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| | Feminism Your ViewsPage 12 of 44 (4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44) | @ ramperbill Ihad already responded with:
I find this rather curious that you do not know ANY names of individuals, male or female, who have supported women's rights through the years, particularly as you are such a vocal adversary.
I have acknowledged that men and women are both responsible for the feminist movement. The laws that get passed aren't passed by women alone. There are men who also agree with the laws and have them instituted. It's one of the reasons I keep saying if you don't like the way things are, enlist the assistance of those who will help you create change where you see a need. That doesn't mean that the only people who will assist you will be men. After all, it wasn't just women who assisted other women with the feminist movement(s) thoughout history. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 11:10:26 AM |
I find this rather curious that you do not know ANY names of individuals, male or female, who have supported women's rights through the years, particularly as you are such a vocal adversary.
Well, I know of one particular figure head, and his name is Dr Warren Farrell. Being a Chairman for the National Organization for Women 3 times in a row, and also writing books like The Myth of Male Power, Why Men Earn More, and Father and Child Reunion. He seems to have accomplished quite a bit in regard to not only feminism, but a strive to have (as he calls it) a "gender transition." Much of what has been talked about in this thread that has been sided with the male side, he has discussed in quite a bit of depth. And he has even mentioned things like men don't get enough backing for their causes, and women have little issue with turning their backs on men's problems (This thread alone displays how when we voice what we have to say, it's considered whining, and we are often met with shaming language). | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 11:47:46 AM | Chameleonf:
I missed the "male or female" thing. I like things the way they are as I also have choices that I didn't have in my youth. Which I totally agree with, I just wish I was aware of them sooner as I could have made better choices, or at the very least knew when I made a bad choice. Perhaps you could let me know what other changes are in the works as it seems nobody wants to tell me, other than there is more coming. I was married to a tyrant, and am glad to have been able to get away. If it wasn't for women, I'd still be stuck. Maybe not, but it was a lot easier to get away at the time than it would have been 60 years ago. To be honest, as I write I'm thinking of what I would fight for and can't think of a single thing. Yet, once women fight for something I think, why didn't I think of that?
In an effort to show my true feelings I'm going to share this with you. I was very naive in my youth. Believe it when I tell you that I had wanted to divorce sooner than I did, but didn't know I could without cause. Like I said, naive. I feel stupid saying this now because in hindsight I finally figured out that many people (men and women) knew this, while I didn't. I then started to talk with others of both sexes and learned other things. I'll admit that at one point I was angry for the wrong reasons, because in time I realized I was really angry because I made bad choices because of a lack of knowledge. I think a lot of people (men and women) make mistakes the same way.
I raised my daughter to be aware of not letting herself be dependent on a man. I raised my son to know that he could leave without judgement, but must support his children. You can see how the 2 relate.
As for my preoccupation with finances, this stems from almost being financially devastated by a woman who financially contributed nothing. Therefore, finances are a big issue with me, especially as I get older. I don't see anything wrong with this, as it allows me to choose someone more compatible in this area.
As far as this thread, or even others that are similar, when the fighting starts it appears that both sides are demanding because, IMO, something is said that conflicts with the choices of the other. We all have choices as we all can choose. Someone who wants children will have the hair on the back of their neck stand up when someone says they won't have children. Someone who says finances are important will do the same with someone who is broke. Someone who doesn't want to co-habitate will do the same with someone who does. It makes for a lively topic, but people shouldn't get too bent out of shape over comments made by someone who isn't even living near you. If everyone is honest with their profiles (which we know won't happen) you'll be able to zero in on what you're looking for. Don't want kids, there's a block for it. Finances important, there's a block for it. Some profiles even have further clarification within the narrative.
Hopefully, I have explained myself well enough to ask you if you know what other changes are coming about, or was this just a tease. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 12:01:47 PM | @ mmadkins...
Isn't Feminism a philosophy? I don't see how it could be a state of mind or behavior. Also, I think that "Feminism" seems to have a varying definition from person-to-person. Of course, there is a formal definition that doesn't vary from person-to-person but it seems that different people have a different understanding about what exactly Feminism is.
Now there's a good point. One might have thoughts from a feminist perspective, or behaviours influence by feminism, so are there defined boundaries between philosophies, a state of mind, or a behaviour?
@ fixedvariable...
Any woman yelling at you over a nice gesture like that is no Feminist, she's just a douchebag.
Not necessarily.
Opening a door for someone is an interaction between two people.
My daughter told me recently that she went to go in a shop and a chap raced across the shop to open the door for her. It wasn't like he was just on his way out, or going in, in front of her. She didn't have her daughter with her in the baby buggy, so didn't need assistance. It totally creeped her out.
How many men, or women do you think would like doors swung back in their faces? If there is objection, I expect its objection at something else.
I suspect the men who get flack for opening doors may be the ones with an agenda, the ones who make women feel uncomfortable, the ones who sexually harass with staring at cleavages and bottoms and making faces and comments indicating sexual interest, rather than just holding the door open as any of us would for anyone else as a matter of common decency.
By blaming feminism, or calling a woman names for protesting, it excuses sexual harassment by men for the benefit of men. It creates a pathway for blaming women for their own abuse, while the perpetrators get to rationalise their behaviour and so continue.
Admittedly I still flinch at the inanity of calling women - at 51% of the population - a minority and apparently there's a new descriptor for it which further boggles my mind: "a minority majority" whew.
That's not so difficult to understand. Its majority in numbers, but minority in terms of privileges.
In roughly some 30% of households, women are earning a higher income than their husbands/partners. Doesn't look so bad.
Well, it depends upon how you look at it.
If the population group is 51%, of whom 30% are the higher earners in partnerships, that leaves a 21% deficit, or nearly half the women still earning less. Conversely out of 49% of men, 70% are the higher earners overall. Equality would suggest 51:49, we have 30:70. That's quite a big gap, yet.
On the other hand, maybe more women would prefer to be primary carers as a matter of the biology involved the creation of children and more men would prefer not to be primary carers, in which case the ratio may be just fine and satisfactory to all, ultimately making this statistic of 30% utterly meaningless.
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On the other hand, we got a HUGE debate here in Quebec, about applying muslim laws like the Charia TEXTUALLY, (which contain juicy stuff like if a man catches a woman cheating, he can lapidate her on the street....) and I`m really wondering where the HELL all the crazy angry and evil Feminists are, because they would be kind of needed right now. My guess is theyre probably scared of getting labelled xenophobes instead of women defending their rights...
I've grappled with this one a little, partly because of my own religious upbringing leaving me ingrained with falsehoods that I've taken a while to work through and shake off.
I've come to the point where I believe the law of the land is for all people of the land. Any changes need to be considered for all people of the land.
This means Sharia law is only implementable where it is compatible with the law of the land, by the usual processes of the law of the land, in which case there's no need to make any changes to include it, unless they go through the usual channels of changing the law for all people of that land.
In Britain, it would also mean that the Catholics have to get their heads round the idea of women clergy, or face legal action just like every other employer.
As for other lands who have, I should say alleged, laws that lack fairness and humanity, like the death penalty in some Muslim countries and some American states for example, I would see those laws changed also, by international pressure.
The problem comes with a lack of knowledge regarding Sharia law from my point of view. I have been told about aspects of Sharia law that may be perceived as community interaction, of the "You smash windows, you clear up and replace them out of your own pocket" variety common in many communities. If a community wishes to interact in a certain way that promotes its health, I kinda think that's a good idea to include that, whether its Muslim communities in Quebec, or Valley communities in South Wales. Autonomy within the law of the land is no bad thing.
@ linux...
the "ladies' wanted CHANGE!, the "ladies" got CHANGE! now we must CHANGE THE CHANGES SO THE CHANGES WE WANTED ARE THE CHANGES WE WANT... WE ARE WOMEN LISTEN TO US ROAR!!!!!! (we have), and they are still un happy with it.. As much as things change,some things always stay the same. Yell and scream "ladies" sugar and spice and all that rubbish.... *shrug* good luck with that :)
The Rule of Thumb was still legal in Britain until 1972, where a man could beat his wife with a stick as long as it was no thicker than his thumb. That's 15 years after my parents married up until I was five years old.
I assume you think we should have stopped there and accepted Spousal Rape and The Law of Provocation as it stood?
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Posted: 4/11/2012 12:14:19 PM |
Dismissal of women and their voice is such a convenient tool of oppression, I understand why you wouldn't wish to change that in yourself.
Who said anything about dismissing women and their voice? Here's a news flash for you......not all women are feminists! To that point, I have a lovely GF who is anything but a feminist - and I found her right here on this site!!
FWIW, she has a soft, sexy, feminine voice.....I do anything but dismiss a voice like that.......lol.........
I clearly twisted up your panties into a big knot on this one so let me clarify again.....I have no issues with feminists outside the fact that I won't date them. The topic at hand is "Feminism - your views". I gave some arguments on why I personally don't date feminists, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate what they have to offer outside a relationship. Like I said before, Feminists contribute greatly to our economy and pay their fair share of taxes so that we here in Canada can enjoy a great quality of life.
I happen to be quite picky about who I date and I've always been vocal about the "filters" I apply to women when I date. Feminists, single moms who say their "kids always come first" are among the top filters I use to screen out women that simply aren't going to be compatible with me. Thats not to say there is anything wrong with them, its just that they aren't compatible with ME and my personality. I'm not bashing anyone and saying they have to change to suit my (narrow) criteria, all I'm saying is that their traits and characteristics don't suit my own - thats all.
We clear on this now, honey? Really no reason for you to be so upset. If you are confident that my views are myopic and less intelligent than those of other men, I fully expect you to use them as your own personal filter to weed guys like me out and ensure you get the man of your dreams..........I certainly have had no problems succesfully dating on this site and IRL by using these filters - the same should work for you. Sound good? | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 12:33:40 PM | really, feminism in western, developed countries are totally without merit
women have all the rights men do
they have had them for decades now
all modern feminism is, is hate
any woman that is one, has deep issues
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Posted: 4/11/2012 12:46:55 PM | Just sayin':
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Posted: 4/11/2012 12:56:04 PM |
My daughter told me recently that she went to go in a shop and a chap raced across the shop to open the door for her. It wasn't like he was just on his way out, or going in, in front of her. She didn't have her daughter with her in the baby buggy, so didn't need assistance. It totally creeped her out.
Personally I think men are fools for doing any favors for women because 1. They, supposedly, don't need our help 2. They don't appreciate anyway, e.g. get "creeped out." The proper term for this is chivalry. Not to worry, there are still plenty of "white knights" who will come to your daughter's rescue when she actually wants them to.
In Britain, it would also mean that the Catholics have to get their heads round the idea of women clergy, or face legal action just like every other employer.
No they don't. What the secularist fails to understand is that there are some laws that are above the "law of the land" which changes with every political wind. Maybe someone should look into whether woman in Britain were better off before Henry VIII or after, protestant propaganda notwithstanding.
The Rule of Thumb was still legal in Britain until 1972, where a man could beat his wife with a stick as long as it was no thicker than his thumb. That's 15 years after my parents married up until I was five years old.
Well that depends on how thick his thumb was. There was a little thing called WWII and D-Day that the men of that generation were recovering from. It doesn't leave much patience for arguing with feminists. As always men still have to go to war and in general, do societies dirty work, but now we have bend over and take it from the government every time some womyn complains.
I assume you think we should have stopped there and accepted Spousal Rape and The Law of Provocation as it stood?
Let's combine chivalry, women's privilege, and rape in a story.
A woman is walking down the road from Jerusalem to Jericho a man attacks and begins to rape her.
A feminist walks by. She thinks to herself that the man doing this is a filthy pig but not much different from any other man. She makes a few notes for her next women's studies lecture and walks on.
An average young woman walks by. She screams and hollers for help but she knows that she cannot directly intervene because she would put herself at risk. She runs on.
A feminist man, a white knight, walks by. He intervenes for the woman getting raped but the rapists turns and stabs him with a knife. He dies.
An ordinary man walks by. He sees the woman being raped. He looks at his watch and walks on by.
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Posted: 4/11/2012 1:01:21 PM | Ramperbill:
Hindsight is 20/20 for all of us with respect to what we didn't know but should have known, but it makes it all the more important that when we have children who will likely blissfully head off into relationships, that they are taught beforehand and continue to question and learn, as well as those who are our age. In the end, we are responsible for our own knowledge.
Hopefully, I have explained myself well enough to ask you if you know what other changes are coming about, or was this just a tease.
As for my preoccupation with finances, this stems from almost being financially devastated by a woman who financially contributed nothing. Therefore, finances are a big issue with me, especially as I get older. I don't see anything wrong with this, as it allows me to choose someone more compatible in this area.
Almost everyone goes through a financial devasation to one degree or another when a relationship ends. Some fair better than others and some perceive others to have faired better than them. It's a case by case situation, although I do believe, as I've said before, that men do tend to get ripped off in a number of ways, but more particularly in geographical jurisdictions where legislation has been slow to change. Where I'm from, it's as close to 50/50 as you can get, except where matters of child custody and child support payments are concerned. It's still too much a throw of the dice from one judge to another.
Since you have indicated finances were one of your main sore spots, I'll provide you with some highlights on new Will legislation that came into force here in Alberta in December of 2011, just four months ago. I'm lucky in that sometimes interesting and informative stuff crosses my desk that others may not be aware of if it's not widely publicized. People, particularly at our age, are faced with the dilema of finances and how to recoup or how to protect our interests either exiting relationships or entering new ones. Here are some highlights from our new legislation - you may already have it in your neck of the woods or it maybe being looked into:
- A gift to a spouse or adult interdependent partner is revoked if the marriage or partnershp ends. This applies to both Wills made under existing laws and the new legislation, but only pertains to relationships that end after the new legislation comes into effect;
- Entering into an adult interdependent partnership agreement or marriage no longer nullifies your Will so long as your Will is made after the new legislation comes into effect;
- A spouse or adult interdepndent partner has the automatic right to stay in the home they shared with the deceased for three months after the death regardless of any contrary intention expressed in the Will;
- A surviving spouse may make a claim for their share of matrimonial property from the estate of their deceased spouse regardless of whether divorce proceedings have been commenced. This rule will not apply to adult interdependent partners;
- If you have been living separate and apart from your spouse for over two years and you die without a Will, your spouse is not automatically entitled to a share of your estate;
- If you have not given your entire estate to your spouse, the possibility exists under the new legislation for a spouse to make a claim for one-half of the matrimonial property, as well as anything they receive under your Will.
Again, this is just one example of changes being made. You will note that it isn't gender specific and the legislation didn't come into effect strictly as a result of one gender's efforts, but it definitely came into effect because there was some form of financial devastation going on.
I have seen other changes and proposed changes with respect to child custody which is proposing fairer access to children, which is used as a huge bartering chip or punishment when people split. I won't take any further time to look these up, but just thought I'd provide you with the one with respect to Wills that was still on my desk.
Most people will look at the above and think, "How wonderful, here we are trying to get into relationships and she's telling us some of the new changes when getting out of them intentionally through divorce or unintentionally via death." No one figured when they entered a relationship that it would/could fail. We let emotions override good sense and planning. If you educate yourself before entering a relationship, everyone, men an women, should come out far better than they do now without planning or without educating themselves ahead of time. Enter new relationships where both parties understand the ramfications of ill planning should they not take the time to obtain the education, as ramperbill indicated was a major problem in his own bad experience. Change can be slow, unfortunately, and particularly so for those who are suffering the most, be it a man or a woman, however, just sitting back and complaining, not educating yourself and not educating your children, will not make it better for you or them in the future. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 1:07:59 PM | | Ohh yeah, woman are cowards, tell that to Joan Of Arc, Margarethe Cammermeyer, the Red Detachment of woman, (Female front line soldiers in the Maoist army) Rani Lakshmibai, both a queen and a front line soldier. We have lots of historical records of woman both being willing, and able to fight, and die for what they believe in. And I am one of them, ask any guy who was there with me to bounce some out of line dip shits with my mag light, I was the first up, telling these two idiots bigger then me, keep harassing that bar tender and they are out the door. I will defend, with my life, anyone who is getting harmed, male or female, I am not afraid to be hurt, I am not afraid to die. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 1:21:05 PM | feminism is simply about equal rights, about fairness and not seeking to oppress anyone
its about "human rights"
for so many poeple, also me 20 years ago, thought well dont we have equal rights as women? Legally yes, but in society and workplace, education..... in reality no.
By the way i was twice royally screwed by men due to relationship breakup financially, if that makes some men feel any better.
And no that will never happen again. Did that make me a men hater? No, but will put appropriate paper work in place, so this will never happen again.
I have a kid and i hope to teach him what i value, equality, morals, education, integrity and learning are just a couple of them.
And yes he plays with boys and girls. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 1:49:08 PM | Chameleonf:
Thank you. I figured if anyone would take the time to respond it would be you. I didn't know you lived in Canada though, but laws do seem to spill across boarders. I revised my will last year, and although these laws are of little concern to me, they are still interesting and actually better than the present laws where I Live. For example:
- A spouse or adult interdepndent partner has the automatic right to stay in the home they shared with the deceased for three months after the death regardless of any contrary intention expressed in the Will;
Here, a partner that lives with you cannot be written out of the will. The partner gets 50%, son/daughter 25% each (or whatever I designate). Also, my children cannot force partner to sell to collect now, but partner must pay property taxes and upkeep expenses while living there. This could last for years depending on the age of the partner. Upon partner's death, her 50% goes to whoever she designates. If property taxes or upkeep aren't maintained, partner can then be forced to vacate through sale. This is what the attorney said, hope he knew what he was talking about.
Edit to Add: Partner must also pay full mortgage if home isn't paid off. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 1:49:37 PM | | Thanks Mr Cule for the laugh, what a bunch of ridiulous scenerios to try and justify some misguided belief that women's rights is to blame for all your problems. I'm curious what rights you have had to give up for women to have their rights the same as anyone else, to have choice and live their life as they wish. I agree that the family court and divorce settlements have to change so that they are fair to both sides, changes are happening although slowly, again if you want change use your voice and help those organizations that are trying to make positive change. Be proactive instead of sitting on the couch and blaming those bad feminists. If someone holds a door for me I always say thankyou, it's the polite thing to do and thats how I was raised, but I've also had men and women slam it in my face or push past me, rude people come in all shapes and sizes and is not gender specific. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 1:54:48 PM | | Any logical person will agree with the original ideas of feminism. However, the current state of feminism has grown to become some what destructive to both men and women. I have educated myself on their views. Much of their ideals are just downright contradictory. They believe women should have a choice in governing there own lives. However, when men and/or women do not follow the feminists' ideal lifestyle, they are met with derogatory and shameful remarks (as we have in some posters comment on this very thread). The new feminist boast that women are equal to or greater than men in almost every aspect. However, they promote misandric laws in order to "protect" women. By the way, misandry is not commonly recognized as a word. They view domestic violence against women as a heinous crime, which I agree with for both men and women. But, they view domestic violence against men as humor, entertainment, and empowering (I can fill up your iPod with the AWARD WINNING SONGS ALONE). | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 2:08:50 PM | | Myst, I agree with you mainly :) but the problem isn't feminism, I am a feminist, I support a woman, and a mans right to choose what ever suits them, I actually admire a stay at home dad the way it stands, because it is actually more of a piss off to the system. I got a hell of allot less judgment being a full time mom then a full time dad would. But I get allot of judgement for being a construction worker, the problem is, people want to pigeon hole everyone based on what they look like. People are so caught up with their ego an attitude that they believe any human that doesn't act or think like them, is somehow messed up. Most of our isms should be more about teaching tolerance then about legislating equality, to err is human, to really screw things up requires government intervention :P | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 3:24:45 PM | Try telling the woman scraping plaque off your teeth that it's a man's world.
Female dental hygienists earn eight percent more than their male counterparts, according to online salary database PayScale.com.
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While U.S. Census statistics historically show that women's earnings lag men's, they don't show the whole picture, says Katie Bardaro, PayScale's lead analyst. They only compare median earnings of all full-time, year-round workers. But break earnings down by profession and compare equal factors such as experience and education, and men don't always make more, Bardaro says.
Many of the jobs in which women earn more than men are either female-dominated jobs or extremely male-dominated jobs.
That's no surprise to Caren Goldberg, a professor at American University in Washington, D.C., who studies workplace gender issues. "Women in traditionally male-dominated jobs are rewarded for bucking the stereotype, while women in traditionally female jobs are rewarded for 'fitting in,'" Goldberg says.
Delana Nelson, a dental hygienist of 25 years living in Rapid City, S.D., not only had a female mentor in a field with 95 percent women but also feels she has excelled. Her pay and responsibilities have grown, and today she co-owns and manages her husband's dental practice.
What other professions offer females the opportunity of better pay than men? PayScale lists five below, followed by that job's median female pay and a comparison to men's pay.
Facilities Director - $74,200
Pay above men's: 9 percent
A facilities director's duties vary by the organization but generally involve managing buildings, grounds, equipment and supplies. In small organizations, experience may be all you need. But in large organizations, you might need a bachelor's degree and more experience.
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IT Network Engineer - $64,200
Pay above men's: 5 percent
Kelly Tollefson, an IT network engineer, is the only female on her Bellevue, Neb., office's team of 13. She said employers seeking workplace diversity pay women more as an incentive.
Employers often require a bachelor's degree. Some prefer a master's in business administration with a concentration in information systems. An associate's degree or professional certification with related work experience may be sufficient.
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Advertising Broadcast Producer - $55,600
Pay above men's: 9 percent
Nan Pike, an advertising broadcast producer at Bozell, an Omaha, Neb. advertising firm, says she's never encountered obstacles or special treatment because of her gender.
"It's all about if you do the job," she said.
The job involves facilitating all areas of the broadcast production process for a client, from budgets to timelines. Employers often prefer a bachelor's or master's degree, often in advertising or journalism. Relevant areas of study include marketing, consumer behavior, visual arts, art history, photography or market research.
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Television Producer/Director - $53,500
Pay above men's: 9 percent
People in this role can follow many paths to employment. Producers often get their start working in a performing arts union or for a press agent, managing director or business manager. Directors often enter the industry as actors or writers or assisting other directors.
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Legal Assistant - $33,400
Pay above men's: 6 percent
Most legal assistants have an associate's degree in paralegal studies or a bachelor's degree in another field with a certificate in paralegal studies. Community colleges are the typical route, but a few schools offer bachelor's and master's degrees in paralegal studies. Some employers offer on-the-job training, and most don't require certification. Some certifications require renewal tests and continuing education.
When Kari Frangos decided to become a paralegal following a layoff from her advertising job, she bypassed school by landing a job with training from senior paralegal mentors -- two of whom were women.
"They wanted me to succeed, so they were always willing to give me feedback," says Frangos, who now works as a paralegal at a Houston litigation firm. "I absolutely love it and think it was what I was destined to do."
-- Find legal assistant jobs
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Posted: 4/11/2012 3:57:42 PM | By the way i was twice royally screwed by men due to relationship breakup financially, if that makes some men feel any better. And no that will never happen again. Did that make me a men hater? No, but will put appropriate paper work in place, so this will never happen again.
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Anyone who would say it makes them feel better has a problem. Not to be negative, but twice is once too many. Its OK to make the mistake once (I did). There are women who think this can't happen to women. These women think that these laws provide for them only. I have said before, and maybe nobody believed me, and I wouldn't do it, but in my discussions with people I have found many ways to take someone to the cleaners. These laws work both ways. The law must be followed. Therefore, you should learn them, or at least inquire about the ones that might pertain to you, so that you cover yourself and your children. The law provides ways to protect yourself. Exercise that right. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 4:23:06 PM |
The Rule of Thumb was still legal in Britain until 1972, where a man could beat his wife with a stick as long as it was no thicker than his thumb. That's 15 years after my parents married up until I was five years old.
Ah, that definition has been debunked as a load of horseshit many times.
Cecil tells it like it is: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2550/does-rule-of-thumb-refer-to-an-old-law-permitting-wife-beating
The whole women and the vote is a stupid, specious argument as well. Most PEOPLE couldn't vote until the early part of the 20th century. Men couldn't vote if they didn't own land until somewhere between 1910-20. Aboriginal Canadians couldn't all vote until 1960.
Women in Canada have special rights that men do not have under our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
There was a whole movement a few years ago by feminist groups here in Canada that attempted to shut down, even prosecute, men's groups because they were standing up and pointing out such horrible lies such as men being victims of domestic abuse, paternity fraud, parental alienation, discrimination in family courts and such like.
The only group I know of in Canada that can be shit on with impunity, or any other fecal matter, is the one that is made up of white males.
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Posted: 4/11/2012 4:24:05 PM |
This is a big manhater club and most of you know it. Oh men oppressed me!!!
Not so much, no.
I don't see any man-haters in this thread, but there are plenty of man-haters on the forums in general. Just look at some of the threads and comments within them.
I realize that there was/is probably a small core of feminists who did/do want to destroy the family, but I believe that most women who supported the concept of gender equality were simply looking at the idea of allowing women to be equal citizens in our society,of having more options to pursue higher education and a greater choice of careers.
Yes.. not to mention:
the right: to bodily integrity and autonomy; to vote (suffrage); to hold public office; to work; to fair wages or equal pay; to own property; to education; to serve in the military or be conscripted; to enter into legal contracts; and to have marital, parental and religious rights
and it takes exceptional comprehension and reading skills to weed out those crafty feminists.
Just wondering... are they speaking in tongues?
Why is he such a bad guy for not wanting to date someone who hates him?
The reality is that it's man-haters he doesn't want.. and I can't blame him at all. Sadly, he's lumping feminists and man-haters together. But, obviously.. he'll date whoever he damned-well pleases, which is kind of how this whole dating business works anyway.
I think that a lot of the women in here are sabotaging themselves.
I am a feminist.
I went to an 'all girl' school, and have 2 degrees.
I was also a 'stay at home' mother to my children.
--what is the big kaffuel about?
Women should be kinder to each other... that is all I am saying.
I know, right.
So is the theory that a woman whose life-plan includes staying at home and raising the kids she plans to have wouldn't also want to attend school and get degrees? Why wouldn't she, is my question? It's not like she has to pick only one option.
This is because women are actually starting to see true face of feminism. It's fugly.
Sorry. While it has, in my opinion, been turned into something fugly at least for the last decade, it sure as hell didn't start that way.
For woman to be strong and independent is an equivalent as for man being weak mommas boy.
Why does he have to be weak if she's strong? Makes no sense.
I suspect the men who get flack for opening doors may be the ones with an agenda, the ones who make women feel uncomfortable
I still see quite a few women berating a guy who opens the door for her or holds it for her simply becaause they arrived at the door within seconds of eachother. It's ridiculous.
I get being creeped out, but sometimes it IS just kindness/chivalry/any combo thereof. Women get creeped out by the weirdest things, in my opinion.
any woman that is one, has deep issues
Sorry. I don't have issues AND I AM more interested in Women's Rights in other countries not so advanced in that area as we are, for obvious reasons. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 4:25:55 PM | Casper66 wrote:
I agree that the family court and divorce settlements have to change so that they are fair to both sides, changes are happening although slowly,...
OK, we agree. But I don't sense any urgency in your agreement, which is logical since you're currently benefiting from the status quo. It doesn't seem to be of concern to you why we have the current laws or what groups and persons were responsible for implementing them. Families, children, relationships, society, are all suffering because of these laws but you quip that "changes are happening" whatever that means.
And you say that my scenarios are ridiculous and good for a laugh. Well I can see how, taking advantage of men's favors, men being falsely accused of rape, men having to fight and die in war, would be ridiculous to you. It's just not an urgent concern of you and your tiny female world.
Be proactive instead of sitting on the couch and blaming those bad feminists. ... people come in all shapes and sizes and is not gender specific.
This is the typical "not all women are like that" response that is heard over, and over, and over, and over, again, WITHOUT simultaneously admitting that any actual women are actually like that. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 4:48:40 PM | Try telling the woman scraping plaque off your teeth that it's a man's world.
Female dental hygienists earn eight percent more than their male counterparts, according to online salary database PayScale.com.
While U.S. Census statistics historically show that women's earnings lag men's, they don't show the whole picture, says Katie Bardaro, PayScale's lead analyst. They only compare median earnings of all full-time, year-round workers. But break earnings down by profession and compare equal factors such as experience and education, and men don't always make more, Bardaro says.
Many of the jobs in which women earn more than men are either female-dominated jobs or extremely male-dominated jobs.
That's no surprise to Caren Goldberg, a professor at American University in Washington, D.C., who studies workplace gender issues. "Women in traditionally male-dominated jobs are rewarded for bucking the stereotype, while women in traditionally female jobs are rewarded for 'fitting in,'" Goldberg says.
Delana Nelson, a dental hygienist of 25 years living in Rapid City, S.D., not only had a female mentor in a field with 95 percent women but also feels she has excelled. Her pay and responsibilities have grown, and today she co-owns and manages her husband's dental practice.
What other professions offer females the opportunity of better pay than men? PayScale lists five below, followed by that job's median female pay and a comparison to men's pay.
Facilities Director - $74,200
Pay above men's: 9 percent
A facilities director's duties vary by the organization but generally involve managing buildings, grounds, equipment and supplies. In small organizations, experience may be all you need. But in large organizations, you might need a bachelor's degree and more experience.
IT Network Engineer - $64,200
Pay above men's: 5 percent
Kelly Tollefson, an IT network engineer, is the only female on her Bellevue, Neb., office's team of 13. She said employers seeking workplace diversity pay women more as an incentive.
Employers often require a bachelor's degree. Some prefer a master's in business administration with a concentration in information systems. An associate's degree or professional certification with related work experience may be sufficient.
Advertising Broadcast Producer - $55,600
Pay above men's: 9 percent
Nan Pike, an advertising broadcast producer at Bozell, an Omaha, Neb. advertising firm, says she's never encountered obstacles or special treatment because of her gender.
"It's all about if you do the job," she said.
The job involves facilitating all areas of the broadcast production process for a client, from budgets to timelines. Employers often prefer a bachelor's or master's degree, often in advertising or journalism. Relevant areas of study include marketing, consumer behavior, visual arts, art history, photography or market research.
Television Producer/Director - $53,500
Pay above men's: 9 percent
People in this role can follow many paths to employment. Producers often get their start working in a performing arts union or for a press agent, managing director or business manager. Directors often enter the industry as actors or writers or assisting other directors.
Legal Assistant - $33,400
Pay above men's: 6 percent
Most legal assistants have an associate's degree in paralegal studies or a bachelor's degree in another field with a certificate in paralegal studies. Community colleges are the typical route, but a few schools offer bachelor's and master's degrees in paralegal studies. Some employers offer on-the-job training, and most don't require certification. Some certifications require renewal tests and continuing education.
When Kari Frangos decided to become a paralegal following a layoff from her advertising job, she bypassed school by landing a job with training from senior paralegal mentors -- two of whom were women.
"They wanted me to succeed, so they were always willing to give me feedback," says Frangos, who now works as a paralegal at a Houston litigation firm. "I absolutely love it and think it was what I was destined to do."
http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/03/01/jobs-where-women-earn-more-than-men/ | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 5:05:57 PM | pitufina 77
That you dont want to marry and have kids you are called a retrograde? I am in the same situation and I agree that people tend to relegate you to the outer rims of their lives if they have families and kids.
It is always hard to be in the minority.
I got to the stage of telling people that I was not able to have kids and gained more acceptance that way. But more and more these days it is that women are opting not to have kid and have the choice and sometimes are just single mothers more than once as well.
As for marriage, many are just living together even after they have kids and marriage in the main is not working out well for a lot of people.
You have to be true to yourself and it takes courage not to go with the mainstream.
How many are in relationships that they just settled for, to be seen as "normal"?? | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 5:19:45 PM |
Sadly, he's lumping feminists and man-haters together.
Feminism is a hateful ideology. It isn't even about misandry because some feminist just want everyone to be just like them. Conform or die attitude. Anyone with opposing views regardless of gender is regarded as oppressor or instrument of oppression.
it sure as hell didn't start that way.
No one is arguing that. Like socialism it's a good idea.
Why does he have to be weak if she's strong? Makes no sense.
Communication error again it seems. We seem to have different ideas on attraction and relationships. I see attraction as a classic model of two opposites. Masculinity and femininity, strong and weak. Now human behavior is far to complex and diverse to just quantify into positive and negative. There are varying degrees of difference and similarities but usually perfect combination of both balance each other out and you get sexual attraction and eventually love. There are many different characteristics that have two polar opposites. Actually everything in the universe has two polar opposites. Anywhere you look it is most likely balance of two opposing forces. It does not signify conflict. Combination of two is what creates that balance. People are remarkably diverse. Strong, weak, positive, negative and with everything in between. Usually two strong, independent people will repel each other like two protons and it's counterproductive to bring them together. Most people find harmony when they complement each other. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2012 5:37:24 PM | ^^^ ok, I think I see what you mean.
Feminism is a hateful ideology. It isn't even about misandry because some feminist just want everyone to be just like them. Conform or die attitude. Anyone with opposing views regardless of gender is regarded as oppressor or instrument of oppression.
I disagree completely and I can't even pretend like I know where you're getting your info on Feminism, either. It has been taken over by nasty snots, as far as I am concerned, but it WAS about rights. k, so we're not arguing that, but it does suck to say in this thread (like I did way back there somewhere) "I am a Feminist" and become some man-hater in the minds of quite a few of the men in this discussion.
Really sucks. | |
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