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| | Feminism Your ViewsPage 24 of 44 (4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44) | It looks like the "war" between Feminists and REAL Women has made its way into US political headlines. See the web site below.
http://news.investors.com/article/608065/201204171629/feminists-not-republicans-go-to-war-against-women.htm
The text below is copied from that web site.
The big mama of feminism who is revered in college women's studies courses, Simone de Beauvoir, famously said:
"No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one."
That's what feminists think. The strident voices that demand "choice" do not believe women should have the choice to be a homemaker rather than work a paid job in the labor force.
Meantime "pouring oil on troubled waters" is becoming a less tenable option as the planet runs out of oil and clean water! | |
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Posted: 4/19/2012 7:56:23 AM | @ vampyr...
Radical feminism was necessary at one time now it's annoying as most things radical.
We are in the third wave. Absolute freedom that can be acquired. (not in all parts of the globe yet)
I'm not saying women "should be objectified" because as a feminist I would be insane to suggest that.
They can however finally follow their true nature and "if" it is sexual objectification, of the need to be gang banged, men should not judge them for it.
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On another note we could argue that women are "as" responsible for their past and present status as the men are.
I personally think evolution is responsible for everything and like the Honey Badger evolution does not care. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2012 10:43:21 AM |
Radical feminism was necessary at one time now it's annoying as most things radical.
We are in the third wave. Absolute freedom that can be acquired. (not in all parts of the globe yet)
Sure any day now, that'll happen...
Charity don't surf, (but some think she should).... | |
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Posted: 4/19/2012 10:51:08 AM | | Not any day but has it ever changed in my small lifetime. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2012 3:08:08 PM |
The big mama of feminism who is revered in college women's studies courses, Simone de Beauvoir, famously said:
"No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one."
I find it sad as hell that the supposed "big mama of feminism" actually uttered this. Just goes to show that even the very first feminists are as clueless as a few of the people in this thread.
That's what feminists think. The strident voices that demand "choice" do not believe women should have the choice to be a homemaker rather than work a paid job in the labor force.
Then I think that whoever believes something that ridiculous is NOT a feminist... no matter how loudly she claims to be one. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2012 3:24:42 PM | Don´t think, be sure about it.
Hence the book "Who stole the feminism?" which with all its limitations is a good reading for a wake up call.
I still remember that the woman who started it all with "The Feminine Mystique" was even crucified when rejected the turn of events with the radical line of thinking. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2012 3:29:45 PM | I've asked people, "are you for equal rights among the sexes?" that say, "yes."
I've asked these same people, "are you a feminist?" to which they say, "no."
Many people have a misunderstanding as to what feminism is really about, and that's equal legal treatment. Feminazis give the movement a bad name, when really, if you're a true American, you're a "feminist".
Really the term should just be abolished. It's a lot harder to say you aren't for equal rights than it is to say you aren't for feminists. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2012 4:14:59 PM |
For you to make it out as if she isn't as obligated as a man or she shouldn't have to pay is just silly.
Well if it came across that way....that's not what I meant. Let me try again. First of all when a couple get divorced and the male get's custody....I was under the impression that the woman has to pay the same percentage of CS (depending on how many children) as the man. Is this NOT correct? Is there some sort of law that I'm not aware of that say's women don't have to pay the same percentage as men??
You said:
Case by case women on average pay less child support. www.census.gov/apsd/www/statbrief/sb95_16.pdf
You said case by case women on average pay less child support. OK.....so like I said when a couple get's divorced....and the man get's custody....then I'm under the impression that the woman has to pay the same percentage of her salary as the man. So what are some of the things that would make a woman.....on average...pay less child support?
.As LadyC pointed out...one reason women pay less is because many times they MAKE LESS.
LadyC: In many cases, according to the stats we hear on an almost daily basis,the woman parent doesn't earn as much as the male parent. I belief there are statutory constraints against taking over a certain percentage of the nc parent's income. So if a man making 50K a year and a woman making 30k a year get a divorce and the man is the custodial parent, even if the court takes the max allowable percentage of her income, it will not be as MANY dollars as would have come from a nc father earning 20K more than the mother
I’m not sure what all the other reasons are for a man OR a woman to NOT be awarded CS to begin with? Except one thing comes to mind and that would be because the other person is not ABLE to pay child support for one reason or another…..possibly because they don’t have a job? I only brought up the woman and losing custody because like I said….women I have known that lost custody…..were so messed up themselves….that they couldn’t even take care of themselves….much less children….which is why they lost custody to begin with. Since it takes a lot for a women to lose custody….then it stands to reason that a lot of men that do get custody…..are dealing with an X like this….an X that isn’t able to pay. I’m not excusing it….I’m just saying. Do I think it’s right? No I wouldn’t think it was right if it was a man that couldn’t pay either. But what can you do about it….like the saying goes…you can’t get blood out of a turnip. In your case…..your X gave you custody. I’m not sure if you were awarded child support or not? If not? Then yea…..I would think it was pretty crappy and I wouldn’t understand it?? I think when people have children……they need to take care of their children financial……male or female. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2012 4:17:02 PM | How dare you continually put down feminists as a whole.. It's outrageous...
When you stop insulting ALL feminists, we'll show you respect, deal?
Third wave=woman have the right to be objectified, spanked and kept in a constant state of sexual arousal.
That’s a good one. You’ll be comatose and snoring before the 11 o’clock news.
Let me guess….you’re hung like a racehorse and flex in the mirror during sex like Christian Bale.  | |
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Posted: 4/19/2012 5:32:07 PM | The next person coming around the corner has to kick down a door to save your life from a fire, are you praying the next person is a man or woman?
The first damn thing I'm going to do is try to save MY OWN life. Failing that-I'll just pray that whichever gender they are, they have the mental resources and training to choose the safest and most effective way for their own abilities and both our safety...impetuously kicking down a door might create back draft, provide more oxygen to the fire and thereby make it worse. The BEST course of action might be breaking a window to get into the building. That does not require brute strength.
With a background of physical labor, etc-women can be very strong. I spent YEARS working alongside men in factories doing the exact same job. Even when I had a husband. There were things and goals we wanted that took both of us working to obtain.
I did farm work as a teenager-and for most of my adult life I handled hay bales and 50-even 100 lb. bags of feed.
If I need a damn jar of pickles opened- it's gonna be on me to do it.
As for what some of the radical early feminist authors wrote- hey, they were expressing their own opinions and philosophy. Which has no force of law or statute.
Feminism-if you want to label it that way-was,and is, simply about a wider range of options for women AND men based on their abilities, interests, talents,etc. Remember, too that some changes in the statutes have made it possible for MEN to file sexual harrassment charges, and to file a complaint of rape if sexually assaulted, or coerced into sex by either gender.
I know that there do seem to still be inequities in child custody/child support issues that it will take time to bring into balance. Those of us who consider ourselves humanists DO NOT want gender equality distorted into a means for women to "have it both ways" or to "have their cake and eat it too." However, there ARE inescapable biological differences that will have to be taken into account.
It's a work in progress.
Cindy O | |
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Posted: 4/19/2012 7:49:23 PM | No matter what "feminists" SAY, the end result of feminism is not only estrangement from men and increased hostility toward men (DUH, lesbians invented the entire stupid movement) but also a severely decreased fertility rate.
Sorry to have to lay the truth on you, despite the idiotic objections that will now come. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2012 10:24:23 PM | | We should embrace our womanhood, not try to be more like a man. Cherish who we are, not change to be something less. We just want to be treated as a person that can follow our goals or what we wish to do in life without being held back because of our sex. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2012 7:32:26 AM | @Fleuron, Msg: 608
If a woman wants a man who is hung like a horse, she better be built like a mare! See web site below.
http://www.thehorse.com/pdf/anatomy/anatomy12.pdf
Note: metric converter may be required. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2012 8:45:19 AM | @fleuron:
Third wave=woman have the right to be objectified, spanked and kept in a constant state of sexual arousal. That’s a good one. You’ll be comatose and snoring before the 11 o’clock news. Let me guess….you’re hung like a racehorse and flex in the mirror during sex like Christian Bale.
My initial impression of his post was also not flattering...but if you read his profile, despite his poor choice of words, he was attempting to make the point that women can now choose "to be objectified, spanked and kept in a constant state of sexual arousal" (i.e. they can now own and enjoy that part of their sexuality if that's the way they are wired).
I don't believe, based on the rest of his profile, that he means that ALL women SHOULD be treated that way, but that those who wish to be, have that right and choice. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2012 9:22:02 AM | "How dare you continually put down black men as a whole.. It's outrageous...
When you stop insulting ALL the brothers, I'll show you respect, deal?"
msg 608
How dare you continually put down feminists as a whole.. It's outrageous...
When you stop insulting ALL feminists, we'll show you respect, deal?
Okay I saw this last night nd thought when you realised that it's a false abysmal comparison you'd remove it...
But no, okay you are comparing your defense of feminists with my defense of black men.
This is from a thread where a womn continually sys she doesn't find black men attractive, but i explained to her that all black men were not drug-dealing gangsters and it wsn't fair to tar ALL black men with that brush, and she accepted she should differentiate, right? Okay.... Being black or female or having slanted eyes are genetic traits, inherited from parents.... A political ideology is not.... Okay?
Anyone who identifies willingly themselves as a feminist I am generally not going to see eye to eye with, nor do i want their respect, in fact, the more distance between me and such people the better...
Feminism is a false god, an altar on which many great things have been sacrificed, and well I will go so far as to call it a type of mental illness. Its adherents have trouble with logic and basic facts. To wit, there are at least 2 women here who cannot accept a simple statement like men are stronger than women without a long drawn-out argument.... Waste of time to argue such people.... You're one of 'em...
Third wave=woman have the right to be objectified, spanked and kept in a constant state of sexual arousal.
That’s a good one. You’ll be comatose and snoring before the 11 o’clock news.
Let me guess….you’re hung like a racehorse and flex in the mirror during sex like Christian Bale.
My initial impression of his post was also not flattering...but if you read his profile, despite his poor choice of words, he was attempting to make the point that women can now choose "to be objectified, spanked and kept in a constant state of sexual arousal" (i.e. they can now own and enjoy that part of their sexuality if that's the way they are wired).
I don't believe, based on the rest of his profile, that he means that ALL women SHOULD be treated that way, but that those who wish to be, have that right and choice
Yeah, got it wrong here too, Fleuron.... Couldn't resist a chance to attack a man.... who's on your side!!!!!
You couldn't make it up. ROTFLMAO! | |
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Posted: 4/20/2012 10:36:31 AM | Feminism is a false god, an altar on which many great things have been sacrificed, and well I will go so far as to call it a type of mental illness. Its adherents have trouble with logic and basic facts.
wow! To equate feminism with a form of mental illness in the same paragraph as indicating it's proponents have trouble with logic and basic facts is rather ironic, to say the very least.
Waste of time to argue such people....
Then I suggest you quit while you're not ahead and save your precious time. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2012 11:19:24 AM |
Feminism is a collection of movements aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women.[1][2] In addition, feminism seeks to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist is a "person whose beliefs and behavior are based on feminism."[3]
Yeah-OK, it's from Wiki. Still, I see nothing there about false gods or mental illness. Any philosophy or political theory can experience adherents who over-interpret or distort it. I suspect that's because we're people, not machines or computers.
For those who find "feminism" so appalling-are you prepared to surrender your right to vote, to own property, to prosecute a man who subjects you to violence and/or sexual assault? Are you prepared to do whatever you have to do-with VERY limited options!- to provide for yourself and your children if your husband deserts you? Are you willing to forego your right to own property or obtain credit? You do understand that you of course CAN forego all the aforementioned things, but that many women do not want to be regarded as 2nd class citizens and chattel property of their father or husband. I don't see where that makes them mentally ill.
Cindy O | |
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Posted: 4/20/2012 12:00:58 PM | Now I worship feminism? No, I just use it as a tool, to further my agenda, which is to break doors down in a very hard to access as a female career. I do not think a person, male or female should be limited by what genitalia they were born with. I have this odd theory that if a person wants to do it, and they push themselves hard enough, they can do it, I have seen to many cases of people overcoming and doing things that are against what everyone says they can do. This goes for any person. I'll claim the title until I feel there is no longer need for me to claim the title.
See I get so sick of people passing judgement on anyone who dares defy what is considered acceptable for them, be it male or female. I think humans have an inherent right to pursue what ever makes them happy as long as it is not harming anyone else directly. And regardless of the whining, offending someone based on acting outside of what you would like, and you would expect of them, isn't harming you.
And as much as you offend me with your judgement, truth is, I argue, but you aren't harming me, and I defend your right to say what you do, but hope you change your judgmental ways. I personally think this world would be a hell of allot better if people quit being so judgmental and let other humans be themselves. Waits for the damn man hater accusations :P those make me lol, | |
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Posted: 4/20/2012 12:11:01 PM |
how it may affect some women's lives & way of thinking
It gave me choices my mother and my friends' mothers didn't have. It gave my husband choices that my father's generation didn't have. They didn't really have choices come to think of it. All they had was pressure to conform to society's expectations and I can't remember any of them who were happy about it. I've never felt stuck in my life and I'm endlessly grateful for that. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2012 12:28:38 PM | 4_All_Seasons_CA:
@Fleuron, Msg: 608
If a woman wants a man who is hung like a horse, she better be built like a mare! See web site below.
I felt kinda tingly after following that link….is that normal?
It must be some evolutionary anomaly that compels men to be so hung up (haha) on their penis sizes and pretend that they are comparable to much larger mammals. I honestly can’t say I wouldn’t do the same if I had one.
PittsburghVixen:
My initial impression of his post was also not flattering...but if you read his profile, despite his poor choice of words, he was attempting to make the point that women can now choose "to be objectified, spanked and kept in a constant state of sexual arousal" (i.e. they can now own and enjoy that part of their sexuality if that's the way they are wired).
Ah, if only it was that easy…..to want AND receive what we want sexually. ~Sigh~ We can dream, right?
My response to his post was prompted by my extreme skepticism that this scenario would ever be likely to happen in real life. Hey, if a man could do it, I’d like to meet him. 
Yeah, got it wrong here too, Fleuron.... Couldn't resist a chance to attack a man.... who's on your side!!!!!
First. Negative generalizations about ANYone is sucker punching hypocrisy. Period. (Disclaimer: IMO.)
Endeavoring toward mutual respect will go a heck of a lot farther than demanding respect while acting disrespectful.
Second. What attack? What side? I speak for myself, no one else.
4_All_Seasons_CA doesn’t appear to have been mortally wounded by my post…he was a good sport and just wanted to share naked horse penis pics with me. 
And he didn’t say that he wouldn’t be asleep snoring by 11…or that he didn’t flex like the yummy mouth watering Chris Bale? did he?
Probably your semi-hysterical responses could be tempered if you chose not to regard other women as goddesses. Honestly, that’s not necessary. ( blush )
Try not to pop an artery, there. It’s only the forums. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2012 12:55:38 PM |
the end result of feminism is not only estrangement from men and increased hostility toward men (DUH, lesbians invented the entire stupid movement) but also a severely decreased fertility rate.
Care to support this by citing your sources? You do understand that not all homosexual people HATE their opposite gender? Duh-if one's sexual orientation dictated that one must hate the gender that was not their preferred sexual partners, then straight women would hate women and straight men would hate men.
It is demonstrably possible for women and men to desire equal treatment for themselves and their respective genders, in educational and economic opportunity, in recieving equal justice under the law, and the right to control their own bodies,without being homosexual, lesbian or hostile to their opposite gender.
a severely decreased fertility rate.
Really? Again-cite your sources. Having more birth control options and choosing to have fewer children is not a "decreased fertility rate". Yeah, families are smaller and there are women who postpone childbearing or decide to forego biological motherhood-but that doesn't mean that there is a "decreased fertility rate". Decreased fertility rates occur because of physical/environmental issues, not sociopolitical theories.
Cindy O | |
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Posted: 4/20/2012 1:16:01 PM |
Feminism is a false god, an altar on which many great things have been sacrificed, and well I will go so far as to call it a type of mental illness. Its adherents have trouble with logic and basic facts. To wit, there are at least 2 women here who cannot accept a simple statement like men are stronger than women without a long drawn-out argument.... Waste of time to argue such people....
Thank-you Charity, appreciate the comments because I believe that this is how many, many men feel these days.
Feminism, by virtue of the men who funded and promoted it, has gained for women a measure of power and privilege that they will not give up willingly. No group ever gives up power willingly. It has to be taken. So, as far as I can tell, this will not end well. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2012 1:51:26 PM | Feminism, by virtue of the men who funded and promoted it, has gained for women a measure of power and privilege that they will not give up willingly. No group ever gives up power willingly. It has to be taken. So, as far as I can tell, this will not end well.
The way the above is worded, it's as though there is a power struggle where something is being taken away from someone. That's not what feminism is, although from the way it's worded, it sounds as though some men believe power has been taken away from them that they feel they need to get back. What exactly is it? Feminism is (or more properly was to a greater degree) a power struggle only insofar as obtaining the power of freedom of choice and equality, where there was at various points in time, very little to none. What exactly is the power that you wish to regain, Mr. Cule, that you believe you have lost? Is it to take away freedom of choice of a woman and put them back in some point in time that made you, yourself, feel more powerful about? What, specifically, have you personally lost by feminism? Why should women give up the freedoms, choices and equalities that they have now? Would you want to give up all those freedoms, choices and equalities that you now experience? If not, why on earth would you believe that a woman would? | |
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Posted: 4/20/2012 2:19:03 PM | ^^^
What exactly is the power that you wish to regain, Mr. Cule, that you believe you have lost? Is it to take away freedom of choice of a woman and put them back in some point in time that made you, yourself, feel more powerful about?
Yes. I believe in patriarchy. | |
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