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 HalftimeDad
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This is one area where you cannot look at it from the left/right perspective, as shariah law goes off in its own direction, and while the typical left/right discussion had on this site is referring to political spectrums as WE are familiar with. shariah law is its own separate animal, having almost no correlation to western law, as we know western law, because it is based on RELIGION.

That's an interesting position for you to take. Seeing as you're the one who brought up the question of where Sharia law would fit on the left/right axis. In fact, the only reason I responded is because you asked the question more than once.

You clearly wanted to think that Sharia law is some sort of liberal ideology - it was the repeated asking of the question that gave it away. You also clearly don't like the way it actually falls on the American political spectrum.

Again, it was you that brought it up. Not me.
 flyguy51
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Posted: 4/3/2012 12:20:58 PM
So, what should the US government and its non-Muslim citizens do to discourage the growth of Islam within its own borders beyond what is already being done by respecting the establishment clause?
 matchlight
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Posted: 4/3/2012 12:35:45 PM
A little sidelight. Feisal Rauf, the Western-dressed, apparently benign face of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. and spokesman for the "Cordoba Initiative"--aka the "Ground Zero Mosque"--has been involved in another project for a long time. That is to study which Western nations offer the most fertile ground for shariah to grow.

The MB, the Islamist group Hassan Banna founded in Egypt in the late 1920's, when it wasn't murdering Jews for the crime of breathing, has over the years found time to spawn other such groups. It created HAMAS in the 1980's. And one of the extreme jihadist groups that splintered off from it, led by Ayman al Zawahiri, an Egyptian doctor, joined with Osama bin Laden to form Al Qaeda.

The Brothers have set up dozens of front groups in the U.S. to promote shariah. CAIR is probably the best known of these. They practice what is known as da'wa, which is a form of proselytizing carried out through a wide range of means--writing articles and books, blogging, lobbying, soliciting donations, filing lawsuits, encouraging Islamist organizations on campuses, building elaborate Islamic complexes like the Dar al Hijrah mosque near Washington, D.C., etc.

The guiding lights behind Dar al Hijrah have also been involved in the "Cordoba" project in NYC. Dar al Hijrah counts among the ex-members of its congregation Anwar al-Awlaki, the mentor of two of the 9/11 hijackers and onetime imam there, and later a leading Al Qaeda recruiter and propagandist (Mr. Awlaki had an unfortunate encounter with a drone in Yemen last year and is no longer with us); and at times, the two hijackers themselves.

Another notorious onetime member of Imam Awlaki's flock at Dar al Hijrah in 2000 was Nidal Hassan, the Army psychiatrist who years later murdered more than a dozen unarmed fellow soldiers at Fort Hood a few years back. Hassan e-mailed back and forth to Awlaki, his spiritual advisor, when he was wondering if Allah would bless the slaughter he was thinking of. Awlaki assured him it was the right thing to do.
 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 4/3/2012 12:41:52 PM
I dunno...if you take away fatwahs (which may or may not be part of sharia law)-sharia law kind of/sort of resembles the 10 commandments....personally, if there is something that is illegal or against the laws of the land then it cannot be practiced here (though< I admit I know little about sharia law)...then how does someone practicing their own religion in their own place of worship effect me?


What Is Sharia Law?
By Edwin Thomas, eHow Contributor
The war on terror has thrust the Muslim religion and culture into the spotlight. At the core of both is the Sharia, or Muslim religious law. It is a term often heard but not widely understood, even by the so-called experts who try to describe it on the evening news. Dictating as it does both Muslim religious practice and much of the common traditional culture of the Arab world, understanding the concepts of the Sharia is key to understanding Middle Eastern ways.

Time Frame



The Sharia started to come into being with the creation of the Quran, Islam's most important holy book, immediately following the death of Muhammad in 632. An important concept to understand is that Muhammad himself, like so many major world religious figures, wrote nothing himself. What we know of him--his sayings, teachings, and dictates--come to us from his followers and their later interpreters.


Identification



Sharia is the entire body of Islamic law. The term literally means "the way to the water source." It is a wide-ranging body of law and personal rules, regulating matters of jurisprudence, hygiene, politics, business, banking, family, sexuality, diet, and society. It is meant to serve as the governing principle both within the Muslim world and for Muslims living outside it.


Misconceptions



The most serious misconception is that the Sharia and the Quran are synonymous. They are not. The Quran is the most important component of Sharia, but Islamic law is drawn from many other sources as well. A second major source is the Sunnah, or personal example of the Prophet Muhammad. Another misconception is that Sharia is somehow codified, or otherwise a monolithic body of law. This is untrue. There are numerous schools of thought regarding what is and is not Sharia, with both minor and major disputes between them being common.


Features



A well-known term involving Sharia is the Fatwah. This is an opinion by an Islamic legal scholar. In Sunni Islam, these are non-binding, but in Shia Islam they could be if the scholar in question has sufficient status and support. The most infamous example of the latter is when Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran pronounced a death sentence on author Salman Rushdie in 1989. In modern times, Islamofascist terrorist leaders such as Osama bin Laden have taken to issuing "Fatwahs," but as these individuals are typically not Islamic legal scholars of any kind, these so-called Fatwahs have dubious standing within mainstream Islam.


Function



Covering a wide array of subjects, the Sharia requires years of dedicated study to master. However, some of its better known requirements are simple and easy to explain. Sharia law dictates the Halal, or the famous Muslim dietary laws that prohibit the consumption of pork and alcohol, among other things. Sharia also requires the use of the right hand for eating and drinking, mostly because it is common practice to use the left hand for cleansing after defecation. Sharia describes the major Islamic religious festivals, such as Eid il-Fitr. Sharia also contains the famous dictate of verse 9 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." This law is generally interpreted as requiring Muslims to bring non-Muslims under their political domination, but to be tolerant of other religions that exist under their rule. However, the Jizya, or tax on non-Muslims, is required.

http://www.ehow.com/print/about_4572297_what-sharia-law.html
 Aries_328
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Posted: 4/3/2012 12:47:17 PM
So, what should the US government and its non-Muslim citizens do to discourage the growth of Islam within its own borders beyond what is already being done by respecting the establishment clause?


pay attention
http://shariahinamericancourts.com/

Cross political lines
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/transcript/judge-rules-american-courts-can-use-sharia-law

Believe what they say. It isn't a secret. They are not kidding.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/03/21/subverting-america%e2%80%99s-legal-system/2/

It has issued a fatwa ruling that U.S. citizenship is acceptable for Muslims only “on the condition that they do not accept indefinitely the law and legislation of that country” and maintain their “loyalty to Allah and His Messenger.”


Realize that no matter how much it sounds like a right wing nut hates a liberal socialist they are arguing two sides of the same coin. This is another coin.

Watch who supports what
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Egypts-Muslim-Brotherhood-Reverses-Political-Tactics-145954935.html
 Paul K
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Posted: 4/3/2012 1:47:57 PM
Hey big...........

You wrote:
"I admit I know little about sharia law)...then how does someone practicing their own religion in their own place of worship effect me?"

Shariah law encompases ALL aspects of life, it not only does not believe in tolerance of other religions, it tells you to SUBDUE other religions:
""Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

So I guess then you would have no problem with paying the "Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Subjugation?, Willing submission? Jizya? (tax on non-Muslims).

Look at what is happening in other countries before you so blithely dismiss shariah law and its effect, and whether or not there are those who would LOVE to implement it.

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 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 4/3/2012 2:20:38 PM

Look at what is happening in other countries before you so blithely dismiss shariah law and its effect, and whether or not there are those who would LOVE to implement it.

Show me.

I'm reasonably well informed. I live in a country which has multiculturalism as its mantra. I don't see any push for Sharia law. As a proportion of the population, I suspect we have a larger Muslim population than America.

I knew a couple of Ismailis who were dealing with divorce through the principles of Sharia some years ago, but there are also Jewish religious norms that come into play in that community in the same circumstances. Neither is a legally binding thing, but a cultural one.

This is just one of the myths that you kind of have to believe to be an American style right winger. Just like the all the world's scientists are members of a secret Marxist cabal to bring down America. Or that Obama's health plan (originally put forward by the Heritage Foundation and proposed by the GOP in the '90's) is somehow socialism. Or that evolution is in dispute. Or that the USA was founded as a Christian nation. You don't have to believe them all, but you have to believe some of them.
 Paul K
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Posted: 4/3/2012 2:46:32 PM
Hey half........

You wrote:
"show me"

I did......... just go to the utube video that I already pasted on a prior post:
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0hKEd6rzbeg"

While there, you will see MANY similar videos in other countries that are having the same problem.........

You wrote:
"I'm reasonably well informed."
It seems like on this particular subject, you are not reasonably well informed, or you choose to ignore the subject.

By the way, you wrote:
"that the USA was founded as a Christian nation".......................
Actually, it was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, NOT as a christian nation; a very subtle, but HUGE difference.

You wrote:
"I knew a couple of Ismailis who were dealing with divorce through the principles of Sharia some years ago, but there are also Jewish religious norms that come into play in that community in the same circumstances"

When Jewish "norms" call for a "jizya", or for muslims to "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." , let me know. I don't know of ANY such jewish law or exhortation by their rabbi's, do you?

A little more...... when the koran refers to "people of the Book", they are referring to Jews. Guess what they would have the faithful do to those that are NOT "People of the Book"? (with thanks to bigbad........ for the quote from the koran)


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 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 4/3/2012 3:16:47 PM
I never go to youtube political videos. It's a lot easier to lie with video editing and quick cuts than it is in print. I've made that mistake before and it takes so long to parse all the bullshit and nonsense that it's just not worth the 7 minutes it takes to watch.

The last time I went to some link someone cited it was astonishing how many lies could be crammed into a few minutes and seem reasonable unless you actually knew a little bit. It was an economics video and even with only one Econ 100 course under my belt 30 years ago I could recognize the outright lies.
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Posted: 4/3/2012 3:28:22 PM
Hey half.........

I guess the problem is not that you are not well informed, it is that you have your head in the sand......... at least you are "well informed".

The utube video that I referenced is by Stacy Dooley, a well know far leftist, so it should at least ring a bell with you. The video shows scenes of a march by islamists in England................... you won't have to know any econ to watch it............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0hKEd6rzbeg



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 Aries_328
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Posted: 4/3/2012 3:31:54 PM
I never go to youtube political videos. It's a lot easier to lie with video editing and quick cuts than it is in print. I've made that mistake before and it takes so long to parse all the bullshit and nonsense that it's just not worth the 7 minutes it takes to watch.

The last time I went to some link someone cited it was astonishing how many lies could be crammed into a few minutes and seem reasonable unless you actually knew a little bit. It was an economics video and even with only one Econ 100 course under my belt 30 years ago I could recognize the outright lies.


This is what happened when you werent looking.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/islam/shariah-law.html

How did Shariah come to be considered in Canadian jurisdictions?
In 1991, Ontario was looking for ways to ease the burdens of a backlogged court system. So the province changed its Arbitration Act to allow "faith-based arbitration" – a system where Muslims, Jews, Catholics and members of other faiths could use the guiding principles of their religions to settle family disputes such as divorce, custody and inheritances outside the court system.


This is what you didn't listen to
http://www.nfb.ca/film/sharia_in_canada_part_1

Sharia in Canada is a 2-part documentary series that delves into the debate over Islamic tribunals in Ontario. In December 2004, the Boyd Report recommended that Ontario authorize Islamic tribunals based on the sharia, a system of justice directly inspired by the Koran.


It's not over
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm_qnQfsRco
Sharia Financing


This is the right answer:
http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/sharia-law-canada.htm

Attempts to set up Sharia courts in Canada in 2005 were abandoned after protests. The Jewish community and the Catholic community did not want Muslims introducing Sharia into Canada, so they accepted the decision to ban all religious arbitration in Ontario, including their own respective tribunals.
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Posted: 4/3/2012 3:41:00 PM
That's not Sharia law. That's arbitration. Actually, it was introduced precisely because Jewish arbitrations had been going on for decades. That's precisely what I was alluding to when I talked about the guys going through divorce arbitration.

Yeah, there was a big hullabaloo over it and the plan was scrapped. But it was only ever proposed for arbitration. They never introduced it formally here in BC, but between willing participants, it is going on here and in Ontario. It's two people who agree to abide by the arbitration of whatever religious practices they both adhere to.

edit: If you and I made a $50 bet and couldn't agree on who won, we could go to court, or we could agree to present our respective cases to someone we both respect and be willing to accept his decision. In a nutshell, that's all this is.
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Posted: 4/3/2012 3:42:42 PM
"the video shows scenes of a march by islamists in England"

Geez, a march. Wow. Is that like when the Irish march through Boston for St. Paddy's Day? Or like a gay pride march? Or how about celebrating Queen Elizabeth's birthday? A march, holy shit.

If you get your news and veiws from youtube - shakes my head here - all I can say is sad and pathetic.
 Paul K
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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:22:29 PM
Hey half....................

You wrote:
"If you and I made a $50 bet and couldn't agree on who won, we could go to court, or we could agree to present our respective cases to someone we both respect and be willing to accept his decision. In a nutshell, that's all this is."

Not even close........ not EVEN close. If you and "I" were to make a bet and go to court, the court would make its decision based on the LAW OF THE LAND, either Canada or US, depending where you went to court. What was being attempted there was to have a Canadian judge make a decision based on shariah law. You can't see the difference? How would the sitting Canadian judge know shariah law enough to make a decision in the first place....

Hey welsh...........

You didn't watch the video, did you? You are now equating what the militant islamists were wanting with an Irish march for St. Paddy's day, or a gay pride march or a birthday march for the mum? You COULDN'T have watched the video............... No effing way. At least be honest about that..........

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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:25:09 PM

Show me.


The easiest way to see how cooky sharia becomes In other countries is to look at the judgments or fatwas they come up with. Just go to the Islamic Sharia Council of Great Britain website and have a ball. Here's a couple to get you started. Try some of your own.


Question: what is the ruling regarding a couple where the wife had suffered abuse in childhood and due to that she refuses to respond to her husbands sexual needs


Answer...


it is the woman's duty to respond to her husband's requests for conjugal relations. She should not give silly excuses and try to avoid it. The prophet said "if a man calls his wife to his bed, let her respond, even if she is riding her camel


Awesome. Park the camel,forget about that silly childhood trauma and hop in to bed.

Want custody of your kid?


The mother is recognised as generally the fittest person to take care of the children, because of the instinctive love and tenderness she feels for them and her closer contact with them throughout pregnancy, nursing, and childhood. However, if the mother marries again she would generally forfeit her right to custody


Only until he/she is seven and just don't get married again.


But it was only ever proposed for arbitration. They never introduced it formally here in BC, but between willing participants, it is going on here and in Ontario. It's two people who agree to abide by the arbitration of whatever religious practices they both adhere to


There are two problems with voluntary arbitration. One, it's rarely voluntary. There is a certain presure to conduct your life as a good muslim and go to muslim court instead of a court where you actually have rights. And the second is that it rarely stops at arbitration. Great Britain sanctioned five sharia courts for arbitration and civil case purposes and they now have over 80 in operation. 75 or more "courts" operate without any supervision or inspection by a proper authority. Not cool.
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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:28:40 PM
Not even close........ not EVEN close. If you and "I" were to make a bet and go to court, the court would make its decision based on the LAW OF THE LAND, either Canada or US, depending where you went to court.

Yes, I said we could go to court. But if we didn't want to go to court, we could go a different route. That's exactly what I said.

Two Muslims having a dispute can go to court. But they could decide between them to go to a Sharia court and that court would act as an arbitrator. Nobody is forced to go that route, and if one of the parties doesn't want to, then they go the traditional route. If they go before a Canadian judge then it would be a standard case before the courts.

Is that really so hard to understand? It's an arbitration process.

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There are two problems with voluntary arbitration. One, it's rarely voluntary. There is a certain presure to conduct your life as a good muslim and go to muslim court instead of a court where you actually have rights.

Oh. It's the old "Islam is the Borg" argument. Cause if you're Muslim you can't think. This one is invariably brought up by someone who has never met a Muslim in his or her life.
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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:30:32 PM
i'm not talking religious views.........i mean stuff like thall shall not steal

And how is this necessarily "bible based" law...? I'm sure you are intelligent and educated enough to know that law forbade such acts as theft, murder, kidnapping, assault, etc., all those things folks like you claim are "bible-based", existed as law before the Bible (or even Torah) existed... These are things that were considered "wrong" and "illegal" before Christianity (or even Judaism) was even a glimmer in someone's eye...

These are NOT "bible-based" laws but, rather, long established principles in laws throughout the known (at any given time) world... These are NOT testaments to the "wisdom" of Christianity or even it's God whom no-one even considered to exist at the time, these are testaments to the wisdom of humanity...

again..........i dont refer to the religious aspects

Well, given what I've shown above, "God-centered principles" and "bible-based" law can ONLY mean the religious aspects (because that which you describe as "bible-based" are in reality, anything but)...
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^




got you halftime-- when two parties go to court, generally " everyone" loses, except the lawyers who slop up to the trough for maximum fees.

most likely lawyers & their bar associations generally oppose arbitration processes including sharia for obvious reasons, not as much chance to belly up to the trough & suck some money away
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Yes, I said we could go to court. But if we didn't want to go to court, we could go a different route. That's exactly what I said.

Two Muslims having a dispute can go to court. But they could decide between them to go to a Sharia court and that court would act as an arbitrator. Nobody is forced to go that route, and if one of the parties doesn't want to, then they go the traditional route. If they go before a Canadian judge then it would be a standard case before the courts.

Is that really so hard to understand? It's an arbitration process.


got you halftime-- when two parties go to court, generally " everyone" loses, except the lawyers who slop up to the trough for maximum fees.

most likely lawyers & their bar associations generally oppose arbitration processes including sharia for obvious reasons, not as much chance to belly up to the trough & suck some money away
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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:40:30 PM
So, a request to show evidence that liberals support Sharia happened a while ago...

Just read your own posts.... Tis no big deal... just some arbitration. What's the harm... Screw it as long as it is against the current system? Is that the point?

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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:40:58 PM
Hey half............

If you give an "arbitration" court the POWER to decide issues between people, what you are doing is abrogating a small part of the power that the court of the law of the land has. Just out of curiousity, once a judgement is handed down by the "arbitration court", who enforces it? The local police don't have to, as they weren't part of the process that led to the judgement, so then you would have some sort of enforcement arm of the shariah court?????? What happens if the "arbitration court" comes to a decision that is contra to the law of the land, because that will happen, as the "arbitrators" are NOT trained in the land of the law? Can the loser of the "case" then appeal to a real court of law?

Lets say that a person takes you to "shariah court", you don't recognize that type of nonsense, and ignore him. He then "wins" in "shariah court"....... and comes to you for the settlement. What would you do? What if he trys to enforce his judgement, how far would you be justified in resisting him?

YOU can give away all you want, I wouldn't give away not even the slightest bit. IF someone wants to live HERE, then they will be bound and judged by the laws HERE.

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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:46:59 PM
So, a request to show evidence that lerals support Sharia happened a while ago...

Just read your own posts.... Tis no big deal... just some arbitration. What's the harm...

For crying out loud.

Are you really that f*cking stupid?

This isn't Sharia law. This is two people who decide to go to an arbitrator of their choice. If two Catholics decide to go to a priest to settle a dispute is that bringing the Inquisition into America?

Good Lord.

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Lets say that a person takes you to "shariah court", you don't recognize that type of nonsense, and ignore him. He then "wins" in "shariah court"....... and comes to you for the settlement. What would you do? What if he trys to enforce his judgement, how far would you be justified in resisting him?

Go back and read where I said that two people who BOTH agree to go to an arbitrator...

These are strictly civil disputes. The police don't get involved unless there's a court order. Guess what? This isn't a court.
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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:51:39 PM
So..how is that war on women working for ya.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/poll-women-voters-abandon-gop-in-key-battleground-states.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

Hint...Women have morality, opinons, a majority of the vote, and can veto your rights to conjugal bliss, merely because you are an azzhat without a condom and a clue. Shove your cross in the wrong places with sharp edges, go on a dating site with expectations that being a shiitehead or any stripe, and then wonder why....

Grow up. Give women their due respect. Give others or other faiths their due respect and at least "tolerance", argue from a place of honor and respect, admit that your theocracy is as crazy as anyone elses, that your gods are as schizo and control freakish, that texts were written by ancient control freaks from a different error/era, and just do the golden rule thang, and who knows...
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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:54:06 PM

Just out of curiousity, once a judgement is handed down by the "arbitration court", who enforces it?

Umm... The LAW...?!? Did you REALLY miss that or just deliberately being obtuse...

What happens if the "arbitration court" comes to a decision that is contra to the law of the land

You REALLY don't understand arbitration, do you...?

Lets say that a person takes you to "shariah court"

I was right... you DON'T understand arbitration... someone CANNOT "take you" to arbitration... by its fundamental nature, ALL PARTIES must agree to arbitration...

you don't recognize that type of nonsense

Then it DOESN'T go to arbitration...

He then "wins" in "shariah court"....... and comes to you for the settlement... What if he trys to enforce his judgement,

One cannot "win" in arbitration without the consent to arbitration of the other party... Without consent there is no arbitration... Ergo, nothing that can be "enforced"...
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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:55:03 PM
Are you really that f*cking stupid?


I guess so if thats what you think. Have you looked into what Sharia is yet? Do you understand it and are basing your opinion on facts and not on your belief that Sharia is arbitration because that is what it is started. Have you looked into the UK and how it started there and where it is at and the issues. Have you seen how that because it has been allowed in UK that all there were renewed efforts to start cristian prayers at the start of government meetings...

If so... I guess I am that f*cking stupid.

This is not a right wing conspiracy site incase you don't quite get it.
http://www.cfr.org/religion/islam-governing-under-sharia/p8034

Sharia's influence on both personal status law and criminal law is highly controversial, though. Some interpretations are used to justify cruel punishments such as amputation and stoning as well as unequal treatment of women in inheritance, dress, and independence.


In case you don't know... punishment for adulty is DEATH

A 2010 Pew poll conducted in seven countries including Egypt found strong support for Islam in politics and for harsh punishments for crimes such as theft, adultery, and conversion away from Islam


The arbitration is to set up a DUAL LEGAL SYSTEM

Dual Legal System. Many majority Muslim countries have a dual system in which the government is secular but Muslims can choose to bring familial and financial disputes to sharia courts. The exact jurisdiction of these courts varies from country to country, but usually includes marriage, divorce, inheritance, and guardianship. Examples can be seen in Nigeria and Kenya, which have sharia courts that rule on family law for Muslims. A variation exists in Tanzania, where civil courts apply sharia or secular law according to the religious backgrounds of the defendants.


A seperate financial system

Growing at an estimated 15 percent annually, Islamic banking and finance is a worldwide industry that modifies modern business practices to conform to the rules of sharia. Central to this field is riba, the charging or payment of interest, banned under Islamic law. Clever twists on standard financial products like credit cards, savings accounts, mortgages, loans, and even trust funds bypass the interest business model


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