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hate it when people say degrees are worthless
I don't think anyone has....have they? did i miss something?
I have two and worked extremely hard for both of them
We all work hard, no disrespect but while you had your nugget in a book millions of people were at work.
I think a p.h.d shows not only intelligence and commitment but passion.
I can't think of anything substantial to say to that so i'll just say .....what a load of bollox. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 11:22:38 AM | Message 27:
Thanks for such a full reply, and I agree with a lot of what you said:
Not sure how I would change how we assess intelligence particularly at GCSE, but certainly there are many very intelligent students who dont get the grades, not because they arent bright, but because they cannot put over their understanding in the way that the exam board or mark scheme require.
I m actually not a teacher, although I work in a school as a cover supervisor, which is the same role as a supply teacher except you don t have to be qualified teacher, we cost considerably less, and are permanently employed by the school. I did think at one time I would have gone into 'proper' teaching, but actually one of the factors that deterred me was how target/results driven our education system has become. I m a bit too free spirited, and althoug h I m really passionate about my subject, it just seems that some of that passion can get lost when you have to teach children in such a prescriptive way, where going 'off piste' can hardly ever happen, and fear of jeopardising your results, means you may not be brave enough to encourage students to really explore their own thoughts and ideas, but instead spoon feed them, prep to the nth degree, and to my mind diminish undoubtedly the whole joy of learning. I certainly know speaking to staff at my school that is how some feel, but perhaps other teachers would say differently. As you said that is a whole other debate though..
What these forums show, and actually what profile write ups can show to a lesser degree, is that far beyond that education tick box and whats in it, is intelligence is not totally or always defined by that bit of paper. People through how they write show they are able express their own thoughts and feelings, and on here are able to coherently put together informed and reasoned arguments, and understand others as well. So whilst, I do take note of that box, it certainly has to be backed up in the eating of that qualificational pudding, and desserts can be so overrated.....
I will just add that for me my degree gave me some sort of validation about my own intelligence though, and boosted my confidence, and is maybe in part why I defended it. I was taught by lecturers who were passionate about the subject, whose interest extended to personally engaging in field work regularly, and who themselves were often furthering their thinking via publishing journal articles often in response to another academics work etc, that that level of study and engagement, had a very positive and long lasting effect on my own learning. That said, there were just as many who saw the degree has a means to an end, and put in the minimum requirement of work to just get the degree. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 12:47:46 PM | People are clever in different ways. But I do know that people often regret not going to University if they could have, or like to do part-time courses (OU for example) once they're in the workplace because they feel somehow inadequate when working with colleagues who do have degrees.
Labour managed to degrade their value however, by trying their best to make sure everybody had one (lowering standards in the process), so I don't think they're quite so important these days. However both my experience of doing one myself and the experience of watching one of my nephews take his (1st year at the moment) makes me think they're incredibly valuable in terms of opening people's minds to the huge amount of knowledge out there that's worth knowing about for it's own sake. A love of knowledge and learning is one of the key prerequisites to getting one I think. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:11:31 PM | When I was at University* I knew a few clever people and a lot of production line fodder who'd just been pushed along by their schools and parents.
Since then I've had a few friends who I consider to be capable and clever but who finished their formal education aged 16.
*I can even remember the name of the university. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:15:17 PM | You can't remember the name of your University?
Thats... incredible. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:20:40 PM | | I can. I think it clearly proves why I deserved a degree. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:26:03 PM | | Can't help feeling that within a dating context saying 'I have a degree' is the same as admitting to being a bit up yourself. Sure men and woman are going to hint at occupations and interests that define who they are and what they're looking for...but I certainly wouldn't want to assume a position of superiority over people who may not have had the same opportunities. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:27:22 PM | I am proud of my degree because I was never put into a category of having the option to do a degree!
First of all, my parents helped my younger siblings along with home work and I was made to do mine upstairs on my own.
Secondly, my parents decided that they would work extra for my two younger siblings to go to university.
Thirdly, I helped them clean a cafe and swept the cafe floor on the railway station at 14 so that they could earn extra money to send them to university.
I then left school with four 'O' levels and joined the Navy............glad to leave home!
My younger siblings did not want to go to University after all! and eventually I put myself through university at the age of 38 and at the end of my second year I was ploughed into by a lorry in the back of my car and had to take a year off. It wasn't easy to go back to Uni after that, but I did and graduated. I am now the only person in my family that has a degree! Technically, two degrees as I have my nursing also. So considering it was never an option to me, I am very proud of myself as so many people in my family never gave me a second thought.
So in that respect I am happy to put it on my profile, I don't go to the lengths of putting letters after my name, that's just silly! But I am not really looking to see what other people's qualifications are just as long as they can hold a decent intelligent conversation.
Oh and I'm still paying back the loan to do the degree! A lot of dosh, but I'm still glad I did it! | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:28:55 PM |
Can't help feeling that within a dating context saying 'I have a degree' is the same as admitting to being a bit up yourself. Sure men and woman are going to hint at occupations and interests that define who they are and what they're looking for...but I certainly wouldn't want to assume a position of superiority over people who may not have had the same opportunities.
good points
you do find in life that some (but not all) people who have degrees, have to tell you every five minutes that they have one, maybe it's to try and justify working people carrying them for a few years until they graduated | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:29:31 PM |
Can't help feeling that within a dating context saying 'I have a degree' is the same as admitting to being a bit up yourself
Only if you choose to see it that way. There's a box to fill in on the profile. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:32:00 PM |
You can't remember the name of your University?
Thats... incredible.
You misread his post.
That's amusing.
I haven't got a degree, but I worked with people who mostly did have, for the majority of my working life.
Very few of them impressed me, about as many with degrees, as without.
I think there's something to be said for degrees, they open your mind to ways of thinking and ways of assimilating information.
I think the real danger of them, is 'learning by rote'. Where people come out, all thinking the same way, and reciting from the same books, which they all 'must' read.
I think new technology opens up other new ways of learning, which are perhaps more 'creative'.
Because it facilitates a kind of 'chain of thought' type of learning, which is completely unstructured, and doesn't focus on just one subject, but kind of links them all together.
I think the most creative minds are likely to be those which aren't 'constrained' by the 'disciplines' that many have mentioned, as an advantage, but neither are they stuck in the 'intellectual ruts', which many appear to be.
Thinking is great, but what we really need, is NEW thinking.
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:33:36 PM | 'So in that respect I am happy to put it on my profile, I don't go to the lengths of putting letters after my name, that's just silly!'
Especially if you have a BA, thats just asking to be called a big arse!!!
Havent figured one for a Bsc, but an MA could be a massive arse ... | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:35:00 PM | Just like good ideas can stand on their own merit then good people don't have to keep telling you how good they are.
I dislike annoying graduates as much as anyone else, but I spent 4 years working for my degree and feel that I earnt/ It wasn't spoon feeding either. It was self managed learning. I even went a bit grey during my last year. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:38:34 PM | Msg 62
Good job mine is Bsc.........so let's not think of one eh!
although Bull sh*t something or other might become a favourite! ;) | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 1:40:55 PM | Education is a good thing. Practical education is even better. Pythagoras had this thing about triangles, but it doesn't help to fix my car, a knowledge of engineering, mechanics and auto electrics does. If I need the plumbing fixed in my house. If I need a wall built. If I need my computer fixed or my household electrics sorted I need look no further than myself to get the job done.
Or I could be uneducated and greet every problem with a cry of 'durr my brain hurts'.
The choice is up to the individual, but don't moan when you get ripped off by some handyman because you decided to be dim.
Bob. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 2:17:06 PM | "You misread his post.
That's amusing."
He edited it after I'd posted! | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 9:09:13 PM | | We all have a degree from a well established place of study THE UNIVERSITY OF LIFE. The level of our degree will depend on the units studied, Finance and budgeting, childcare, sports coach, transport management, hospitality and catering, event organiser, counsellor, and so the list goes on I am sure people can add more. So we are all academic but to different levels. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 11:43:55 PM | hate it when people say degrees are worthless
I don't think anyone has....have they? did i miss something?
I didn't mean in general, but I said mine is worthless.
Can't help feeling that within a dating context saying 'I have a degree' is the same as admitting to being a bit up yourself.
There's a field in the profile suggesting educational level; beyond that, I don't feel the need to mention mine. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2012 11:45:19 PM | | You must be proud of it LLL. It's an achievement in life. For me, it's my only achievement in life! | |
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Posted: 5/9/2012 1:02:04 AM | Someone having a degree is either a big deal to you or it's not. To me it's not.
I date people with and without qualifications. Either way doesn't make them nicer or better people, or more interesting to talk to. I'm often interested in what takes people down a particular path in life, and often their education (however short or long) is part of that.
If people think I'm up my own arse because I have a degree then they're probably not someone I want to date anyway. To me it looks like they get hung up on way too many things, and are judging me based on their experience with some other people.
My degree often makes people laugh, as I'm a system test engineer with a degree in nutrition, so it's useless to me in my career, but useful to me personally because I have a big interest in food and health, and it gave me the science I needed to understand the food industry. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2012 1:13:29 AM | to me to have a dergree attained after 1997 is in my opinion worthless.
it was a time when new labour got in remember?.
do people with autism get a flat black hat and a roll of paper? no!
so why should grads have them? | |
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Posted: 5/9/2012 1:14:06 AM | i myself don,t have a Degree ,but i do have a Diploma and about 9 letters after my name ,i don,t use it ! tryed to get job,s with full C.V listing everything,
1)never got the jobs that i went for as to highly Qualified and some employers tend to think your after there job,so i never show all of my Qualifications ,only the bog standered ones, and you always bump in to people or someone who knows someone that knows all about you and what you have got!!! as i only work partime now (kids)but have been offered 3 jobs in the last 6 mths offering me a better job from £5,600 to £9,500 a month with a £10k bonus at the end of the year!!! but still happy at not showing people what i have!! its down to the person if they show it or not ,
i now like to be silly,stupied,and anything else that comes to mind as i need a release from being outa this world for 12hrs a day!!! | |
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Posted: 5/9/2012 1:27:39 AM | Reaches for tin hat....right then......The degree system was devalued by the conversion of every Polytechnic in the land to 'University' status.
We are in the same trap as the old joke about the army scrapping the rank of Private, and enrolling everyone as a Sergeant.
I meet young people daily who are patently ill-educated and semi-literate who are going to 'Uni' , I presume when they leave the slurry pit that they currently attempt to study in.
We still live in a mythical 'equal opportunity' dream world, where there are to be no losers, not even in the now banned egg and spoon race,for its negative element on those who achieve negative success.
I get very bored with individuals who sport this degree and that certificate, and yet seem unable to spell their own name.
We have perpetrated a massive con trick on the last few generations, it really is time that we had a Government that had the balls to reintroduce selection & proper streaming (Yes, I am talking about Grammar Schools, and, possibly Conscription).
It works in other countries...............
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Posted: 5/9/2012 1:43:40 AM | To be honest the qualifications listed are not varied enough. I don't have a degree although the highest qualification I hold is the equivalent of a level 7 masters. I'm therefore not going to put college, especially considering how hard I have worked.
I think showing your degree is a good thing as it shows you've got a bit of intelligence about you, as well as knuckled down and acheived something at an important time of your life. Higher education also usually means that you are in a decent job or at the very least, capable of getting one.
lol @ people on here trying to make those with degrees feel bad. Shall we add intelligence to the long list of things that are now offensive to the socialists. ;-) | |
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Posted: 5/9/2012 2:07:20 AM | I think showing your degree is a good thing as it show you've got a bit of intelligence about you, as well as knuckled down and acheived something. Higher education usually means that you are in a decent job or at the very least, capable of getting one.
And I would add to that, that of course lots of people are able to read and express themselves in an intelligent way, a degree can stand as proof of that tho, and you shouldnt be made to feel bad for working for three/four years and gaining a qualification.
One thing I ve found for me though, is that overall, and yes of course there are exceptions, that since working in a school, where an awful lot have degrees, that I have had conversations where I have just been more comfortable being me, so to speak. I have worked in other places, where more people had not gone onto higher education, and although I got on well with them, I can remember that if a serious topic came up, that often they would laugh or belittle my point of view, it used to be very frustrating, and also made me wonder if I did indeed have some strange ideas!! I think however, a lot of that came about through the fact that differing intelligence, means you see situations differently, and that the people I find more of an affinity with, are in actual fact the sort of friends I would have had at school, as I was in the top sets, and most of my friends went onto Uni when we left. I did it much later as a mature student. So, I think the intelligence box can be a useful indicator in compatibility, but the best one of all, on here and real life, is how we come across, a certain degree (pun intended) of cleverness will soon become apparent over the course of several conversations. My ex by the way, didn t have a degree, and very few school qualifications, but he is a clever man, who was more than a match for my intellect.... | |
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