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Know what else is a disorder? Dating 18-21 virgins ONLY. When your 35. You know me, just throwing that out there...
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Posted: 5/25/2012 6:08:57 AM |
see feminism reared its ugly head again as a football player was in jail for rape and as usual the woman had lied about it yet she was magically believed just because they ahd sex, as if that means it's rape
Hey, consider him lucky,he's only in jail; in other countries, they chop your peepee off. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 7:50:21 AM | ""I know that there is a tendency to want to see one's own situation as "the norm"-and I suppose if one has had a failed marriage and broken family, that it might give a sense of comfort to think that the majority of American families are broken and failing. But I'm NOT seeing it, and-other than HERE(PoF forums)I'm not hearing from men who think that the American family is broken and that "feminism" is to blame. ""
Well, if you're not seeing it then I guess it doesn't exist. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 8:11:26 AM | | how can people argue that the family unit hasnt eroded over the past 50 years....more babies being born out of wedlock...divorce rates higher....started going downhill when women entered the worforce enmasse and hyphenating their last names after marriage | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 8:31:35 AM |
But women are more likely to get over loss of sexual desire so they need to do even more. lol
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So, how's life on Zebtron?
Been on Earth long?
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Posted: 5/25/2012 9:52:27 AM |
how can people argue that the family unit hasnt eroded over the past 50 years....more babies being born out of wedlock...divorce rates higher....started going downhill when women entered the worforce enmasse and hyphenating their last names after marriage
I was testing a TV tuner yesterday, and caught Dr. Phil cousnseling a family on TV. The family had two boys and the father was verbally abusive (and maybe physically since the mother had to call child custody numerous times), but denied ever calling his son worthless. When the son countered that he often does, in his denial he actually berated his son for "blaming me for your inadequecies" displaying to the audience that he uses the type of language that implies it, and Dr. Phil's world reknowned shrink guest who wrote books on the subject pointed out he just did exactly that in public. The Dr. then explained to the audience that while boys needed there fathers more than girls did, having no father was preferrable and better to the well being of boys than having one around that was abusive. He didn't look like a feminist to me. Blame it on modern psychiatry for our enlightenment and high divorce rates, but I grew up also believing I should never have to accept repeated abuse of any kind....and thank goodness we have choices. I think if you're offeneded by hyphenated names, you're probably not very secure in your masculinity. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 12:45:42 PM |
how can people argue that the family unit hasnt eroded over the past 50 years....more babies being born out of wedlock...divorce rates higher....started going downhill when women entered the worforce enmasse and hyphenating their last names after marriage
Ever stop to think it has more to do with "people" - not just women, not just men - having an incredible inability to plan their lives out? There is such a display of instant gratification/greed. Don't plan to have a family - just screw around and use minimal birth control methods and call it an "accident" should a pregnancy result. Or only one of you "plan" to have a child without consulting the other. Don't be set up financially for it either so one person CAN stay home to look after them at least until they enter school. Now that you have them under those conditions, that cramped lil apartment that was great for romantic interludes isn't going to be convenient, you say. Soooo, we need to get a bigger place - but wait!!...we have friends who have a house and we can't be made to feel like we aren't just as successful and have our chit together, so let's buy a house that we can't afford, let alone not being able to afford the children we're producing. Oh dear, now we can't afford to have one of us stay with the children - guess we'll both have to go out to work and we can blame the "economy" and the mortgage lenders for making our instant gratification whims so available to us. Now things aren't so great, we fight all the time and we really didn't know each other all that well while we decided to have that next to unprotected sex that started the whole ball rolling. It's unbearable - I want out of this relationship/family! Damn that feminism!! Let's blame it - after all, we have no culpability in the matter. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 12:56:06 PM |
Well, if you're not seeing it then I guess it doesn't exist.
The point is, it's about perspective, not just what you see with your eyes.
Example..a young parent swats a rowdy small child on the behind. One person sees child abuse that they believe exists behind every family door, another sees the firm discipline that they perceive as lacking in modern parenting.
No, in my personal little corner of the world, I DON'T see a 50% marriage failure rate, I don't see a large percentage of messed-up kids. I'm not so foolish or so sheltered as to try and claim that I don't know any divorced people, problematic kids or screwed-up families, of course I do. But I don't spend time combing media sources to come up with "evidence" "supporting" the downward slide of marriage and family, because I don't need to hunt for statistics as a means of self-comfort.
In fact, I'm not so sure that "family" is in such a downward slide, I think it just has some different faces these days.
TBH, there was a time when I used all the bad news I read here and in other places to comfort myself for not having quickly secured another man that I truly wanted to be with,as spouse or long-term SO. Now that I've had more of a chance to experience being single(that means without a LONG-TERM partner, not that I never date or never have relationships) I realize that I don't need that self-comfort. It is what it is.
And given the alarming stats I see regarding the failure rate of 2nd, 3rd, (and up) marriages, I wonder how many of those are failing BECAUSE people rushed into a new couplehood rather than really listening to their own hearts?
No, I have absolutely no doubt that for those who want to find "examples" and "proof" that something has screwed up traditional marriage and family roles, that there is "evidence" in plenty, and also lots of scapegoats.
Well if they find out the woman lied in those cases they need to at the very least do a full female circumcision on her. But women are more likely to get over loss of sexual desire so they need to do even more. lol
....started going downhill when women entered the worforce enmasse and hyphenating their last names after marriage
Really? REALLY!?
Wow-just-wow. This is, IMO, an example of why more choices for women can be a GOOD thing. Yes, I know the argument could be made that "feminism" is the CAUSE of these rather alarming opinions. But then we get into the whole chicken and egg debate...
The Dr. then explained to the audience that while boys needed there fathers more than girls did, having no father was preferrable and better to the well being of boys than having one around that was abusive.
That's an excellent point, but what do you wanna bet that someone will counter it with an opinion that feminism has made it necessary for fathers to be more harsh to their sons?
Regardless of your gender, as a parent, if you think that teaching your kids to be accross-the-board suspicious, distrustful and disrespectful of their opposite gender, is wisdom, then-IMO-THERE lies the root of the problem.
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Posted: 5/25/2012 12:59:48 PM | Good points Thinkinginca. The 50s and early 60s were a great time for men, not so much for women. Domestic abuse was considered more of a private matter. Divorces were frowned upon and there was a lot of pressure for women to remain with abusive or unhappy relationships. That "golden age of the family" was post WW II, when marriage rates were at an all time high, kids got married right out of high school, women were expected to be domestic servants, faced 3 decades of childbearing until menopause, had relatively little political power, nor resources to fall back on if they divorced, and drinking and pharmaceuticals were available to tolerate what life had given them. Thalidomide was one of the drugs of choice to handle the depression until the side effects proved so horrific.
After WW II, women who had experienced the joys of life and satisfying work outside the home were shoved back into domestication when the boys returned. The women had a taste of what could be and there was no turning back.
The advent of the Pill was one of the most liberating events in that era, allowing women to have control over their reproduction and more time and freedom to pursue other aspects of life other than being a breeding stock. Feminism was a result, a symptom, of the hidden unhappiness that pervaded the world of women then. June and Harriet did not represent all women. Having a known abuser in the house, opened up other kids to share their stories about their homelife and that of their moms. It was a lot more common than many still choose to believe.
Feminism is just another word for liberation and equality. Of course there were those who were a bit harsh but who could blame them after decades of being treated as second class citizens or worse. The children of those 50s housewives learned from their mistakes and embraced the new-found rights. The first time my sister's last ex grabbed one of her daughters and threw her across the room was the last time he set foot in that house. As you pointed out, people don't have to put up with that anymore and the divorce rates reflect that. When my mom finally found the love of her life, she refused to marry him citing, "I don't want to grant him a liscense to take me for granted". That the the last low-life tried to steal her house out from under her.
The guys here who look back in fondness to that mythical era seem not to have a clue or care what it really meant for women. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 2:02:06 PM |
The advent of the Pill was one of the most liberating events in that era, allowing women to have control over their reproduction and more time and freedom to pursue other aspects of life other than being a breeding stock.
Hmmmm... too bad women didn't use this new found, liberating event, responsibly.... 'cause, there are one hell of a lot of women squirting out a hell of a lot of kids without really thinking about the responsibilities of their choices....
... seems they turned themselves into a new kind of "breeding stock" when they could have chose not to do so...
... or, maybe they just forgot to read the label on the dozen or so methods of BC that is available to them... 
The guys here who look back in fondness to that mythical era seem not to have a clue or care what it really meant for women.
Well, at least you agree that the era you yap about is mythical: ergo, the men "who look back in fondness" must also be mythical....
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Posted: 5/25/2012 6:09:41 PM | I am a feminist, it says so on my profile.
Unlike you, I don't need to abase myself and resort to name calling.
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Posted: 5/25/2012 7:05:45 PM | ""Feminists are noptorious (sic) for being the ones attacking others.""
I don't think so. I just think smart human beings are bang on in calling out an idiot for writing juvenile statements. Smart human beings also want fairness and equity for all genders. Just because you have testicles doesn't mean you get to make the rules. And the same goes for those with vaginas. Fair is fair and just is just.
There have been some very interesting and thoughtful statements made by both genders on this thread. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 7:37:46 PM | I don't want to interrupt this fine rant you guys got going....
just puzzled.
as it seems to me....
arguing about women...
to abunch of other women....
probably isn't helpful in getting one.
But what do I know.
carry on.
I'm sure you guys can tell women
how to be women
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Posted: 5/25/2012 7:51:56 PM | ^^^So are hapless chauvinistic men.
Feminists are not just out to stop chauvenists.
Can you guys please go look up the origin of the word "chauvinist", please? Sorry, but it's one of the terms that's thrown around without anyone even understanding what the fvck it means.
Both of you are chauvinists. There are female chauvinists and male chauvinists. There are female pigs and there are male pigs....
... and, speaking of pigs, in threads where men and women are pitted against each other as they are in this thread, I always think of George Orwell and his book Animal Farm: "ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS"...
... currently, I think women are more equal, at least by law in Canada where their superior equality is written into our Charter of Rights and Freedoms....
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Posted: 5/25/2012 8:07:44 PM |
Hmmmm... too bad women didn't use this new found, liberating event, responsibly.... 'cause, there are one hell of a lot of women squirting out a hell of a lot of kids without really thinking about the responsibilities of their choices
Hmmmmmmm too bad men didn't wear condoms to protect themselves against unwanted pregnancies, unless these were all emaculate conceptions, it takes two to make a baby and both are responsible not just the woman.
Feminism is basically about women having equal rights in our society, thats it, bad things happen to good people all the time, it's not something you can control, blaming feminism for what happens in your life and the choices you make, shows a lack of personal responsiblity IMO.
Since most of my family members and friends have been married for 25-50+years, and all of these successful marriages involved a working male and working female, raising a family together I find it funny how people blame feminism for the breakup of the family unit. People tend to look back in time with rose coloured glasses on, thinking everything was fabulous, the reality is people got and stayed married because that is what you did in those times, you had very little choice for the man or the woman, I prefer to have a choice in my life not be dictated to by some outdated and distorted image of the good old days. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 8:10:30 PM |
But they about had a ehart attack when Limbaugh said WRODS (the truth) about a law student.
Everything Limbaugh said about Sandra Fluke was a lie. Absolutely everything. Also, his interest in who paid for her contraception is grade school, and saying she should post sex videos of herself so he could get off was revolting. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 8:20:17 PM |
Hmmmmmmm too bad men didn't wear condoms to protect themselves against unwanted pregnancies, unless these were all emaculate conceptions, it takes two to make a baby and both are responsible not just the woman
I agree. Any man who trusts what a woman says about her birth control is a fvcking idiot. Women have all of the control once they accept a guy's sperm. Men are stupid to trust that, absolutely.
Feminism is basically about women having equal rights in our society, thats it, bad things happen to good people all the time, it's not something you can control, blaming feminism for what happens in your life and the choices you make, shows a lack of personal responsiblity IMO.
Absolutely... just as women continuing to blame men for women's professed current oppression and disadvantage in 2012 shows a marked lack of personal responsibility.
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Posted: 5/25/2012 8:30:04 PM |
Thus why they don't say a word about that whole Hustler issue where they portrayed a conservative woman in a sexual situation.
Go to the Daily Beast site. Read what Gloria Steinem has to say about the issue. And the Women's Media Center. And even that law student who was slandered by Rush.
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Posted: 5/25/2012 8:59:32 PM | So why can't we leave that pendulum thing they keep talking about in the middle and hug and part ways? I can't be responsible for what other men do. I can't be responsible for what other men say. Some of these men are on this thread are sad.
I was answering someone who was making nasty comments about feminist, but I see he deleted his post. I wasn't talking about any other man....just him.
**See post 1083 for the comment he deleted.
Chauvinist - Prejudiced belief in the superiority of one's own gender, group, or kind
Any man who trusts what a woman says about her birth control is a fvcking idiot.
So I guess that means there are just as many men that are fvcking idiots as there are stupid women. I guess we can't claim there isn't equality. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 9:54:06 PM | Women are women and men are men. Together we comprise the human race.
Not sure how we came to be. God, a big bang , evolved from some primordial slime to become the advanced creatures we are?? Darned if I know.
But, whatever universal knowledge designed men and women sure knew what they were doing. I mean, look at our reproductive parts in respect to gender. Made to fit together and when they do, and egg meets sperm voila! Life continues.
So, I'd have to say I am a feminist in the sense women are over half of the population. Women, for the most part are the nurturing half of humanity that is the first human we all have contact with. Why would you not respect women?
Or men, for that matter? We're equal, and infintitely different. Women can do things I could'nt and vice versa. I respect women for who they are and realize they are, and will be better at some things than I am. Equal treatment in all aspects of life should be a given, to me anyways.After all, if you diss the women you're dissing half of humanity. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2012 11:31:27 PM |
Actually this is very true to me. I'd like to add as a consideration that maybe women were never really powerless. Kind of depends on your view of power. I think of it like a scale and to me it's always been as balanced as it can get for the times. Mothers almost always get the choice to be stay at home moms and dads don't so often. How is that not also oppression?
You're 37. You didn't even live through those times barely. I'm 49 and even in my time, it was much better than a decade earlier. How could you possibly know to judge even the things that EP's mom had to relay of her experience? You should have asked that 90 year old woman you helped what she felt about her "equal freedom" back in her day.
Not an ounce of encouragement? You weren't encuoraged by the people that gave you kudos for being an obviously caring dad? What else did you expect? And what positive thing have you said about women so far?
Really, we're all strangers with our own prejudices, hoping to come to some common ground...and that's probably about all you have the right to expect...anything else is icing on the cake....and will come only if you're equally thoughtful and complimentary in your views. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2012 2:42:30 AM | Most women can't compete physically with men. I'm no shrinking flower, but I can't. For those women blessed with that kind of strength, u go girl!
Wow. You seriously believe it is an advantage for a woman to be strong physically?
I don't get competitive mindset. I like dolphins, I believe they are very wonderful creatures but I'm not gonna try to out-swim one. I would not be impressed if there are a human that can and I doubt a dolphin would care. Competition is archaic for us. Humans have no real need for it. It's a primal urge and I do understand a need to give in to primal urges ones in a while but competition between genders is simply ridicules. I believe it is a huge sign of insecurity when there are gender competition. Why not just embrace and admire the differences?
Feminism is basically about women having equal rights in our society, thats it
Initially it may have been but the ideology it self is damaging to society in various ways. Just like 99% movement there are backlash against feminism because people are starting to realize what has been done to this society. If your knowledge of history, anthropology and behaviorism extends beyond "news-makers", "renowned psychiatrists" like Pill and Hollywood you will see the connection between the two. Broader cultural perspective wouldn't hurt either. It all starts with basic questions. Why did feminism happened in the last century and not before? How does a traditional, circumcised, Muslim woman view western society? Why can't a traditional middle class man support his wife and children today? | |
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Posted: 5/26/2012 4:49:10 AM | Zen,
""I don't get competitive mindset. I like dolphins, I believe they are very wonderful creatures but I'm not gonna try to out-swim one. I would not be impressed if there are a human that can and I doubt a dolphin would care. Competition is archaic for us.""
Good point, "equal" isn't the same as. The original feminists were selling the idea equality meant the same as and the idea of equal civil rights never really got to be clear. There were some exceptions, of course ... that only another woman could relate to a woman in a GYN exam or deliver a baby, so throw out all those male doctors and claim that medical field for women ... and, of course, only another woman knows what a woman wants in bed, so try on gay for a while.
Another thing they really didn't form a good idea on was what "independence" meant. When you think of a woman that is "independent", what do you think of? Do you think of someone married with a husband and children? Nope. Do you think of someone single by choice, divorced or in the process of divorcing? Yep.
Dependent is synonymous with being a child or a ward or crippled or somehow not quite grown up and as capable and competent as an "independent" person... now what adult would want to be stuck with that label? Basically, it was dump the husband, grab the kids and be "independent"..........shorthand for not having a man in your life who is important to either you or your children ... lesbianism.
They also perpetrated the idea that traditional marriage and division of labor as a system for maintaining a family and home for children was inherently abusive, unhealthy for women, etc. across the board. My parents and grandparents and aunts seemed to have no problem with it, weren't abused, seemed pretty happy, no inclination to put on pants and go out into the working world, etc., being divorced was a sign of shame, not a badge of honor, being single meant you were either sick or a little wierd because marriage was the norm for healthy people .............all that changed just in one generation, turned upside down. And Madison Avenue loved it!!! | |
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Posted: 5/26/2012 5:11:23 AM | The hyphenated names thing always made me chuckle.
So, a Smith marries a Jones and their boy is a Smith-Jones.
Down the street, a Carter and Boyd marry and have a child.
The children grow up, meet, marry and their children are Smith-Jones-Carter-Boyds? Ummm...no.
Somehow, someone has to lose some of those hyphenated names but.......hmmm... which ones? Which are expendable?
If a child is named for their father, that name isn't expendable .... but if Mary Smith divorces John Jones and obtains custody of their child (which, of course, is presumed because only a mother knows how to parent), maybe after a little while she ever so gently cuts that hypenation and loses the Jones so their last names match? So, the daughter of Mary Smith is now little Betty Smith?
And the father's name, the paternal lines and lineage, paternalism.........go bye-bye
Such an obvious ploy for matriarchy...............but of course matriarchy is equality, after all, patriarchy has had its run, right? Equal time! Hmmm.... just what to do with men in this new matriarchical society........oh, yeah, breed with them, make divorce easy and unilateral, play the abuse card, and get child support later.....see, fish CAN use bicycles! :-) | |
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