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 vampyreshadow
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I can and will make demands, and if you do not like those demands you have every right to piss and moan and whine, but stay away from me :P "The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself."
 1ukn4u
Joined: 10/30/2010
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Posted: 4/8/2012 10:57:47 PM

1ukn4u, Sitting around doing nothing, and expecting someone to hand it to you, isn't a feminist mentality, its an Entitlement mentality. It doesn't really matter who is handing it to you, the government or another entity. A smart person, seeking rights, understands with all rights come responsibilities.


So then feminists aren't smart? Cause I have yet to see any women picking the civil court system demanding to be treated equally when it comes to supporting their children. I can name a million different ways this same scenerio is true. Where women in general get pissed when they aren't reaping the benefits of being treated equally but are silent as can be when it comes to dealing with the consequences of that same eqaulity. To me this being a factual statistical case makes femenism in my eyes a big joke. I think because of this the first impression was the right one and you ladies are in fact the inferrior gender. Please feel free to take offence. As a man who is in fact the custodial parent of 3 children I can attest to the unfair biased treatment that is allowed to stand in court systems today.
 vampyreshadow
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Posted: 4/8/2012 11:14:26 PM
More "men" complaining about the loss of the good old days, Where woman were subservient peons, basically just above property. Are you guys failing to realize you are glorifying treating woman like some inanimate object, forgetting to realize we are unique individuals, with hopes, dreams, goals, etc. While some of us might want the roll of wife and mother, others might find building something more fulfilling. I don't get this, you claim this is a matter of respect, it isn't, respecting someone is allowing them to pursue a goal and a dream that suits them as a human. You want us behind you to support you when you want something, but you refuse to give the same respect.

See I have this odd theory on respect, when you respect someone you allow them to be themselves and find what suits them. If that pisses you off, well, to damn bad, I am raising four girls to be strong, be themselves and pursue what ever goals suit them, so your shit not only attacks me, it attacks my kids.
 vampyreshadow
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Posted: 4/8/2012 11:18:31 PM
1ukn4u, Dude, you are talking to one, see I was 14 years a housewife, I could have it easy, I gave my ex joint custody, which basically nullified child support until he disowned his two oldest children, and only used Alimony as a threat to keep my exes new wife from destroying her ex financially, so don't stir shit with me ***hole I have had it up to here with the assumptive arrogant pricks on this thread.

Anyways think woman still have a bit of fighting on their own case, how about stepping up yourself and doing some work for it. This is personal to me, very damn personal, I have worked my ass off to prove myself time and time again in a male dominated trade, every condescending remark, every bit of this garbage makes me irate. You become every guy, including my ex who told me I couldn't do that because I was a girl, and quite frankly, those guys make me very very very angry.
 1ukn4u
Joined: 10/30/2010
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Posted: 4/8/2012 11:26:12 PM
Thanks vamp for offering no reasonable or responsible points in response to mine thus pretty much proving my point. Lmao
 R00T
Joined: 3/13/2012
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Posted: 4/9/2012 1:43:36 AM

Root, I do believe their should be an opt out for child support, at birth. I do not think you should be able to walk away after, basically a one time shot to either accept or deny rights to said child. I do not however believe a guy should have any say in abortion. A person is never granted rights of control over another's body. I can tell you are "pro-life" how is it a moral precedent to grant a fetus more rights to a woman body then the woman herself. Actually it grants a fetus more rights then even the living over the dead, because you can not use the organs of a corpse to save a living person without the consent of the deceased or their family. Yet fetal rights seem to be to the average pro lifer more of an issue then this.



You can't have it both ways. You can't expect men to take responsibility but have no deciding factor when abortion issue arises. We are talking about taking away life. It's funny how when it's convince for woman does it matter. You can't gain without losing something. It just doesn't happen that away without hurting or taking away from some one else. I see many men and women incredibly selfish. If people thought about others then there would be less problems. Instead things gets worse than getting better. I don't understand why people don't see it.
 vampyreshadow
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Posted: 4/9/2012 1:56:01 AM
Root this isn't going both ways, you just wont get it, because you are and wish to go off on a "pro-life" rant. You can not force another person to choose to give up part of themselves, even if you do consider fetal life equal to other life, you can not force another person to give up a part of themselves to spare that life. Abortion isn't causing irresponsible men, I have a friend, a great father, who is also pro choice, my ex, very much pro life, very much an irresponsible father. Actually, this is the Irony, I have met far more dead beat dads who were conservative then liberal, and this is coming from the neutral observation that both parties and both leanings are Nucking futz, I happen to be a rather staunch libertarian. Selfish or not, actually I personally think in our world that abortion is actually preferential to some dysfunctional situations, but that is my view.
 smilingrock
Joined: 11/9/2008
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Posted: 4/9/2012 1:59:21 AM
Gripper your post:

I have an honours degree in Applied Psychology, so I'm sure you'll accept when I say you're ignorant and prejudiced, not as cognisant of human behaviour as you claim and in need of some education yourself.


Read prior pages citing case studies of lesbian parents influence on child development. BTW get your money back for the degree you got.
 vampyreshadow
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Posted: 4/9/2012 2:26:26 AM
Jac the Gripper happens to post very eloquently , the only link you posted smilingrock is tainted due to researcher bias, try to find studies from people without a theological bias vs homosexuality. Impartiality is very important in peer reviewed research :P BTW, I am still trying to figure out what you intend on proving with a claim that children raised by homosexuals are more likely to become homosexuals anyways. Homosexuality isn't some horrible problem, I am bi, some of my best friends are gay, my niece is a lesbian, and they are all better and more loving then strait people I have met :P
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
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Posted: 4/9/2012 3:30:04 AM


OK, this is a thread about feminism, not a thread about lesbians, gay men, child rearing by bisexual, right wing peta members, or religion. If that's clear, continue on with the topic at hand, feminism. If not, then pruning may be required to allow those to whom the above is clear, to continue.

 RAMPERBILL
Joined: 2/16/2010
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Posted: 4/9/2012 4:53:47 AM
We live in a culture which assumes women should be primary carers and in a situation otherwise, our thoughts do tend towards what you may have done to get your children from their mother.
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Of course, since I'm a man, I expect no less than you to lean towards my having done something to get my children from their mother. Most people did the same when they asked me how I got custody. It's assumed women are the primary caregivers, but this is not true in all cases. Matter of fact, IMO, most. I'll share with you, and everyone else on this board, what I did to get custody.

The culture I live in is also the gambling capital of the world. My wife worked part-time clearing $399.00 monthly back in 1994. One day, through a phone call from her creditors, I learned of her $42,000 debts. How she got this much credit with her income I'll never know. Her excuse, very appologically, was a gambling problem. Most people would just accept it at face value and try to deal with it. My spidey sense was tingling though. She started talking bancruptcy. You can't force your spouse into bancruptcy though, and I refused to do this. You can imagine the tension between us as this didn't go over very well with her. Too bad. Sometimes compromise is a bad thing.

As I said, my spidey sense was tingling. It took me 20 days to be granted a divorce from her. In that 20 days I learned the real story. She was having an affair with her best friend's boyfriend. He was an independent contractor who bought a tract of land and built between 3-5 houses on it. My wife didn't want to work but liked money. She'd go to the casino, take out the max daily on each card, and go to his bank and deposit it in his safety deposit box. Her goal, I believe, but will never know (and don't want to), was to run me into bancruptcy, then do it again except this time no bancruptcy (not within 7 years).

Final outcome. He took off with the money, she lost her husband, children, best friend, and credit. Eventually she lost her job too by getting caught taking money from the sales of popsicles in the school cafeteria. A true klepto. She didn't fight me for the kids because it was more important for her to declare bancruptcy. Although what she did wasn't illegal (anybody can run up their credit cards, even me), declaring bancruptcy under these conditions is fraud and will result in jail time. I could have sent her to jail, but all I wanted to do was get away. The hardest part was getting her out of the house since she kept insisting it was her house too.

I learned things back then. I won't go into great detail, but will share with you what I learned most since it was said most. All women aren't like this. I agree. My response though, which I said to my sister first, was "I'm like this." If you don't like it, take the advice some women give to men, and go fight to change the laws. There is no reason for me to go change the laws to give you what you want, when I like it the way it is. Even if you did change the laws it wouldn't change anything. I have a question for you, Jac. What does a woman mean when she tells men to go fight for their rights by getting the laws changed? From my perspective, I just can't see any woman saying take away her rights. Is this an ego booster? Do women who say this like to feel in demand? What would I fight for? She can't leave. Doesn't that mean I can't leave? I'm not going to fight for that. I get custody instead of her? I'd rather write the check so that the only time I spend with my kids would be quality time. While I was cooking, cleaning, working 13 hours a day, yard work, etc., she was lounging around the pool in her apartment complex during the warm months. I'm not going to fight for custody. What's your perspective on that?

I'm in a relationship that will end in about 11 months. It's only ending because she is moving. I will look for another companion, but think this will be my last Hoorah. Hopefully it will last longer than this one, which will be just shy of 10 years. We all have checklists, and I know mine excludes no less than 95% of available women. I think this is appropriate since I'll only be looking for 1. Excluding the 95% saves time, that I'm running out of. Life is what you make of it. Your choices will naturally mesh with others positively or negatively. When I say that I will not date anyone with children younger than 16, it isn't meant to infuriate anyone. This is just part of the excluded 95%. Keep my age in mind. It's only natural that my choices will conflict with most women in the 30-40 year age group.

Although I can relate with this topic because I was young once, because of my age, children raised, and position in life based on my choices, all of this talk about feminism is nothing more than a whisper in the wind to me. It really doesn't apply to me anymore. It has no affect on my life. I'll post because it's fun. My wish is for men and women to have good lives. If you feel that you still need to fight, put on your armour. It's my turn to lounge by the pool.
 Capn_America
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Posted: 4/9/2012 6:58:10 AM
Whoa, the fight is on LMAO.
My views on feminism are much like my views are of a lot of things nowadays; it was a good idea when it came, it was very usefull and accomplished great things, and now in 2012 its being abused off and used more for politics or pressures on different groups than anything else. Feminism made women equal to men (well, ALMOST equal, there is always work to be done, which to me is not very understandable, it should have BEEN done long ago, but anyways) most feminist groups now arent taken very seriously, and dont exactly follow the reasons they were created.

And to answer the OP's question, I think feminism is an opinion, or a poll, like anything else. To girl A, it's just the thing they talked about she never gave a crap about. For woman B, its a shield to protect herself from the world, a beacon of hope that she can transcend into the light. For woman C, it's that big ugly think made big big bored housewives with nothing to do of their days. For woman D....get the idea?
There's as many different opinions as there are people. All in all I think feminism, like syndicalism and other "isms" were very usefull in their times, but kind of redundant now.
And now, I am ready to be hanged. Carefull at the collar, its a new shirt
 cubanguy
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Posted: 4/9/2012 1:25:43 PM
As so many threads with the same topic, and the unability to make distinction between feminism and the gender feminism of the radical second wave... still... there is a problem... but, this one, has a name.
 XheavenandhellX
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Posted: 4/9/2012 1:32:46 PM
Feminism

about 20 years or so when i was in still in shool and the subject arose, i thought this was some outdated extreme view left over from the 60s. That i fact everyone has equal rights nowadays. To my defence i grew up in an environment which didnt have male-roletaking or female-roletaking involved.

So fast foward to now, do i think that women have equal rights so many years since women are fighting for it?
NO.
In many countries women dont have the same juridical rights as men still. Even in western countries only
since the 60s.
Women dont have the same choices and oppurtunities jobwise as men.
Women still get paid less for the same job as men, where i am living sometimes nearly 30% less.
Women still dont get viewed as equal to men in society. (as pictured by some posters about role taking)
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List goes on

Feminism questions the role-taking model thats why it sits uncomfortable with some individuals male or female.
Cause they feel their individual benefits from it in danger.
 vampyreshadow
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Posted: 4/9/2012 1:45:09 PM
Cuban, as with many other issues, people have differing views, and differing ideas on what it means to be a feminist, in other places, in other debates, I have been accused by self proclaimed feminists as not being a feminist, I more prescribe to the humanist label, but when in debates I generally claim feminist as well due to my view that it is a woman's right, as a human to be allowed unheeded to pursue what ever goal she dreams fit for themselves, without fear of reprisals or discrimination. I believe this is a basic human right, being that a woman, and have seen first hand that this is still an issue in our country, I feel I must still wave a feminist banner, my goals aren't that of tradition, thus I feel the need to don my armor and go to battle. Feminist is a label I take to espouse values I hold very dear to me, as a woman, Humanist is a label I take to espouse the values I hold dear as a human, and I still happen to be both :)
 Capn_America
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Posted: 4/9/2012 1:45:24 PM
That in fact everyone has equal rights nowaday


I think I'll update my thoughts to share with you. Women's rights have advanced, but INDEED in some countries, not a lot, and in Western societies, not enough. Although I still think sometimes, it's way overboard.
Let me tell you a quick, concrete example.
My dad was a fireman in Montreal for 29 years, recently retired. About 10-15 years ago, in the news everywhere; the FIRST woman firefighter in the city (for cops, it had been done years ago). She's everywhere,she's on the news, blah blah.
Yet, when my father spoke of how they deal with her and how all it worked, I was kind of shocked about it. He revealed to me she did NOTHING. Firefighters have to follow strict exercises and be in good physical shape, the logic being if a 300 pound guy is unconscious in the middle of a blaze and you have a minute to get him out before he dies, gotta get him out. Well, since the girl was around 5'4 and weighed about 140 pounds, she couldnt do the work. They lowered ALL the requirements for firefighters just to let her in, because it was a publicity stunt, and today, along with the new 5 or so women who volunteered, they are all pushing papers. Because they physically CANNOT do the job. They can't even hold down the hose by themselves, they have to put 2 other guys to help them, and that's 2 other guys that can'tdo and search buildings.... But my dad revealed the service had received pressure from feminist groups and the city had imposed an ultimatum, they NEEDED that publicity. SO now, those girls are twiddling their thumbs and no one wants to work with them, because the city either A) didn't hire the RIGHT women (those who could have physically done the job) or B) didn't tell Women's Rights movements and others how it really worked. And those women are suffering for it, because they want t be FIREFIGHTERS. It's ridiculous! Everyone is unhappy so they could make Feminists happy...........
So agreed, women don't have all the same rights as men yet. However, there are some things that were bended that shouldnt have been bended, and I feel sometimes, women's lib goes WAY too far over not much, especially in cases like these that are directly related to people's lives....


Women still dont get viewed as equal to men in society. (as pictured by some posters about role taking)
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I dont think they ever WILL be. In a way, I'm not so sure they SHOULD be. It's actually a richness for them, in my view, to not be the same as men. I'm not talking about salaries and such, but when I was a kid, I was always told I was an idiotic man condemned to be ruled over by a brilliant intelligent woman lol. It's kind of what I always expected. And, well...is that REALLY so bad?
 Gwendolyn2010
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Posted: 4/9/2012 1:45:48 PM

Well, here's the revised feminist version of that old time honored cliche: "Why buy the pig when all you want is a bit of sausage now & than...?" *giggling*


Yah! I am putting this in my repertoire of “handy quips.”


What's most interesting I have never met a happy feminist. Truly happy and content. Most suffer from depression and mood swings


Meet Gwen—she does not seek to be content because cud chewing cows are content, but she is happy. She neither suffers from depression (well, when her cat died, she was depressed) nor does she have mood swings.

My mother wasn’t a feminist, but she suffered horribly from depression and had mood swings—oh, wait, she is bi-polar! Meds keep her steady now.


Women have power over some men because some men readily relinquish their own power to women.

Blaming others for your life choices and life situation is relinquishing your power.

People who blame others for their lives look like weenies.

Weenies always need someone else to blame for their lack, whatever they choose that to be.

I respect strong, intelligent, creative, responsible people of both genders.

I cannot respect weenies.

And I wouldn’t cuddle on the couch with one.


Spot on! But I would (and do) cuddle with a man who has a penis and balls.


I had a friend was told he wouldn't be hired because he wasn't white. Life sucks, but guess what women need to learn to earn what they want.


Of course, but when is held back from EARNING what one wants, it is a moot point, eh? There are more women in college/universities now and more women are getting advanced degree: it looks like we are earning what we want NOW that we can actually attend institutions of higher learning and are actually encourage to pursue degrees in math and science.

And for all this, there is still bias in education:
High school math teachers' ratings of their students reveal a gender bias, according to an analysis of national survey data.
Teachers tend to rate white girls' math abilities lower than those of white male students, even when the girls' grades and test scores are comparable to boys, according to a team of researchers who analyzed data collected as part of the national Educational Longitudinal Study of 2002.
"We find evidence of a consistent bias against white females, which although relatively small in magnitude, suggests that teachers hold the belief that math is just easier for white males than it is for white females," write Catherine Riegle-Crumb and Melissa Humphries of the University of Texas at Austin in the April issue of the journal Gender & Society.

http://news.yahoo.com/girls-math-problem-teacher-bias-154607153.html


At least Eastern Block women LET men be MEN..


Go get ‘em sweetheart—no feminist will miss you.


So then feminists aren't smart? Cause I have yet to see any women picking the civil court system demanding to be treated equally when it comes to supporting their children. I can name a million different ways this same scenerio is true. Where women in general get pissed when they aren't reaping the benefits of being treated equally but are silent as can be when it comes to dealing with the consequences of that same eqaulity. To me this being a factual statistical case makes femenism in my eyes a big joke. I think because of this the first impression was the right one and you ladies are in fact the inferrior gender. Please feel free to take offence. As a man who is in fact the custodial parent of 3 children I can attest to the unfair biased treatment that is allowed to stand in court systems today.


When as many men have been stiffed on their child support as women, come crying to me. Your sob story is matched by thousands of women, including me. If you want to complain, complain to the male run courts that make decisions.

I am waiting for someone to say that only ugly women are feminists—it is usually the coup de grace (along with the red herring of lesbians).

Feminism has helped me and millions of women in ways that they might not even know. Women can get top-notch education; they can have jobs other than being prostitutes, nurses, seamstresses, and teachers; they can vote; they can wear pants; they can drive cars; they can even smoke if they want to. It is still a male dominated country, though, and to those of you who complain about the things that women are not “required” to do, lobby your senators and delegates to congress.

It is about choice—to those of you who don’t like feminists, take the guy’s suggestion and go abroad to find a wife; that’s your choice. I assure you that there are many men who enjoy the company of liberated females.

If you are not happy with your life, it is up to you to change it. I happen to very happy with mine.
 vampyreshadow
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Posted: 4/9/2012 1:59:25 PM
Capn, you haven't met me lmao :P Back when I was working plumbing (I am tiny) we had a big, I mean 6 ft 6, 227 Muscle bound guy, he wouldn't do the job, well, I have been bucking bails, roping cattle, etc, he whined at the other guys that we overfilled the load of construction debris, I took out the trash, and busted his balls figuratively for it, I would do the same to another woman. Woman are quite capable of doing the same work as a man. Heh, I can imagine you coming off with that claim vs Kellie, a female (I use the term loosely with her, she looks like a guy but never was) she bounces full grown men from bars, shes also one of the few lady drill hands I know, we are good friends though many people hate her because shes a bit brutal (FYI, I can handle a fire hose to, I was on the truck crew of our local volunteer dept) . Its not a matter that they physically can't, its a matter of they wont make the changes in themselves so they can. Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog :p I will say this, every female in my family is the same, and I was raised with 5 woman in the household,


Gwendolyn, I doubt they will say it now, there are to many profile pictures, and far to many beautiful smart woman posting replies :P
 XheavenandhellX
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Posted: 4/9/2012 2:08:21 PM
@Capn_America this example of the inequality in physio gets made often. There is some jobs as you stated one of them, that require certain physical abilities.
So now the big question about if its right to lower the standards. My answer would be depends. If the standard is still high enough for the job thats expected, yes a little. As with the being able to lift 300lbs. Cant imagine many women being able to do that, but also not many men. But am sure firefighting is a team thing, so surely it could be expected of a woman though who does that job, to hold a fire hoes?

About equality in society and in the way of thinking, when you live as a woman today, its surprising how many times you come across prejudices in the way of thinking. Dont get me wrong i think everyone should question their prejudices always. Cause everyone has them. Women get too often still put in their spot, where society feels comfortable.

Any successful woman still gets eyed suspiciously not only by men, also or even more by other women.

So in my eyes the ones standing in the way of feminism (humanism) are not just men also women themselves.
And restricting their own way of thinking in certain ways due to learned role-taking.
 Capn_America
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Posted: 4/9/2012 2:08:53 PM
Its not a matter that they physically can't, its a matter of they wont make the changes in themselves so they can. Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog :p


I know, and agree; my problem isnt with the size of it, its the fact that those particular women, because of their size and the exam they had it do, they could NOT do the job. Its what it all comes down to, is doing the job. If your 5'0" and 90 pounds, and I fall unconscious and you can throw me over your shoulders and carry me out of a fire, your hired; these women, because of the pressures of feminist groups, could NOT. That's my beef with feminism nowadays; sometimes it goes WAY too far for absolutely no reason. It's not true MOST women can do MOST men's job; it's true SOME women can do SOME men's jobs, but it's not equal to begin with. If all women looked like Chyna from WWE (back then I mean lol) then I wouldnt have a problem with all of them being a cop. But if a 6<6 dude with a shotgun is running at me at 20 mph, and I'm tied up, I want someone who can knock the bugger out before he offs me, you know? lol
There's tons of exceptions and different variations, but all in all, in today's world, I have the feling feminism CAN do more harm than good. I think the individual woman can do a much better job than most feminist groups can, in this day and age of the mass lawsuits


I'd also like to add that its also true that only SOME men can do SOME men's jobs as well, and not everyone can be a firefighter. It's HARD to become one (I tried and failed, and I'm my father son, but....they had reached their quotas. And they hire 40% black guys and women now, because of PRESSURE.................................................) and not everyone can. Which is why I never got the lowering of the standards and tests for women. Its a practice I hate. They do the same for cops. Women can do less pushups, and dont do the same exercises as men. Its directly risking people's lives, and I dont agree with that part of the thing
 vampyreshadow
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Posted: 4/9/2012 2:13:00 PM
Capn, I picked up a 187 pound man and carried him around a bar :P I am 5 ft 1 112 pound and I was freaking drunk. I can lift a hell of allot more when I am sober and not stumbling around :P Spend all your life lifting things, you get the hang of the proper manner to optimize your lifting ability.as for your comments on cops, Tazers, Mag lights, Glock 45 and Sig saur makes all men, and woman created equal. I would rather have me protecting me with a Glock then some donut munching overweight male cop I move a hell of allot faster, and I am pretty good with a mag light :P Hell, I was doing a bar tour with one of my friends, and helped take out two rather large men twice my size at a bar with my mag light (Just got off work still had it stuffed in a loop on my pants)

Basically if you aren't capable the way you sit, go make yourself capable, if you really want something you find a way to do it, and do it to the best of your ability. I have no sympathy for someone who loses a job because they wont find a way to make it happen and do it to the best of their ability. I do however don't think you should look at a person and judge what they are capable of based on their sex. Actually this argument kind of reminds me of a friend I had in high school, he was born with no legs, he was on our high school wrestling team and did rather well, hes still a heavy equipment mechanic, he weighs less then me, 90 pound, no legged mechanic.
 XheavenandhellX
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Posted: 4/9/2012 2:25:18 PM
yes the whole quotas thing is, where it seams to have gone wrong a bit.
It should be about abilities that should be there to do the job purely.
@vampire yes i agree there is probably a certain technique about it.
Also i know quite a lot of women there are probably fitter and taller then some males.

The whole quotas thing is getting discussed here in germany fiercely now. As this seams to be one of the countries within europe still with the lowest percentage of women in top biz positions. Also highest inequality in job payment.

No i wouldnt like to get a certain job, cause i fill a percentage.
But also, if men are still preferred over women due to them maybe still being at child bearing age... also not good.
Dont know where the middle ground could be here.
 Consigliori
Joined: 1/7/2008
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Posted: 4/9/2012 2:35:58 PM
I have sons and daughters. I’d like to see them all have a fair shot - but if you ask me it’s the dads that have it tough. Let’s have some Dadism.
 R00T
Joined: 3/13/2012
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Posted: 4/9/2012 2:39:01 PM
Feminism, our official gender ideology, masquerades as a movement for women's rights. In reality, feminism is a cruel hoax, telling women their natural biological instincts are "socially constructed" to oppress them.

Feminism is elite social engineering designed to destroy gender identity by making women masculine and men feminine. Increasingly heterosexuals are conditioned to behave like homosexuals who generally don't marry and have children. Courtship and monogamy are being replaced by sexual promiscuity, prophesied in Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.

The Rockefellers and Rothschilds created feminism to poison male-female relations (divide and conquer.) Their twin objectives are depopulation and totalitarian world government. Why? These bankers create money out of nothing and think they are God.

"Cruel Hoax" shows the connection between feminism, Communism and 9-11. It examines male-female relations and shows how we can take back our heterosexuality.


http://www.cruelhoax.ca/?cruelhoaxbook

I am far from upset, I think it's funny that people are massively brained washed. I'm going to keep on observing and see what happens. I think it's real funny, I don't think feminism is going to end well. :S
 XheavenandhellX
Joined: 12/13/2011
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Posted: 4/9/2012 2:48:17 PM
@R00t you are presenting your ideas of the world as facts, they arent just your views.

I personally dont like any of this spinning and mixing of words that dont belong together and misrepresenting them. Not just in context of feminism, its a trait thats suspicious in itself. I will refrain from picking them apart one by one, cause i trust in the intellectual abilities of others to views through this.
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