Well, if you're not seeing it then I guess it doesn't exist.

Well if they find out the woman lied in those cases they need to at the very least do a full female circumcision on her. But women are more likely to get over loss of sexual desire so they need to do even more. lol

....started going downhill when women entered the worforce enmasse and hyphenating their last names after marriage

The Dr. then explained to the audience that while boys needed there fathers more than girls did, having no father was preferrable and better to the well being of boys than having one around that was abusive.

The advent of the Pill was one of the most liberating events in that era, allowing women to have control over their reproduction and more time and freedom to pursue other aspects of life other than being a breeding stock.

The guys here who look back in fondness to that mythical era seem not to have a clue or care what it really meant for women.

^^^So are hapless chauvinistic men.

Feminists are not just out to stop chauvenists.

Hmmmm... too bad women didn't use this new found, liberating event, responsibly.... 'cause, there are one hell of a lot of women squirting out a hell of a lot of kids without really thinking about the responsibilities of their choices

But they about had a ehart attack when Limbaugh said WRODS (the truth) about a law student.

Hmmmmmmm too bad men didn't wear condoms to protect themselves against unwanted pregnancies, unless these were all emaculate conceptions, it takes two to make a baby and both are responsible not just the woman

Feminism is basically about women having equal rights in our society, thats it, bad things happen to good people all the time, it's not something you can control, blaming feminism for what happens in your life and the choices you make, shows a lack of personal responsiblity IMO.

Thus why they don't say a word about that whole Hustler issue where they portrayed a conservative woman in a sexual situation.

So why can't we leave that pendulum thing they keep talking about in the middle and hug and part ways? I can't be responsible for what other men do. I can't be responsible for what other men say. Some of these men are on this thread are sad.

Any man who trusts what a woman says about her birth control is a fvcking idiot.

Actually this is very true to me. I'd like to add as a consideration that maybe women were never really powerless. Kind of depends on your view of power. I think of it like a scale and to me it's always been as balanced as it can get for the times. Mothers almost always get the choice to be stay at home moms and dads don't so often. How is that not also oppression?

Most women can't compete physically with men. I'm no shrinking flower, but I can't. For those women blessed with that kind of strength, u go girl!

Feminism is basically about women having equal rights in our society, thats it

Or men, for that matter? We're equal, and infintitely different. Women can do things I could'nt and vice versa. I respect women for who they are and realize they are, and will be better at some things than I am. Equal treatment in all aspects of life should be a given, to me anyways.After all, if you diss the women you're dissing half of humanity.

The original feminists were selling the idea equality meant the same as and the idea of equal civil rights never really got to be clear. There were some exceptions, of course ... that only another woman could relate to a woman in a GYN exam or deliver a baby, so throw out all those male doctors and claim that medical field for women ... and, of course, only another woman knows what a woman wants in bed, so try on gay for a while.

Another thing they really didn't form a good idea on was what "independence" meant. When you think of a woman that is "independent", what do you think of? Do you think of someone married with a husband and children? Nope. Do you think of someone single by choice, divorced or in the process of divorcing? Yep.

Dependent is synonymous with being a child or a ward or crippled or somehow not quite grown up and as capable and competent as an "independent" person... now what adult would want to be stuck with that label? Basically, it was dump the husband, grab the kids and be "independent"..........shorthand for not having a man in your life who is important to either you or your children ... lesbianism.

They also perpetrated the idea that traditional marriage and division of labor as a system for maintaining a family and home for children was inherently abusive, unhealthy for women, etc. across the board.

My parents and grandparents and aunts seemed to have no problem with it, weren't abused, seemed pretty happy, no inclination to put on pants and go out into the working world, etc., being divorced was a sign of shame, not a badge of honor, being single meant you were either sick or a little wierd because marriage was the norm for healthy people .............all that changed just in one generation, turned upside down. And Madison Avenue loved it!!!

So, a Smith marries a Jones and their boy is a Smith-Jones.

Down the street, a Carter and Boyd marry and have a child.

The children grow up, meet, marry and their children are Smith-Jones-Carter-Boyds? Ummm...no.

Somehow, someone has to lose some of those hyphenated names but.......hmmm... which ones? Which are expendable?

If a child is named for their father, that name isn't expendable .... but if Mary Smith divorces John Jones and obtains custody of their child (which, of course, is presumed because only a mother knows how to parent), maybe after a little while she ever so gently cuts that hypenation and loses the Jones so their last names match? So, the daughter of Mary Smith is now little Betty Smith?

Ridiculous. I don't know what lesbianism has to do with being able to make a choice about your destiny.

Again, poppycock.

I never heard a woman complaining about the sex of their OB/GYNs...but if you yourself have, you must know some misquided people. All "equality" mean to me in this context is that a women were given access to attend a school to become an OB/GYN.

There was a bill in Ohio about a year ago that sought to outlaw most kinds of birth control. The Pill, IUD, etc. the excuse was that this is abortion because the egg could be fertilized, and those methods prevent implantation. Didn't pass, thank God, but we do still need those activists.

That it won't just be bloated loudmouth gasbags like Limbaugh calling women who use birth control "sluts."

I don't want to interrupt this fine rant you guys got going....
just puzzled.

as it seems to me....
arguing about women...
to abunch of other women....
probably isn't helpful in getting one.

But what do I know.
carry on.

I'm sure you guys can tell women
how to be women
for another 40 pages and then some.

Nah they are trying to teach us how to be men. So according to them my proper response to this even though I still don't understand it and in proper female logic it means something different to everyone when you try and figure out what it means is "I don't need a woman".