however, like socialism it is unsustainable

You will be surprised how many men raised by raised by strong, good women have relationships problems and end up whining the 'nice guy' crap. Seeking female validation and crying for no apparent reason. Males who are essentially women in male bodies.

The reason I say this and as you see it your sister was screwed over. As I see it my brother was just as screwed over. He was ordered to pay $1600 a month. His ex wife has a job and moved another guy in making just as much with in a couple of months. How is what he is paying going to the child? How can that child cost any where near $1600 a month?An example is let's say their house is $900. With 3 people that's $300 to the child. Lets say electric is $300. That's another $100 cost of the child. Let's say that final figure is a thousand dollars a month. Ok? So $500 of it is hers and $500 of it is his. That isn't fair? Why should one human being be made to support another just because they use to be married to them or they have a kid with them?

^^^ Okay, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you're 27 and you don't know jack shit about real feminism

we all grow up and gain knowledge.

Some things we can excuse to drunken stupidity. Some things we can't.

The whiny males to whom I was referring by and large consider themselves to be the only "real men.". They just blame their misfortunes and failures on women, certain that, if we could just return to the fifties - or better yet, adopt sharia law - they would suddenly have bevies of adoring women doing their bidding, the perfect job, and untold wealth. Happily for women and society as a whole, these males are a shrinking (if vocal) minority.

There's nothing wrong with a male who prefers an exaggeratedly feminine female's company. Different strokes for different folks. But in my experience, it has generally been the stronger, more confident men who enjoy, even seek out, the company of wonen who challenge and question - women who are capable and strong.

There are many women who get along just fine without the company of a male, but this doesn't mean the woman dislikes males at all. There are many men who are pretty much content without a female companion - they can make food and do laundry all by their ownselves - but what is nice about being in the company of these independent folk is the knowledge that you must be pretty special if he or she wants to spend time with you just for you. Not because you are needed to wield a hammer or balance a checkbook...

For me, "need" implies that the person cannot function without the other. You read about women who have been married for decades finding themselves single, and utterly incapable of changing a tire, managing finances, etc. she may have no education or job skills. This woman "needs" a man. Or some other caregiver. Personally, I've not met a woman this helpless, but they might exist.

BUT. Sonetines ethanol just let's loose that which simmers beneath. There was a very different tenor to some of these men. They were not exasperated or frustrated with women - they loathed them and feared them. Again. This is not the norm, and their pathology can't be blamed on being male alone.

Just because some women take their exhusbands to the cleaners after divorce does not mean that all do, or even that most get enough help to care for their kids.

woman may enjoy dressing up occasionally, because she likes feeling attractive.

All I've heard from women nearly my entire life is how they don't need a man. As a man how do you think this can affect someone?

mean as a man to run around to strangers and shout I don't need a woman to everyone who will listen how stupid would that make me look?

I don't get the reasoning behind the perceived need to say this? It doesn't even make sense if you think about it. Does it? A saying like sh*t happens at least makes sense.

If mom can't afford your children, then perhaps the "best interest of the child" would have been to place them with dad.

I've noticed that most of your big executives love to hire attractive female secretaries, and it makes me wonder if she is really all that qualified or is she just cute, especially compared to all of the unattractive women and/or the men that applied for that job. This is one thing that I often think about when I see attractive women in high-paying positions.

You just gave the best reason for why women should be feminist

In your world, love and marriage will be compeition in which a couple will battle to be the more deserving spouse...and it's all about money.

So based on overhearing a random [drunken] conversation that was -maybe- 30 minutes long before someone changed the subject, you feel you have enough data to try to psychoanalyze these men? Where did you get your degree from?
Just sayin...

How many, women are willing to marry broke and/or unsuccessful men?

How many women balk at the idea of signing a prenup?

Moreover, it's certainly all about money when you're talking about -divorce- and separation of assets.

Seriously? A degree is needed to interpret body language, tone, phrasing, intent? Most people who really listen to others, especially those who've spent decades dealing with people on a one-to-one level,

an immature young person who is very good at Googling,

Considering how many couples fall in poverty and low income category, I'd say a lot.

The percentage of men that need to shelter their wealth are pretty small in relation to the population.

Maybe it is to some, I don't know. Having been divorced more than once, it's never been my main focus....nor anyone I know. Most are just glad to get out of an unhappy situation.

Well the national average for families under the poverty level is at about 11%. If you actually give a number value to that, it would be considered "a lot," but it's largely the minority.

I think that the idea of not protecting your assets is pretty dumb. But some people like to live in their own fairy tales. You don't buy a brand new car without insurance, but whatever.

Most are also very happy to get a "severance package" to for "past services," male or female.

But I don't know why that would be gender specific...women have to protect their assets as much as men these days.

Actually, according to the stats, a man that gets divorced ends up better off financially than when he was married.

It wouldn't be gender specific. However, it seems to be that women are more anti-prenup than men are. Regardless, that is why I kept the comment that you quoted gender neutral.

He still takes quite the hit early on. It's most likely to do more upward mobility at work because now the only person he needs to look out for is himself. He can downsize his living space if need be, travel more if the job requires it, has more reign of the financing of his money, among several other factors. It only makes sense if you ask me.

Really? What percentage is "most?". Do you have a source stating that divorced folk claim happiness with a "severance package?"

I'm certain that you are far more familiar with the emotions experienced by both men and women in divorce than, say, women and men who have actually lived through it, so we await your elucidation of our reactions with breathless anticipation!

Really? Or maybe the just don't expect a contract for failure like men do? How could we know?

So I don't understand why they complain.

^^^lol! I bow to your vast wisdom, accumulated through your life experience and, I am certain, rigorous formalized education. You are absolutely correct! All women are gold diggers, flashing cleavage to get ahead, expecting special treatment. And anyone who accepts the label of feminist is definitely a baby-killing lesbian! With hairy armpits.

If you read the op, you will see that he asked what feminism means to us personally. I googled my views on the subject, but came up empty. Mea culpa, buddy! I will make certain I am able to cite sources for all of my personal views and experiences in the future!

And...jumping into a thread, pulling a quote out of context, harping on something completely off topic and snarking at strangers...boy. That was a TERRIBLE thing for me to do! I am sore ashamed...

Please accept my most heartfelt apologies, and my apologies for all the other ball busting diesel dykes out there!