO IDs are available in most, if not every one, of the states. The 'cost' or 'inconvenience' claims are fraudulent on their face - as are the votes cast by the ones who seek to overturn the requirement for photo ID.
If an 'unintended consequence' is that voter turnout is somehow mysteriously 'suppressed' by the overwhelming burden of showing a PHOTO ID, that only means the election and the votes cast is that much more honest than it would otherwise have been.
I guess having a Black Panther in combat boots, beret, and armed with a baton walking post in front of a polling place is somehow less likely to 'suppress voter turnout'. Amazingly, even after these people were found guilty, the Holder 'justice department' [sic] dismissed all charges against them. Yet a PHOTO ID is going to 'suppress voter turnout'. Please. That's just too cute by half. | |
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Posted: 3/19/2012 11:27:33 AM | | It is halarious that Texas has a 30 voter registration waiting period to vote...yet, has no waiting period to purchase a firearm...at least they require a picture ID for both. | |
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Posted: 3/19/2012 11:32:51 AM | The new laws are cheap for states and voters.
The Advancement Project’s report “What’s Wrong With This Picture?” shows that taxpayers will bear the costs of these measures — more than $20 million in North Carolina, for example, to educate voters and provide free IDs to those without them, as the state’s law requires. This hurts states that are facing big budget constraints. For voters, even if an ID is free, getting the documents to obtain it can be expensive and difficult.
Many states require at least four original forms of identification to obtain a photo ID — documents such as a certified birth certificate, marriage or divorce record, adoption record, a Social Security card, or naturalization papers. A birth certificate in Texas costs $22, a U.S. passport costs as much as $145, and naturalization papers can run up to $200. People born out of state who lack transportation, work multiple jobs, have disabilities, or are home-bound or poor can’t access or afford this paperwork.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-voter-fraud/2011/10/04/gIQAkjoYTL_story_1.html
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It looks as though free identification isn't easy to obtain, either. At least in certain states.
Some people act as if Google doesn't exist.
The Washington Post debunked that one, as well. | |
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Posted: 3/19/2012 11:44:05 AM | 1. We need state voter ID laws to prevent fraud.
Prosecutable cases of voter fraud are rare. For example, a 2005 statewide study in Ohio found four instances of ineligible persons voting or attempting to vote in 2002 and 2004, out of 9 million votes cast. An investigation of fraud allegations in Wisconsin in 2004 led to the prosecution of 0.0007 percent of voters. From 2002 to 2005, the Justice Department found, only five people were convicted for voting multiple times. In that same period, federal prosecutors convicted only 86 people for improper voting.
According to Barnard political scientist Lorraine Minnite, most instances of improper voting involve registration and eligibility, such as voters filling out registration forms incorrectly or a person with felony convictions attempting to register. Neither of those issues would be prevented by a state photo ID requirement. According to George Washington University law professor Spencer Overton, a former member of the Commission on Federal Election Reform, “a photo ID requirement would prevent over 1,000 legitimate votes (perhaps over 10,000 legitimate votes) for every single improper vote prevented.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-voter-fraud/2011/10/04/gIQAkjoYTL_story.html
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Debunked, debunked, debunked. A clear case of trying to prevent a record of voter turnout for Democrats just as reported. There isn't that much voter fraud in this country, and while the GOP are still unable to give valid reasons as to why they instated these laws aside from using voter fraud as an excuse, others are busy debunking their lies. | |
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