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 verygreeneyez
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How someone can allow someone else to accuse someone with little or no evidence and make an arrest is beyond me.

Sadly, this happens all day every day in the US. This is the land of "prove yourself innocent" not "innocent until proven guilty." And this is also why the court dockets are over-whelmed, the jails over-crowded, and why many times, plea bargains are made rather than seeking actual justice. Police are no longer truly "to protect and serve" but rather to arrest and let the court system bear the burden of sorting out the facts vs. the fictions.

The fact that technically so much as raising your voice to a SO is considered domestic violence and is an arrest able offense. I've had my SO raise her voice I don't consider it abuse. I'm not for running through the hallways and screaming at each other but if she raises her voice I don't really see the problem. If your in a relationship your going to disagree and your going to argue and sometimes you need to fight it out.

While I agree this is generally the "norm" it's not always the case. The romantic love of my lifetime and I never once had an argument, certainly never a "fight" and no voices were ever raised. We simply fit one another and our communication style fit one another as well. (Which is very likely why I've opted to remain single/alone since that relationship ended ~ because I see no reason to be in a relationship in which arguing/fighting/yelling/discontent/malcontent/lacking boundaries/etc., exists.)

What kind of husband am I going to be if every time she starts yelling at me I walk away or I walk away and call the police.lol No one should get physical. Keep your hands to yourself.

No offense intended, but you'd be the kind of husband that most should aspire to be and that most women would be grateful being married to. Walking away is exactly what one should do when one or both parties can't control their tone, volume or the words leaving their lips.

~OT~ I'm not really certain how/why this feminism thread has evolved to this stage but I think it's fairly well documented here that inequality goes in all sorts of directions, not simply against or for one specific gender. Inequality exists. Fat-ism, ageism, racism, etc., etc., etc., is alive and well and will likely be so infinitely. Bias/prejudices have and will always exist. Since reading this thread, I've had time to think about we women of the "west." There are a lot of people in the world far more oppressed than we are. Sort of sad to think that we're complaining about equality when we're likely the most "fairly" treated women in the world. JMO
 cautiousluv
Joined: 10/4/2008
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Posted: 4/23/2012 10:41:38 PM
Yeah I got it all set up already I bought a bunch of stuff from the toysrus on Fairmont baby bed and the works. My first grand baby and I feel way to young to be a grandfather. It is my step daughter but I consider her mine and the baby is a girl. :) I'm so excited!!!:)

That's awesome! And yea....I know a little something about an 18 yo daughter getting pregnant. I was so ticked off at her for being so "careless" and getting pregnant and yet....now....I can't imagine my life without my Gson. He's 2 and a half......and nothing but pure joy!! ........ Sorry....I know I veered OT.
 vampyreshadow
Joined: 3/21/2011
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Posted: 4/24/2012 2:07:03 AM
I complain about equality while I am fighting for it, greeneyez. Like I have said I have been on both sides of the battle, used shit that would have made my life easier, though it would of gone against my grain (as a false threat) against a man in defense of another man. Alimony (because his ex wife genuinely was a gold digger, and would have put off marrying my ex to collect alimony). I've also struggled with the inequality in my trade, I would just like a chance to prove I can do the job, you know how frustrating it is, to be sent away without an interview after they schedule you one? Just because your female? I happen to know how this is. Because it affects my life and the life of my friends. because we are more equal then some, doesn't mean we can't do a small part to change the world (even if its just our own)

Its funny how often I get accused of being a pissed off man hater :P Happen to love men, some of my best friends are men. I am still a feminist no matter how many folks hate the term, never was big on the popularity contests :P
 --Zen--
Joined: 6/29/2011
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Posted: 4/24/2012 6:02:09 AM

I really hope that this poster “Arielle” is really a man (and a troll) but that is terrible enough! If not than she is *NO* “feminist” but a fake hypocrite on the side of sexist gender inequality,male dominance,dehumanization of women,and woman hatred! *you* and anyone else like you is who gives *true* feminism an ugly bad name!

I know sadly all too well the effects of even “soft-core” pornography’s sexist ojectification of women,because I was repeatedly treated as nothing but a sex object,and grabbed at in my crotch and breasts as a big busted beautiful girl by many teen boys,2 of the many who treated me this way repeatedly, used pornography but this was in 1979 so hardcore wasn’t mainstreamed and accessible like now. One of these 15 year old boys made 2 verbal references to the women in Playboy and another shoved a pornographic magazine into my face and said,Here is a picture of a girl fingering herslf! Not that it ever justifies it in any way,but I just wanted people to know that I wore no make up and never wore any provocative clothes.

When I was 25 in 1990 (before pornography was even on the internet and not nearly as mainstreamed) I spoke to Rhea Becker at the now sadly former feminist Women’s Alliance Against Pornography & Education Project .I spoke to her off and on until January 1993 and I asked her to send me any information on the harms of pornography and she sent me a lot. I told her that when a lot of men come to my house to fix or deliver things,they made sexist and inappropriate sexual comments and stared at me which made me uncomfortable and that I never wore provative clothes and had little and sometimes no make up on.I told her they were treating me like I was just someting to F*ck,and she said yes and that all comes from pornography.I had so many experiences like this even when I was as young as 13 by some men even and it really was sexual harassment.Rhea also told me that my experience of being sexually abused by boys or men who use pornography is very common and that she knew quite a few women who had similar experiences.She also always said we live in a society that hates women. And she once said most men hate women and then they marry them. And women give birth to sexist woman-hating pornography users! A woman having a son is the same exact thing as a Jew giving birth a to a Nazi or a black person giving birth to a Klu Klux Klan member or any other racist! I feel sorry for any kind women or geunine feminists who have sons!

I couldn’t walk down the hall without some sexist degrading comments made by many other boys as well about how big busted I was and they also grabbed at another big busted girl who wasn’t even pretty. But it wasn’t just teen boys,when I was 14 I was sitting on the artroom steps with a boyfriend and the artroom teacher who was at least in his late 20′s early 30′s said to a whole room full of 15 year old boys that the boy I was sitting with said it was his turn after his.I’m sure he was a porn user too and got the attitude I was just a thing for boys and men to use for sex and take turns with! I actually am in some way a little “lucky” that this was in 1979 when images of men ejaculating on women’s faces and bodies wasn’t mainstreamed and all over the place,(back then women were just things to feel,f*ck and forget,now we are nothing but things to feel,f*ck,ejaculate all over on,call woman-hating names and forget! we have really come a long way baby!)because then they wouldn’t just have grabbed at my breasts and crotch,but would have ejaculated or at least tried to on my face and breasts!

When I was 17 a school evaluator said that a lot of guys are going to want to get down my pants! Where do we think the teenage boys learn these kinds of sexist,woman-hating dehumanizing attitudes towards women from,the whole sexist,woman-hating male dominated sick society,the pornography that came from it,and the adult men who use it and are influenced by it all.Dr.Michael Flood said to me in an email back in 2002 after I told him about my experience,that he has no doubt on the connection of young men’s pornography use and their sexual abuse of girls and women.And there is plenty of research and testimonies of girls and women about this.


Stumbled across this in my surffings last night. I don't know what's it like in feminist world but we don't need to go far to find misandry. I do realize it's a radical and emotionally unwell element. I'm sure there are prominent examples of misogyny. Perhaps with slice of radical feminism and slice of radical masculism we can find a neutral territory.
 cubanguy
Joined: 8/1/2007
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Posted: 4/24/2012 6:29:54 AM
Feminist propaganda at his best to perpetuate demonization of men.
Luckily, it´s to be assumed is only from a poster in a forum and not one of the many who writes books with the same tendency to feed lobbying groups for influence of enacting laws to then , perpetuate the myth.
I still remember one of those feminist mantra/billboard: "if we send a man to the moon, why not to send all of them?"
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
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Posted: 4/24/2012 6:35:53 AM
The difference is that the slogan is funny.

I haven't seen much of the anti-pornography stuff in years. But there used to be lots of it out there. Feminism has matured and recognized that it's just a gender difference. Or at least most of it has.
 ThorntonReed
Joined: 8/11/2010
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Posted: 4/24/2012 6:54:48 AM
There's loads on here to comment on but I thought I would just point out that the following statement is completely untrue.
"Men have always had all the rights they could ever want or need without anyone getting in the way of it."
The default position throughout history is for there to be no rights, for anyone. The concept of anyone having rights is only a few hundered yeras old.
 motown_cowgirl
Joined: 12/22/2011
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Posted: 4/24/2012 7:03:23 AM
^^^^ i think you are making a semantic argument that's sort of a strawman thing.
although you did make an important point, historically speaking.
substitute "privileges" for "rights".
and WHO set it up so that there were no rights for anyone in the first place??
*men*.... the kinds of guys who put the 'ick' in 'dick'.
gotcha.
lol.


One to screw it in,
one to excoriate men for creating the need for illumination,
one to blame men for inventing such a faulty means of illumination
one to blame men for not changing the bulb,
one to blame men for trying to change the bulb instead of letting a woman do it.....

^^^^^ haha. 'excoriate'. good word.

god, i miss the days when people had to immediately repudiate themselves every time they uttered the word 'man'. remember??
 magicallaroundme
Joined: 3/9/2011
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Posted: 4/24/2012 7:09:07 AM

Perhaps with slice of radical feminism and slice of radical masculism we can find a neutral territory.


What a deflating thought. What is this neutral territory supposed to look like? What percentage of misandry are we negotiating to leave in place? A No Mans Land, yes. A DMZ, no. Not only do you approve of and endorse misandry, you also risk having some right wing wacko getting women back into the kitchen. Feminists don't belong in my kitchen, my house, my job or my city. There is no justifiable reason to end any of it. No man should have to consent to live with feminism nor should he have to consent to live in the nukalur famly under Jayzus. Let men transcend the corruption of both or let them die out.
 prometheus1666
Joined: 4/4/2012
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Posted: 4/24/2012 9:04:54 AM
http://www.avoiceformen.com/women/hypergamy/a-game-not-worth-the-candle/

read:)
 cubanguy
Joined: 8/1/2007
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Posted: 4/24/2012 9:38:23 AM
"I haven´t seen much of the anti-pornography stuff in years".

Now that you mention it... I remember that one: pornography is the fantasy, rape is the practice".
I took it so seriously, got so impacted by the statement, so scared by the possible influence... that I didn´t touch a porno magazine in a month.
 --Zen--
Joined: 6/29/2011
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Posted: 4/24/2012 10:12:55 AM
Not only do you approve of and endorse misandry, you also risk having some right wing wacko getting women back into the kitchen.

haha now that's a stretch. Pointing out existence of hatred isn't exactly endorsing it now is it?


There is no justifiable reason to end any of it. No man or woman should have to consent to live with feminism nor should he have to consent to live in the nukalur famly under Jayzus. Let men and women transcend the corruption of both or let them die out.

Precisely that kind of DMZ but I have to include women, they are kinda essential for human race. Hate is unsustainable by it self and there are no light without darkness.
 ThorntonReed
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Posted: 4/24/2012 10:21:18 AM
"^^^^ i think you are making a semantic argument that's sort of a strawman thing.
although you did make an important point, historically speaking.
substitute "privileges" for "rights".
and WHO set it up so that there were no rights for anyone in the first place??
*men*.... the kinds of guys who put the 'ick' in 'dick'.
gotcha.
lol."

Only in the way that all arguments are semantic on some level due to the fact that they are constructed from words and I don't see how it can be a strawman when it's a direct quote and the quote is so unequivocal.

Even if you swap rights for privilege it doen't make much difference.

All you could really say is that although the general population may have enjoyed very little rights or privilege, the women from the same groups enjoyed even less than the men. That's quite a long way from what is said in the initial quote.

As for 'who set it up so that there were no rights for anyone in the first place' you would have to put that down to various ruling classes, monarchies, etc... that are made up of both men and women, oppressing the general population that is also made up of men and women.
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
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Posted: 4/24/2012 11:33:05 AM

And she once said most men hate women and then they marry them. And women give birth to sexist woman-hating pornography users! A woman having a son is the same exact thing as a Jew giving birth a to a Nazi or a black person giving birth to a Klu Klux Klan member or any other racist! I feel sorry for any kind women or geunine feminists who have sons!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I feel sorry for the IDIOT who said this. WTF??!!

Zen-you didn't say where you got this "essay"-but as far as the young lady being mauled by male schoolmates-where in the HELL were this girls PARENTS? Why was she not telling THEM what was happening so that they could intercede? I know if I had come home and reported such experiences to MY parents, they would have freakin' DISMANTLED the school brick by brick-and I was in school BEFORE Title IX.

In fact, supervision at the public school system I attended were so annoyed by dating couples wallowing on one another in the halls between classes,that they passed a "no physical contact while on campus" rule for all students.

Given that nowadays little boys get charged with sexual harrassment for kissing little girls, and that 6 yr olds get arrested for bad behavior-I an HIGHLY suspicious of the excerpt you posted. I can't quite bring myself call "bullshit" on the "essay"-because from some of the things I 've read in this topic make me think there are other jurisdictions that are seriously screwed up in terms of family and sexual behavior laws-so perhaps the author of that essay was subjected to such reprehensible male behaviors...but it sure as hell sounds like a lot of people dropped the ball in protecting the personal rights of the young lady.
Cindy O
 ronosaurus
Joined: 7/22/2007
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Posted: 4/24/2012 2:04:27 PM
In message 792, LadyC4 said
"some of the things I 've read in this topic make me think there are other jurisdictions that are seriously
screwed up in terms of family and sexual behavior laws"
. All too true; see below.

I just returned home from a dental appointment where my dentist asked me to sign a petition against a new law in
Ontario that is being ridiculed (but not entirely ignored) by dentists. See web site below.

http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfeatures/article/977389--ontario-law-means-dentists-who-treat-their-spouses-are-guilty-of-sex-abuse

PS. My dentist is female and does dental treatment for her new husband.
 Mr_Celibate
Joined: 2/16/2012
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Posted: 4/24/2012 2:11:10 PM
@msg 787
nor should he have to consent to live in the nukalur famly under Jayzus.

Reply from on High: Don't appreciate the wrong spelling dripping with bitter sarcasm; so by the way, do you have a better idea?

Let men transcend the corruption of both or let them die out.

Reply from on High: Good luck transcending yourself. Remember Noah. How fast can you build a massive Arc?
 FixedVariable
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Posted: 4/24/2012 3:40:20 PM

I'm not entirely certain why some women are sad when a woman (like, say, me) says she is not/no longer a feminist. Anyone care to explain this to me?


I seem to recall saying that I found it sad that after so many pages of posts, there are still people who don't even seem to know what feminism is based on their comments. You certainly seem to know exactly what it is (based on what I've read of your posts). I don't find it sad that someone disagrees with Feminism, I find it sad that so many nay-sayers don't seem to have a clue what it is.


Whatever it's original intent was, it was derailed by lesbians who taught that women should hate men.


I don't know if lesbians can take the blame for some women's man-hating ways... Just look at some of the threads. Quite a few women who appear to be searching here for relationships (according to their profiles) seem to hate men. It makes me scratch my head.. aren't they looking to date one?


In fact, supervision at the public school system I attended were so annoyed by dating couples wallowing on one another in the halls between classes,that they passed a "no physical contact while on campus" rule for all students.


God how I wish I went to that school. I still have nightmares of the slurping and smacking noises my classmates used to make in the halls *gag*
 RAMPERBILL
Joined: 2/16/2010
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Posted: 4/24/2012 4:20:00 PM
This is a mute issue, and can be fought equally between both sides. Let it go. Instead, find what combines you.
 magicallaroundme
Joined: 3/9/2011
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Posted: 4/24/2012 5:41:07 PM

haha now that's a stretch. Pointing out existence of hatred isn't exactly endorsing it now is it?


not much of one. I've seen several of your posts in this thread and give you full credit for pointing out hatred. Can't take anything away from you on that account. Well done. Where you fall off is the suggestion that one form of hate coupled with another makes a happy medium.

As to the "and women" part that you added to the quote. Women won't and don't have to rise above anything... at least not yet. They always have and will continue to live their lives off the backs of men. What is the incentive not to? They can continue as they are indefinitely.


Reply from on High: Don't appreciate the wrong spelling dripping with bitter sarcasm; so by the way, do you have a better idea?

I do. It just isn't anything you would be much interested in. It doesn't involve "getting back" to the "good old days" or making ones wife submit to you as you submit unto Jayzus. Traditionalism and feminism are both authoritarian ideologies. Both are to be fought bitterly and to the end.


Reply from on High: Good luck transcending yourself. Remember Noah. How fast can you build a massive Arc?


Luck isn't necessary Just the will and resolve to collaborate as little as practical. Screw Noah. Just another example of how weak and stupid a man can be.
 RAMPERBILL
Joined: 2/16/2010
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Posted: 4/24/2012 6:37:20 PM
Luck isn't necessary Just the will and resolve to collaborate as little as practical. Screw Noah. Just another example of how weak and stupid a man can be.
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You have no idea what I can do to you. Test me, and I will show you. I'll make your head spin and you will regroup in no less than 20 years. I don't fear you. It is you who should fear me. I am not weak or stupid. I know what I'm doing, and can give you a good run for your beliefs. Smiles.
 Mr_Celibate
Joined: 2/16/2012
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Posted: 4/24/2012 7:47:04 PM

Luck isn't necessary Just the will and resolve to collaborate as little as practical. Screw Noah. Just another example of how weak and stupid a man can be.

Been there done that my whole life. Single, never married, no children. Never made a "fatal" mistake with women, although Providence, or sorry, blind chance, had more to do with that in my younger days. And Noah? Crazy? or crazy like a fox?


It doesn't involve "getting back" to the "good old days" or making ones wife submit to you as you submit unto Jayzus.

Either you don't understand "traditionalism" or you're just creating a straw man here. Suggest 1 Peter 3 for further research.

Whether we are under a more traditional system or the politics of feminism no man is trying to "make" a woman do anything. They can either take it or leave it. When men stop compromising in their relationships with women for the sake of "peace" or access to sex, then the FUTURE will start turning brighter. This sounds like what you are suggesting and in that sense, we agree.
 emptyvases
Joined: 4/4/2012
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Posted: 4/24/2012 8:10:20 PM
Feminism is a trojan horse that was injected into our society by a group that is historically hostile to white Christians of European descent. Women who follow feminism are weak minded and are selling out their own genetic heritage, without knowing it. There is so much duplicity involved in the movement that I don't really blame women who have fallen for the BS.
Feminism means nothing in terms of any normal male-female relationship. I mean that all of the stupid theories and rhetoric are useless when it actually comes to the reality of daily living.
Feminism is meaningless, useless dogma.
A loving woman would never stoop so low as to embrace such idiotic rhetoric, rhetoric invented by non-hetero women to induce hatred for hetero men.
 magicallaroundme
Joined: 3/9/2011
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Posted: 4/24/2012 8:27:10 PM

When men stop compromising in their relationships with women for the sake of "peace" or access to sex, then the FUTURE will start turning brighter. This sounds like what you are suggesting and in that sense, we agree.


Yes. On that we do agree but now you have me confused. On one hand you imply through citing fundamentalist scripture that you are a traditionalist. On the other hand, you repudiate marriage and children. True enough, you never actually said you were a traditionalist. Having never met a fundamentalist who wasn't a traditionalist, I had no other explanation at my disposal.

The original post that started all this was about how there should be no peace, no compromise and no acceptance of feminism on any level. The often touted head of the nuclear family under Christ is no solution for men at all. Merely trades one kind of despotism for another.
 emptyvases
Joined: 4/4/2012
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Posted: 4/24/2012 8:37:32 PM
Not "despotism" at all.
Every ship needs a captain.
It doesn't imply any sort of abuse, and in fact is quite the opposite.
The man is supposed to show his wife the same sort of love that Christ has for the church.
Despotism? Grow up.
 surfaceofficer
Joined: 8/8/2011
Msg: 775
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Posted: 4/24/2012 9:09:51 PM

Feminism is a trojan horse that was injected into our society by a group that is historically hostile to white Christians of European descent. Women who follow feminism are weak minded and are selling out their own genetic heritage, without knowing it. There is so much duplicity involved in the movement that I don't really blame women who have fallen for the BS. Feminism means nothing in terms of any normal male-female relationship. I mean that all of the stupid theories and rhetoric are useless when it actually comes to the reality of daily living. Feminism is meaningless, useless dogma. A loving woman would never stoop so low as to embrace such idiotic rhetoric, rhetoric invented by non-hetero women to induce hatred for hetero men.


Or they could just be tired of getting paid 70 cents on every dollar a man makes for equal work.

Just a thought.
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