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| | George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody!Page 26 of 31 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31) | I've worked with gangs in the ghetto and the barrio. There are plenty of 17 year olds who will beat your butt for no reason at all. There are even 13 and 14 year olds who will "get down" for no reason other than the thrill of fighting with somebody. If they have been "dissed" in any way, they start swinging.
If you catch them in the act of tagging, they will tell you, "This is art. I have the right to say what I want. It's my right. You should give me building to write on." Yes, it's so stupid it's hard to believe, but that's what they think. They see themselves as heroes fighting a war against the white culture at large. And they don't come up with these ideas by themselves, but their teachers feed them this crap in the public schools.
I'm going to call bs on your claim that you have "worked with gangs in the ghetto and the barrio." Reading what you wrote in here shows clearly some strong, deeply rooted intellectual animosity against the youth of the poor neighborhoods. Why someone who can't even say one sympathetic word towards them would claim having spent time among them? Unless you were trying to work as some kind of undercover informer, which I very much doubt it would be the case. Nah, I'm not falling for your claim of experience among the youth of the ghettos and barrios. If you seriously had done any work with them you would have at least mention that they also have dreams of one day being able to live a better life.
Of all the stupid things that I read in the post, the one about the teachers "who feed them this crap in the public schools," clearly tops the cake. That is absolutely, no doubt pure right-wing propaganda, and it smells just like the usual garbage that they put out for the uninformed and gullible. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 9:52:13 AM |
I'm going to call bs on your claim that you have "worked with gangs in the ghetto and the barrio."
I'm calling BS on you BS claim. That depiction of urban ghetto landscape rang true to me! | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 9:57:07 AM | I've worked with gangs in the ghetto and the barrio. There are plenty of 17 year olds who will beat your butt for no reason at all. There are even 13 and 14 year olds who will "get down" for no reason other than the thrill of fighting with somebody. If they have been "dissed" in any way, they start swinging.
Um, would that be your contribution to society ... you "worked with gangs in the ghetto" you being from Beverly Hills and all ... I don't think gangs need anyone to work with them ... they're doing very find on their own, thank you very much. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 10:00:27 AM |
these gang-bangers can't be THAT bad-zazz if they have only "threatened "his life every day for 25 years but never taken it..
Very few things made me laugh on this thread ... but that one did! | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 11:21:36 AM | "They see themselves as heros fighting a war against the white culture at large. And they don't come up with these ideas by themselves, but their teachers feed them this crap in the public schools."
Really? REALLY?
Now I don't know you, nor where you work, nor what you've actually done with gangs or not.
But I will say this, I grew up in what would be a not so nice neigborhood in NYC. A number of the kids either dropped out of high school at 16, even though they hadn't attended much once they got in anyway. A few went onto get a job, as a moving man, or a construction worker, or a delivery guy or other menial jobs. At least half went into the drug trade, becoming street dealers.
Yeah way back when, some emulated or discussed great baseball or football players or basketball. Though NONE dreamed of being a lawyer, doctor, businessman or other things, it was not on their radar, they lacked the skills(school), the social graces and the attention to detail, that kind of thing would require.
We also didn't have FB, or Youtube, or music videos...that kids use today to socialize and glamourize gang life, drug life and becoming pimps and thugs. Back in my day, it was a case of doing what you had to do, not a glamorous or styled as glamorous thing to be. It was what some thought, their only option.
That you alledge teachers "feed them this crap" I question. I doubt teachers are walking into class and flashing gang signs, or encouraging the kids to become pimps and ho's, or drug dealers. The culture has made this possible, NOT the teachers. The saggy pants, turned around cap, bling and other things like that, would seem more attractive to some than a job at Mickey D's or KFC or sweeping the mall. Is it right? Oh he11 no, is it likely to change...eventually..maybe. You can't change culture, it must evolve, like all other things.
To put up here, that Trayvon did this, makes me laugh...how many other kids strike similar poses on FB? If you can't understand this, after reading the forums on here, with everyone trying to "fit in" to get a date. Than a question whether you understand the nature of socialization.
Back briefly to my story, by 17, most of the kids who went the wrong way, had been arrested several times. That doesn't seem to be the case here.
In the end, you can demonize Trayvon, all you wish. NONE of that will alter the fact that he brought skittles to a gun fight! That Zimmerman followed him! That Zimmerman was armed! That some kind of confrontation ensued, because Zimmerman was following him! That Trayvon is DEAD! | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 12:34:50 PM |
The REAL pics of Trayvon sure look like a thug. His FB pics had him with a grill, saggin', and flashing gang signs. The 5th grade photos were not representative at all.
Still though, even if all this is so, we have to ask next, do any of those things merit being killed over, while not committing any crime ?? (ie, walking home from the gas station at night, alone and unarmed). He probably was no angel, many of us at that age range had attitudes and are not choir boys.
But as regards the given situation, look, the whole entire thing could have been avoided quite simply if Zimmerman had not ever gotten out of his vehicle. He was instructed by the PD *not to pursue*. At some point, the "stand your ground" law has to go both ways, not just in favor of the guy you happen to like better ;-). If you are walking home alone, and someone is slowly tailing you in a vehicle, then that person stops and gets out and is apparently looking for you, at that point you could be reasonably said to be "standing YOUR ground" if you confront and/or fight with him. No? Is this not potentially also self-defense? What did Mr. Martin know? Did he know that this was the friendly neighborhood self-proclaimed "neighborhood watch captain"? Perhaps Zimmerman , to him, could have seemed like a robber or something. So Martin too could be said to have been in self-defense mode.
Furthermore, getting the better of someone in a brief fight or scuffle (if that is indeed what happened) does not warrant a kill shot, IMO. The young man was not armed, according to all reports. Therefore "self-defense" seems too weak to make this a justifiable homicide. What you have here is , if not second-degree murder (and they may well not ever get that), then some type of manslaughter / wrongful death. Even the original police report had "Negligent homicide / manslaughter" written on it, I believe. (Not to mention that there will eventually be a civil suit along those lines as well, I would think).
Even if , and it's a big if, Zimmerman was being badly accosted by the person he was originally pursuing, a kill shot should not be necessary. He was apparently a a decent-sized man himself, Zimmerman (5'9" and weighing close to 200 lbs or more ?); and he could not in ANY other way get this much thinner much younger man off of him besides to shoot him in the heart?? It's a bit hard to believe frankly.
The police will usually taser (an option which he didn't have, granted), or shoot into a non-lethal part of the body for instance. Could he not have gotten off a shot into the leg for example, to get the younger man off of him (if that is indeed what was occurring)? Why put it into the center of the chest ? It was nothing to die for, all around. Totally senseless. And in at least a few other states, Zimmerman would have been arrested and charged that very night (if not for murder then likely at least manslaughter, as well as unlawful use of a weapon -- like here in IL where I live, carrying that loaded 9MM on your person while driving is a serious weapons charge already). Here, a gun must be properly registered and you need a valid FOID card, and if in the car the gun must be UNloaded , enclosed in a proper case, and out of reach of the driver. So he'd have been automatically chargeable here with UUW -- Unlawful Use -- for illegal carrying right off the bat; in some cases, and/or with a criminal record, this becomes a Class 4 Felony in and of itself, carrying 1 to 3 yrs prison time if convicted in fact.
Even in a lot of the "may-issue" (as in, "may-issue" concealed permit) states, a guy with Zimmerman's record may well not have gotten one. He had had a restraining order against him before for domestic violence by his ex-fiance, and had been hauled in and charged with resisting an officer with violence and battery against an officer -- but these felony charges were later pled down to a misdemeanor and then waived with an agreement that he enter an alcohol treatment program. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 2:30:07 PM |
He was not a vigilante. His neighbors ASKED him to watch the area.
So, then the Martin Family will be able to name al those neighbors who asked Zimmerman "to watch the area" as defendants in the civil lawsuit for the wrongful death of their son. Correct? | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 3:39:26 PM |
Even if , and it's a big if, Zimmerman was being badly accosted by the person he was originally pursuing, a kill shot should not be necessary. He was apparently a a decent-sized man himself, Zimmerman (5'9" and weighing close to 200 lbs or more ?); and he could not in ANY other way get this much thinner much younger man off of him besides to shoot him in the heart?? It's a bit hard to believe frankly.
Badly accosted,does this mean Zimmerman was being subjected to some sort of impoliteness?His back was wet from being down getting assaulted by this young thug.Seventy yards from home?I guess the young football player could have sprinted that.He feigned having something in his waistband in the transcripts,just a matter of time before he got his hands on a piece.Dame Right is correct about the system,fact is,no one white person,or even the whole voting mass can change the system.Money,and whether people have enough to live a decent life,makes all the difference in how they function in society.We have people here that doubt your life could be in danger if your azz is white in poor neighborhoods,very,very naive.Personal experience in Arkansas. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 3:44:35 PM |
I thought we cleared that up several pages ago. Quite ironic considering you accused me of changing the facts.
Scroll down to neighborhood watch and tell me what you find: No thanks. Neighbourhood Watch is a real thing. You can't just call yourself a member or captain or whatever any more than you can call yourself a Congressman. The Neighbour Watch said they'd never heard of this guy and he had no association with them. He wasn't acting as a Neighbourhood Watch captain. Anybody who has had any experience in a Neighbourhood Watch would know that: you don't drive around in a car; you don't carry a gun; and you don't go out alone. It's always a pair of people.
So if he wasn't in Neighbourhood Watch, he was self appointed. Which means he was a vigilante.
I've pretty much given up on the rest of it. But Neighbourhood Watch is a good thing. I will speak up to ensure that their good name isn't tarnished by this murderer. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 3:56:00 PM | I thought we cleared that up several pages ago. Quite ironic considering you accused me of changing the facts.
Scroll down to neighborhood watch and tell me what you find:
Perhaps you should scroll up ... he wasn't on neighborhood watch ... Zimmerman was going to the store running an errand and decided not to mind his own business ... | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 4:18:31 PM | Lies lies and more lies to fit your nonsense agendas.
Read the Reuters story for the most unbiased look at GZ that I have yet seen. The neighbors recruited him, apparently because he had been so active and helpful in the community. He didn't volunteer, they asked him to do it because the community was under siege. His grandfather is black. His closest friend (with whom he opened a business) is black. He raised money for the homeless and was active in the local church.
While Trayvon....was kicked out of school, involved with drugs, took a swing at a bus driver, was caught with burglary tools and jewelry, etc.etc.etc. Have you seen his real pics? The ones that were taken down from FB right away? The one where he's giving the finger? The one where he's saggin' and throwin' gang signs? He certainly looks like a thug.
Many parents claim that they have no idea that their sons are in gangs until something awful happens. Often they're in denial, but sometimes maybe they really just don't know.
Trayvon was no innocent little kid, and Zimmerman is not a crazed "racist white man." The media did the country a horrible disservice with the slanted anti-white coverage, and many whites have been harmed as a result.
It's hard to imagine that Z would have shot Trayvon if Z was on top and winning the fight. That doesn't make sense to me. I think it went down the way Z says it did, and the stand your ground law will exonerate him. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 5:38:32 PM |
The Neighbour Watch said they'd never heard of this guy and he had no association with them. He wasn't acting as a Neighbourhood Watch captain.
I think your looking at the wrong neighborhood watch. They have him listed in Twin Lakes, as shown in black and white or rather in color.
Perhaps you should scroll up ... he wasn't on neighborhood watch ... Zimmerman was going to the store running an errand and decided not to mind his own business ...
Perhaps you should scroll back down again. Just because he does not happen to be on patrol at the time, does not mean he cannot investigate anything he finds strange or suspicious. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 5:56:57 PM | Ok...I never heard the 911 call and I never read the transcript until three pages ago.
I'm not going to interpret this, but I'm wondering about it...
Yeah, now he's coming towards me.
Dispatcher: OK.
Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.
Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?
Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens.
Dispatcher: Late teens ok.
Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.
Now without utilizing the dreaded skittles defense PLEASE...could this possibly be interpreted another way? I know hindsight is a great tool, but suppose you were there.
Just let go of your "sides" or "PC" or "hate" for a moment.
I'm honestly curious.
The above are facts no demonizing Trayvon or Zimmerman here. YOUR INTERPRETATIONS.
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half, yes he did, but I am just wondering about what is in bold. Interpretations. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 5:59:22 PM | Yes, that's what he said. But a few lines later he said that Mr. Martin was running away.
edit: Well we know what was in his hands. A bag of Skittles and an soft drink. If he really thought that Mr. Martin was armed, he wouldn't have chased him after he ran away. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 6:17:15 PM |
If he really thought that Mr. Martin was armed, he wouldn't have chased him after he ran away.
Now why would that be?
You wouldn't want to protect your neighbors if you thought someone was armed?
Perhaps he's made of sterner stuff than you......... | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 6:19:31 PM | Well we know what was in his hands. A bag of Skittles and an soft drink. Yes...hindsight.
I like skittles too, and soda, but I don't keep them in my pants. "he got his hand in his wasteband" I adjust once in a while, but that's about it. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 6:32:51 PM |
Perhaps he's made of sterner stuff than you......... Really? A man who shot and killed an unarmed teenager? You know, I don't set the bar very high, but that's one I can clear pretty easily. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 6:34:50 PM | We have a Zimmerman type azzhat between our neighborhood and the golf club cummunity. This guy is the typical urban/turned country zealot, enamoured by guns and "security", living at the edge of a several thousand acre wilderness area, who closed off the road at the end of a trail system, installed cameras, and confronts hikers who follow their GPS devices at what appears to be another trailhead for pickup. He confronts these kids, mostly white, with guns, threats, derision, insults, and other inappropriate behavior. At the same time, he has set up shooting ranges on his property that allows bullets to fly toward the properties of his neighbors, myself included. Nothing like enjoying a sublime sunset with bullets and shot reports coming in your general direction to challenge one's sense of neighborly love. As a PTSD sort of survivor, I find it disrespectful and challenging to put up with him and his bubba shit, not to just shoot back in kind. He visons himself as a neighborhood watch captain like dipshit Zimmerman, oblivious to the concerns of the neighbors and with a false sense of superiority and mission.
The last time I had a shotgun pellet hit my neck, it triggered my inner redneck. If this****ad pokes a hole in my house or body with his ignorance, you may read about it in the Chattanooga Times Free Press. He is terrorizing my neighbors, their kids and dogs, people who visit, has been approached by concerned neighbors and feels he is the final authority in HIS safety, and uck us. I think that Zimmermans like this really need a reigning in of their stupidity instead of empowering it with Stand Your Ground rambo fantasies. These wimps are more often than not, chickenhawks, never having been in conflict and incapable of understanding the terrorisim of fouling the lives of PTSD survivors, are narciscistic, egotistic, clueless, and dangerous. All you all who worship this idocy need to look a bit deeper into how this sort of terrorism affects not only neighbors, but most likely the loved ones around ya who are concerned for your fantasy worlds vs. reality. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 6:46:30 PM | The last time I had a shotgun pellet hit my neck, it triggered my inner redneck. If this****ad pokes a hole in my house or body with his ignorance, you may read about it in the Chattanooga Times Free Press.
Yep I've been a lot more sane, serene and untroubled by pc nonsense since I got in touch with my inner redneck, myself...
Perhaps if you set up a target directly in front of his house/barns and invite him (and the rest of the neighbors) over for a high powered rifle shoot complete with cold beer and fried chicken, while everyone's taking turns poking holes through the target the neighbors could expound on the various relationships their property has with his ranges. Maybe even offer to take a Caterpillar over and build him a proper backstop/shooting alley. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 9:02:41 PM | Procal, given the sheer amount of outright lies Zimmerman has been exposed and spewing, we don't have any reason to take his 911 calls as any indication of fact.
I would also point out another recent case where a complaintant also claimed an individual was armed, which resulted in the death of said individual. The reporting party has admitted they lied to get a faster police response time, and is now facing murder charges for his falsehoods.
Zimmerman has proven himself not credible. In any format. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 9:45:56 PM |
Procal, given the sheer amount of outright lies Zimmerman has been exposed and spewing, we don't have any reason to take his 911 calls as any indication of fact.
I would also point out another recent case where a complaintant also claimed an individual was armed, which resulted in the death of said individual. The reporting party has admitted they lied to get a faster police response time, and is now facing murder charges for his falsehoods.
Zimmerman has proven himself not credible. In any format.
It sounds like you are implying that Zimmerman says Trayvon is armed with a weapon. But he never said that. He tells exactly what he saw:
"His hands are in his waistband. He's got something in his hands."
Considering he has his drink & skittles, that is probably correct. If you are implying he is lying by saying Trayvon has a weapons is so bending of the truth it's pathetic. If so, it's not Zimmerman the one who's lying. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 10:27:24 PM | I don't believe that Zimmerman has been caught in any lies whatsoever. I've heard the tapes and it seems like straightforward stuff. He had called in some other times as well and those tapes are online as well. Also online a while back (thought they have probably been deleted) were some of Trayvon's conversations on Twitter, wherein he talks about popping a bus driver in the head and also talks about getting high, etc.
Gang members can be pretty deceptive. Some of them ride around on bicycles, deal drugs on bicycles, even do drive bys on bicycles. The thing about "Skittles" was repeated endlessly to emphasize that Trayvon was a "child." An innocent little kid on his way home from the store just eating some candy like little kids do, when the evil racist white man pulled out a gun and blew him away, for no reason other than his dark skin. I've lost count of the revenge beatings of innocent white people at this point.
Zimmerman will probably get off, and then Trayvon's parents will go after him with a civil suit. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/1/2012 10:36:17 PM |
Zimmerman will probably get off, and then Trayvon's parents will go after him with a civil suit. And the US will face Rodney King aftermath scenarios due to the hype. | |
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| George Zimmerman (watchguard) is in FBI custody! Posted: 5/2/2012 1:35:14 AM | Also online a while back (thought they have probably been deleted) were some of Trayvon's conversations on Twitter, wherein he talks about popping a bus driver in the head and also talks about getting high, etc.
Gang members can be pretty deceptive. Some of them ride around on bicycles, deal drugs on bicycles, even do drive bys on bicycles. The thing about "Skittles" was repeated endlessly to emphasize that Trayvon was a "child." An innocent little kid on his way home from the store just eating some candy like little kids do, when the evil racist white man pulled out a gun and blew him away, for no reason other than his dark skin. I've lost count of the revenge beatings of innocent white people at this point.
You live in a fantasy world. First your not at all believeable experience working with gangs in LA. And now, insinuating Trayvon was a gang member. And now, Trayvon is responsible for revenge beatings? So Zimmerman should get off because there are revenge beatings? If justice had been done in the beginning with Zimmerman arrested and charged from the beginning, his parents would not have had to make an issue of it, and there would be no huge media circus about it, no revenge beatings, just normal progression of law and justice.
While Trayvon....was kicked out of school, involved with drugs, took a swing at a bus driver, was caught with burglary tools and jewelry, etc.etc.etc. He was not kicked out of school. He was suspended, a short, temporary enforced absence from school. Multitudes of kids are suspended for all kinds of reasons.
Meanwhile, in the Miami Herald, a leaked Miami-Dade Schools Police report reveals that Martin was suspended, once for truancy and tardiness, once for "marijuana residue," and once for graffiti and "possession of a burglary tool" — a screwdriver recovered by a "school police investigator" who saw Martin write "W.T.F." on a door with marker. Inside his backpack was some jewelry, which Martin said belonged to a friend; it was confiscated, and there's no evidence at all it was stolen. The Herald writes that the "suspensions paint [a] complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin." It seems too obvious to even say, but smoking pot, skipping school, owning a screwdriver and writing on walls are not evidence of anything other than being in high school. They are certainly not capital crimes. And yet this anonymous witness and Martin's supensions are being cited as key facts — as more important, than, say, the fact that Zimmerman had a gun, and Martin didn't, or the fact that Zimmerman followed Martin, who was doing nothing wrong — by people who insist they're only interested in "truth."http://gawker.com/5896490/your-guide-to-the-idiotic-racist-backlash-against-trayvon-martin If you stop indulging in hyperbole and hysteria, truth might emerge. A screwdriver is not a 'burglary tool." I have several screwdrivers and am not a burglar. The type of stuff Trayvon did to get in trouble at school is truly high school misdemeanors, not violent gang member behavior.
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